Wtf is a full attack cleric?

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:cry OMG my hubby was already a tranny BM and now he turned into a veno ???

Actually, i think it's pointless to try to explain anything to you, you have clearly no clue what you're talking about .

lvl104, interesting...

You have no real indication to what i know and don't know, so making assumptions in that nature is considered an insult.

Clearly i know enough to keep away the people with hard evidence to go against my claims.

The two main people here are as followed:

A) Refuse to believe a cleric can be anything besides a heal/buff/res bot. (If we can kill you, your belief obviously isnt true)

Say that a cleric can not do somthing as well as other classes. (That may be true but are we good enough to get the job done? Yes, Thats all anyone really asks for.)

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

You obviously have no clue what classes you need in tw. I said clerics can be scary but not useful in tw as a metal mage. Psy's can do twice as much as what a cleric can do in tw, why do you think clerics follow a R9 psy? A R9 psy with a cleric on them is almost impossible to kill assuming that cleric knows what he/she is doing. Oh look a bm hf'ed and purged our dear psy, np np np ill purify it then buff it and ih it again, 3rd ih is off and the dear little fishy is back to full health. Oh look her 1.5sec of aoe stun just killed 20 people, oh look dd cleric is still charging up his tempest, oh there goes another 1 sec cast of our dear psy's aoe, too late dd cleric the psy killed everything while you were charging tempest.

As a sage cleric i spark when im in a pinch to save myself time. Sage magic shell gives 20% channeling so i could always use that to increase the speed of SoR to heal my kitten.

I know how you feel about dd-ing i use to be a dd cleric in tw too, however the day i decided to actually heal in tw, my squad went from dying every 2 min to dying every 5min or more. I was in a smaller faction back then.

I have Tw's 3am in the mornings, i don't wanna waste time while tryna be something im not and wont ever be. At that time i need tw to finish fast so i can go back to sleep. Face reality my dear. Tw has no need for DD clerics.

Kanmi - Sanctuary

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You have no real indication to what i know and don't know, so making assumptions in that nature is considered an insult.

Clearly i know enough to keep away the people with hard evidence to go against my claims.

You bring no evidence that's the thing... no really, you don't even seem to know, what kiting is... Lol
The only things you say, is how you drop 3 sins, 1 barb 45k HP, even said "I wonder if i could get a cleric dedicated to healing me, that would be fun." (Oh my ***, do you really need a cleric to heal you ??? You're cleric buddy... self healing enough said b:laugh)
So yes, i don't see your hard evidence anywhere here .

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

You bring no evidence that's the thing... no really, you don't even seem to know, what kiting is... Lol
The only things you say, is how you drop 3 sins, 1 barb 45k HP, even said "I wonder if i could get a cleric dedicated to healing me, that would be fun." (Oh my ***, do you really need a cleric to heal you ??? You're cleric buddy... self healing enough said b:laugh)
So yes, i don't see your hard evidence anywhere here .

Not to mention that i provided quite a lot of evidence to why clerics will never match up to other arcane DD's to him

Kanmi - Sanctuary

b:surrender i know right

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

You bring no evidence that's the thing... no really, you don't even seem to know, what kiting is... Lol
The only things you say, is how you drop 3 sins, 1 barb 45k HP, even said "I wonder if i could get a cleric dedicated to healing me, that would be fun." (Oh my ***, do you really need a cleric to heal you ??? You're cleric buddy... self healing enough said b:laugh)
So yes, i don't see your hard evidence anywhere here .

If im busy healing myself i cant find the time to DD now can i? Don't insult my intelligent with your assumptions. I don't need hard evidence because I'm saying clerics can be good enough to DD effectively, that requires no evidence because you see it all the time with op weapon wearing clerics.

Your however pointing out that clerics are not as powerful as a psy or wiz (And i never said they were) or can't kill a high hp barb (That actually requires you to prove it so) or what have you.

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not to mention that i provided quite a lot of evidence to why clerics will never match up to other arcane DD's to him

I don't wanna match up to 50k crit hitting arcane DDs, i just wanna hit my tiny 20k crits and seal the deal in a fight. Fight to win not fight to impress, its war after all.

