Archers Outdated?

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  • Keliska - Raging Tide
    Keliska - Raging Tide Posts: 768 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sin appearently have bigger Double D's. ;o
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Keliska - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Sin appearently have bigger Double D's. ;o

    Nope, female TB are not as well off as the original races and I'm not sure of EG...but frankly, their **** are frightening. They move almost all the time, seemingly independent of the body of the assassin herself. Even in opposite directions of each other. b:shocked
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Nope, female TB are not as well off as the original races and I'm not sure of EG...but frankly, their **** are frightening. They move almost all the time, seemingly independent of the body of the assassin herself. Even in opposite directions of each other. b:shocked

    Games have accurate boob mechanics?
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Games have accurate boob mechanics?

    Not necessarily accurate, but generally at least they do not appear as if they are moving completely independently, each boob blessed with the gift of it's own free will.


    and I feel dirty for watching that o,o
  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    and I feel dirty for watching that o,o
    Mission accomplished
  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    The mission was to reach 29 pages tho u.u
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The mission was to reach 29 pages tho u.u

    Feeling dirty in the process by watching Ker's **** links is fine too.
  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The mission was to reach 29 pages tho u.u
    The DoA Extreme 2 game developer's mission.

    Sadly we still haven't finished our own mission.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Gawd should've not opened that at work...I wonder if Elena *cough* no, Teapot did the same b:chuckle.
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
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    Qui: b:dirty
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Gawd should've not opened that at work...I wonder if Elena *cough* no, Teapot did the same b:chuckle.

    Well, I was about to, but thanx for the warning!
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well, I was about to, but thanx for the warning!

    Do it! It's awesome! b:laugh
  • Minimus_ - Sanctuary
    Minimus_ - Sanctuary Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Archers have too many luvarrows to be outdated b:cute

    Old but I still like eet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITyoOHwf6Xo
    Middle lane, middle lane.. b:shutup
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Minimus_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Archers have too many luvarrows to be outdated b:cute

    Old but I still like eet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITyoOHwf6Xo

    It doesn't really help your arguement if you show off a pvp video with a pre-tideborn 6k hp archer...
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  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It doesn't really help your arguement if you show off a pvp video with a pre-tideborn 6k hp archer...

    Asty just doesn't want this thread to get to 29 pages.
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Meh. More realistically speaking, almost everything non-sin is outdated in PvE, and almost everything non-R9 is outdated in PvP
  • Aesthor - Heavens Tear
    Aesthor - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,845 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Meh. More realistically speaking, almost everything non-sin is outdated in PvE, and almost everything non-R9 is outdated in PvP

    Truth.

    Well I'd say BMs are still useful for debuff ****.

    Edit: That's censored? Fine, debuff slave. There.
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  • Minimus_ - Sanctuary
    Minimus_ - Sanctuary Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It doesn't really help your arguement if you show off a pvp video with a pre-tideborn 6k hp archer...

    I could have posted even a decent pvp vid from 2008 with the archer having 2k hp ..
    Middle lane, middle lane.. b:shutup
  • Finrah - Sanctuary
    Finrah - Sanctuary Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    'outdated'... lol..

    Are classes you play a trend or something?

    You play a class because you want to be that class... not because you want to follow a trend or a friend....

    this outdated business is nonsense. I love how archers are with their bows and arrows, slight shots and shots. Don't like the aps archers, don't like how people criticize their own class and diss their own class or other class just because one class may seem better than the other.. you just need to find the str in your class and be proud of what you are.


    Why humans always make simple things complicated b:cry
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  • _blood_rain - Sanctuary
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary Posts: 2,532 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Finrah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    'outdated'... lol..

    Are classes you play a trend or something?

    You play a class because you want to be that class... not because you want to follow a trend or a friend....

    this outdated business is nonsense. I love how archers are with their bows and arrows, slight shots and shots. Don't like the aps archers, don't like how people criticize their own class and diss their own class or other class just because one class may seem better than the other.. you just need to find the str in your class and be proud of what you are.


    Why humans always make simple things complicated b:cry

    The hell are you talking about? This thread is about ****.
  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    _blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The hell are you talking about? This thread is about ****.
    Silly people trying to derail our boob thread. At least they're helping us get to page 29
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    There is someone named LadyEIena on Heaven's Tear. She won a Perfect Pink Pigment pack on the global auction thingy.

    How should I deal with this?
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Is she an archer?
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
    Qui: b:dirty
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    I have no idea; I have yet to meet her(?) .
  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Possible fangirl?
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Hmm... I did not think of that possibilty. Perhaps I can exploit this situation somehow.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Sounds like something dirty is on your mind...
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
    Qui: b:dirty
  • Anfisa - Lost City
    Anfisa - Lost City Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sounds like something dirty is on your mind...
    I like where this is going
  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    5 pages until Asty maxes them.

    Keep up the good work.
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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    There is someone named LadyEIena on Heaven's Tear. She won a Perfect Pink Pigment pack on the global auction thingy.

    How should I deal with this?

    Do a barrel roll.

