So.... who's going to quit over no SP fix?
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RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »I think what would minimize the griefing in SP at least until it's fixed is having active GMs in there keeping an eye on things... why should we have to do their work for them? If they have strict rules against griefing they should enforce them... which they clearly do not do... not even when tickets are submitted.
The problem is the perfect storm of conflicting rules in SP versus the rest of the PvE servers.
I have seen people from PvP servers that are high level on other topics in the forums saying how it's no big deal and there's no reason for the QQing. I think a little lesson needs to be placed here to show why it's kind of a big deal for PvE servers and their players.
Normal PvE Server Settings and Rules:
Blue Name Setting: Safe from PK, you can stand in the middle of a cluster"d"uck of PKers all using AoEs and you won't lose 1 HP even if all the others in White Name die around you.
Rule of PK in PvE servers:
You can engage in more friendly PK in the game by killing others that have willingly gone into White Name status (which is what you need for all other areas in the game with the few exclusions such as current SP, Cube, w/e) and you can fight them. There is no restriction on level, so a level 105 can nuke a 30. However... Griefing is not allowed. Doing so can result in a ban or suspension.
Secret Passage Violation of Normal Game Mechanics:
Blue Name Rule: Standard rule no longer applies. Any attack by any White/Red Name or other Blue Name is now able to maim or outright kill the person being hit.
PK Rule: The Anti-Grief Rule is no longer applicable either since you cannot be in protected mode to get past these people. High levels can come up behind a training/questing/farming character and quick nuke in any corridor in SP. People may get past the main group in the entrance hall, however there can be griefers in any subsequent hallway afterwards and they may camp the hall for any newbie that comes around. Blatant Violation of standard rules.
Look, there's a big reason why there's backlash against this, it's simple actually... High levels are using a low level area as a free-for-all. What the PvE populace wants is to not have forced PvP at low levels. The worry that I can understand is: if they start at SP, what's to stop them from making PvE servers into a more backwards PvP server? Where would it end? We sign up for PvE for Player VS Environment not Player VS Player. Please keep in mind the differences of the server rules and settings and try to understand the reasons why there has been a public backlash.0 -
khethos0001 wrote: »The problem is the perfect storm of conflicting rules in SP versus the rest of the PvE servers.
I have seen people from PvP servers that are high level on other topics in the forums saying how it's no big deal and there's no reason for the QQing. I think a little lesson needs to be placed here to show why it's kind of a big deal for PvE servers and their players.
Normal PvE Server Settings and Rules:
Blue Name Setting: Safe from PK, you can stand in the middle of a cluster"d"uck of PKers all using AoEs and you won't lose 1 HP even if all the others in White Name die around you.
Rule of PK in PvE servers:
You can engage in more friendly PK in the game by killing others that have willingly gone into White Name status (which is what you need for all other areas in the game with the few exclusions such as current SP, Cube, w/e) and you can fight them. There is no restriction on level, so a level 105 can nuke a 30. However... Griefing is not allowed. Doing so can result in a ban or suspension.
Secret Passage Violation of Normal Game Mechanics:
Blue Name Rule: Standard rule no longer applies. Any attack by any White/Red Name or other Blue Name is now able to maim or outright kill the person being hit.
PK Rule: The Anti-Grief Rule is no longer applicable either since you cannot be in protected mode to get past these people. High levels can come up behind a training/questing/farming character and quick nuke in any corridor in SP. People may get past the main group in the entrance hall, however there can be griefers in any subsequent hallway afterwards and they may camp the hall for any newbie that comes around. Blatant Violation of standard rules.
Look, there's a big reason why there's backlash against this, it's simple actually... High levels are using a low level area as a free-for-all. What the PvE populace wants is to not have forced PvP at low levels. The worry that I can understand is: if they start at SP, what's to stop them from making PvE servers into a more backwards PvP server? Where would it end? We sign up for PvE for Player VS Environment not Player VS Player. Please keep in mind the differences of the server rules and settings and try to understand the reasons why there has been a public backlash.
Hell the ones who read this still wouldn't get it. They would be like "wall of text, don't wanna read, QQ moar noob stay out of SP cuz we love ganking the lowbies to enhance our e-peens" At least that's what I've seen out of the people who want to keep SP the way it is. sad0 -
XDracona - Heavens Tear wrote: »Hell the ones who read this still wouldn't get it. They would be like "wall of text, don't wanna read, QQ moar noob stay out of SP cuz we love ganking the lowbies to enhance our e-peens" At least that's what I've seen out of the people who want to keep SP the way it is. sad
Too true...
