Wtf is a full attack cleric?
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b:mischievous i take note of that you sexy tranny bm .
No more heal for you in TW, i'll focus on psy/archer b:chuckle0 -
So you're saying because YOU can't bring yourself to DD all other clerics shouldnt either?
Have you done any instances at all with 5 aps squads with BP? Cause if you had, you would realise that clerics barely need to heal most times.. so what do you expect from clerics then, to stand around and look pretty? or to spam heals on someone who obviously doesnt need them?
no ty, i'd rather use dimensional/elemental seal and DD some.
Since when BP is reliable in TW ? b:puzzled You should read what you quoted before bringing fail argument .0 -
^^Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »let me explain how TW works with an Cleric.
Your job goes as follows:
1) keep yourself/squad alive
2) keep yourself/squad buffed
if 1 & 2 are going great, then you will:
3) rezz allied eps
4) Throw heals on allied players if you have time
5) sleep/debuff/seal your squad's target
6) sleep/debuff/seal targets near you that have been called out in vent
7) if nobody is called out you will sleep/seal any enemies you can tab
8) If there are no enemies, look for allies who need buffs
DDing isn't anywhere on that list.
This for TW. A single IH can tilt most 1v1 scenarios and allow you to out number your opponents. Rezs mean no seal and no need to run all the way back from the start. And buffs give you an obvious advantage in survivability which is important for DDs getting to their 2 spark skills. Cleric's doing the cleric job is way more useful than clerics playing mediocre archers.
^^Yanami - Heavens Tear wrote: »
I'm all for clerics attacking...
...as long as healing/puri/rezzing/buffing is a priority first.
And this for PvE. Decent squads don't even need a cleric most the time, but they're still nice for their buffs and to save pots. A cleric can buff at the very start and can heal after the mob is dead, which leaves plenty of time to seal mobs and to dd to help out the squad, rather than healing a person who is going to get full hp from paint anyways. A cleric that can seal is probably the most important "free time" duty of a cleric.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »Since when BP is reliable in TW ? b:puzzled You should read what you quoted before bringing fail argument .
Sorry had not realised we were talking Exclusively of TWs
At the beggining of my quote I did mention "Instances"... (so I was not speaking Exclusively of TWs)0 -
Who says you can't do both.. If you can keep your squad alive, why not DD a little....
(Not all TW's are that hard core anyway..)
So you're saying because YOU can't bring yourself to DD all other clerics shouldnt either?
Have you done any instances at all with 5 aps squads with BP? Cause if you had, you would realise that clerics barely need to heal most times.. so what do you expect from clerics then, to stand around and look pretty? or to spam heals on someone who obviously doesnt need them?
no ty, i'd rather use dimensional/elemental seal and DD some.
Oh yeah in a 3way gank tw you have time to dd sure. >.>
Yes i have, my husband is a sin with 5aps.
But a cleric is a healer, if they were meant to dd they'd have more attacks.
Tw just does not have space for dd clerics, sorry to burst your bubble.
As a cata cleric im one of the main targets in tw for fish. When i get attacked by them i ad or whatever to survive and freeze them and leave it up to the other people to kill them and i continue healing my barb. What if that sin is R9? Now i wanna kill a r9 sin? please. I'd be the first to die not them.
In PvE a skilled cleric can do all 3 -> debuff, heal and dd.
In tw sorry dd clerics, but there is simply no time for you to dd, especially if your in a top faction.
Oh yeah theres a reason pwi gave you 5 heals. To you know use them. 6 actually if you count blessing of the purehearted as a heal.lalalala Pokemon
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Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »^^
This for TW. A single IH can tilt most 1v1 scenarios and allow you to out number your opponents. Rezs mean no seal and no need to run all the way back from the start. And buffs give you an obvious advantage in survivability which is important for DDs getting to their 2 spark skills. Cleric's doing the cleric job is way more useful than clerics playing mediocre archers.
b:laugh so true .
Also you can't purify the seal after ressing, but ya they don't have to run back all the way where they were .0 -
I am eternally at awe with selfless healers and disgust at wannabe metal mages
|Nuff said
Maybe you should have rolled a myst if you REALLY wanna DD and heal.0 -
Nine_Lives - Raging Tide wrote: »Maybe you should have rolled a myst if you REALLY wanna DD and heal.
