So Barbarians what pisses you off or just makes you leave when in a squad?

Colum - Raging Tide

Seen few fellow sage barbs/normal barbs die due to switching in human form.

KingClawX - Lost City

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Seen few fellow sage barbs/normal barbs die due to switching in human form.

i like my dd in kity form i lose just a tinie damage diff not something i care for.

only when ur damage is low does sage kitty form actually matters once your damage get bigger it dosent matter much kitty or human.


we all know ppl want barb to be in kitty form lol i yet to hear them tell me i shoudl go human form.

Colum - Raging Tide

Yeah personally I think tank should never go into human form unless they are 100% sure they will stand it alive without healers.

KingClawX - Lost City

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yeah personally I think tank should never go into human form unless they are 100% sure they will stand it alive without healers.

i love dishing damage in kitty form 99% is in kitty form for me pve.


if i have weaker player like say if i was helping 99 frost party in frost or lower then i might go human when there no way the take agro from me anyways and with just bp aline i be healed.

still kitty form is the way to go for tank barb and i have no shame in my raw str damage build.

Colum - Raging Tide

People killing bosses when half squad wipes and they take aggro when you stop hitting to wait the dead people -___-

SilverMayhem - Archosaur

1~ Getting constantly told to HP/atk buff when debuffed as if I had 3k mana or I can't see that buffs have dropped. Honestly, if buffs dropped I do a HP buff you done gain hp back you your Max HP goes up! I'd rather do a Atk buff IF im not in Kitty form!

2~ Getting yelled at for not maintaining aggro over boss from a higher 4+ aps char when the 4+ aps char dies. >.> If you can't tank, and your a sin, use Chill or **** and hope for the best.

3~ No letting me attack for atleast 5 secs to take aggro. Then having to fight for it! >.<*

Most of the time its aggro issues. If theres a BM or Sin that feels the need to tank. I'm going to Devour then switch into human form and start DDing (Demon barb). Not stay in kitty and waste chi on stealing aggro. Countless times where I Invoke into a boss and a sin sparks and starts to tank. If you were going to do that before, say something so I can waste 2 sparks on something needed like Arma when a HF rolls around.

Colum - Raging Tide

Silver, I find no issues to hold aggro against sins unless their weapon is 7+ and/or they're 5 aps. do you have demon flesh realm and what weapon?

Colum - Raging Tide

" Can you come solo pav for us? "

No, I'm a barbarian and not even good geared one.

Alkrivar - Sanctuary

I haven't actually left a squad but, here's what gets me pissed:

1: Squad rushers. I can run as fast as everyone, even faster when in Tiger form + Holy Path every now and then, but other classes such as the Cleric CAN'T. Nobody seems to think about this, and rather than rushing off to hold Aggro for the speedos who are impatient, I'd rather the whole squad be within a close range of each other, even when wined so i can take care of the squishies.

Also its just not fair on the Clerics.

2: Lack of communication. I don't like it at all when there is a serious lack of communication going down. Be it commands to do this like "Tank! do this, do that etc." in one word commands or people not knowing what to do, then someone tells them, then they argue it out or ignore it.

3: Arrogance. it pisses me off in general.

4: When non english speakers join my squad and speak clean english at the beginning, then suddenly switch to dutch or spanish when another of their country joins the squad. I've no problem with multi-lingual people but if you're going to speak spanish and only one out of the entire squad understands a word you're saying, it's a call for an instant squad wipe.

5: Oh and another. When a person goes 'barb buff' when im the MIDDLE of holding a boss's Aggro. Do you really think its a good idea for me to go human when a tough boss is beating me up just to buff you? I think not.

Colum - Raging Tide

Alkrivar - Sanctuary wrote: »

I haven't actually left a squad but, here's what gets me pissed:

1: Squad rushers. I can run as fast as everyone, even faster when in Tiger form + Holy Path every now and then, but other classes such as the Cleric CAN'T. Nobody seems to think about this, and rather than rushing off to hold Aggro for the speedos who are impatient, I'd rather the whole squad be within a close range of each other, even when wined so i can take care of the squishies.

Also its just not fair on the Clerics.

2: Lack of communication. I don't like it at all when there is a serious lack of communication going down. Be it commands to do this like "Tank! do this, do that etc." in one word commands or people not knowing what to do, then someone tells them, then they argue it out or ignore it.