Edit: Also, How can you point out a psy surviving half a faction worth of players AND kill them all with their fast aoes? Voodoo can only do 1 of two things, let them survive while weakening them, or let them pwn everyone while making them easier to kill. A fully geared cleric doing the exactly same thing as a psy would more or less be the same no? No damage gimp from a voodoo but plenty of damage reducing skills at our disposal. Bramble for example (Since it does work in TW) would have the same effect as SoV.

Kanmi - Sanctuary

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If im busy healing myself i cant find the time to DD now can i? Don't insult my intelligent with your assumptions. I don't need hard evidence because I'm saying clerics can be good enough to DD effectively, that requires no evidence because you see it all the time with op weapon wearing clerics.

You just prove our point... DD cleric CAN'T even heal themselves . So tell me how in the world could they keep a squad alive again ? Oh ya, Demon spark, Demon Thunder... i'll dropped your HP to 0 . I won't even bother explain to you, how simple it is to kite your demon spark but ya... you didn't know a barb could kite so why even bothering...

And no, i could show you plenty of video, where you see DD cleric with OP R9 weapon, dropping like flies . Why ? cause you said it... if you heal you can't find time to DD, and vice versa . Some don't even find time to rebuff themselves or only spirit gift and have no clue what plume shell is .

b:laugh DD cleric can't even be multi task . DD or heal ? Sorry but can't do both . That's why there are called metal mage .

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

If im busy healing myself i cant find the time to DD now can i? Don't insult my intelligent with your assumptions. I don't need hard evidence because I'm saying clerics can be good enough to DD effectively, that requires no evidence because you see it all the time with op weapon wearing clerics.

Your however pointing out that clerics are not as powerful as a psy or wiz (And i never said they were) or can't kill a high hp barb (That actually requires you to prove it so) or what have you.



I don't wanna match up to 50k crit hitting arcane DDs, i just wanna hit my tiny 20k crits and seal the deal in a fight. Fight to win not fight to impress, its war after all.

Edit: Also, How can you point out a psy surviving half a faction worth of players AND kill them all with their fast aoes? Voodoo can only do 1 of two things, let them survive while weakening them, or let them pwn everyone while making them easier to kill. A fully geared cleric doing the exactly same thing as a psy would more or less be the same no? No damage gimp from a voodoo but plenty of damage reducing skills at our disposal. Bramble for example (Since it does work in TW) would have the same effect as SoV.

Do you even have a clue what a psychic is? Did you even look at the builds i provided you? Did you not see the psy had more attack lvls than the cleric? Did you not see that the psy had ONLY 3 def lvls less than the cleric in BLACK voodoo? Did you not see that i compensated those 3 defense lvls with a physical ring? Soul of Retaliation, use to one shot me when i attacked a psy that had full R9 thats using this buff. Soul of retaliation =/= Soul of Vengance. Did you know that if you heal a psy with soul of Retaliation (in pk) they will deal damage to you? A Full R9 psy can kill alot of people on their first aoe, duh 118 (with jones) attack lvls. Not to mention some people die of soul of retaliation when they hit a psy. Psy's can deal constant damage without doing anything.
bramble =/= Soul of Vengance Bramble works only for physical lol.
A psychic's aoes can stun, cause bleed damage, they have a stun buff, a hp charm cooldown buff, voodoo's, Soulburn which can cause aps chars to kill themselves.

A cleric has what 3 shields? Plume shell which is useful till your mp runs out after you charm ticked. WoP which can only take so much damage, and guardian light which only lasts 10 seconds. "oh but i can kill the attacker before shields run out" Yes you could if he was squishy. But what if he isnt? Your first attack cancels sleep.

Psy switches to white voodoo, boom puts soul burn and soul of retaliation on, oh look the fish just killed himself.

Play a psychic before you come to me with these points. I have a lvl 86 psy and i sure as hell can recognize that they already beat a cleric with dd skills as well as survival. Clerics is a squishy class get use to it instead of making excuses for us. I have 11k Hp buffed for crying out loud and i still get 2 shotted by a R9 archer. And im 8k pdef buffed.

As for your "i pwn sins" yeah ive seen you in action, haven't had the pleasure to see you kill a sin once, normally they just aps you to death.

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

You just prove our point... DD cleric CAN'T even heal themselves . So tell me how in the world could they keep a squad alive again ? Oh ya, Demon spark, Demon Thunder... i'll dropped your HP to 0 . I won't even bother explain to you, how simple it is to kite your demon spark but ya... you didn't know a barb could kite so why even bothering...