Yes, that way they could be rubbish at both XDPWI b:bye0 -
Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »I couldnt resist coming to this thread with all the no DDing **** im hearing.
My rules:
If you can solo something, solo it, if you are a cleric, solo it with your own heals and laugh at others who need help from clerics.
Rich cleric > Anyone else when it comes to survivability. (Pvp against rich sins and harpy wraith dont count)
If you have the power to 1-3 shot a barb, by all means DD in TW or any other pvp related location, as long as your killing people and not the one getting killed your still doing your main job, and thats KEEPING PEOPLE ALIVE be it via heals or getting rid of the reason you need to heal in the first place >.>
Stop, Drop, and Heal! Your a cleric! You shouldn't be dying by the hands of any boss or mob...or equally geared player if you know how to use your advantages to...your advantage!
To the poster above me, Your the type of person to sell your kids because you cant afford to feed then and pay the bills? Whats logical and whats preferred are two different things, we clerics are clerics because we like being clerics, not because we want it to be easy. (Sins) Now...Watch as i tank and solo more stuff with my awesome survivability because i can heal myself while you rely on your herc.
Most barbs in TW these days wont be 3 shottable. They're reaching hp lvls of 40k+ and you have to get through the charm first.
Heres a video that, in my opinion, shows why theres no time to DD in a serious TW. This was a total crystal walk and there was STILL no time to DD. Did I make mistakes? Yes. Was my squad a tad bit suicidal? Yes (b:heart but b:irritated). Were there clerics messing around and tempesting the spawn point for fun towards the end? Yes. But this vid would look hella worse if I hadn't stuck to my job.
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Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »Most barbs in TW these days wont be 3 shottable. They're reaching hp lvls of 40k+ and you have to get through the charm first.
Heres a video that, in my opinion, shows why theres no time to DD in a serious TW. This was a total crystal walk and there was STILL no time to DD. Did I make mistakes? Yes. Was my squad a tad bit suicidal? Yes (b:heart but b:irritated). Were there clerics messing around and tempesting the spawn point for fun towards the end? Yes. But this vid would look hella worse if I hadn't stuck to my job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjCTHJanqM
If you have the right to mention R9+12 barbs with full Jades of steady defense and charms then i have the right to mention R9+12 clerics with full Demon spark with demon wield thunder(it comes with debuff) and other demony things like spaming EP and Frenzy while hitting said barb with crits. Why i say this? Because if a R9+12 Arcane cant kill a barb then noone can, not even those op R9 sins.
Also, I asked a lovely R9+12 cleric to attack a fully buffed but uninvoked R9+12 barb with wield thunder only and the results were him losing 40% of his hp in tiger form without her critting. So im not without some merit into what i say.
To person who mentioned rerolling, view previous post.
To people commenting on the whole keep squad alive dynamic, please shut up. The other 20 something clerics with no will to DD but only be a heal/buff bot can take care of everyone else. In terms of survivability, Players with OP gear and heals > Players with OP gear and no heals. Be it clerics or not heals play a major aspect in staying alive to keep fighting.b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
StacysMum - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yes, that way they could be rubbish at both XD
exactlyb:victory0 -
Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »Most barbs in TW these days wont be 3 shottable. They're reaching hp lvls of 40k+ and you have to get through the charm first.
Heres a video that, in my opinion, shows why theres no time to DD in a serious TW. This was a total crystal walk and there was STILL no time to DD. Did I make mistakes? Yes. Was my squad a tad bit suicidal? Yes (b:heart but b:irritated). Were there clerics messing around and tempesting the spawn point for fun towards the end? Yes. But this vid would look hella worse if I hadn't stuck to my job.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjCTHJanqM
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Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »If you have the right to mention R9+12 barbs with full Jades of steady defense and charms then i have the right to mention R9+12 clerics with full Demon spark with demon wield thunder(it comes with debuff) and other demony things like spaming EP and Frenzy while hitting said barb with crits. Why i say this? Because if a R9+12 Arcane cant kill a barb then noone can, not even those op R9 sins.
Also, I asked a lovely R9+12 cleric to attack a fully buffed but uninvoked R9+12 barb with wield thunder only and the results were him losing 40% of his hp in tiger form without her critting. So im not without some merit into what i say.
To person who mentioned rerolling, view previous post.
