[Attention] LF > Goon Glitch update from PWE Staff

Tsukyini - Raging Tide

Yamiino - Heavens Tear wrote: »

There is no way someone can get to 105 without glitching.

This statement is completely wrong. I got from 102-103 in just a couple months without a single FC run (that means not going in FC at all). Getting to 104/105 will obviously take longer than the trip between 102-103, but it is completely possible. All it takes is patience and money. b:chuckle

If you were being sarcastic, disregard what I said, lol. I've had a long day and I'm quite tired, so my sarcasm radar might be a bit broken.

MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear

I'm just going to chime in.

I think some are quite misunderstood. What the OP is requesting is not a list of persons A through Z who glitched goons and leveled and what their punishments are. What he is asking is that:

Okay, since PWI said that they are taking action, can the playerbase know if SAID ACTION HAS BEEN ENFORCED and WHAT IS THIS ACTION. Completely different matter.

Obviously they are not going to release a namelist, and I don't think OP is so stupid to ask for something like that. He simply wants to know whether action has been taking and what exactly was said action.

Krypto_Krayz - Sanctuary

I stopped reading about half way through the forum post's.

The fact is the GM's dont care, mods included, and whoever else represents this company besides the player base. They're past the point of caring.

One of my toon's has been here since beta. then next since January of '09, and so an and so forth accross 5 servers. Since then I've seem GM's choose favorites and do everything from charge squads for the privilege of having there friends in squad, to turning a blind eye to .ini edits, and letting such toon's carry them around while spawning multiple WB, or 5 lame dragons with 5Mil HP for whole server to kill to cloud the fact that they cant respond to a ticket accurately or in a timely matter, or show up on server to represent this company in a positive light.

Will anyone be banned? No.


This has already been answered in multiple post's. It's not cost effective. People that glitched obviously paid a good amount to do so. Have any of you ever killed 30 goon's at once? Not with your farmed gear with few exceptions.



Will Frankie respond to this post with anything relevant? No.

He already has somewhere lost in forum Pages long forgotten. It's alot of **** except that he states specifically that they've spent enough money in game that PWI blames itself to not ban them for the glitch. look it up, it's there. Someone will link soon


My point is, although i love reading post from all of you here on the forums, including you especially Tremble, while i remain silent, nothings going to come of this. it's really a waste of your valuable words towards something that will not be changed or officially addressed besides maybe Shelly. Maybe they have a script to post here or another update with the dirty 4 letter word "SOON" to be included, but no Bans, no way for anyone else to catch up in same time period, nothing.

Maybe I'm wrong. maybe ill log on tomorrow and see an answer to this nagging question. Maybe when i come on tomorrow, gold price's will have dropped to 25k (yes, they were once there and actually lower on all server's)

MAYBE when i drop from the air on auto path, i wont rubber band repeatedly till i choose to fly then drop again in a new position in hopes i can land and move.

Maybe....... just maybe......













Don't hold your breath.

Krypto_Krayz - Sanctuary

Spoons.










And if you don't know, you should. Things were addressed.

DannyMint - Dreamweaver

Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:cute
Not shopped.

It is shopped you forgot to take out the word gold the second time nice try tho. b:chuckle
In the ah it only says gold before the amount not before and after

Madijon - Lost City

I demand everyone who glitched caster nv daily for 6 months be banned. ~ as long as we are sounding stupid lets make it real stupid.

Madijon - Lost City

lol @ 30 goons. Hope you dont think that was alot :P.

Olbaze - Sanctuary

DannyMint - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It is shopped you forgot to take out the word gold the second time nice try tho. b:chuckle
In the ah it only says gold before the amount not before and after

Wrong. It does say it both before and after. Here is an example taken from WarrenWolfy's guide because I'm too lazy to buy Gold right now.