And no, i could show you plenty of video, where you see DD cleric with OP R9 weapon, dropping like flies . Why ? cause you said it... if you heal you can't find time to DD, and vice versa . Some don't even find time to rebuff themselves or only spirit gift and have no clue what plume shell is .

b:laugh DD cleric can't even be multi task . DD or heal ? Sorry but can't do both . That's why there are called metal mage .

I love youb:kiss

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

To Kanmi, are you seriously gonna talk about how fail some clerics are with their class? Thats not proving anything except how bad a person can be at being a cleric, nothing to do with what clerics are capable of. Btw, I don't see the other classes (Many with their own heals as well) having time to heal themselves as well, they have dedicated clerics that take care of that for them. So please go away with your rambling that proves no point.

To Mitachi, Yes i viewed both builds, and the first thing i did was click on the voodoo that ups the def levels. What i saw? -32 attack levels. Please don't say a psy can switch all willy nilly like each voodoo don't come with a downside. A person may kill themself trying to 1 shot a psy but i can assure you that if the psy is wearing the def level voodoo that psy aint gonna be killing anyone with such low damage. And i've aready pointed out the ways a person can bypass both SoV and Soulburn when trying to attack a psy. Now go away the both of you, its clear that this argument is not gonna end with me giving in or giving up.

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it haven't happened. Why just today i took care of an annoying sin who wouldn't leave me alone. Did i die a lot? yes, did she die a lot also? Yes. Do your phy def and hp represent the other builds of clerics? no.

Edit: For the record, unless a psy one shots a cleric, and i'm not sure how likely that is to be honest, a cleric using IH once, just once i repeat just once, would lower the hp they lose by half, why? Because a R9+12 weapon powered IH recovers 2-3k hp every 1.5 seconds with just 1 cast. Thats 2-3k less damage done to them overall. Aps and one shots (Two shots if using super fast skills) being the only things capable of bypassing heals cause of its pure speed is the only real def against heals. (Or soulburn, if you wanna get all technical)

Kanmi - Sanctuary

Are we talking about built right now ? I can brag my gears but tbh, i don't see the point .
Yes everyone can use ToP if you want too, still not as effective or any close to any cleric heal . Oh ya, they have purify, right ? And magic/physical def buff too right ?
And they are actually DD, that's the part you're still missing (except mystic who can't find there place between both) .

And once again, DD cleric "so called metal mage" are not cleric . Anyone who can't find time to heal, definatly picked the wrong toon .

Kanmi - Sanctuary

Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I love youb:kiss

b:shy

Mitachi - Dreamweaver

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

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Do you even read what i say?
A Psy full jaded +12 r9 psy wont need to go to white voodoo(defense voodoo). The builds i showed you the psy was in black voodoo(ATTACK VOODOO). IH can't save you from a one shot ijs. If you ever pk'd a full +12 r9 at all you'd see how strong Soul of Retaliation actually is. I said i one shotted myself a few months ago when i had average gear. Notice the word HAD.

Only a noob psy would wear white voodoo with soul of retaliation on. Im not talking about soul of vengance geez, soul of retaliation is not soul of vengance.

Your telling us to go away just cause we've explained a harsh reality to you? lol.

Sorry but skilled and well geared sins can drop clerics in seconds. A psy can atleast make the sin kill him/herself first.

You said when you heal yourself you cant find the time to DD correct? So why even try to dd then if thats the case? Really you contradict your words with new stories every time.

Im a person that plays a class if i truly wanna understand that class. I played a psy, i understand a psy more or less. Go play a psy before you spout anymore nonsense then come back here

R9 psy > R9 cleric
It's how pwi is
Get use to it.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Mr. Dont-know-PSY -VS- The Level Glitch Abusers

interesting...

Kanmi - Sanctuary

b:cute

Bored again right ?

Mekkhala - Lost City

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I never pretended, my last post just said clerics arent the best, but good enough. Barbs kite? I dont remember this being common, and 1v1? I have already won against a 45k R9 barb. with heals, i would problably not be able to kill him, neither can you so hush. (I wonder if i could get a cleric dedicated to healing me, that would be fun.)