3: Arrogance. it pisses me off in general.

4: When non english speakers join my squad and speak clean english at the beginning, then suddenly switch to dutch or spanish when another of their country joins the squad. I've no problem with multi-lingual people but if you're going to speak spanish and only one out of the entire squad understands a word you're saying, it's a call for an instant squad wipe.

5: Oh and another. When a person goes 'barb buff' when im the MIDDLE of holding a boss's Aggro. Do you really think its a good idea for me to go human when a tough boss is beating me up just to buff you? I think not.

These points right here +1

It is even worse to be in a spanish squad where you are only one who doesn't understand them b:surrender

Alkrivar - Sanctuary

too true.

Its even got to the point that, some blatantly take it as an insult when you ask them to speak english and explain everyone needs to be on the same page and understand each other in a few phoenix valley squads i've been in recently.

So when it comes to me, I prefer to make my own squads these days than join them. Unless its someone I know.

Another annoyance I found I have:

1: How people magically think I have chi to do a pull in the FCC exp room RIGHT after the boss is dead with no chance to recharge. Then they pull attitude and think I don't know what i'm doing when i cave in with no sparks. Bestial Rage, invoke, with no chance to sunder before leading them to the squad.

Also: I do half-half pulls and get yelled at for it, but that's playing it safe when i know the squad is likely to steal aggro.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Alkrivar - Sanctuary wrote: »

So when it comes to me, I prefer to make my own squads these days than join them. Unless its someone I know.

Another annoyance I found I have:

1: How people magically think I have chi to do a pull in the FCC exp room RIGHT after the boss is dead with no chance to recharge. Then they pull attitude and think I don't know what i'm doing when i cave in with no sparks. Bestial Rage, invoke, with no chance to sunder before leading them to the squad.

Also: I do half-half pulls and get yelled at for it, but that's playing it safe when i know the squad is likely to steal aggro.

I go back and forth making my own squads or LF WC squads. Most WC squads are so bad that it becomes an interesting challenge to work with them, adding something new to an instance you've done a hundred times. Other times they can be a giant pain.

1. Always have Cloud Eruption on your barb's genie. Barb's have enough chi reliant skills that it can really **** things up if you need to invoke/sunder, or spam an aggro skill, and don't have chi. Pretty much, there isn't an excuse to not have chi.

If you do find yourself without chi though grab the first 2 groups as you run, Bestial Rage, and loop through them a few times for full sparks. It takes over 60 seconds to run the length of the room and you'll have time for your bestial rage to cd and your hp to recover.

As you hit 90+ you'll find more squads that want you to Devour and not to spam FR (makes bosses move and aoe more as aggro bounces and hurts more than it helps). This'll also help save chi.

2. I... get kind of annoyed with half pulls. I understand its a comfort thing, but if your squad cant handle a full pull they're likely to die on the second half pull after they've used up their sparks from the first half pull. I'm leveling many alts right now and rushing some of them, for instance a sage bm and sage barb for buff hoars since I've played those characters without rushing to 100+ already, so they're undergeared and i'm getting to do FCCs again for the first time in a while. Its much easier for my bm to stun+HF 60 mobs and kill in 6 seconds, then to stun HF 30 mobs, and only stun + aoe the second set of 30 mobs. Same for cooldowns of roar and invoke when doing the second half pulls.

From what I've seen, half pulls really aren't any safer than a full pull. A better use of your time and hypers would be to clear the captains before exp room is started and then do a full pull without the curse effect from captains.

Tiageos - Sanctuary

Alkrivar - Sanctuary wrote: »

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Another annoyance I found I have:

1: How people magically think I have chi to do a pull in the FCC exp room RIGHT after the boss is dead with no chance to recharge. Then they pull attitude and think I don't know what i'm doing when i cave in with no sparks. Bestial Rage, invoke, with no chance to sunder before leading them to the squad.

Also: I do half-half pulls and get yelled at for it, but that's playing it safe when i know the squad is likely to steal aggro.

As Sakubatou said, Cloud Eruption on your genie is priceless, but so is knowing how to play your barb.

When fighting a boss, spam flesh ream to hold aggro, use Devour initially, but sparingly after you've got a hold. Keep Bestial Rage up at all times. (I'm amazed at the number of barbs that have no clue about how to do this.)

