Can the 6-month TW reset be reversed?

Euthymius - Heavens Tear

Nope. I dont have a clue. b:cute
obviously that would never happen.

Eoria - Harshlands

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

All you r9 +12s that are complaning about not enough competion in TW buy r9 for the rest of us and then you'll get some competition.

The problem wasn't even gear on HL... The problem was that every other guild that could oppose us had some combination of either terrible players/terrible strategy/terrible politics.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

TwinDreams - Harshlands wrote: »

From what I see, the only people who are QQ-ing here are the people from the #1 faction. And the only reason for QQ-ing is because you guys can no longer get 600m every week for dominating the map, or assuming the server actually "woah" over your map domination.

All this bullcrap about having competitive TW or not are just an excuse conveniently used.

you never experienced large scale tw as it seems
you think people rather take the money and have no tw? when its the reason they play this game in the first place? eh....


the only people who really care for tw pay are poor lowbies

when you look at my faction mate, this creepy Heartz guy, he has full rank9+12
i bet he is in for TW pay!
/irony


ive seen a faction fielding 20 people for tw vote in fac chat to crystal bash the opposing faction instead of waiting for their members to get on their alts for tw
to make sure they win.
thats a good example of who is actually going for the payment

thats why i say pwi should remove the rewards entirely. - to support competiton



just jelausy of nothing, just a low amount of coin, lets make it really nothing so this QQ is gone

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What rewards? You obviously missed where I explained TW rewards are not a factor because 10m =/= a big deal anymore, and doesn't even cover charm & pot costs for a full fielding of 80 at 24 Lands.

see above, i know its not a factor, twindreams doesnt


and low-minded people really go for the payment
as i experienced it in that minor faction i thought i enjoyed...

so removing tw pay would surely remove the interest in it for a lot of the supporters of frequent resets ;p
(casual resets to prevent permanent map domination are totally necessary tho, never questioned that)

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

The problem wasn't even gear on HL... The problem was that every other guild that could oppose us had some combination of either terrible players/terrible strategy/terrible politics.

My main is in the #1 faction on RT and when the reset was annouced we asked factions to all attack us the final TW before reset because we wanted to see if we could survive. Only 1 faction did b:surrender

So yeah I understand how some factions can't get their acts together to oppose larger factions.

And while we haven't had a good TW this season yet (we came close 2 times I think, but the other guys had low turn outs so we simply out numbered them) I have alts in the mid range TW faction on our server and have had some good fun in them even if it was a 3 hour def last week b:shocked (which we won)

MiniST - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

God forbid people who like TW join TW factions with other people that like TW. What I can't get over is the fact that most mid-sized factions have about as members as Vindicate does, yet would not be able to pull a full 80, and you tell me that someone who likes TW should go join a faction where most of its members don't like TW. Amp had trouble with numbers throughout my whole stay because most people simply didn't care for TW. That's why we get rolled by LG, or Vind, or Regi, or whatever, because less than a quarter of my faction mates could be assed to show up on any given fight. Even with inferior gear, you would definitely last at least 30min against the strongest factions if you can field 80, and that would have been a decent enough TW experience by my standards, but we didn't have that. Ultimately that's not why I left Amp. It's actually pretty hard to motivate me enough to leave a faction in general.

Does leadership matter? Of course leadership matters. A leader who loves the game and is active in the game is important. A leader that doesn't lose his/her head and can remain patient and calm is important. Why do I say that? Think about why Amp died the 2nd time. The leader came on one morning and cussed at all the officers on vent til they started leaving. Amp lost most of its members in a matter of days. 2 years of building up and recruiting, gone just like that. Come to think of it, doesn't leaders causing significant drops in a faction's TW performance happen all too often? I've seen this in Outlaw and Nefarious before it happened to Amp. I signed on that day and realized that if I wanted TW with more than 10 people, I gotta go somewhere else, somewhere where the leader isn't crazy. Leaders do matter. If you are in a faction with a good leader, that's worth staying for. Bad leaders do not bode well for "TW competition". They can cause factions of any size and strength to empty and lose members and become 5min rolls.