Madijon - Lost City

OH OH OH while im raging and demanding justice please ban everyone who solod gv for the last 4 yrs due to an eploit that has always been there but only recently got fixed when idiots started wc for squads for it. *face Palm*

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary

WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »

You must be American highschooler, am I rite? I`m saying this `cause calling China communist country in anything but name is so wrong it`s funny. Oh well, propaganda is supposed to be convincing but you really shouldnt buy it, rofl.

I'm sorry, but are you ****ing STUPID?

China is one of the most communist countries in the world today, and if you can't figure that out, than you must still be a High School student yourself.

Or are you conveniently ignoring the fact that China is supporting a regime in Syria that is actively KILLING it's own people to stay in power? China even calls itself a Communist country, genius, so maybe you should actually learn something before you call someone out, dumb****.

Kerona - Sanctuary

DannyMint - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It is shopped you forgot to take out the word gold the second time nice try tho. b:chuckle
In the ah it only says gold before the amount not before and after

What are you talking about?
Open up the AH and look. I just did lol.
Says Gold twice.

Dpicic - Harshlands

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How do I know if they have been banned? I speak to them on a daily basis on Vent and Skype. But thanks for the concern to the matter, lol.

Dear Sir,

You are sad little person and I feel sorry for you.

Please, for Your sake and Your family sake,

GO GET A LIFE

b:bye

Malei - Sanctuary

Dpicic - Harshlands wrote: »

Dear Sir,

You are sad little person and I feel sorry for you.

Please, for Your sake and Your family sake,

GO GET A LIFE

b:bye

What's a life?

/Principle - Dreamweaver48

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm sorry, but are you ****ing STUPID?

China is one of the most communist countries in the world today, and if you can't figure that out, than you must still be a High School student yourself.

Or are you conveniently ignoring the fact that China is supporting a regime in Syria that is actively KILLING it's own people to stay in power? China even calls itself a Communist country, genius, so maybe you should actually learn something before you call someone out, dumb****.

LOLOLOLO someone doesn't know what communist means. FYI, communist =/= authoritarian.

Xilplxim - Dreamweaver

This still open. LMAO stop b:cry already and go play. Stop being the look at me kid. If you need attention that bad go back to day care. b:bye

Olbaze - Sanctuary

/Principle - Dreamweaver wrote: »

LOLOLOLO someone doesn't know what communist means. FYI, communist =/= authoritarian.

The People's Republic of China, along with Vietnam, North Korea, Laos, and Cuba), is one of the five remaining Communist states in the world.

You were saying?

WnbTank - Archosaur

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm sorry, but are you ****ing STUPID?

China is one of the most communist countries in the world today, and if you can't figure that out, than you must still be a High School student yourself.

Or are you conveniently ignoring the fact that China is supporting a regime in Syria that is actively KILLING it's own people to stay in power? China even calls itself a Communist country, genius, so maybe you should actually learn something before you call someone out, dumb****.

Oh fml and the idiots of these days. I blame the media but that wont really help me with this discussion. To start cleaning the mess resulting from poor education where people dont think for themselves:

1. I could call my *** rosebud but sadly it`s not that in reality. Google Goebbels and propaganda, you should find some decent information regarding propaganda with that search.

2. You mix up dictatorship or oligarchy with Communism. Or one party election system with it, etc. I may be mistaken but imo Marx never supported one party system - Or he may have, I was more focused on the ideals behind communism to remember which actions he suggested to be taken in order to achieve it.

3. Communism has actually never been done as pure communism. Oh there has been communist nations to certain extent but there has always been human greed involved, which is to be expected. But as far as ideal go, few rich ruling over others is pretty much why Communism was even thought of, to oppose that injustice. I have always thought Communism as an beautiful ideal of economical equality but Ive always also found it way too naive for reality.

4. Communism has nothing to do with China supporting Syria`s government. I would call China mostly capitalist country with oligarchy ruling system and it would make sense for them to support other oligarchies or dictatorships so their own citizens wouldnt rise against them after seeing example.

5. I question why I even bother replying to you as you are completely clueless what Communism even stands for.

Edit: Now playing: Green Day - American Idiot.
^^Hate to admit but they hit it spot on.