Mentality of lowbie PKers: "Hurr, must hit n00b, me have shiny sharp thing. Glowy pretty. Easy kill still make Grog look good with Red Name."
/eyeroll
Must be a real boost to self esteem... Until they step outside of SP and hopefully lose their items in an outside fight, unless they stay in safe zone of course. Karma can be a "b:shutup" b:chuckle
Wait... I just had a thought... Doesn't this now make getting Red Name in PvE worthless? Now idiots get Red Name too, not just the actual elites with fighting prowess! OMG PKers! Protect your Red Name 1337ness! You know you don't wanna get lumped in with skill-less morons that make Red Names have more of a bad rap! *Holds up a lure of red meat*0 -
Im at a point where I either quit or play with inferior skills due to not being able to upgrade any farther. I will quit Im sad to say. Im sick of being slaughtered trying to do my culti quests. weather from the main entrance or through the stones. its just not worth the frustration. I dont have an alt I can play until this is fixed, so I dont have a back up. I will find something else to entertain me until gee double 2 hits the market.0
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heck no i'm not going to quit. i never rode a trainwreck before. how exciting.
you folks are fighting the good fight.
HOWEVER, reality IS: as long as the few, the proud, the rich kids who throw many thousands of $ apiece, are the ones having fun in SP, the lowbies(read: NON-PAYING non-factors to PWi's bottom line) wont matter, ever.
Bottom line, y'all need to see a heinously mismanaged business in action for what it is: a heinously mismanaged business in action.
They have conflicted the TOS many times. they change advantage for the player base over time. giving too good of stuff to many and closing the door on most others as the wind blows.
everything is geared for getting more people levelled asap because then you are either done, or better start cash shopping for your stuff you now have to have to keep up.
the last laugh WILL be on the fools who had their money parted from them when PWi pulls the plug on this when it finally hits the wall.
And while this SP **** will go down as inconsequential, look at all the people who are bummed out by the unfairness and direct contradiction to what PWi originally set up.
well, they are pulling this **** on many fronts, and they WILL eventually alienate enough people and the rich bought it all peeps will get bored = all dressed up and nowhere to go.
Im here for the ride because no business once ratted out would survive doing this **** in any of my industries that i worked in. once i saw what was going on 8-9 months ago, i decided, this trainwreck wont get another penny from me.
The only way to spank these windowlickers is in the wallet. they have filtered out rich people who dont care, from the world population to invest in the game. until those people get bored or PO'd none of this QQing in these forums will matter.
none of you know what the USA EMPLOYEES are really told to to do, say, not do, not say.
NONE OF YOU. you cant assume anything, including that the USA staff really is fighting. all that needs to be done is sling some lip service saying it's being taken care of. good enough
also this player base is a lot of kids and students. these people are not real experienced in life. this is a much easier to manipulate demographic than a bunch of wily old business sharks.
i am really REALLY curious as to:
a) how long they can keep this thing rolling. (the longer they do, the stupider they make everyone else look and they are winning heh)
b)what are they going to do next that is off the hook **** and will alienate another group of players YET keep selling more zen
c) how hard the owners are laughing all the way to the bank
so ya, i'm in for the duration0 -
frankieraye wrote: »SP fix is just the tip of the iceberg. This update actually has a ton of new stuff that a lot of you will enjoy, including pretty cool content for the PWI veterans out there. High level players especially will be very happy with it.
It's in its final testing phase, and we'll be doing a full-fledged preview very soon, along with a formal announcement of the official release date.
Are we going to get Paradise Village? or whatever it's called here.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
playing Faction Wars Again.0 -
they will probably sell the fix in the boutique...
wtb sp safety stone 50 gold... b:chuckle0 -
frankieraye wrote: »SP fix is just the tip of the iceberg. This update actually has a ton of new stuff that a lot of you will enjoy, including pretty cool content for the PWI veterans out there. High level players especially will be very happy with it.
It's in its final testing phase, and we'll be doing a full-fledged preview very soon, along with a formal announcement of the official release date.
