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Adroit - Lost City

Cheze - Lost City wrote: »

It's kinda funny that almost everyone thinks bidding 90m on a land worth 30m a week that they'll hold for only 1 week is negative ROI. Intuitively it may seem true, but if you do the math it is actually the correct move.

We make the assumption that instinct will continue to take kage's land week after week. While this probably won't exactly happen since lvl 2 lands are probably their first priority, it's only to simplify the math without effecting the results much.

By overbidding on Arch it reduces instinct's potential land by 1 this week. actually -30m potential, but it also reduce their land by 1 for all future weeks. Suppose future lands are worth only 10m, that is -10m for instinct in all future weeks. Since Kage has 8 lands total, it would add up to instinct losing a total of 30mil + 7 * 10mil = 100mil for future earnings which is instead earned by Kage. This is at a cost of 90m, which means a net profit of 10m.

If you want to really add it all up. Bidding 90m means kage gets +10m this week, followed by 70m next week then 60m 50m 40m 30m 20m 10m. which adds up to 290m.

Not bidding means they get 70m this week, 60m next week (since instinct was not delayed by 1 week), 50m 40m 30m 20m 10m. which adds up to 280m.

Of course like I said this is assuming Kage is gone in 8 weeks. which most likely will not be true, meaning that they in fact gain more than 8 weeks of delay which turns out to be more than 100mil - 90mil of profit.

interesting way of looking at it, but you could also look at it as Instinct may now want to attack KageBushi for "revenge". Perhaps Instinct would have continued through Lionburn to get to 1k, but now it is more likely that we will just wipe KageBushi off the map (in which case they could have made far more money by just letting arch go). Only time will tell xD I hadn't really thought about it from the perspective you described, but you did leave out any emotional responses that could affect the numbers :P

Cheze - Lost City

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

interesting way of looking at it, but you could also look at it as Instinct may now want to attack KageBushi for "revenge". Perhaps Instinct would have continued through Lionburn to get to 1k, but now it is more likely that we will just wipe KageBushi off the map (in which case they could have made far more money by just letting arch go). Only time will tell xD I hadn't really thought about it from the perspective you described, but you did leave out any emotional responses that could affect the numbers :P

However if you consider emotional response, that would mean that instinct is willing to delay taking lvl2 lands to take lvl3 lands. If that is true instinct is essentially giving up even more potential profit that they could have made just so that kage would make less profit. While instinct could force Kage to make slightly less money than if they had not taken arch, they would themselves make a lot less money at the same time. If Kage considers that instinct is losing money for attacking them, they could just as well consider that a victory which does not help a whole lot in terms of revenge. It's just a mini kamikaze. Not to mention Kage made instinct waste the 40m or 50m or whatever bid amount. This also a + for kage even though they don't actually get any of it, any - to the enemy is a + for you.

Amour - Lost City

CharIieSheen - Lost City wrote: »

This 1000 times over.

What's sad is that I know several Kage who arent like the boasters displayed on the forums. And its really sad that they will get lumped in with the ones that make them look bad.

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If it was just shaderine (random?) then it wouldn't be so bad. But it's the leader, the one person who represents and leads the faction (technically) moreso than anyone else. And he made the thread >_>

Shadowroot - Lost City wrote: »

Everything i set up to do has been accomplished on this thread for everyone to see how much Instinct and Vengeful members would make fun of KB for a simple crystal walk when knowing in fact if KB have not outbid Instinct on Arch, this same thread would be posted by any Instinct members instead of me. But don't you think its funny why any vengeful members would want to post reply and try to make fool of them self here when they are no where near Arch, like "Trelmanor" can't even post any valid points but CONTRADICTING himself over and over ( btw you said you were done posting why are you still here o.o? ← another contradiction )

Like i said before for as long as I'm the leader of my own guild, I'll make sure all my members get the most enjoyment out of this game. KB will continue TW with or without allies ( btw Midnight is planning to somehow trade / give lands to Forbiden so they can help Instinct out with a 2x attack o.o ← true or false? b:chuckle )

1) This thread would not have been posted by any Instinct member... as for vengeful, I doubt that too. You seem to think yourselves very important in terms of server hierarchy... like I said before, you have grown considerably and your TWs in the top-right corner of the map are somewhat impressive. With that said, don't think Vengeful or Instinct gives two ****s about anything you do in-game. Instinct is probably the only 'factor' guild you'll see who really won't rage over things like overbids, fake bids, etc. I can only speak for leadership when I say, not one of our officers has sent in a single ticket against KageBushi for their silly little plans. If it was Ess or Venge, you could bet your toush they would do everything in their power.