To people commenting on the whole keep squad alive dynamic, please shut up. The other 20 something clerics with no will to DD but only be a heal/buff bot can take care of everyone else. In terms of survivability, Players with OP gear and heals > Players with OP gear and no heals. Be it clerics or not heals play a major aspect in staying alive to keep fighting.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but psy's have alot more attack lvls than a cleric, "but you can shard dot" Mhm they can shard dot too then.
A problem with a 40k hp barb is everyone targets them. So if you one of those people to have a 40k hp barb in squad, and you dd, think that barb wants to squad with you again? err NO. If you healed him you could've saved what 10 ticks on a short war? Thats 200k of his charm that you wasted just to kill someone.
At this point your probably feeling like spark attacking me like you always do when i point out the facts.
If you don't believe me that R9 psy > R9 cleric. Let me show you the math then.
Psy => http://pwcalc.com/0a06227b39e33794 22 more attack lvls than a cleric. Not to mention the soulforce.
Cleric => http://pwcalc.com/9eebf80cae6bfe55
A cleric can't match up to a psy unless they get soulforce bonuses or attack lvl buffs.
Sorry to have bursted your bubble.
Again ill say. Tw has no use for DD clerics, they are easily replaceable by psy'sb:byelalalala Pokemon
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threepointone wrote: »since when did people use assassins in TW?
Captain Obvious says: Since the Tide expansion came out.0 -
Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »If you have the right to mention R9+12 barbs with full Jades of steady defense and charms then i have the right to mention R9+12 clerics with full Demon spark with demon wield thunder(it comes with debuff) and other demony things like spaming EP and Frenzy while hitting said barb with crits. Why i say this? Because if a R9+12 Arcane cant kill a barb then noone can, not even those op R9 sins.
Also, I asked a lovely R9+12 cleric to attack a fully buffed but uninvoked R9+12 barb with wield thunder only and the results were him losing 40% of his hp in tiger form without her critting. So im not without some merit into what i say.
To person who mentioned rerolling, view previous post.
To people commenting on the whole keep squad alive dynamic, please shut up. The other 20 something clerics with no will to DD but only be a heal/buff bot can take care of everyone else. In terms of survivability, Players with OP gear and heals > Players with OP gear and no heals. Be it clerics or not heals play a major aspect in staying alive to keep fighting.
Sad thing with R9... Everyone think they are DD from Cleric to Veno...
Also you're DD test... errr doesn't make sense . Duel doesn't give any close clue of a situation in TW . The same Barb being heal... blah blah you know the rythme and the same cleric DD with wield thunder that awesome neon light saying "hey guys I R a DD RAWR, I'm HERE !" annnd "bleh i'm dead..."
And seems people forgot this... R9 Bow puuuuuuuuuuuurge b:cry How can you find time to play DD when they have such a hax bow... Not only veno purge and with the eruption of R9 Archer i spend 75% of my time rebuffing squad .0 -
Kanmi - Sanctuary wrote: »Sad thing with R9... Everyone think they are DD from Cleric to Veno...
Also you're DD test... errr doesn't make sense . Duel doesn't give any close clue of a situation in TW . The same Barb being heal... blah blah you know the rythme and the same cleric DD with wield thunder that awesome neon light saying "hey guys I R a DD RAWR, I'm HERE !" annnd "bleh i'm dead..."
And seems people forgot this... R9 Bow puuuuuuuuuuuurge b:cry How can you find time to play DD when they have such a hax bow... Not only veno purge and with the eruption of R9 Archer i spend 75% of my time rebuffing squad .
It was not a duel it was in pk.
And the main point was that a cleric can easily damage a barb, be it them getting healed or not. Any cleric who can do said damage to a barb, can probably one shot most melees as well, so the whole wield thunder attracting attention is negated by that person dying before they can do anything. (WT is pretty fast with enough channeling)
Venos requires them to get close to purge so i don't worry about them, and purging archers are just scary in general, but also squishy like sins minus the deaden nerve.Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »Sorry to burst your bubble, but psy's have alot more attack lvls than a cleric, "but you can shard dot" Mhm they can shard dot too then.
This conversation started with barbs and its gonna end with barbs, if you wanna switch around classes then lets test your Psy against Archers. (Also note my mention of the 20 other something clerics to do the job, TW is about protecting your strongest player, PK is just about killing.)