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm sorry, but are you ****ing STUPID?

China is one of the most communist countries in the world today, and if you can't figure that out, than you must still be a High School student yourself.

Or are you conveniently ignoring the fact that China is supporting a regime in Syria that is actively KILLING it's own people to stay in power? China even calls itself a Communist country, genius, so maybe you should actually learn something before you call someone out, dumb****.

It's really not communism. They can call themselves communists all they want, it's not communism. I implore you to look up the definition of communism, and investigate (not read in a history book or opinion column) what goes on China.

You could take my word for it as I deal with them every day [night] on a business level (weekends too whether I like it or not), but I really suggest self education. Mostly a lot of people - especially the news, politicians - have the wrong definition of communism. Sociologists have a few theories on mainstream & socio-communism in regards to politics that is interesting, though. China does not operate like a Socialist or Communist country/state/community as a whole at all. It's closer to dictator lead capitalism with socialist ideas thrust into it. Interesting country, culture (not in a Kung Fu way), and people really. Lot of good people there too.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear

Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You have to agree though, their "solution" affected everyone, regardless if you glitched or not. The dragoon mobs towards the end of the instance are worthless, when the glitch itself was elsewhere in the instance.

That affected everyone, compare to the players that glitched for 105/insta-Lv.100 alts.

This is what bothers me the most. I stick to the rules no matter how much I am tempted, and then I get punished? Nobody will run a full FF anymore. Being someone that doesn't hyper, when I do run FF I prefer a full run to get the shards and reward box at the end. But you can count that out now, along with any chance to get FF quests done.

The only way to really fix things now is to just return goons to normal exp and let everyone glitch them if they want to.

upsides

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm sorry, but are you ****ing STUPID?

China is one of the most communist countries in the world today, and if you can't figure that out, than you must still be a High School student yourself.

Or are you conveniently ignoring the fact that China is supporting a regime in Syria that is actively KILLING it's own people to stay in power? China even calls itself a Communist country, genius, so maybe you should actually learn something before you call someone out, dumb****.

b:sweat

Maelael - Heavens Tear

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is what bothers me the most. I stick to the rules no matter how much I am tempted, and then I get punished? Nobody will run a full FF anymore. Being someone that doesn't hyper, when I do run FF I prefer a full run to get the shards and reward box at the end. But you can count that out now, along with any chance to get FF quests done.

The only way to really fix things now is to just return goons to normal exp and let everyone glitch them if they want to.

Okay, why on earth would you not hyper? Its cheap as hell and a huge difference in exp. Is this some sorta protest?

Lastly, find some friends. 95-100 I grouped with the same group nightly, we'd run 3-5 FFs, and the last FF we would do a full for the turn in.

_Petal_ - Harshlands

Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is what bothers me the most. I stick to the rules no matter how much I am tempted, and then I get punished? Nobody will run a full FF anymore. Being someone that doesn't hyper, when I do run FF I prefer a full run to get the shards and reward box at the end. But you can count that out now, along with any chance to get FF quests done.

Back to the topic, instead of blindly (and stupidly) blaming the government of whatever country the gaming company's from....

I agree with the first statement, and THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why there are still topics about this subject.

Call it what you want, defend it how you like.

PEOPLE WHO USED THE GLITCH---CHEATED.

They abused a bug in the game: even AFTER it was called a bug, and they were told to NOT use it, they used it anyway. No matter what kind of color you paint a cow, it is still a cow, and no matter what kind of cheating you want to call it--

It was still cheating.

I can name people who have used this glitch in Harshlands right now. I know a good 30 or so people who have for sure, and I'm positive I could point out a few more EG's who magically shot up to 102 before my TWO YEAR OLD Psychic. (In a matter of a few WEEKS, mind you, they hit 102. Like they just went around doing their quests? I *really* don't think so.) There are even some from a faction I know who I have SEEN in GC, asking for people to glitch goons with them. I've been in squads that have suggested it! Every time they agreed to go and glitch goons?