2) Lol? Cuz we need Forbiden to help us.

Cheze - Lost City wrote: »

However if you consider emotional response, that would mean that instinct is willing to delay taking lvl2 lands to take lvl3 lands. If that is true instinct is essentially giving up even more potential profit that they could have made just so that kage would make less profit. While instinct could force Kage to make slightly less money than if they had not taken arch, they would themselves make a lot less money at the same time. If Kage considers that instinct is losing money for attacking them, they could just as well consider that a victory which does not help a whole lot in terms of revenge. It's just a mini kamikaze. Not to mention Kage made instinct waste the 40m or 50m or whatever bid amount. This also a + for kage even though they don't actually get any of it, any - to the enemy is a + for you.

Money is irrelevant. We will not conquer the map... in fact I'm quite content to stick to ~170m/week and let the rest be divided elsewhere. We haven't made a decision as to how much we'll hold, but the 500+m/week from entire map is definitely not a necessity.

drjiggle

Shadowroot bids on Archosaur and sacrifices 50-60ish M of fake money to continue what is by his own admission essentially a grudge. It's worth it to him to satisfy his emotions. This, apparently, makes him an idiot.

Adroit says Instinct might sacrifice a similar amount (or more) in potential profit from 1K Streams to continue what is by his own admission essentially a grudge. It's worth it to him to satisfy his emotions. This, apparently, makes him a genius.

What am I missing?

Starr - Harshlands

drjiggle wrote: »

Shadowroot bids on Archosaur and sacrifices 50-60ish M of fake money to continue what is by his own admission essentially a grudge. It's worth it to him to satisfy his emotions. This, apparently, makes him an idiot.

Adroit says Instinct might sacrifice a similar amount (or more) in potential profit from 1K Streams to continue what is by his own admission essentially a grudge. It's worth it to him to satisfy his emotions. This, apparently, makes him a genius.

What am I missing?

shadowroot was an idiot long before he bid on anything.

Adroit - Lost City

drjiggle wrote: »

Shadowroot bids on Archosaur and sacrifices 50-60ish M of fake money to continue what is by his own admission essentially a grudge. It's worth it to him to satisfy his emotions. This, apparently, makes him an idiot.

Adroit says Instinct might sacrifice a similar amount (or more) in potential profit from 1K Streams to continue what is by his own admission essentially a grudge. It's worth it to him to satisfy his emotions. This, apparently, makes him a genius.

What am I missing?

I never said it was worth it to satisfy my emotions. I just gave a potential outcome.. I am a new member of Instinct with very little influence, not that I really even care which lands we bid on. I'm just not as concerned with a few mil split 100-200 ways when I probably won't be around long enough to see any noticeable long term gains.

To answer your question, you are missing the part where anyone cares what you think. As far back as I can remember, you brag about quitting yet spend all your time on the forums looking for anything that could even resembles hypocrisy.. and then twist/make things up when it isn't there. You really wouldn't need to twist what people said or make things up if you just looked to your own posts for material.

Sunked - Lost City

Starr - Harshlands wrote: »

shadowroot was an idiot long before he bid on anything.

b:cute u r confused my friend, its not about shadowroot from harshlands, here sit in the corner and have a cookie *presses silent alarm button*

anyway...

Ofc insitinct is only factor faction on the map atm and they would take 8 Kage's lands in 8 weeks if they wanted to... but things fortunately are not that easy.