I noticed you had both the psy and cleric barb buffed and bm buffed. I don't believe soulforce would save that psy from being one shotted from a strong enough attack, even if said attack killed the attacker. (Also R9 gives 60(70?) attack levels on its own, Jones blessing gives 30, and frenzy gives 20)
To get more attack levels a psy have to sacrifice def levels, and vice versa.b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »If you have the right to mention R9+12 barbs with full Jades of steady defense and charms then i have the right to mention R9+12 clerics with full Demon spark with demon wield thunder(it comes with debuff) and other demony things like spaming EP and Frenzy while hitting said barb with crits. Why i say this? Because if a R9+12 Arcane cant kill a barb then noone can, not even those op R9 sins.
Also, I asked a lovely R9+12 cleric to attack a fully buffed but uninvoked R9+12 barb with wield thunder only and the results were him losing 40% of his hp in tiger form without her critting. So im not without some merit into what i say.
To person who mentioned rerolling, view previous post.
To people commenting on the whole keep squad alive dynamic, please shut up. The other 20 something clerics with no will to DD but only be a heal/buff bot can take care of everyone else. In terms of survivability, Players with OP gear and heals > Players with OP gear and no heals. Be it clerics or not heals play a major aspect in staying alive to keep fighting.
Boy you dun goofed, the proper phrase is: If a R9 sin can't kill it, nothing can. Sins have the highest single target DPS in game at the moment, just because some R9 Arcane can't kill it doesn't mean a R9 sin can't. If you think an Arcane class has damage that's even remotely in the same ballpark as a sin then you're dreaming.0 -
Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »It was not a duel it was in pk.
And the main point was that a cleric can easily damage a barb, be it them getting healed or not. Any cleric who can do said damage to a barb, can probably one shot most melees as well, so the whole wield thunder attracting attention is negated by that person dying before they can do anything. (WT is pretty fast with enough channeling)
b:laugh Still not close . PK and TW are still 2 differents things . I pked with +12 G15 nirvana . And i can tell you, cleric CAN'T kill a well geared Barb/BM or whatever melee class you want to bring in the table, considering charm/kiting etc...
Yes i can 1-2 shot Barb/BM wearing LA ornement fully buffed in pk . I will not kill a barb that is fully buff and healed .
Even under massive attack i tried it, and i pked not only to kill but also to improve my own survivability and see how long i can keep a full squad alive .
4 people (if i remember well counting 2 R9 barb/1 R9 acher) vs 1 R9 BM, Me healing the R9 BM all the time, rebuffing and purify... conclusion they were not able to kill him and got killed cause no support from any cleric from there side .
You don't see the befinit from healing cause you think over DDing someone, will take him down faster . It's not true in every case .
Duel =/= PK
PK =/= TW
I thought everyone, knew that x.x0 -
Well this topic got off track from the OP's question...and Im partly responsible...whoopsie
@ the "other 20 eps comment". If any of my fellow eps ever asked me to watch my own squad + theirs to cover for them while they went DD crazy during a TW, I'd think they were off their rocker. If you've been placed in a squad to heal, then do so instead of expecting other clerics to do the job you were supposed to be doing in the first place.
Ofc throwing heals on people outside your own squad is normal and appreciated, but expecting "the other 20 healing clerics" to be available to save your squad's *** while you metal mage is just...bad.
And as for calling us "heal/buff bots", I thank you. As you said earlier, OP players with heals> OP players with no heals. And its my pleasure to ensure my that DDs can dish out chaos to the best of their ability. I'm more than willing to sacrifice my moment to 3 shot that barb if it lowers the chances of my squad's time being wasted by recovering from preventable deaths.0 -
Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »It was not a duel it was in pk.
And the main point was that a cleric can easily damage a barb, be it them getting healed or not. Any cleric who can do said damage to a barb, can probably one shot most melees as well, so the whole wield thunder attracting attention is negated by that person dying before they can do anything. (WT is pretty fast with enough channeling)
Venos requires them to get close to purge so i don't worry about them, and purging archers are just scary in general, but also squishy like sins minus the deaden nerve.
This conversation started with barbs and its gonna end with barbs, if you wanna switch around classes then lets test your Psy against Archers. (Also note my mention of the 20 other something clerics to do the job, TW is about protecting your strongest player, PK is just about killing.)
I noticed you had both the psy and cleric barb buffed and bm buffed. I don't believe soulforce would save that psy from being one shotted from a strong enough attack, even if said attack killed the attacker. (Also R9 gives 60(70?) attack levels on its own, Jones blessing gives 30, and frenzy gives 20)
To get more attack levels a psy have to sacrifice def levels, and vice versa.