We are talking about competition and what you just said has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nice tangent though, but you leaving amplified had nothing to do with anything. I don't care if you like TW or like people that like TW. All I am saying is that if you are truly looking for competition or competitiveness in TW, you wouldn't bunch up in one faction so that faction would no longer have any competition. Btw, when I say you I don't mean you personally, so don't take it personally and give me personal stories >.> And what does leadership have to do with this? If you like good leadership, good. But it has nothing to do with the least of what I'm talking about.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

The problem wasn't even gear on HL... The problem was that every other guild that could oppose us had some combination of either terrible players/terrible strategy/terrible politics.

LOL this...I've thought for a long time that on any legitimately active server, one faction can only dominate when the something bad happens to the competing factions.

On my server, one competing faction basically has a clique that treats other members like **** and I hear about it on multiple occasions from multiple friends in that faction. This is why they can't get as many members, they call each other fail and not in a joking way.

With R9 so prevalent anyways, it's no longer about having people with good gear, it's about keeping members together. No amount of cash shopping/riches can give you good leaders and officers that can do that.

MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »

We are talking about competition and what you just said has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nice tangent though, but you leaving amplified had nothing to do with anything. I don't care if you like TW or like people that like TW. All I am saying is that if you are truly looking for competition or competitiveness in TW, you wouldn't bunch up in one faction so that faction would no longer have any competition. Btw, when I say you I don't mean you personally, so don't take it personally and give me personal stories >.> And what does leadership have to do with this? If you like good leadership, good. But it has nothing to do with the least of what I'm talking about.

You need to find this connection between wanting competitive TW with not wanting to be in factions where half the members do not want competitive TW. Also, we don't bunch up into one faction, there are 3 powerful factions that can roll any other on the map. Do you understand why one faction can get much stronger than another?

Look at what happened to Regi, with people leaving for Pinnacle and banks getting robbed. LG has also lost a lot of members to drama (some to Vindicate and some not). I gonna state this again:

On any legitimately active server, one faction can only dominate (dominate as in triple defend and such) when the something bad happens to the competing factions.

Even when old Nef dominated the whole map, what do you think happened? Weren't they pretty even with LG? Anni Packs came and a sizable portion of LGs just up and quit so that the balance was tipped. Nef didn't just win by "working together and working hard"...because LG probably worked just as hard...a factor that significantly contributed was Anni Packs.

Does that convince you enough? There's too many players with good gear on Sanct to flock to one faction. Among the several that they flock to, some have just been unfortunate enough to...not keep its strength. You're basically telling everyone to be faction hoppers - hop to the weaker faction so you can have TW. That's exactly what we need, a group of 30-40 players to hop to factions and TW with them until another faction ****s out their britches and this faction is now "too strong." You don't see the logical fallacy with that? No one would take them if they can't keep them unless they're mid-sized casual factions! Hence we're back to square one with alts going to casual facs.

Eoria - Harshlands

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

My main is in the #1 faction on RT and when the reset was annouced we asked factions to all attack us the final TW before reset because we wanted to see if we could survive. Only 1 faction did b:surrender

So yeah I understand how some factions can't get their acts together to oppose larger factions.

And while we haven't had a good TW this season yet (we came close 2 times I think, but the other guys had low turn outs so we simply out numbered them) I have alts in the mid range TW faction on our server and have had some good fun in them even if it was a 3 hour def last week b:shocked (which we won)

lol. Pretty much same here. All the good TWs I've been in so far this reset have either been in CrimsonJr or Cata's alt guild, DEMACIA. Of course, it probably would've helped if all the other guilds we might have had good TWs with didn't decide to start clear on the other side of the map...

Longknife - Harshlands

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

lol. Pretty much same here. All the good TWs I've been in so far this reset have either been in CrimsonJr or Cata's alt guild, DEMACIA. Of course, it probably would've helped if all the other guilds we might have had good TWs with didn't decide to start clear on the other side of the map...