Kage will be gaining lands every week, tri force is still force to reckon and not exactly great friends with insinct, vengeful alliance, well will last as long as its good to both sides, Instinct is not as strong as essence, and essence could barely withstand double attack, what if kage/lion/tri will decide to tripleattack? what if vengeful gets bored of being non factor guild. All given instinct may take 1k eventually but from kage's hands. Map not going to be 1 color for long time still.

BelIanova - Lost City

Sunked - Lost City wrote: »

b:cute u r confused my friend, its not about shadowroot from harshlands, here sit in the corner and have a cookie *presses silent alarm button*

anyway...

Ofc insitinct is only factor faction on the map atm and they would take 8 Kage's lands in 8 weeks if they wanted to... but things fortunately are not that easy.

Kage will be gaining lands every week, tri force is still force to reckon and not exactly great friends with insinct, vengeful alliance, well will last as long as its good to both sides, Instinct is not as strong as essence, and essence could barely withstand double attack, what if kage/lion/tri will decide to tripleattack? what if vengeful gets bored of being non factor guild. All given instinct may take 1k eventually but from kage's hands. Map not going to be 1 color for long time still.

Here's the only real problem with what you're suggesting.


1. KB can't go south because they can't stand a 1 vs 1 againts Instinct atm.

2. LB wont help them in double or triple attack them cause lets be honest the mayority of the guild don't like LB to begin with. Only faction that hasn't really earned the land they have.

3. I seen LB pking KB so that even says this might not happen.

4. KB can only either wait and loose their land to Instinct or they can start going west and fight Darkness or LB to keep even in land.

5. If KB decides to loose land and start attacking Vengeful they will need to double attack them cause vengeful is still a strong guild. 1 vs 1 I see KB loosing againts Vengeful in 20-40 minutes maybe.

That's just what I see for KB scenerio or I could be way wrong.

Much respect for KB, one of the few guilds that's earned every single land they have.

Ketania - Heavens Tear

Kagebushi = Dominus of HT?

Susamajii - Lost City

Instinct thinks they will get 1k? Do they think they can take out Tri-Force that easily because we will hold that land before they get there.

Falon - Lost City

Susamajii - Lost City wrote: »

Instinct thinks they will get 1k? Do they think they can take out Tri-Force that easily because we will hold that land before they get there.

Instinct's not even going for 1k.

drjiggle

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

To answer your question, you are missing the part where anyone cares what you think. As far back as I can remember, you brag about quitting yet spend all your time on the forums looking for anything that could even resembles hypocrisy.. and then twist/make things up when it isn't there. You really wouldn't need to twist what people said or make things up if you just looked to your own posts for material.

I've never bragged about quitting. In fact, you're the one who keeps bringing it up.

I may be guilty of twisting things from time to time for rhetorical effect, but I don't think I've ever made up anything I've posted.

Channman - Lost City

http://www.kagebushi.spruz.com/gfile/75r4!-!HKHEHK!-!zrzor45!-!HFDDEJGN-MEIM-HEJJ-LPOM-FKOKHPSLJEKK!-!72y1nq/kgb_love.jpg

Sunked - Lost City wrote: »

midnight wasted same amount of coinz ijs, and if 100mil is so unimaginable fortune for u/ur guild end game... well maybe consider changing ur money earning strategy cose thats not even 2 decent shards

LOL even i have 100mill guess ChaseyLain is to poor to get it even at that level

Risingson - Lost City

trelmanor - Lost City wrote: »

lmao--- Nice Job Shadow--- You Really Stuck It To Instinct And Vengeful----

90 Million Coin To Gain Back 30 Mil Before You Lose That Land Next Week Is Simply An Amazing Investment.

Sure Hope You Aren't An Investment Banker In Real Life

But Actually I Am Sure You Will Find A Way To "out-bid" Instinct Again This Coming Week To Protect Archo From The Evil Guilds That Want To Take It Away From You.

Also.... Not Too Sure What Makes You Think That Vengeful Wants Archo... Even Though I No Longer Play The Game, I Still Know A Few People In That Guild And According To My Sources They Are Actually (and Yes Brace Yourself For This Revelation) Willing To Share The Map... That Would Mean That Instinct Will Have Archo While They Try And Control Cities On The Left Side Of The Mp...like 1k Streams Etc.