Im sorry but did you even take a look at both builds? Cleric had 73 defense lvls, psy had 70 sorry buddy but psy > dd clerics
Oh i forgot to mention. We could switch psy's rings out for physical attack rings since they have insanely fast channeling already, clerics however need quite a bit of channeling to keep up with psy's.
Have you ever even played a psy before?
One shot a full r9 +12 full jaded psy? Please don't make me laugh.
Lets test a new build shall we? http://pwcalc.com/eb16521376328d56 i'd say that extra pdef makes up for that 3 def lvls loss. Clerics need that channeling psy's dont.
WT is pretty fast with decent channeling. Correct. 30% about right?
So in those 3seconds estimate that you take to cast weild thunder a psy has casted 2.5 skills on your target and has killed them already. Oops another 3sec that you wasted when you could of saved another life.
Also this phrase is laughable " I don't believe soulforce would save that psy from being one shotted from a strong enough attack, even if said attack killed the attacker. (Also R9 gives 60(70?) attack levels on its own, Jones blessing gives 30, and frenzy gives 20)"
R9 wont save you either from dying. If a psy dies through R9 you will die much faster my dear.
A psy has an auto stun skill, an aoe stun skill, Soul of vengance? Which in my opinion kills people on their first hit. Soul burn which could make aps chars kill themselves. A physical immune skill.
You think any faction will let a full jade +12 r9 psy go into tw unbuffed? Thats fail on their part then.
A psy can also use jones blessing and frenzy.
Sorry ill say this again: A dd cleric will easily be replaced by a psyb:byelalalala Pokemon
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Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »Im sorry but did you even take a look at both builds? Cleric had 73 defense lvls, psy had 70 sorry buddy but psy > dd clerics
Oh i forgot to mention. We could switch psy's rings out for physical attack rings since they have insanely fast channeling already, clerics however need quite a bit of channeling to keep up with psy's.
Have you ever even played a psy before?
One shot a full r9 +12 full jaded psy? Please don't make me laugh.
Lets test a new build shall we? http://pwcalc.com/eb16521376328d56 i'd say that extra pdef makes up for that 3 def lvls loss. Clerics need that channeling psy's dont.
WT is pretty fast with decent channeling. Correct. 30% about right?
So in those 3seconds estimate that you take to cast weild thunder a psy has casted 2.5 skills on your target and has killed them already. Oops another 3sec that you wasted when you could of saved another life.
Also this phrase is laughable " I don't believe soulforce would save that psy from being one shotted from a strong enough attack, even if said attack killed the attacker. (Also R9 gives 60(70?) attack levels on its own, Jones blessing gives 30, and frenzy gives 20)"
R9 wont save you either from dying. If a psy dies through R9 you will die much faster my dear.
A psy has an auto stun skill, an aoe stun skill, Soul of vengance? Which in my opinion kills people on their first hit. Soul burn which could make aps chars kill themselves. A physical immune skill.
You think any faction will let a full jade +12 r9 psy go into tw unbuffed? Thats fail on their part then.
A psy can also use jones blessing and frenzy.
Sorry ill say this again: A dd cleric will easily be replaced by a psyb:bye
And this is why my soon to be hubby (currently a r9 sin) will be rerolling to a r9 psy soon for pvp.0 -
Mekkhala - Lost City wrote: »And this is why my soon to be hubby (currently a r9 sin) will be rerolling to a r9 psy soon for pvp.
lol Amen my hubby is a sin too and he also gonna make full r9 psyb:chucklelalalala Pokemon
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Mentioning the attack levels and def levels of psys is important because you have vodoo to consider that will greatly effect both points. To do more damage then all other arcanes they use the attack level one making them easier to kill, and vice versa makes it harder for them to kill but make their damage laughable(minus soulburn). Also, SoV can be canceled with IH or AD, i imagine anyone attacking a psy would use some kinda anti stun as well.
To the person saying pk =/= TW, you have not seen the recent faction Gladio on Dreamweaver that PKs in a full squad of psy, cleric, sin, archer, barb and so on. All R9 somehow, stupid rich people I've never heard of... So the pk dynamic have turned into a TW like event.
