APS solutions

Ashgaroth - Lost City

all imma say is thank god bows and axes can't get to 5.0 aps. talk about unfair xD having a machine gunner for an archer is damn scary seen it on a ps was so unbalanced.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

asldfkj wrote: »

why are people so stupid and ignorant, the game revolves around TW. And in TW aps is pretty irrelevant. 5 aps archer will use bow in tw, not hes fists/claws.......

Anyone who brings up mass pvp (wich tw is) then that is geting tottaly ingored. People are just jealous and butthurt that THEY dont have 5 aps sin. And no brainzzz to make some money with vendor shops.

Only thing i agree that non aps people have harder time in pve (nirvy).

Omg rank8/9 wiz can oneshot a bm, nerf it, omg having -60% channeling, lets fix it as fast as possible.

Omg archer, they can 2-3 shot arcanes, we need to nerf them.

Omg barbs use their armageddon and aoe and kill everyone, armageddon needs to be nerfed.

Omg lvl 90(even lvl 70 with uber gear) seeker with bp dosent need any other classes to solo all the pulls in FC, including big pull. Nerf the vortex.

OMg people who can use their computer 24/7 and have vendor shops open make millions per day. Nerf the time when you can hold vendor shops open.

Omg people are grinding 5 hours a day, you should limit that to 2 hours.

Omg ... etc

In the end there can be too many sins like in dreamwaver server, it shows that they are not OP class, since when it REALLY matters (TW) they are not overpowered

OMG. Are you moron? In TW is APS irrelevant, sure. And wizard can 1 shot everything. Yes maybe BUT with rank 9 gear. And now tell me. How me, as a wizard can get R9, when I DON'T have chance earn ingame coins because I'm not APS class? How I can obtain good gear if I cannot farm it or merchandise it, because I have nothing to offer? I like these morons which see just 1 aspect of game and it's TW, which last 15-30 minutes and where is APS non important. But they don't see what is before TW. That all game is depended on gear and some classes DON'T have chance to farm their gear because of stupid APS.

Decus - Dreamweaver

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

OMG. Are you moron? In TW is APS irrelevant, sure. And wizard can 1 shot everything. Yes maybe BUT with rank 9 gear. And now tell me. How me, as a wizard can get R9, when I DON'T have chance earn ingame coins because I'm not APS class? How I can obtain good gear if I cannot farm it or merchandise it, because I have nothing to offer? I like these morons which see just 1 aspect of game and it's TW, which last 15-30 minutes and where is APS non important. But they don't see what is before TW. That all game is depended on gear and some classes DON'T have chance to farm their gear because of stupid APS.

You're an idiot, plain and simple.

I feel bad this thread has derailed. I thought it was a great point by the OP. =/

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You're an idiot, plain and simple.

I feel bad this thread has derailed. I thought it was a great point by the OP. =/

What about some arguments? Ohh. Wait. You don't have any.
It doesn't surprise me from people like you.

whatchagonado

Why isn't this **** thread in "Suggestion" yet? Any mod around?

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How I can obtain good gear if I cannot farm it or merchandise it, because I have nothing to offer?

what's merchanting got to do with what your character can offer in combat?

shush, quiet, i'll whisper you a secret: many bigtime merchants sell stuff out of their catshops that they've never used or needed for themselves. folks who can offer 1* dragon orbs by the west arch jewelcraftsman for 130k coin apiece, they're plenty good enough at math to have figured out you can save money by never using those things to refine anything with --- not even combined up into higher level orbs. some people make a fortune shifting tens of thousands of rep badges, yet never get rank themselves.

i don't know about farming, but merchanting can get you anything you please in this game using nothing but a level-10 catshop alt. what your wizard can do in TT never enters the equation.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

OMG. Are you moron? In TW is APS irrelevant, sure. And wizard can 1 shot everything. Yes maybe BUT with rank 9 gear. And now tell me. How me, as a wizard can get R9, when I DON'T have chance earn ingame coins because I'm not APS class? How I can obtain good gear if I cannot farm it or merchandise it, because I have nothing to offer? I like these morons which see just 1 aspect of game and it's TW, which last 15-30 minutes and where is APS non important. But they don't see what is before TW. That all game is depended on gear and some classes DON'T have chance to farm their gear because of stupid APS.