Everyone knows CrimsonJr could steamroll the entire map, but we allow other guilds to exist cause we're so kind. b:cool

Maelael - Heavens Tear

HexOmega - Dreamweaver wrote: »

see above, i know its not a factor, twindreams doesnt


and low-minded people really go for the payment
as i experienced it in that minor faction i thought i enjoyed...

so removing tw pay would surely remove the interest in it for a lot of the supporters of frequent resets ;p
(casual resets to prevent permanent map domination are totally necessary tho, never questioned that)

No what Im saying is...removing it won't make a difference either. And I've actually re-thought the increasing the rewards option - I think it would make people cram into the Biggest faction, and have them make an alt faction to get even more. It may actually make things worse, so really...a completely different reward system would have to be thought up.

Of note, the "Top faction" mount rewards are a complete joke.

MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Of note, the "Top faction" mount rewards are a complete joke.

OMG it's Maelael!

But seriously, I don't get the whole mount rewards, for everything. From giving mounts for charging zen, DQ reward, and now TW.... It's not like the mounts are very special anyway.

As for TW reset. I have to admit that I didn't read the entire thread, but the 6 month window is a good opportunity for factions to kinda keep having a go without letting one particular fact dominate?

Just my opinion tho.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver

MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As for TW reset. I have to admit that I didn't read the entire thread,

Just my opinion tho.

thats about it pretty much


everyone is stating their rock hard opinion and wont move a bit for all those pages

the discussion wont lead to a result anyways, since the decision isnt directly in the forum users powers


its all a point of view thing anyways

and i dont expect anyone to move their point of view either


the people in minor factions lack the experience of how the top faction is like
the people in top factions dont ever wanna go back





edit: as this discussion is leading nowhere anyways imma stop posting in here
in the end i probably only harm the supposedly good image of my faction

knightsdarksoul

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

stuff

but unless Faction A goes belly up faction B has no chance to ever compete 1 v 1, unless they get everyone who used to be in Dead Faction F or the good players from C/D/E.
recruiting the lesser players or what only can be described as roster fillers from C,D,E will not change this.
but you are right the 6month reset doesn't lend itself to motivate players to join to take down the big bad #1 , because well there is no need to . unlike before other factions can TW vs each other regardless of what the #1 does because thankfully they cannot dominate the whole map.
and while we all like to think our own faction is the centre of the universe, it isn't and the game isn't just about the top four or five factions on the server. PWI has made it so TW now isn't just about the top few also, a move which may not be liked by the few is good for the many

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

knightsdarksoul wrote: »

but unless Faction A goes belly up faction B has no chance to ever compete 1 v 1, unless they get everyone who used to be in Dead Faction F or the good players from C/D/E.
recruiting the lesser players or what only can be described as roster fillers from C,D,E will not change this.
but you are right the 6month reset doesn't lend itself to motivate players to join to take down the big bad #1 , because well there is no need to . unlike before other factions can TW vs each other regardless of what the #1 does because thankfully they cannot dominate the whole map.
and while we all like to think our own faction is the centre of the universe, it isn't and the game isn't just about the top four or five factions on the server. PWI has made it so TW now isn't just about the top few also, a move which may not be liked by the few is good for the many

Yes Mr. Spock

Maelael - Heavens Tear

knightsdarksoul wrote: »

Also stuff

Yes, but the point is...are they experiencing the same "TW" or even "Real TW" like the "Top 5" are?

Many seem to think no, some think yes.

Could the ones who want a "Real TW" join a "Real TW" faction?

Sure. But there is that smattering of whys I listed in response to Kritty.

In my view, the 6 month allows more people to go to a TW, but not everyone is getting access to good TW. It's too short for the hardcores, and there is not enough reason for the "low-mid" grade factions to be encouraged to go at it seriously. Hell theres really not a lot of reason for the "high" grade factions either depending on a lot of the circumstances.