I concede a cleric isn't the best of the best in both DD and in Survivability, that being said, they come so close to both of those areas (Well rounded) to the point where they can be considered a threat most of the time.
(To the person who mentioned nirvana weapon) R9 weapon has more magic attack without the need for as much refine to reach a +12 nirvana status. That however is minute to the fact that full R9 gear comes with a bonus of 40? attack levels to add on to the R9 weapon's 30. So the difference in damage compared to Nirvana is laughably different. (I assume)
To express a situation i give this example. (Me run out with plumeshell, mana charm, hp charm, and pop on a damage reduction apoth. 3 Sins and a wiz come to pay me a visit. I live just long enough to AD partway through a stun, siren kiss while AD is up and stun is over, 1 shot 2 of the 3 sins, and get killed by the remainders. Now Had i had better gear at that time, the match may not have required quite as much effort, the fact remains however that clerics can do just well enough to be considered dangerous)
P.S. Stop mentioning all the times i tried to kill you cause i simply do not remember you. Those worthy of memory are those who have actually died by my hands, people noone would have dreamed me able to kill. >.> I have my moments.b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
i just laugh at clerics who think they can actually dish damage. b:chuckle
Go ahead try and kill a 45k hp barb who knows how to kite/pot/ mdef charm, or a bm with 25k hp and 18k mdef.. ohh right and they have a cleric who actually does their job and heals/purifies them to keep them alive.
BTW while you're busy trying to DD i might aswell kill you or your other squad members who arent being healed.
dont even bother pretending to be as good as a DD as a wizard because they have that spark genie skill, or a psychic that deals 3-4x more damage than clerics if in black voodoo.. Fact is, in all squads cleric is the most important because of buffs and heals. This is the reason why they are targetted first in pk battles.0 -
Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »Mentioning the attack levels and def levels of psys is important because you have vodoo to consider that will greatly effect both points. To do more damage then all other arcanes they use the attack level one making them easier to kill, and vice versa makes it harder for them to kill but make their damage laughable(minus soulburn). Also, SoV can be canceled with IH or AD, i imagine anyone attacking a psy would use some kinda anti stun as well.
To the person saying pk =/= TW, you have not seen the recent faction Gladio on Dreamweaver that PKs in a full squad of psy, cleric, sin, archer, barb and so on. All R9 somehow, stupid rich people I've never heard of... So the pk dynamic have turned into a TW like event.
I concede a cleric isn't the best of the best in both DD and in Survivability, that being said, they come so close to both of those areas (Well rounded) to the point where they can be considered a threat most of the time.
(To the person who mentioned nirvana weapon) R9 weapon has more magic attack without the need for as much refine to reach a +12 nirvana status. That however is minute to the fact that full R9 gear comes with a bonus of 40? attack levels to add on to the R9 weapon's 30. So the difference in damage compared to Nirvana is laughably different. (I assume)
To express a situation i give this example. (Me run out with plumeshell, mana charm, hp charm, and pop on a damage reduction apoth. 3 Sins and a wiz come to pay me a visit. I live just long enough to AD partway through a stun, siren kiss while AD is up and stun is over, 1 shot 2 of the 3 sins, and get killed by the remainders. Now Had i had better gear at that time, the match may not have required quite as much effort, the fact remains however that clerics can do just well enough to be considered dangerous)
P.S. Stop mentioning all the times i tried to kill you cause i simply do not remember you. Those worthy of memory are those who have actually died by my hands, people noone would have dreamed me able to kill. >.> I have my moments.
I did mention them, didn't i just prove to you that psy's > DD clerics? You know if those sins had any skill at all they'd use tidal, and stun you long enough for the ad duration. If thats not enough, sleep you, seal you.
I love my class but i know when to be realistic about what a cleric can do and what they cant.
Sorry but IH cant save you with Soul of retaliation i remember when i faced AznBloodV she one shotted me with soul of retaliation. i meant soul of retaliation sorryb:surrender I just remembered the correct name.
Clerics can do scary damage but sorry there is simply no space for dd clerics in tw, sad but true.
Pk clerics go for it! DD all you can there. But in tw no just no.
Clerics dont go far with big ego's ijs.lalalala Pokemon
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AirSonic - Sanctuary wrote: »i just laugh at clerics who think they can actually dish damage. b:chuckle
Go ahead try and kill a 45k hp barb who knows how to kite/pot/ mdef charm, or a bm with 25k hp and 18k mdef.. ohh right and they have a cleric who actually does their job and heals/purifies them to keep them alive.