When doing the big pull, you should be mostly full on chi. If not, you can quickly get full by using CE on your genie and Master Li's Technique. (If you're not Sage yet, then the latter isn't useable.)
Now doing the full pull, you go out and gather all the mobs. Bestial Rage will help fill your chi bar if you're missing a little while you're doing this.

Now you've got all the mobs, here's how you get aggro....
1. _ Hit Alpha Male on your genie. (If you have bramble on, this is not needed. If there's a veno in the squad you shouldn't be complaining about chi either.)
2. _ Hit Roar
3. _ Hit Invoke
4. _ Hit Devour
5. _ Hit Sunder (Because there is no reason at this point to not have two sparks again.)
6. _ Run mobs back to group
7. _ Assuming that you are using Bestial Rage, and that you've done this properly, when you get to the group you should be able to Devour and Sunder again.

I can do this all day in Delta and hold aggro from most wizards for the duration of the waves. In FCC they don't have a chance of taking aggro from me.

It's also extremely rare that I will run out of chi. If I do, it usually means I stopped paying attention.

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What bugs me....

The fact that everyone in the world expects us to drop what they are doing and help them out because they need a tank, yet when we ask for help with something it is rare that it is returned. That plus the cost of operating a barb properly with little to no reimbursement is the reason I keep quitting and playing other characters.

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide

Tiageos - Sanctuary wrote: »

As Sakubatou said, Cloud Eruption on your genie is priceless, but so is knowing how to play your barb.

When fighting a boss, spam flesh ream to hold aggro, use Devour initially, but sparingly after you've got a hold. Keep Bestial Rage up at all times. (I'm amazed at the number of barbs that have no clue about how to do this.)

When doing the big pull, you should be mostly full on chi. If not, you can quickly get full by using CE on your genie and Master Li's Technique. (If you're not Sage yet, then the latter isn't useable.)
Now doing the full pull, you go out and gather all the mobs. Bestial Rage will help fill your chi bar if you're missing a little while you're doing this.

Now you've got all the mobs, here's how you get aggro....
1. _ Hit Alpha Male on your genie. (If you have bramble on, this is not needed. If there's a veno in the squad you shouldn't be complaining about chi either.)
2. _ Hit Roar
3. _ Hit Invoke
4. _ Hit Devour
5. _ Hit Sunder (Because there is no reason at this point to not have two sparks again.)
6. _ Run mobs back to group
7. _ Assuming that you are using Bestial Rage, and that you've done this properly, when you get to the group you should be able to Devour and Sunder again.

I can do this all day in Delta and hold aggro from most wizards for the duration of the waves. In FCC they don't have a chance of taking aggro from me.

It's also extremely rare that I will run out of chi. If I do, it usually means I stopped paying attention.

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What bugs me....

The fact that everyone in the world expects us to drop what they are doing and help them out because they need a tank, yet when we ask for help with something it is rare that it is returned. That plus the cost of operating a barb properly with little to no reimbursement is the reason I keep quitting and playing other characters.

alpha male is the worst skill for aggro ever. change it. i believe that untamed wrath works a lot better now, since the stun time is increased to 2 seconds (not that much, but can save lifes)

opkossy

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »

alpha male is the worst skill for aggro ever. change it. i believe that untamed wrath works a lot better now, since the stun time is increased to 2 seconds (not that much, but can save lifes)

The alpha male there isn't for aggro so much as for bramble's reflect to help generate aggro since you'd be using roar to override alpha's tiny threat anyways.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

BloodTyrant - Raging Tide wrote: »

alpha male is the worst skill for aggro ever. change it. i believe that untamed wrath works a lot better now, since the stun time is increased to 2 seconds (not that much, but can save lifes)

Agreed, but Tiageos used it correctly and even clarified that its for the bramble effect. Its not needed if you have demon roar, which gives a 100% reflect for 10 seconds. Alpha Male is only 40% reflect for usually 4-10 seconds, bramble is 60-75% reflect, demon Roar is 100%.

But I do agree with you that AM is a horrible aggro skill and really offers nothing more than aggro from reflect damage and prevention from heal aggro. I use AM in four main places. Metal, when I group mobs and am seal locked too much to get a roar off but need aggro before returning to bb. Delta, at the spawn point when mobs spawn around the bb and I want aggro immediately, I'll AM, run and group the mobs up, then roar over the top of it. Whenever I get heal aggro (say I'm starting a pull and the cleric heals in the middle of it), because Roar has melee range its hard to roar at mobs that are running away from you. Alpha Male has a range of 20m so you can AM at mobs that are chasing the cleric without having to be next to them.