Not Every Guild Wants Total Control Of The Map... Some Actually Prefer To Have On Going Tw's Instead Of Trying To Dominate The Entire Map.

As For Diesel Being Leader And Wadzio Being The Vocal One... Maybe Diesel Just Sees It Like This... You Are Not Worth The Time And Effort To Respond To---i Never Really Had Anything Against Anyone In Kb While I Still Played... But The Presence Of Some Of Your Members And Your Inane Responses To Wc And Forum Posts Have Changed My Mind.

While I Can't Say That I Am Glad To See That Essence Disbanded... I Do Take Some Pleasure In Knowing That You Are No Longer Going To Be Allowed To Simply Hold Your Precious Land W/o A Fight... Hold On Tight Kb Cause The Fight Has Just Begun For You Guys.... Round Up All The Tw Bid Support You Can In The Hopes Of Not Allowing An Instinct Tw Bid To Succeed For I Fear The End Of Kb On The Tw Map Is Near........

Come back, ****.

Btw, Knights was the first faction to take Archo after the reset, we did the PvE war. KageBushi just had to do a crystal walk. Don't compare.

edit : @Amour, KB did not fight Knights to own the lands. They wiped other factions like Dogma off the map with our help, but did not fight us.

Sunked - Lost City

1. KB can't go south because they can't stand a 1 vs 1 againts Instinct atm.

KB can easily progress west for few weeks

2. LB wont help them in double or triple attack them cause lets be honest the mayority of the guild don't like LB to begin with. Only faction that hasn't really earned the land they have.

3. I seen LB pking KB so that even says this might not happen.

KB and LB are KOS atm but enemy of ur enemy is ur friend

4. KB can only either wait and loose their land to Instinct or they can start going west and fight Darkness or LB to keep even in land.

Not sure how stroing LB rly are but looking forward to findout

5. If KB decides to loose land and start attacking Vengeful they will need to double attack them cause vengeful is still a strong guild. 1 vs 1 I see KB loosing againts Vengeful in 20-40 minutes maybe.

Vengefull can turn against Instinct at any time

That's just what I see for KB scenerio or I could be way wrong.

On the side note its funny how Instinct, guild remade like 4 times forgot about essence so quick just cose they changed name.

Kookaburra - Lost City

im a Kookaburra and i will solely rule the map

yashino

long time no see,
got bored
read this
lol'd

btw many of cq/kami/w.etheirnewguildis core members play LoL more than PWI, so doubt they care .

Spliffany - Lost City

Amour wrote:

I MADE Essence with Elayne, on November 16th, 2009.

http://youtu.be/IS7Og1zvdy8

syl

I heard Essence's name was RainRush's idea, and he was also in that party when Essence was made. *whistles away innocently*

Annastasia - Lost City

Sunked - Lost City wrote: »

b:cute u r confused my friend, its not about shadowroot from harshlands, here sit in the corner and have a cookie *presses silent alarm button*

anyway...

Ofc insitinct is only factor faction on the map atm and they would take 8 Kage's lands in 8 weeks if they wanted to... but things fortunately are not that easy.

Kage will be gaining lands every week, tri force is still force to reckon and not exactly great friends with insinct, vengeful alliance, well will last as long as its good to both sides, Instinct is not as strong as essence, and essence could barely withstand double attack, what if kage/lion/tri will decide to tripleattack? what if vengeful gets bored of being non factor guild. All given instinct may take 1k eventually but from kage's hands. Map not going to be 1 color for long time still.

i am not confused. i just didnt take the time to switch avatars. Anna/Starr

tbh i highly doubt that anyone in Instinct or Vengeful gives a flying rats *** about some non factor kid spending all his coin to say he owns Arch. let kg and lionburn or what ever other non factor lil guild fight it out and waste all their coin. 30 mil divided up into 200 people is not that much. i can easily make 30 mil in a day farming hh and nv. but i lack any motivation to do much more than pick up keys and a occasional bh.

i have to say this thread did give me 45 seconds of laughter. shadowroot is at least good for a short laugh.