Farming is stupid. That's a stupid argument to claim that APS chars get good gear and you can't. Everyone with good gear either merchants or cash shops and farm a little on the side, I don't really know any hard core F2P farmers left. The reason for that is because it would take too much time and effort to farm anything substantial in this game.

Unrefined, unsharded R9 currently costs 1.9b. Usually people with R9 also shard Jade/Vit with each piece at least +10 or above. Lets see you farm that with any class, you sad, bitter person.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Farming is stupid. That's a stupid argument to claim that APS chars get good gear and you can't. Everyone with good gear either merchants or cash shops and farm a little on the side, I don't really know any hard core F2P farmers left. The reason for that is because it would take too much time and effort to farm anything substantial in this game.

Unrefined, unsharded R9 currently costs 1.9b. Usually people with R9 also shard Jade/Vit with each piece at least +10 or above. Lets see you farm that with any class, you sad, bitter person.

Ok. Look on nirvana. If I would able to farm nirvana I would make lot of coins. That's mean I could buy another gear, refine it. But if I have no chance to get into the farming squad like nirvana or TT I have no chance to get money from game. And that's problem of APS classes which push out magic classes from earning money.

Sunked - Lost City

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok. Look on nirvana. If I would able to farm nirvana I would make lot of coins. That's mean I could buy another gear, refine it. But if I have no chance to get into the farming squad like nirvana or TT I have no chance to get money from game. And that's problem of APS classes which push out magic classes from earning money.

2 bilion coinz / 500.000 coinz from nv run / 4 runs per day = 2.7 years of farming nv everyday, sry but even if u start the day pwi started u r not able to farm your rank 9 in nv, not to mention refines + shrads

Quilue - Sanctuary

^

Assuming gold doesn't keep rising...2 rep sales ago it was less than 1b for full R9...lol

The game is heavily tipped against farmers.

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear

asldfkj wrote: »

why are people so stupid and ignorant, the game revolves around TW. And in TW aps is pretty irrelevant. 5 aps archer will use bow in tw, not hes fists/claws.......

Anyone who brings up mass pvp (wich tw is) then that is geting tottaly ingored. People are just jealous and butthurt that THEY dont have 5 aps sin. And no brainzzz to make some money with vendor shops.

Only thing i agree that non aps people have harder time in pve (nirvy).

The point is, that they shouldn't HAVE TO roll a sin or bm or whatever just to be able to participate in things like Nirvana. I hate the fact that I have to start working again on a sin I abandoned like a year ago just so later on I can get into instances I wouldn't otherwise be able to set foot in on my main toons (namely this Mystic and eventually my Seeker). Unless of course you get a really awesome faction or friends that will take you anyway. Even then people QQ about this or that taking "so much longer".

I remember when farming TT3-2/3 took well over 2 hours at times before the APS craze. I really don't care how long it takes. And Nirvana was a joke before APS really was obtained in the first place. Those bosses were only difficult in the sense you had to know what their behavior was. The instance was still easy enough to complete with a rainbow squad and now it's stupidly easy with APS squads. And yet people wont take you unless you're some OP class with 5 APS. That's what the problem is. The game lacks balance.

The rest of us shouldn't have to conform to other peoples standards just to be able to enjoy certain content of the game. I find the Assassin class to be completely boring to be quite honest, but it's the only way at this point I'll really be able to farm for what I will need later on barring the fact that I also merchant best I can.

You could say "go back to your veno/cleric" but there are other reasons I quit them for the most part lol. I played my cleric for 2+ years and am tired of it. Veno I used to solo farm TT3-1 and some of 3-2 but they changed TT in such a way that I can't really use her for that anymore. So she's just my crafting alt these days. I don't enjoy them much anymore.