The 4th and main reason to use AM is to actually lose aggro. Once you AM all aggro is reset and the next attacks will get aggro. This is great in metal because you can bring a group back to bb and if your DDs can tank the mobs inside a bubble you can AM to give them aggro and go get the next group.

Tigeos, I'd change the invoke and roar order in your series so that you're not standing there for 3 seconds roaring and another second invoking before you get invoke damage reduction. I'd also eliminate Devour, since it only effects 1 mob and your pulls should contain 60 mobs. And if you have demon Sunder then you should add another aoe after so you get two 100% crit aoes.

This did remind me of a thing that annoys me. Cleric's that spam chromatic healing beam for no reason and then get mad when they have heal aggro. You know how often I start a pull and then I get healed because the cleric was CHBing the squad instead of just healing one person. Now the cleric has heal aggro and is mad at me because they weren't more selective with how they healed and weren't paying attention to where their own heals were going.

Colum - Raging Tide

Am I the only barb who has no trouble getting chi even I dont have chi skills on genie or Master Li's Technique? (Demon barb)

Bestial rage helps loads and if you struggle with chi you can always use alacrity/surf impact/frighten between your chi skills.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Am I the only barb who has no trouble getting chi even I dont have chi skills on genie or Master Li's Technique? (Demon barb)

Bestial rage helps loads and if you struggle with chi you can always use alacrity/surf impact/frighten between your chi skills.

I never have chi problems as a demon barb, but it takes planning ahead. In otherwords sometimes you have to go "I better not kill so quick, I need chi" lol.

I'm also an aps barb so... gimme 12 seconds and I can always go from no chi to 3 sparks. Faster with bestial rage on. Faster using cloud eruption. Pretty much I'm always about 6 seconds away from full chi.

And then there is Beast King's Inspiration. 35 chi each cast for yourself, 20 chi for each squadmate. This means 9 seconds for 105 chi for yourself, 15 seconds to pass 5 sparks (1 each) to each squad mate.

Aps, cloud eruption, bestial rage, BKI. Nuff said?

My cleric is demon and can pass sparks with their buffs, and I find its more often sage barbs that need the chi. Their bestial rage lasts longer but delivers chi slower, so if the mobs are dead quickly they don't get as much chi. And the sage chi skill has a 60 second cd and takes them a couple seconds to use so they only use it during breaks.

And I love running with demon barbs who act as chi barbs. Being able to make sure the cleric has enough chi for bb, or the bm has chi for HF makes runs go much smoother. Demon BKI really is more useful than sage in squad, sage is more useful than demon outside of squad >31 minutes. And a good chi barb will communicate with his squad to make sure they have chi for combos to speed things up and make things go smoother. I didn't mean to make this a sage/demon competition but considering how often I hear sage barbs get more chi I thought I should point out its really not true and give my observations as a cleric, veno, demon barb, and sage barb.



Which brings me to another "thing that pisses me off." Two, actually. Cleric's that don't have cloud eruption on their genie and are never ready for pulls. Obviously they can't get chi while in a bb unless someone passes them a spark but a smart cleric will put up bb and then CE to refill their sparks. Leading me to the second one...

People who don't say when they need chi or need a moment to build chi. For instance cleric's who let you pull then when you're sitting there in invoke taking damage and asking "BB?" they respond "don't have enough chi, sorry." Couldn't have told me before I grabbed 50 mobs? Or the BM that says nothing when you ask "everyone ready?" before a boss then when the veno amps, the barb devours, the sin subseas and you ask 'HF?' they respond "didn't have enough chi." omgwtfragequitbbq Just say something and I'll pass you sparks or wait a second for you to build it yourself. Same goes to people with empty genies.

Alkrivar - Sanctuary

Wow. i didn't realise I sparked of a little off-topic there. Sorry.

I think the main thing is, I need more practice since im a newbie to FCC. Still, thanks for all your input all of you. Theres much I can improve on, especially since im now training up my genie for Cloud Eruption. (I never was good at training Genies)

At least I am willing to learn where I go wrong. I usually ask about the pulls, if I see a good squad, I do go for a full. It's just when i see a squad wipe coming (although i generally can tank the mobs for enough time to make the pull) I offer to do two fast pulls half-half. It's a squad-wide vote really.