Channman - Lost City

Annastasia - Lost City wrote: »

i am not confused. i just didnt take the time to switch avatars. Anna/Starr

tbh i highly doubt that anyone in Instinct or Vengeful gives a flying rats *** about some non factor kid spending all his coin to say he owns Arch. let kg and lionburn or what ever other non factor lil guild fight it out and waste all their coin. 30 mil divided up into 200 people is not that much. i can easily make 30 mil in a day farming hh and nv. but i lack any motivation to do much more than pick up keys and a occasional bh.

i have to say this thread did give me 45 seconds of laughter. shadowroot is at least good for a short laugh.

LOL all his coins wow you know nothing b:bye

shaderine

Annastasia - Lost City wrote: »

i am not confused. i just didnt take the time to switch avatars. Anna/Starr

tbh i highly doubt that anyone in Instinct or Vengeful gives a flying rats *** about some non factor kid spending all his coin to say he owns Arch. let kg and lionburn or what ever other non factor lil guild fight it out and waste all their coin. 30 mil divided up into 200 people is not that much. i can easily make 30 mil in a day farming hh and nv. but i lack any motivation to do much more than pick up keys and a occasional bh.

i have to say this thread did give me 45 seconds of laughter. shadowroot is at least good for a short laugh.

Lmao at yr post we did not spend money just to say we own archo... omg are u really that stupid?? We get a lot out of owning that land, also we have slowed instinct down by 1 week on taking our land. They also lost 50mil which was nice to know. We get 100mil this week that covers our bid for archo we have owned land for weeks now also giving us alot money for these things. TW pay, do you really think we care about this ?? 30mil between 200 lmao again only 80 people can go TW and again we own more than archo!

About this non factor ****!!

Let me get this right we are a non factor because you can beat us? If this is the case then when Tri-Force comes on the map you will be a non factor as well. LMAO As they will beat you, gratz on become a non factor like all us other guilds. And you say you look forward to us been wiped off the wipe, we look forward to seeing you get the same. We will own land for a long time yet. and we will do all in our power to help this along!!! b:sin

Keep up the good posts >.>

Bictorr - Lost City

Oh yes, delicious pathetic e-debates.

Amour - Lost City

1) Triforce =/= Essence
2) I love RainRush b:crush

Sun_Burn - Lost City

Amour - Lost City wrote: »

1) Triforce =/= Essence

gonna have to disagree although I only log in for TWs now, but from what i've seen in forums Triforce has 'most of' the same egotistical nutjobs, + a few extra, that Ess had.

So yes TriForce = Essence: different name, same bigmouthed, trashtalking, interweb nerds.

Stupidity - Lost City

Sun_Burn - Lost City wrote: »

gonna have to disagree although I only log in for TWs now, but from what i've seen in forums Triforce has 'most of' the same egotistical nutjobs, + a few extra, that Ess had.

So yes TriForce = Essence: different name, same bigmouthed, trashtalking, interweb nerds.

Tri-Force is certainly not Essence. Essence was a well oiled TW machine. Tri-Force is me setting forth my plague of battle worn minions upon the world map to achieve the thing no other guild did "the safeing of the server" from the greede pirates of Instinct.

N00bs rejoice! For your salvation cometh in the form of TRI-FORCE! We will offer you sanctuary and hope where Vengeful and Instinct will leave you only with empty hearts and broken dreams! RISE UP AND LETS TAKE BACK OUR SERVER!

Thank you

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_Nuriko_ - Lost City

The more i read this, the more i think KageBushi is full of idiots.

Snoozer - Lost City

_Nuriko_ - Lost City wrote: »

The more i read this, the more i think Trappe is some kind of evil yet **** genius.

Fixed.

Channman - Lost City

_Nuriko_ - Lost City wrote: »

The more i read this, the more i think KageBushi is full of idiots.

bat >.< dont make me pk chu

Stupidity - Lost City

Is that like a lesser genius or a really clever ******?