BTW while you're busy trying to DD i might aswell kill you or your other squad members who arent being healed.
dont even bother pretending to be as good as a DD as a wizard because they have that spark genie skill, or a psychic that deals 3-4x more damage than clerics if in black voodoo.. Fact is, in all squads cleric is the most important because of buffs and heals. This is the reason why they are targetted first in pk battles.
I never pretended, my last post just said clerics arent the best, but good enough. Barbs kite? I dont remember this being common, and 1v1? I have already won against a 45k R9 barb. with heals, i would problably not be able to kill him, neither can you so hush. (I wonder if i could get a cleric dedicated to healing me, that would be fun.)Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »I did mention them, didn't i just prove to you that psy's > DD clerics? You know if those sins had any skill at all they'd use tidal, and stun you long enough for the ad duration. If thats not enough, sleep you, seal you.
I love my class but i know when to be realistic about what a cleric can do and what they cant.
Sorry but IH cant save you with Soul of retaliation i remember when i faced AznBloodV she one shotted me with soul of retaliation. i meant soul of retaliation sorryb:surrender I just remembered the correct name.
Clerics can do scary damage but sorry there is simply no space for dd clerics in tw, sad but true.
Pk clerics go for it! DD all you can there. But in tw no just no.
Clerics dont go far with big ego's ijs.
There are on average 30-60 players in a TW, plenty of room for a rouge Cleric to do what he wants since the cap is like 80. Yes im pulling these numbers out my *** cause I havnt confirmed in awhile.
So what your saying is, a psy is just as squishy as a cleric when using the voodoo required to out damage (To the point where it matters, a 10k diffrence in pve is hardly godly) them? And when they are using the opposite VooDoo they are impossible to one shot but also unable to hurt others that greatly?
Thank you for confirming clerics can do scary damage, scary meaning enough to win, not enough to impress. (Who wants to impress? I just wanna win.)
Even if they used Tidal it wouldnt have helped. (I'm confused on what it does, isnt it a anti stun?) While in AD im unable to be stuned or sleeped any longer, So they couldnt have done anything to stop the siren kiss at all minus resisting it, I cant help it if it did just enough damage to one shot the ones without deaden nerve.
Big Ego =/= Skills. Thats a behavioral trait that does not effect gameplay. Also, My emotions when on a forum is between neural and bemused, don't insult people by labeling them or judging them, atleast don't post it for all to see.
Edit: I pity the fool who think they can post on a lvl105 veno...that is a veno right?.
Double Edit: So much stuff to re-read and cover. If you use those -3% channelling orbs in a weapon that makes up for a cleric replacing a ring as well. Tho im demon and spark every chance i get so meh. (Psy vs cleric, why are we talking about phy def?)b:scorn...We are one, We are many, We are watching you...b:scorn0 -
Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »Edit: I pity the fool who think they can post on a lvl105 veno...that is a veno right?.
It is a level 105 Blademaster.
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Mitachi - Dreamweaver wrote: »Also this phrase is laughable " I don't believe soulforce would save that psy from being one shotted from a strong enough attack, even if said attack killed the attacker. (Also R9 gives 60(70?) attack levels on its own, Jones blessing gives 30, and frenzy gives 20)"
R9 wont save you either from dying. If a psy dies through R9 you will die much faster my dear.
A psy has an auto stun skill, an aoe stun skill, Soul of vengance? Which in my opinion kills people on their first hit. Soul burn which could make aps chars kill themselves. A physical immune skill.
You think any faction will let a full jade +12 r9 psy go into tw unbuffed? Thats fail on their part then.
A psy can also use jones blessing and frenzy.
Sorry ill say this again: A dd cleric will easily be replaced by a psyb:bye
Full r9 +12 JoSD psy's in KB usually have 2-3 clerics on them during the whole TW to make sure that they are fully buffed and never die as that single Psy with cleric heals can literally tank 80 people charging at him or her, if they are compentent enough (Especially with the 15(30?) second seal at the start).
So..yeah gotta agree, if a cleric wants to be a metal mage instead of a healer go roll a wizzy or something else.Nothing worthwhile to mention here, enjoy the animated signature~
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Actually, i think it's pointless to try to explain anything to you, you have clearly no clue what you're talking about .0
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