Anyway, I appreciate you guys.

Which brings me to a new, rare thing that annoyed me today. I don't like it when a squad leader gets too overconfident that he brings NO healer in for a squad. Today I had to salvage a squad where another Barb pulled instead of me, he lost aggro when the seeker was supposed to aoe, but seeker didn't, barb died, so i tried to take over, resulting me chasing after the fleeing sin and getting all the mobs back.

Fortunately it worked in the end. But I got blamed for the failure when all i did was catch the mobs again.

KingClawX - Lost City

there is no need for claws to get tons of chi just need taiming and a good genie with chi eruption and even sage with chi teaching cant go wrong.

where some barb love the crith of demon and going claw i prefer pure str sage path it give me most of bouth ways and its very refreshing.

some even say i look pro cos instead of using claw i can hold agro on most sin bm aps wish is funy as hell.

in the very end one should go for what ur own playstyle is.

take advice from ppl but dont just play it cos ppl told you to experiement and sooner or later u will know where u belong.

even if i myself hate claw build i have to agree i have no right to tell someone how they should play there toons.

KingClawX - Lost City

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I don't know what kind of bms you run with, i have yet to see a barb keep agro r9 or not, str build or not, from g16+10 5 aps bm. Simply because when we do aba boss, we rush in, barb has 2~3 seconds to build agro that is usually 1~2 skills, before aps take over. If things are timed well, no barb/cleric is required for the aba boss. Even when we do lunar, at the first boss i give the barb 10~15 seconds to build agro as i go around killing mobs. When i get back spark, hf agro shifts back to me. This has nothing to do with agro skills. I know barbs are amazing tankers, but if i let barb tanks i would be staring at the boss for 5~10 minutes. I can not use cyclone heel because my aps will over take the damage.

Only yesterday i was doing warsong with friends. Had a r9+12 dot build archer. Who ever attacked the boss first kept agro on the boss. That is how OP g16 claws/fists are for bm. That has nothing to do with barbs, builds, gears. Once barbs start walking around in r9 3rd cast, i will still have agro.

Axe damage for barbs at r9 does out dd the claw damage, but that is if your barb has gotten to that level. Very few people here have "Barb mains" and only play barbs. Most have barb alts and are decent at all their classes.

That is why i think you haven't done aba boss with aps. When we do it, aba boss dies in 2~5 seconds. There is no way a barb can keep agro on the boss for such a short duration. That was not Sakubatou point either btw.[/QUOTE]



if i hold agro vs r9 sin i can hold agro vs g13 g15 g16 on abba and for so lil time period it even much simplier as its the longer the fight goes on wish make it harder normally as aps keep sparking and i cant.
to bad you have not found a barb who can keep agro and most here belive in the illusion of what claws brings.
i used to do abba on abba days liek 13 time with rando mparty from world chatting sadly now i am busy frosting my friend to do it and oh non of them was ever a failure..

a total of 5 non healer abba with just sin bm doing so fast that boss was dead that before couldent buff up.

anyways i dont care if u dont belive me unless u wana make a toon in lost city

my current build http://pwcalc.com/50174bdf1e64991b

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

Alkrivar - Sanctuary wrote: »

1: How people magically think I have chi to do a pull in the FCC exp room RIGHT after the boss is dead with no chance to recharge. Then they pull attitude and think I don't know what i'm doing when i cave in with no sparks. Bestial Rage, invoke, with no chance to sunder before leading them to the squad.

Thats a matter of thinking ahead. I generally try to end every battle full chi if reasonably possible, and i will pay special attention to this when doing an FCC where everyone is using hyper time. I totally agree with people expecting this from you. I do expect it from the seeker as well.