I really don't see a whole lot of "Faction Merges" happening anytime soon either, given drama. Too bad the faction alliances can't work for TW.

Regardless this is just a thread, and hardly indicative of what is actually happening. It is just a small, small portion of the populace's experiences who choose to troll here.

knightsdarksoul

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes, but the point is...are they experiencing the same "TW" or even "Real TW" like the "Top 5" are?

a point people miss though is does it matter ? if more people are having fun then PWI has made the right choice, regardless of how the elitist few view things , all because you or I don't view them as " Real Tw " it does not make them not real to those having them.
Little League Baseball isn't as good as Major League but to those taking part it is still " real " and it is still baseball .

Maelael - Heavens Tear

knightsdarksoul wrote: »

a point people miss though is does it matter ? if more people are having fun then PWI has made the right choice, regardless of how the elitist few view things , all because you or I don't view them as " Real Tw " it does not make them not real to those having them.
Little League Baseball isn't as good as Major League but to those taking part it is still " real " and it is still baseball .

You're totally right, I don't think your analogy works though.

It would be like cancelling Major League baseball to get more Little League in.

EDIT: Of course that brings back the old school suggestions of two TW maps...

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Wow.

This thread is still going, and I'm not surprised.

Let's be honest here. Cashshoppers gonna cashshop, it just depends on how much. A lot of people want to be competitive in TW.

But, OP cashshoppers make it UNcompetitive for non-cashshoppers.

THIS is what is called "A ****ING LACK OF BALANCE".

If you want an endless TW cycle with no resets, then the non-cashshopped players get to do NO TW, while one faction basically **** everyone off the map. How the **** is that competitive?

With a reset, at least for a few weeks factions with people in them that don't spend $1500 on R9 and +10'ing it will have a chance to own some land, and possibly keep it for a while.

I do believe the OP just wants to have all the map belong to their own faction, as does anyone arguing against this.

This 6 month reset is a pitiful attempt at bandaiding the problem, which is a total lack of balance.

Balance is the biggest issue this game has, caused by the Devs not giving a flying **** what goes on or how to fix it. They nerfed PVE content by making it so easy to get to 100 in a week, and they never really implemented a good PVP system, other than TW, which is if you look at it, lame as hell.

Knownase - Heavens Tear

Let's answer a simple question first to all.


Why do you TW?

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let's answer a simple question first to all.


Why do you TW?

To have fun, and get better at it, without having to worry about dropping items I WORKED at getting.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wow.

This thread is still going, and I'm not surprised.

Let's be honest here. Cashshoppers gonna cashshop, it just depends on how much. A lot of people want to be competitive in TW.

But, OP cashshoppers make it UNcompetitive for non-cashshoppers.

THIS is what is called "A ****ING LACK OF BALANCE".

If you want an endless TW cycle with no resets, then the non-cashshopped players get to do NO TW, while one faction basically **** everyone off the map. How the **** is that competitive?

With a reset, at least for a few weeks factions with people in them that don't spend $1500 on R9 and +10'ing it will have a chance to own some land, and possibly keep it for a while.

I do believe the OP just wants to have all the map belong to their own faction, as does anyone arguing against this.

This 6 month reset is a pitiful attempt at bandaiding the problem, which is a total lack of balance.

Balance is the biggest issue this game has, caused by the Devs not giving a flying **** what goes on or how to fix it. They nerfed PVE content by making it so easy to get to 100 in a week, and they never really implemented a good PVP system, other than TW, which is if you look at it, lame as hell.

I have to agree. I'm saying this couple days already. Who don't want reset are just selfish CS morons.

ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

When people make statements like this, they're almost always projecting their issues and remedies on others.

Or, it could be that you're just a Jerk. That would explain much of it without resorting to "I'm rubber and you're glue".

Jesus, stone up and admit it for once. If you're still playing the game, then obviously you have something to do that keeps you occupied. If you don't play anymore, then you're trolling just for the sheer entertainment of trying to ruin everyone elses fun.