I left squad.
I left the squad because it was against the rules, to abuse a bug.

But now, I'm punished...because I did the right thing? Hell, MY Psychic could be 105! My Psychic could have been one of the first 105's in Harshlands, if *I* had cheated too!

But I didn't. But I'm happy at 100, even if I do get my **** handed by every single R9 that moves on the server. I didn't cheat. My conscious is clear on that much.


I would still call the people who have cheated whom I know, out and have them reset for cheating. It doesn't matter if the rich guy cheated, or the poor guy cheated. It's CHEATING--it's STILL WRONG.


People either need to be banned, or levels need to be reset. Either way, letting cheaters get away with **** like this is wrong. Period.

Kerona - Sanctuary

Getting your **** handed to you by "every r9" has less to do with their level and more to do with the fact that they are R9 and you are not.

On a personal level, as you can see, or could see if forum avatars worked, my Psychic is lvl 102. Since 102 I have spent exactly 0 effort in leveling it past 102. If I had actively tried to level, without cheating, I would probably be maybe 104. Why didn't I goon to 105? Because I'm a lazy lazy laaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy player, not out of some form of protest. Gooning to 105 took a lot of time and effort and money for those who did it. It's not like they simply went "lets glitch!" and were suddenly 105. It took most of them a good squad, hours and hours and hours in FC, and lots of repair cost.

So could you have glitched to 105 if you wanted to? Sure. But it would not have been as easy as you are implying. Yes, those who did it are cheaters. But if you're not actively trying to level anyways, I don't see how it applies to you.

krisnda

Krypto_Krayz - Sanctuary wrote: »

The fact is the GM's dont care, mods included, and whoever else represents this company besides the player base. They're past the point of caring.

We mods are part of the flipping player-base...b:bye

And he knows about the thread, whether or not he decides to comment on it is his decision, not ours. We'll see how it plays out.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

Krisnda wrote: »

We mods are part of the flipping player-base...b:bye

And he knows about the thread, whether or not he decides to comment on it is his decision, not ours. We'll see how it plays out.

I doubt he will

Facts are I know some people who abused it recieved temp bans (or say they have, why they would claim to have been baned falsely is beyond me) and some who abused it didn't

But it has always been my understanding the punishments given out are not discused with anyone but those they were dealt to, i.e. the rule of no discussing bans on the forum

I think the people making these threads will only be happy when they see a list of names of people banned, which is never going to happen.

Grow up, move on, worry about your own play then maybe you'll realize it's just a game and have fun again folks.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »

On a personal level, as you can see, or could see if forum avatars worked, my Psychic is lvl 102. Since 102 I have spent exactly 0 effort in leveling it past 102. If I had actively tried to level, without cheating, I would probably be maybe 104. Why didn't I goon to 105? Because I'm a lazy lazy laaaaaaaaaaaaaaazy player, not out of some form of protest. Gooning to 105 took a lot of time and effort and money for those who did it. It's not like they simply went "lets glitch!" and were suddenly 105. It took most of them a good squad, hours and hours and hours in FC, and lots of repair cost.

Wow some1 who defend behavior against the law. So If I will have sport car and I will go so fast, I will hit child, I can argue, that I spend lot of money for my expensive car, so I have right to go fast?

Principle is the same no matter is it game or RL. If you cheating in game, you will cheat in RL, because it's in your nature and character.

_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver

they said the worst offenders will be banned, they still run around DW.
Way to lie to players GMs! and its not the first time... the GMs of this game cant be trusted...
Thats some very very very bad PR.

I lost my trust in the GMs of this game.
I Dont recomend this game to anyone anymore, and I hope others wont either.

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear

Day 28 of looking for a response from PWE Staff.

frankieraye

We'll have an update on this issue soon; don't worry, it hasn't been forgotten.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide

frankieraye wrote: »

We'll have an update on this issue soon; don't worry, it hasn't been forgotten.

b:victory

Surprise to us all

However I do always hate the soon b:surrender

But I accept that that is all he can say because that is all he is told