Because not everyone seems to think ahead, i always tell them during the battle so we wont have to discuss this afterwards

HeavenzWrath - Raging Tide

HrunsPanda i dont think you do much tanking if you believe in that and respect the barb field if so. I do not agree with the DD, as for a seeker, hes just hitting ofcorz he should have some chi, if not hes fail. But when their is a sin, not an ordinary but a squishy triple sparking crazy sin in squad or bm that think its cool to take aggro and complain about it after, in squad then yes you will run ur chi. If there is a veno then you are one of the lucky few to get that honor cuz i myself even run chi low on that type of stuff. It all depends on the DD and if you cant agree with that then i find myself thinking u do not fight for aggro and just instead use devour, like most push over barbs do. But me im not a piece of meat here to just buff so i fight for my role in class. Most new gen or even some lazy barbs that have been playing for a bit dont understand that but i do. So yes it is very hard to keep chi at some bosses when finish especially the last boss in FC. I usually stay in pk mode, take my wep off and hit npc lady in tiger form for fast chi (hit faster with wep off in tiger form for those tht are not exp with barbs which i bet mosst of you arent). If a DD has something to say about then they can kiss my fury tail. But i never get an attitude from DD my attitude in squads are to take control and keep my respect and right as a barb, call me an extreme person but barbs are one of those classes that ppl just dont respect enough. For those barbs out there struggling keep the chin up, we didnt fail pwi, pwi failed us!

HrunsPanda - Archosaur

HeavenzWrath - Raging Tide wrote: »

HrunsPanda i dont think you do much tanking if you believe in that and respect the barb field if so. I do not agree with the DD, as for a seeker, hes just hitting ofcorz he should have some chi, if not hes fail. But when their is a sin, not an ordinary but a squishy triple sparking crazy sin in squad or bm that think its cool to take aggro and complain about it after, in squad then yes you will run ur chi. If there is a veno then you are one of the lucky few to get that honor cuz i myself even run chi low on that type of stuff. It all depends on the DD and if you cant agree with that then i find myself thinking u do not fight for aggro and just instead use devour, like most push over barbs do. But me im not a piece of meat here to just buff so i fight for my role in class. Most new gen or even some lazy barbs that have been playing for a bit dont understand that but i do. So yes it is very hard to keep chi at some bosses when finish especially the last boss in FC. I usually stay in pk mode, take my wep off and hit npc lady in tiger form for fast chi (hit faster with wep off in tiger form for those tht are not exp with barbs which i bet mosst of you arent). If a DD has something to say about then they can kiss my fury tail. But i never get an attitude from DD my attitude in squads are to take control and keep my respect and right as a barb, call me an extreme person but barbs are one of those classes that ppl just dont respect enough. For those barbs out there struggling keep the chin up, we didnt fail pwi, pwi failed us!

didnt read it all, but dude, i can solo that boss (and often do after noobs hit hands)

If there is a sin who makes it hard to keep agro, he can have agro, you dont need to always keep agro, espescially not against ***** bosses like this one. Bottom line, i killed that guy with random squats like 100 times and mostly the reactions are about the best barb they ever seen in FC and them wanting to do more runs with me. So believe me, i do know how to play my barb. If you need to keep agro, do whatever it takes. If you dont need, but you easilly can without speeding down the runs, go ahead and keep it. If you dont need to keep it but insist on keeping it while you could make better choises, (like saving chi for a faster run, or keeping the boss 100% of the time devoured while you could not if you keep agro) that imo is a mistake.

MetzliDemon - Harshlands

Hazarduz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Another example of what pisses me off.......

BH Abba, decent squad, cleared to boss. Last couple of mobs just cleared. Only boss left.

I see cleric in the back has already jumped into BB, and everyone seems ready for boss.

Now Im at around 60% HP. Granted I could lure the boss right away and everything *should* be ok, but why risk it? So I run back to BB, wait to charge up to 100%% HP and then run off to grab boss.

Sin, ofc being a sin cant wait and while Im running back to BB has decided to go pull the boss, without saying anything to anyone. He runs off and attacks boss. Im monitoring my HP bar at this time, so by the time I realise what just happened, run to boss and cast ream, sin is already dead.b:bye

Fun so far right? Gets better.....

Now single cleric is already in BB, all itd take to get sin a res is for me to ensure aggro with roar+ream then invoke, cleric drops out of BB, resses him, pops BB back up and we good to go again.

Will he wait for it? NOOOOOOOO! The bugger goes to town. Now the whole party is slowed down (we are essentially a 5 man sqd now), and by the time he comes back the boss is almost dead.

So all in all, did the boss die any faster with all the rushing? Not at all, took a lot longer than it would have had people only learnt the value of patience.