Quilue - Sanctuary

ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Or, it could be that you're just a Jerk. That would explain much of it without resorting to "I'm rubber and you're glue".

Jesus, stone up and admit it for once. If you're still playing the game, then obviously you have something to do that keeps you occupied. If you don't play anymore, then you're trolling just for the sheer entertainment of trying to ruin everyone elses fun.

You're just trying to silence him because you don't agree with him. How is this ruining anyone's fun? They're forum posts. If everyone agreed with you, the forum would be dead.

ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're just trying to silence him because you don't agree with him. How is this ruining anyone's fun? They're forum posts. If everyone agreed with you, the forum would be dead.

I have no power or desire to *force* anyone to do anything.

I was just attempting to appeal to his sense of self-respect, if anything.

Pointless, I know.

VKnightV - Lost City

let be honest here what would happen if the twers was given a tw armor to wear and tw weapon.

no r9 no aps no i am +12 jsd or whatever TW.


would that change how or what faction would advance in this game.

no unbalance from gear and yes pot and yes charms but all get charm and all get pots.

just when entering tw and it dies when ppl leave like buffs.


would the ppl be less competetive if gear was no factor then or would there really be a big difference.

Quilue - Sanctuary

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

let be honest here what would happen if the twers was given a tw armor to wear and tw weapon.

no r9 no aps no i am +12 jsd or whatever TW.


would that change how or what faction would advance in this game.

no unbalance from gear and yes pot and yes charms but all get charm and all get pots.

just when entering tw and it dies when ppl leave like buffs.


would the ppl be less competetive if gear was no factor then or would there really be a big difference.

What would be the point to getting gear then? What's putting money into the game? The only reason TW exists is because it is a major gold sink. Efforts to improve gear can lead a player to spend thousands of gold in a character's lifetime. Charm use is at least a couple hundred gold spent every long TW.

Go host some charmless NPC gear tournament and have fair fun there. Don't remove a reason for players to spend gold.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »

You didn't suddenly become uber super mega strong after the reset.(I don't know why I'm saying you and not insurr since like you said you don't play,but.) You were slowly recruiting more and gearing up before the reset, and even in the 2-3 wars before the reset we were dying in under an hour.

But I do agree the map should only reset if the entire thing is taken.

I don't know exactly what to say to the first part. Before the reset VF was willing to fight for the land. After, they weren't and a number of people in VF made that clear. I'm not in VF so maybe those people were exaggerating, I have no clue.

ItsAWolf - Archosaur wrote: »

It's kind of ironic as people from top factions have always been saying exactly that to people complaining about not being able to compete on the TW map.

"Join a serious TW faction if you want to have TW fun or gtfo, you have a friend list for your friends"

Yet when it's suggested the other way around it's suddenly laughable.

You do realize your contradiction, right?

Yes, people who want to TW should join a TW specific guild. Someone who does not want to TW shouldn't join a TW specific guild. If you want to farm or PvE, you might be better off in a non-TW faction.

You're calling it ironic that I don't want to join a lesser faction so I can have a competitive TW? I don't want to own 1000 nubs, I want to die 1000 times fighting and stunning the most difficult opponents another faction can put against us.

It's amazing how some people think they are being logical when they're about as far from it as they can get...

Takeva - Heavens Tear wrote: »

....Wow, really? And I thought the whole point of a decent game is being able to find different ways to have fun? You seriously like doing the same stuff everyday? I have friends all in different factions and we TW against each other and still play together. Some of my friends are in factions I don't like but they are still my friends. I find it more fun when we seek each other out just to try to have a 1v1 in TW.

I'm actually hoping one day I can TW against my in-game husbands faction so I can watch him fall to the ground and moles-b:dirty I mean poke at his body and laugh. b:chuckle

But anyway, changing the way you play is what a game is all about. If you don't like that then you should just play solitaire or something.