Decus - Dreamweaver

LenieClarke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

what's merchanting got to do with what your character can offer in combat?

shush, quiet, i'll whisper you a secret: many bigtime merchants sell stuff out of their catshops that they've never used or needed for themselves. folks who can offer 1* dragon orbs by the west arch jewelcraftsman for 130k coin apiece, they're plenty good enough at math to have figured out you can save money by never using those things to refine anything with --- not even combined up into higher level orbs. some people make a fortune shifting tens of thousands of rep badges, yet never get rank themselves.

i don't know about farming, but merchanting can get you anything you please in this game using nothing but a level-10 catshop alt. what your wizard can do in TT never enters the equation.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Farming is stupid. That's a stupid argument to claim that APS chars get good gear and you can't. Everyone with good gear either merchants or cash shops and farm a little on the side, I don't really know any hard core F2P farmers left. The reason for that is because it would take too much time and effort to farm anything substantial in this game.

Unrefined, unsharded R9 currently costs 1.9b. Usually people with R9 also shard Jade/Vit with each piece at least +10 or above. Lets see you farm that with any class, you sad, bitter person.

Sunked - Lost City wrote: »

2 bilion coinz / 500.000 coinz from nv run / 4 runs per day = 2.7 years of farming nv everyday, sry but even if u start the day pwi started u r not able to farm your rank 9 in nv, not to mention refines + shrads

Don't bother to rationalise with him/her. Idiots will be idiots, now and forever. There will be people that are so blinded by sheer stupidity as to block out all other information. I'd've directed him/her to WarrenWolfy's merching blog or even a simple search on merching but, frankly, I'd rather this game lose one more moron.

b:sweat

Revenge - Raging Tide

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The point is, that they shouldn't HAVE TO roll a sin or bm or whatever just to be able to participate in things like Nirvana. I hate the fact that I have to start working again on a sin I abandoned like a year ago just so later on I can get into instances I wouldn't otherwise be able to set foot in on my main toons (namely this Mystic and eventually my Seeker). Unless of course you get a really awesome faction or friends that will take you anyway. Even then people QQ about this or that taking "so much longer".

I remember when farming TT3-2/3 took well over 2 hours at times before the APS craze. I really don't care how long it takes. And Nirvana was a joke before APS really was obtained in the first place. Those bosses were only difficult in the sense you had to know what their behavior was. The instance was still easy enough to complete with a rainbow squad and now it's stupidly easy with APS squads. And yet people wont take you unless you're some OP class with 5 APS. That's what the problem is. The game lacks balance.

The rest of us shouldn't have to conform to other peoples standards just to be able to enjoy certain content of the game. I find the Assassin class to be completely boring to be quite honest, but it's the only way at this point I'll really be able to farm for what I will need later on barring the fact that I also merchant best I can.

You could say "go back to your veno/cleric" but there are other reasons I quit them for the most part lol. I played my cleric for 2+ years and am tired of it. Veno I used to solo farm TT3-1 and some of 3-2 but they changed TT in such a way that I can't really use her for that anymore. So she's just my crafting alt these days. I don't enjoy them much anymore.

hate to tell you, being a caster wont make the run shorter. hell i just got done with a 7hr spam of nirvana with a few casters in squad. took aprox 10~15mins per run. if your "friends" will ***** and moan about an extra 5mins per run, what kinda friends are they? srsly.

asldfkj

too sad that nrivana grinding is not that much, main money comes (in my case) from merchantising, making 5-20(depends on sales and stuff) mil a day by using things called brainzzz. Argument that YOU cant make money other then doing... nothing just bhs, dosent mean EVERYONE ELSE is useless bum.

i didnt make the statement that all that matters is tw, some old statement from perfect world entertainment, that game is balanced around TW.

Second if you spend the money on wiz you would spend geting nice geared 5 aps sin, you could go streight for rank9 and oneshot those 5 aps sins....

but honestly discussing fundamental chance in a game wich is ugly(exept the chars) and old is irrelevant, i am only playing because i have endgame char, yes i have 5 aps sin too, but i play with psy, i dont even use the sin to grind nirvana i got 300 nirvana keys jsut ... the hell of it.


TO end this, i never heared high lvl good geared people (talkinb about NON aps) complain about aps, its allways those poorer people who are jealous.

CyberAlex_RO - Sanctuary

It's not fair if you ask me
what is the difference between sin archer veno bm barb ( or make it archer vs sin )? 0 they all can be 5.0
so why work so hard on a sin or a bm to be 5.0 when u can have a barb 5.0 with more hp
this is not right for bm and sin class if u ask me b:beatenup