Lol, about that of sins wanting everything made fast, I already noticed when a high lvl sin is soloing some cave, it runs through everything and basically leaves the rest of squad behind if we don't run as fast as it. I'm a 100 sin now, and noticed when I went helping a friend with her fb39 I was pretty slow compared to those sins. Not talking about killing the mobs, but the overusing the speed skills. And also because nowadays low lvls never pick up the coins dropped by mobs ._. Everyone is rich now, it seems I'm the only one that keeps picking the drops xD

MetzliDemon - Harshlands

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

These points right here +1

It is even worse to be in a spanish squad where you are only one who doesn't understand them b:surrender

Already happened to me I was in squad with my portuguese friends and just a non-portuguese person in squad, and I told them to speak english so he can understand too but they kept talking portuguese to me so I just tried to translate everything they said... ._.

Alkrivar - Sanctuary

hmm, quite off topic here, lol

but it is an interesting debate, I suppose its partially my playstyle and the fact i dont have Eruption yet. Also the fact that tanking has been the role I kinda am learning for FCC runs (still learning to play FCC in general) since i've yet to actually run with a fully decent squad or a squad that doesn't have an aps only bm.

but yeah, my complaint was, I know im expected to have chi near the end, so i use god's tea for that, but it needs to cool down too sometimes to get the extra spark, but sometimes it just doesn't work out and i have a tendency to actually keep aggro ping pongs to a lower degree to make it a little easier on the cleric (believe me, FCC seriously is the only instance i've been to yet where the entire squad turns on someone or there are rage-quitters if even minor accidents happen)

Maybe its different for 90-99 range, but im gathering im expected to take the complete tank role. I'm happy with that.

Another thing that annoys me:

In bh 69, when people duel while waiting for a pull or request me to as im waiting to catch nobby or polearm, or when a squishy sin runs off without saying so for the pull im supposed to do, and squad is not ready/ he gets killed at the pull for being too confident.

Seriously, some sins now think sin is the tank class b:chuckle

HeavenzWrath - Raging Tide

Again HrunsPanda, ur the barb all DD's love and enjoy cuz u just become the buffer and devourer all sins love. In a sense in some situations that might be ok but in most i have seen, its not. Me when i am tanking i feel out of place in tiger form just using devour for some1 else to tank. What pisses me off in squads, as this topic of thread is about, is me not being able to do my job as tanking. I dont just move over for sins and all love me. I could care less if sins or any DD love (specifically sins,bms) cuz magic classes could care less. All im saying is, barbs are push overs now cuz of ppl with tht mind set. Sure it get annoying fighting for aggro, but my thought is how can you be in tiger form and not have aggro, just doesnt seem right. But i guess im old fashion and fighting aps is an impposible war to beat. This is a pointless debate of things, but frankly yes i understand if some1 dont have chi at the end of tht boss, and me btw keep aggro vs aps sins and then use npc for chi and i still get yippy yays at the end! If you dont get some at times then thats sad. I say keep to ur class, if not and u want to buff and debuff bosses, play a diff class. Imo barbs should be more like me. I do fast FC runs with keeping aggro vs aps sins/bms so its all to the beholder. In all honesty if ur just there to devour, play a DD class, cuz while a sin/bm is tanking its more like why are u there? To buff? Devour? Barbs are a dead class cuz of mind sets like that. All ur there for are for buffs. Barbs, do ur job!

Sakubatou - Sanctuary

HeavenzWrath - Raging Tide wrote: »

Again HrunsPanda, ur the barb all DD's love and enjoy cuz u just become the buffer and devourer all sins love. In a sense in some situations that might be ok but in most i have seen, its not. Me when i am tanking i feel out of place in tiger form just using devour for some1 else to tank. What pisses me off in squads, as this topic of thread is about, is me not being able to do my job as tanking. I dont just move over for sins and all love me. I could care less if sins or any DD love (specifically sins,bms) cuz magic classes could care less. All im saying is, barbs are push overs now cuz of ppl with tht mind set. Sure it get annoying fighting for aggro, but my thought is how can you be in tiger form and not have aggro, just doesnt seem right. But i guess im old fashion and fighting aps is an impposible war to beat. This is a pointless debate of things, but frankly yes i understand if some1 dont have chi at the end of tht boss, and me btw keep aggro vs aps sins and then use npc for chi and i still get yippy yays at the end! If you dont get some at times then thats sad. I say keep to ur class, if not and u want to buff and debuff bosses, play a diff class. Imo barbs should be more like me. I do fast FC runs with keeping aggro vs aps sins/bms so its all to the beholder. In all honesty if ur just there to devour, play a DD class, cuz while a sin/bm is tanking its more like why are u there? To buff? Devour? Barbs are a dead class cuz of mind sets like that. All ur there for are for buffs. Barbs, do ur job!