And before the reset weren't a lot of factions getting "crystal-walked" by the top factions still? What's the difference? Even came to the point where not a lot of people were bidding anymore. That's fun? I'm just seeing QQ about not owning all the lands because you can't get your weekly pay. QQ?

Seriously? The whole point of an MMO is to play it how you want. I shouldn't have to change my playstyle to suit other people or the lack of a player base. That's what everyone here is telling me to do.

So others enjoy playing alt TWs and pwning nubs on their alts. That's great for them. I want high end wars on my main. 6 month reset ruined that for me. No matter how you think I should play, that's my valid opinion backed by observation and reason. I built my char for epic TW. Epic TW is mostly dead.

ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Or, it could be that you're just a Jerk. That would explain much of it without resorting to "I'm rubber and you're glue".

Sure, I'm an a**hole, but I'm usually right. BTW, it's hilarious how you're trying to be self righteous when just a few days ago you were trying to insult my sex life.

Jesus, stone up and admit it for once. If you're still playing the game, then obviously you have something to do that keeps you occupied. If you don't play anymore, then you're trolling just for the sheer entertainment of trying to ruin everyone elses fun.

No, I stopped playing when TW turned into easy-mode, like the rest of this game has. Some people love hypers, frost and having everything handed to them without working for it. This whole new generation of new children has proven that.

And, read my sig. I have over 12k posts on a music forum, about 6k posts on a guitar forum and about 20k posts combined from a few different gun boards. I post in forums. I guess that's too difficult to understand for some people.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have to agree. I'm saying this couple days already. Who don't want reset are just selfish CS morons.

Dude, you're just selfish because you're too horribly geared to compete with any serious TW action. Maybe you should try farming instead of sitting on your fat *** pedo crushing on your newest FL contact.

b:pleased

_RockHard_ - Lost City

meh most players dun even care for tw anymore its all so broken its pretty much pointless they should just take away all rewards from it all together and let it be a free for all pvp zone for players to flex there epeen in thats pretty much all its come down to anyways.

ItsAWolf - Archosaur

You do realize your contradiction, right?

Yes, people who want to TW should join a TW specific guild. Someone who does not want to TW shouldn't join a TW specific guild. If you want to farm or PvE, you might be better off in a non-TW faction.

You're calling it ironic that I don't want to join a lesser faction so I can have a competitive TW? I don't want to own 1000 nubs, I want to die 1000 times fighting and stunning the most difficult opponents another faction can put against us.

It's amazing how some people think they are being logical when they're about as far from it as they can get...

It's ironic that you use the exact same arguments to not change guilds in order to have fun TWs that others used, if you don't see the irony that's fine. I also enjoyed that you have to join a serious tw faction to have fun tws.

No need to get all b:angry

b:chuckle

Michael_Dark - Lost City

ItsAWolf - Archosaur wrote: »

It's ironic that you use the exact same arguments to not change guilds in order to have fun TWs that others used, if you don't see the irony that's fine. I also enjoyed that you have to join a serious tw faction to have fun tws.

No need to get all b:angry

b:chuckle

Not angry, you're just not getting it.

Like I said, I built this char for epic, organized end-game tw. TW is no longer an end-game instance. I don't want to fight nubs, I don't want to leave my faction, nor do I want to play a different char.

That's like taking an Olympic Event, allowing anyone who wants to compete to run and then setting the bar at say, anyone who can run a mile in 10 minutes gets a Gold Medal. That doesn't make the sport more competitive.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Like I said, I built this char for epic, organized end-game tw. TW is no longer an end-game instance. I don't want to fight nubs, I don't want to leave my faction, nor do I want to play a different char.

And what exactly stops you from doing this? When the map resets, the biggest TW factions are among the others grabbing the first lands off the map. Just because you don't control the entire map doesn't mean you can't still attack the other top factions. Ignore the smaller ones if they bother you so much, and concentrate on the big guys.

That is what is happening a lot on HT. We have a variety of factions on the map, but the bigger ones mostly attack each other, the mids attack each other. They both get to have their fun fights.