    Kerona broke the female archer c-c-ombo posts.
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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited November 2011
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Cloudcharger/LG cape information comes from a friend that purchased both for his BM. Cloucharger 45mil. LG Cape 70mil. Given this was abit ago, but still, LG cape should cost more because it has -int and people love them some -int (ask yourself, for you are pro aps).

    Also, if I was gonna spend the coin for a deicide, I would most definitely put it on a BM. Fist mastery+Bell = Winning at solo grinding compared to an archer. As an archer I do want to do the most damage I possible can with a bow, else I wouldve rolled something else.

    My main arguement against going full aps on an archer is:

    1) High pop of BMs/Sins means alot of melee based DDs that hit harder than you and dps harder than you.

    2) Bow kills everything before a melee can hit it. Why bother wasting coin on aps I won't ever use but for a boss? My archer DDs hard enough as is with a bow. Last I checked dps order for phys classes was: Sin, BM, Archer. A Bow will out dps fists for quite a while in that first spark. And its not like afk auto attacking is much different with fists vs a bow. Bow just means I don't need to spend 70mil+ on an LG cape and switch my ornas/tome all the time. Sounds good to me tbh. I swear lol, and people argue that Sage is more expensive than demon...I don't ever want to worry about how much the HA99 ornas cost. The adds aren't even good enough for me to consider >.>

    And my logic on the bow thing is sound. A Sage with a bow WILL get aggro from 2.86 BMs (likely a demon too due to demon spark). Crit rate of a 1/3 shots > 2.86. It will happen. 2.86 isn't that much. Crit rate + higher spikes and especially since I am a DPH build sage (EP/Frenzy every spark unless I'm tanking) means I DD hard. Not to mention I am ALWAYS in squad with my wizard brother. Wizard undine strike lowers fire/water/earth resistances. Isnt it nice that I deal both fire and water (frostblade) with my normals? Sage Frost arrow crits for well over 50k with undine. Also, I checked for you. If I were demon and (based on a pool of my faction and my friendslist) Demon with 117 base str for Warsoul of Earth/gear for deicides I would have about 470 more p atk if sage (pwcalc ftw). I can only imagine that margin growing if I restat my extra strength and got higher refines/better shards/r9. Sure it isn't much, but still every little bit helps, thats why archer is THE highest dps ranged DD. Not 3rd best melee dps class...b:chuckle

    Yes, fists will DD slightly more on bosses, which is the only useful thing to use fists on. Mobs die before they enter melee range. I pvp with my bow, can't freeze/stunlock someone for 15-16 seconds with fists. Keep in mind I already said that. Pretty much the only fists I would aim for are Gorenox Vanity because we can't get BP like sins/BMs. Yet another reason to roll a sin/bm for farming. More soloing capabilities due to BP. And if I ever did invest in a pair of fists, I would use them only for TANKING melee bosses if no bm/sin was available. 2mil/50mirages/50chips/8subs from BH100 means I make alot of profit doing very little. Use subs to solo TT for mats to sell. Use chips to make molds to craft and sell. Use mirages to refine or to sell (or for Warsong). 2mil is straight up coin lols. In fact my archer can just do the above while my barb continues his way to 100. I honestly don't see the point in doing Nirvy unless its 2x since 3-4 runs averages my squad of 6 about 600-800k each which could have been made in 2 solo TTs.

    Another point, why is a level 98 demon archer attempting to lecture me on aps? You don't even have TT99 yet. What are you? 1.33? 1.43? You have no aps. Unless you were stupid enough to waste coin on TT90 gold or (god forbid) TT80gold. Keep in mind I only have r8/99+4/6 having only been 100 less than a month, so I am not well geared myself, but to be lectured on aps by someone who doesn't have it yet (or even have my aps) is well, a bit redundant. You got .87 with a bow yet? You rocking 4.2k p def unbuffed? I have my doubts. GL tanking stuff b:bye

    I am commenting on my experience being level 100 pure dex sage with minimum +aps solely from my r8/TT99. I don't need aps to be in squads. I have to tank nearly everything. I form everything. I bring whatever classes I want to bring to Nirvy/FC/BH. Wiz, Psy, Veno, Sin, Cleric? Sure bring it lol. I'm all for helping out the other classes that are actually useful in TW like Psys/Wizzies/Venos/Axe BMs. No one looks at me and says "oh he is a horrible DD because hes sage". The last demon archer that said that to me got 1 shot by a Stormrage crit lols and that was pre-99 (aka pre-good gear, as in gear you don't have yet; also he was demon ^_^).

    And again, since you keep neglecting that I've said it (I've said it in other threads too). Demon has great dps and -- >SUPERIOR<-- dps potential. However, if your playstyle is better suited to sage, then by all means roll one. It's not as if 10% more crit means Sage never crits and can't DD. I DD harder with non crit normals, and harder with crit'd normals. Demon hits harder when QS/STA/Stun proc. And hits faster when Demon sparked (obviously). Still, sage is a viable alternative, and both are great for pvp.

    Note: Apologies for the essaylike posts lol. Sometimes youre a college student taking tons of english history classes. 8 pages is nothing so these posts are really nothing. b:victory

    Holy ****.
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