There are on average 30-60 players in a TW, plenty of room for a rouge Cleric to do what he wants since the cap is like 80. Yes im pulling these numbers out my *** cause I havnt confirmed in awhile.

You think TW factions have rouge eps running around during a TW.

I just lost all ability to take you seriously. b:laugh

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »

You think TW factions have rouge eps running around during a TW.

I just lost all ability to take you seriously. b:laugh

There are some rules that you shouldn't go into TW without a squad in many factions true. However a faction does not have the power to prevent anyone from entering said TW if they feel like it.

That being said, sometimes things are hectic, players get switched into new squads and we little elves are sometimes given the option to do what we want. For example i entered TW on my own free will without a squad, i then proceeded to be a buff and heal bot for everyone that died, and boy did they die... After I got bored with that I went off to randomly DD people, i ended up alone in a 4v1 gank, after some careful handling of AD and plumeshell (This is all while flying so i have the advantage of mobility against sins) I managed to make it back to the base where a squad was eagerly waiting to take them out.

Did ya know that if you add any type of reduce phy damage apoths to plumeshell it makes it nearly impossible to break? Its pretty cool. I laugh at the fact that you would insult me with your assumption that every TW is exactly the same with no X factors. Tsk tsk tsk

Prophete - Dreamweaver

Futurelord, honestly, there's NO WAY a cleric can be useful IN TW if he thinks his primary role is to DD.
If you want to be agressive in TW, then seal/debuff: it helps a lot more than dealing medium-low damages...
Deal with it, any DD class is better than a cleric at DDing for a good reason...

I love to DD, every time I do a BH with another cleric in squad, I ask him if I can just DD and he takes care of healing; but in TW, omg, how can you even think about DDing lol. There are already too many people who needs help, including me.

PK is another story, and cleric can be deadly of course.
But using Tempest in TW is like signing your death warrant: "Hey Archers, I'm here!"

Futurelord - Dreamweaver

Prophete - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Futurelord, honestly, there's NO WAY a cleric can be useful IN TW if he thinks his primary role is to DD.
If you want to be agressive in TW, then seal/debuff: it helps a lot more than dealing medium-low damages...
Deal with it, any DD class is better than a cleric at DDing for a good reason...

I love to DD, every time I do a BH with another cleric in squad, I ask him if I can just DD and he takes care of healing; but in TW, omg, how can you even think about DDing lol. There are already too many people who needs help, including me.

PK is another story, and cleric can be deadly of course.
But using Tempest in TW is like signing your death warrant: "Hey Archers, I'm here!"

Who said they think it? I sure didnt. I said they CAN DD not that they think its their job.

Also, the entire point point in the previous posts were to prove that clerics do more then "medium-low damages"

Lastly, since i got fried chicken and want to eat it now, using any long channeling aoe is considered bad, that includes wizards who dont use that instant channeling skill. Does that mean it will never go off? Of course not. There are several ways to ensure your nuke is not canceled, the main one being any sort of anti stun/seal/sleep. (For the record i'm demon, therefor my tempest has a 25% chance to seal targets, thats not noting the very high chance it has to slow targets, that in and of itself sounds nice, tho my demon siren kiss is pretty damn sweet as well)

This is my last statement on this thread. (To everyone in general)

Edit: (You honestly think a faction will kick a cleric for DDing in TW? or anybody for that matter? If there is room for people to enter after it starts then obviously that faction should want every hand it can get. Especially if that person is one of the factions best (not strongest) players. Don't know what kinda faction your in but if they are that eager to kick people for reasons like that I wouldn't like them. Also, I'm not even close to +12 and I only have the leg+boots, I speak from the experience of how hard I hit R9 archers, sins, mystics, psyics with my puny R8+5 weapon. The results are occasional one shots with demon spark. Can't use Demon spark you say? They make anti stun apoths/genie skills for a reason.)

-If you honestly think a R9+12 powered demon tempest crit wont kill 90% of everyone who gets hit by it (And thats all that matters, people dying) then you need to go visit your friendly naborhood TW faction to prove me right.

Kanmi - Sanctuary

b:laugh i laugh at the fool farming pk kills in TW .

1. Anyone on Dreamweaver can confirm that guy is R9+12 Cleric . Btw, he is not even classed in PVP ranking so make me wonder...