Things that annoy me? The I-R-Tank attitude and barbs that would rather inconvenience their squad so they can have aggro than work with their squad for a smooth, successful, faster run.

Perv on squad mates gears, especially your clerics (so you know their heal strength) and your aps dd's so you know how much aggro they'll generate, then ask if they want you to support them or compete for aggro. Most sins want to be able to go all out but they have to slow down and hold back for barbs that insist on fighting for aggro. As a result, there is no Devour (about 30% more damage, paint heals, and 30% faster bosses) and the sins get no heals. Most sins can tank just fine if they get the heals, but barbs want them instead.

I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that only barbs are allowed to tank. Yes, they were designed as tanks, but not as the only class out of 10 that can tank. Cleric's were designed as healers, but I've had successful squads with mystics, wizards, and psys doing the healing.

I think its a level 80 barb thing. Hit level 90 and you'll have more DDs that compete for aggro with you. More importantly, you'll have more dd's that have the gear and refines to tank as well as you. It becomes even more true when you get to 100 and start running into 15k sins, 20k archers, 25k BMs... Heck, my sins been able to tank Metal sins about 6.2k hp where I've seen 20k barbs fail. Who says they can't tank because they aren't barbs? Especially when they're getting 15k hp from bloodpaint heals a second alone. Things they solo without a squad you insist on tanking because you are a barb? Doesn't make sense.

My sin has been killed by a few I-R-Tank idiots. Mostly because I have aggro and they reaggro, causing the boss to aoe and move. Now I have to chase the boss, which means I'm not attacking or getting paints heals. So they do an attack, aoe, move and attack again and I die because of the barb. Other people in the squad suffer too because many barbs will aoe whenever aggro changes, so this aggro ping pong causes aoe spam. Many bosses also have timed special attacks and with the boss moving around and less debuffs the bosses take longer and do their special attacks more and kill more people.

So Yes, I-R-Tank idiot barbs who only know how to spam FR and not how to actually work with a squad, support a squad, or support another person tanking annoy me. Btw, who do you think the other 4 dd's in a squad want tanking: The sin who they can't out dd and can't steal aggro from or the barb who they have to walk on glass around to avoid over aggroing.

Alkrivar - Sanctuary

well. Maybe we should make a thread about this whole Barb roles debate?

I play as a Tank on standard, its like a standard procedure to me in a cave to hold aggro. So i tiger, get the aggro, then let the DD's wipe the mobs. This goes for every instance I play in unless its in a bad squad where people don't know what they're doing or the apsers rush like crazy (really, that annoys me to death when they won't wait for the cleric, meaning i have to rush ahead faster), but otherwise my general tanking playstyle does go well in instances.

However I know and respect other's playstyle. So if someone of another class such as seeker or bm wants to take the tank role. I usually ask, or let them go ahead if they rush in. In response to that, I go aoe DD in humanoid form, which I call DD mode.

This is why im not built purely for tanking, i notice my HP is less than most average barbs my level (its around 12.5k buffed and Tiger form)

So that's what i do, and i put my trust in the BM or seeker, BUT if i see he or she doesnt play well, i always switch back to tiger in preperation to be backup tank and roar when aggro goes out of the window.

This leads to a chaos before i can catch them all, some die once the bm dies, but dont worry i full time tiger in FCC to make sure people have a meat shield.

This is why overconfidence gets me riled. i'm not willing to put my faith in a rushy sin who will stealth to the end or a sin who thinks he can tank all the way through everything. Bloodpaint isnt an instant invincibility skill.

Either way i'll let a BM or Seeker tank if that's what they want and it benefits the squad, if they play bad, I take over when it gets worse.

Also I get annoyed when im told I'm doing things wrong when sometimes I pull different ways, with the end result being the same.

Also once again. People seriously need to stop calling me by my class. I have a name on top of my head ._.

Just say Al. even faster to write.