Sounds nice and all that high levels will get something "they will be happy with" but you guys need to do something for low levels, there is virtually no new players coming to this game anymore. If I had to start here from scratch I'd probably quit because of the crazy prices and so on. Just something to keep in mind.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
**** Laws of Physics I'm going to shoot crystals from my hands and summon meteors from the air.... Laws of Psychics0 -
@ khethos0001: Very well said... and in a way that would be understandable to all who are for or against this. But yes unfortunately, those for this SP nonsense will probably not read it. They're too busy stroking their epeens by one shotting level 30s in SP at this very moment lol...
Though I thought the official rule from Frankie and the PWE team was that griefing was still bannable even though general pk is allowed in SP right now? Maybe I read wrong.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »@ khethos0001: Very well said... and in a way that would be understandable to all who are for or against this. But yes unfortunately, those for this SP nonsense will probably not read it. They're too busy stroking their epeens by one shotting level 30s in SP at this very moment lol...
Though I thought the official rule from Frankie and the PWE team was that griefing was still bannable even though general pk is allowed in SP right now? Maybe I read wrong.
I'm for the idea of the SP thing, just not the location of it. I love to be able to go there when I want and not have to worry about safety lock or guardian scrolls. I'll admit I PK there often but, not to the extent where im killing level 30's that are questing actually I squad with them and kill the mobs so they can leave quicker. Yes unfortunately I have aoed in a fight and killed some low levels but common courtesy kicks in and I PM them saying sorry and seeing if they need help in there with something. Then again not everyone goes to the trouble of doing those things.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
**** Laws of Physics I'm going to shoot crystals from my hands and summon meteors from the air.... Laws of Psychics0 -
The__Sun - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'm for the idea of the SP thing, just not the location of it. I love to be able to go there when I want and not have to worry about safety lock or guardian scrolls. I'll admit I PK there often but, not to the extent where im killing level 30's that are questing actually I squad with them and kill the mobs so they can leave quicker. Yes unfortunately I have aoed in a fight and killed some low levels but common courtesy kicks in and I PM them saying sorry and seeing if they need help in there with something. Then again not everyone goes to the trouble of doing those things.
Yeah, I wish there were more who were like you here on HT. We have a lot of trouble with big factions (one in particular) that tend to love griefing low levels.
I too like the idea behind the pvp enabled SP I admit, I just don't like the location either. It interferes too much with low levels trying to quest and encourages some types of people to go about killing everyone high level or low.
Though honestly I think those trying to get through for the Silver Frost boss should be left alone too, they're not there to pk. I guess I'm just too courteous for the common attitude on this server, I don't know.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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At least from what I noticed the people who hang out in SP in Dreamweaver are generally good about not killing the low levels, I have even seen people kill the ones that are going around killing low levels. Not sure about all the other servers though, obviously this probably isnt the case due to all the complaints :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
**** Laws of Physics I'm going to shoot crystals from my hands and summon meteors from the air.... Laws of Psychics0 -
The__Sun wrote:I'm for the idea of the SP thing, just not the location of it. I love to be able to go there when I want and not have to worry about safety lock or guardian scrolls. I'll admit I PK there often but, not to the extent where im killing level 30's that are questing actually I squad with them and kill the mobs so they can leave quicker. Yes unfortunately I have aoed in a fight and killed some low levels but common courtesy kicks in and I PM them saying sorry and seeing if they need help in there with something. Then again not everyone goes to the trouble of doing those things.
While I can see the want for PK without penalties, the way the game was designed was to have penalties for PKing, it keeps the PKers on their toes so they don't lose their gear. If you get Red Name status but do not have a penalty, what is to stop someone from griefing in an area and keeping others from having more varied fights? Makes it boring quick doesn't it?
If you think about it, there's a reason the rich or CS users do PK, it's the rich player's sport. Either you splurge on HPMP Charms/Binding Charms/Guardians, or you at least Binding Charm/Safe Extension to put your valuables away as you PK. There is supposed to be a penalty for winning PK. It's a limit to put in perspective "hey, if I do this, there will be consequences" it will keep PKers from being out in the field 24/7 taking out all lower level players. It will also make sure that a griefer can get his **** kicked by a mob of unhappy people and keep PK interesting since his gear is on the line. Do unto others as you want others to do unto you. Be an **** and kill some people over and over, others will kill you over and over... Unless you hide in SZ cowering like a baby because you got Red Name status.