2. Does anyone have ever seen this guy in TW faction ? xD Cause he doesnt even know you can be kicked and then you can't enter the said TW...

Edit : Frenzy BIDS can't kill a R9 Archer fully buffed, what your Tempest do again ?

StacysMum - Dreamweaver

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Edit : Frenzy BIDS can't kill a R9 Archer fully buffed, what your Tempest do again ?

Dunno what kind of Wizzies you have but you might need some new ones XD
Frenzy on a class that already R9 armor and weapon is a waste
An equally geared Sage Wiz can wtf pwn an archer, unless you use wings of protection or domain, not much else will save you.

Far as tempest goes its a fail, metal maging if done requires a chain of debuffs followed by bloom (blume? f**k knows) not tempest. Tempest is rubbish you'll only get it away successfully if you use a pot (such a waste) or suicidal channel gear (you'll be dead). Bloom has the benifit of being fast.

Pvp metal maging if you're not at least lvl 100 and demon is also a fail due to powerlvls. You are outclassed from lvl 1 -105 end of story.

Kanmi - Sanctuary

You should actually say what kind of Archer we got b:laugh

Mendolin - Sanctuary

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

You should actually say what kind of Archer we got b:laugh

You have r9 archers that CAN be killed with just a BIDS crit from a wizard with r9 ring, chest and pants... +12 lunar nirvana sword, etc.

No HF, No Amp... just undine. I dont know how much HP he has but... he died.
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StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Frenzy on a class that already R9 armor and weapon is a waste

for my education, why is frenzy a waste? or did you mean it was a waste for full r9 wizards?

Kanmi - Sanctuary

Dunno where i mention an archer from my faction b:puzzled And you know we don't have the majority of the R9 Archer (means full R9 or missing 1 piece)
It was more a reference of those from Sanctuary server . But if you want to refer to kirby, he isn't the one with bestest gears in Sanctuary and i'm sure you know it b:cute

Also you're SS, just show damage . Can barely judge if he was actually fully buffed etc... like i mention on my previous post .

Mendolin - Sanctuary

Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Dunno where i mention an archer from my faction b:puzzled And you know we don't have the majority of the R9 Archer (means full R9 or missing 1 piece)
It was more a reference of those from Sanctuary server . But if you want to refer to kirby, he isn't the one with bestest gears in Sanctuary and i'm sure you know it b:cute

i was simply just disproving your statement that BIDS could not kill a full buffed r9 archer... i used kirby because you might have known how much hp he had

edit: it is your judgement of whether or not you want to believe me lol... just like anything stated on forums (about buffs, etc.)

Kanmi - Sanctuary

b:chuckle I don't know how much HP he got . I don't really check the people HP, i just make sure it doesnt go too low :P
If i stated this it's simply cause i have a wizzy in my squad that probably have the same attack level than your wizzard (since you're not full R9 also) and we saw that repeatly .

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary

Mendolin - Sanctuary wrote: »

You have r9 archers that CAN be killed with just a BIDS crit from a wizard with r9 ring, chest and pants... +12 lunar nirvana sword, etc.

No HF, No Amp... just undine. I dont know how much HP he has but... he died.
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I believe I was unbuffed and debuffed with clerics elemental seal and who knows what else

Mendolin - Sanctuary

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary wrote: »

I believe I was unbuffed and debuffed with clerics elemental seal and who knows what else

b:surrender you kinda proved me right with your video... the attack difference between kween and i if you take into account the attack levels, etc. although she out damages me... i am not far behind a rank 9 wizard. behind... but not far... with undine and a non crit... she hit you for 12k a crit is double, am i wrong? so that puts the damage around 24k mine was 27k... you were buffed, there was no bms around and no venos... there were sins yes so you might have been amped by them, but your damage test only proves to me that its possible.

if you want to continue to discuss the issue... make another thread, or message me and we can continue... this isnt the place

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary

rewatch the video to notice that there was undine frenzy poison on the first one and the 2nd one was just undine k thanks

Mendolin - Sanctuary

Rfskkirby - Sanctuary wrote: »

rewatch the video to notice that there was undine frenzy poison on the first one and the 2nd one was just undine k thanks

rofl... i apologize, i am at work so watching it so small, i saw none of the above.
b:chuckle

i wont continue since its not the appropriate thread- good job you are so pro ^_^ sorry i slandered your name