Example of a penalty free area: Let's say Arena got redone and there's a new field, it's huge and you can have thousands of people squished in there and still have ample room to fight and run around like a nut. You have one spawn area as usual with it's own SZ protection. What's to stop a guild from having their members make a full squad with DD/Tanks/Support with full R9 +'ed gear standing at the entrance or nearby to take out all people that step outside SZ. What if they have multiple squads out there? Are you willing to keep respawning with no real way to get past them? Will you exit the Arena map in disgust if other people are not willing to squad up and try to nuke them party VS party? You know this scenario would happen. What do you think of it? There are drawbacks to not having penalties.0 -
khethos0001 wrote: »While I can see the want for PK without penalties, the way the game was designed was to have penalties for PKing, it keeps the PKers on their toes so they don't lose their gear. If you get Red Name status but do not have a penalty, what is to stop someone from griefing in an area and keeping others from having more varied fights? Makes it boring quick doesn't it?
this if that was true tho they wouldnt have done that with safety lock you cant drop stuff. Rarely ppl drop stuff now cuz they all use it0 -
RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »@ khethos0001: Very well said... and in a way that would be understandable to all who are for or against this. But yes unfortunately, those for this SP nonsense will probably not read it. They're too busy stroking their epeens by one shotting level 30s in SP at this very moment lol...
Though I thought the official rule from Frankie and the PWE team was that griefing was still bannable even though general pk is allowed in SP right now? Maybe I read wrong.
That would be good IF they spent any time in game IN SP. Its getting real old hearing comments made with no follow up. At this point playing a crappy game with actual support would be a step above the constant lies here.0 -
Broederjr - Lost City wrote: »this if that was true tho they wouldnt have done that with safety lock you cant drop stuff. Rarely ppl drop stuff now cuz they all use it
If I understand you right... Safety Lock I don't think protects you from dropping your "phat loot" if you get counter nuked as a Red Name. That's what CS Guardian Scrolls are for. Why make a moneymaking item in PWE's eyes obsolete?0 -
khethos0001 wrote: »If I understand you right... Safety Lock I don't think protects you from dropping your "phat loot" if you get counter nuked as a Red Name. That's what CS Guardian Scrolls are for. Why make a moneymaking item in PWE's eyes obsolete?
yes, it prevents your gear from dropping. It does not prevent your gear from shattering though.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
LOL @ all the SPPK whining yet only 1 in 5 players will actually quit over it.
So you're willing to whinge but you'll still play. So, no matter what your opinions are, PWE loves you because you'll still pay and play. lmao
GG
b:byeI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »LOL @ all the SPPK whining yet only 1 in 5 players will actually quit over it.
So you're willing to whinge but you'll still play. So, no matter what your opinions are, PWE loves you because you'll still pay and play. lmao
GG
b:bye
And we LOVE when you give a BOOST to the complaint.0 -
And we LOVE when you give a BOOST to the complaint.
You mean the free bump (even though I'm trolling)?
SP has always been a PK zone... and no matter how bad it is now it couldn't be worse than it was in 2009 when there were a lot more people playing the game. Then again, I'm on a PvP server and getting my *** handed to me by high levels PKing noobs was actually part of the fun... I mean, what is better than getting rpk'd in the middle of boring repetitive questing? All the memories of evading PKers when trying to do quests in SP or trying to pick up and turn in quests on Heaven's Tear without being killed, or actually fighting back and sometimes putting up a battle against higher level players? Seriously, without that aspect of the game, I wouldn't have played as long as I had. Without any threat you might as well just bot through the whole game.... oh wait, people don't do that anymore, you can just buy heads. lolI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »I'm on a PvP server
Troll or not:
Thank you, your points are now invalid. You chose to sign up for a PvP server which is a completely different set of rules. Kindly move on to another topic.
We are talking about PvE servers that do not allow Blue Name killing in the rules of the server, so we would be free to play the game without b:shutup for brains skill-less PKers messing up our free time by getting their jollies killing much lower level players with no penalty whatsoever.
To better understand why the PvE community is pissed about this issue, read this please:
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im staying, but ive certainly played far less. i have alts who are needing the SP quests, and im overall completely disgusted with how this company has treated us.
the only reason i play at all is to keep my place in a guild i value very much, and dont want to leave/ be asked to leave and so lose old friends. otherwise, i would be playing PC or Nintendo games, or looking around at pservers of other games. you are so right- this is the best game out there, and impossible to really replace.Tallain_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »With the lack of maintenence again and the promised fix to SP BY TONIGHT straight from the horse's mouth..... who's going to another game? If so there any that actually play this well? (even with thall the bugs this has).... cause i've yet to find another F2P game this good. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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