Change the rules for INI edits

CactiHeart - Heavens Tear

*Chews on thread.* It is rather tasty while still somewhat living!

Xainou - Sanctuary

Anyone else noticed... earthguard eyes on other classes always look like nearly crying in the character window? lol I love the shininess of them but it's a fact xD

Oh oh and I saw someone who had made a lion barb with the same weird proportions as the tigers: Huge head and human sized body xD

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

I'm going to end up doing it anyway soon. I just don't want a surprise account ban if the GMs actually decide to enforce the rule.

Xainou - Sanctuary

Can't say I've heard of someone getting permabanned over it o.o
Actually I didn't see anyone I know or met around who was asked to change his looks lol
Maybe that means I dunno the right people, maybe GMs just don't give a damn. *shrugs*

truekossy

Probably the latter.

Like with multiclienting, FC glitch, etc. They're all legal as long as nobody reports you. b:sweat

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary

truekossy wrote: »

Probably the latter.

Like with multiclienting, FC glitch, etc. They're all legal as long as nobody reports you. b:sweat

that reminds me of what my english teacher always said XD
"you are allowed to cheat on your test, as long as I don't see it"
P:

Xainou - Sanctuary

bump.

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

-sigh-
Good thing college is taking up most of my time. Otherwise I'd glare at the forums all day.

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary

bumping this. >.>

and college is taking up loads of time indeed ._.

Xainou - Sanctuary

*runs past and bumps into Hazu* xD

It's funny, you keep seeing more and more edits lately xD Especially pure red haired archers seem very popular

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

Bump. Anyone else notice a huge amount of negativity on the forums lately? Everyone is just yelling at each other even when someone just asks a simple question. It's getting ridiculous. This is like the only thread now with a controversial topic that doesn't have people screaming at each other.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Kitkate - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Bump. Anyone else notice a huge amount of negativity on the forums lately? Everyone is just yelling at each other even when someone just asks a simple question. It's getting ridiculous. This is like the only thread now with a controversial topic that doesn't have people screaming at each other.

b:angry LOUD NOISES b:angryb:angry

b:laughb:mischievous

krittycat

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »

bumping this. >.>

and college is taking up loads of time indeed ._.

I would agree... if I were in school right now. Alas, I can't apply for the class I want until spring, because I just missed the cut-off for registration. b:sad

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver

Kitkate - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Bump. Anyone else notice a huge amount of negativity on the forums lately? Everyone is just yelling at each other even when someone just asks a simple question. It's getting ridiculous. This is like the only thread now with a controversial topic that doesn't have people screaming at each other.

It's why I usually hang around Fanatics, off topic and screenies, where all of the nice people are these days.
Me no likey mean stuffs b:surrender
(all for INI Edits! I love the shiny EG eyes, do want!)

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

Right Now I'm having issues with my roommates and its getting out of hand. College is no fun at all. ._.

I might start just hanging around the fanatics forum too. General Discussion is just everyone wants to kick each others ***. I used to spend a lot of time in suggestions but lately the suggestions have gotten stupid and everyone just yells at each other.

-sigh-

Btw. INI Edits need to be legal. =D

Xainou - Sanctuary

I saw a sexy female sin with earthguard eyes Soooo much prettier than the tideborn eyes.

Allow it already

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

No way this thread still alive O.O

Yami_ - Dreamweaver

As the current rules stand, harmless INI edits are not handled justly. Some people are banned for benign modifications, while others are left alone after repeatedly being reported. GMs themselves can use advanced modifications. There is obviously no harm in the modifications we want to be able to do, and thus no necessity for this unjust, unequal, and inconsistent enforcement that is in practice today.

If, hypothetically, the GMs were to start equally banning every player who used an INI edit on their game characters, then quite a large percentage of the game's population(paying customers) would be banned. The current rules against INI edits are simply inappropriate, outdated,and unenforceable.

Other versions of this game have allowed INI edits; and as far as we know, which in this subject is pretty far, there is no reason why the moderate edits listed shouldn't be allowed here.


1. We want to be able to put any race's hairstyles and facial hair, such as that of EG's and TB's, onto any other classes/races.

2. We want to be able to modify our eye textures.

3. We want to be able to freely modify our skin, eye, eyebrow, hair, facial hair, lip, and eye makeup colors using any dimensions of the colors given on the full spectrum.

4. In accordance with the common idea, body size INI edits would not be allowed as they have the potential to be abusive.

So, I can make a Veno with a Tideborn hair, or a Barb with hair? From what I understood from the post above, I can't make changes that makes fuss with the game, like extra fat or extra slim chars, but a hair change won't will affect the gameplay of anyone.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So, I can make a Veno with a Tideborn hair, or a Barb with hair? From what I understood from the post above, I can't make changes that makes fuss with the game, like extra fat or extra slim chars, but a hair change won't will affect the gameplay of anyone.

No, you can't it's bannable on the American servers such as Dreamweaver. That's why this is a petition. Petitions call for some kind of change. If you'd like to see the rule changed to allow non harmful edits such as TB hair on other classes then just bump this thread.

Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary

04-18-201 ~ 10-17-2011 and still running.
I mean c'mon. Tomorrow it's been half a year... ._." give us allowed .ini edits as a prezzie

krittycat

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

No way this thread still alive O.O

It would appear so.b:chuckle

Yami_ - Dreamweaver

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, you can't it's bannable on the American servers such as Dreamweaver. That's why this is a petition. Petitions call for some kind of change. If you'd like to see the rule changed to allow non harmful edits such as TB hair on other classes then just bump this thread.

Yea, but when I see even the mods makeing fun I feel like a idiot to keeping posting there.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver

Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yea, but when I see even the mods makeing fun I feel like a idiot to keeping posting there.

The mods are just players like you and me, just post here or on the forums in general as much as you want. ^^

Yami_ - Dreamweaver

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The mods are just players like you and me, just post here or on the forums in general as much as you want. ^^

Sorry I thought that they are employees.

krittycat

Yami_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sorry I thought that they are employees.

Nope. We volunteer here to keep the forums as friendly as possible for new posters. Just don't mind the trolls in General Discussion.b:shocked

Skull_Howl - Lost City

My question is: What are the current rules on INI editing?b:surrender

_blood_rain - Sanctuary

Skull_Howl - Lost City wrote: »

My question is: What are the current rules on INI editing?b:surrender

Currently not allowed at all. supposedly. But I have not seen anyone banned for it in a long time, and even before it became as common as it is today, it was unequally enforced.

Yet for some reason, it is allowed on the European servers .-. ._.

Skull_Howl - Lost City

How I see it, the GMs, and a few game players, bring up the ToS. I've read and understand their points of view. Even so, I do not agree with them for one purpose: There is no true harm. People can mention the ToS all they want, including GMs, but can they give me a true example of someone being downright disturbed in game play by a few .ini edit? If so, how many can you provide? Before you even mention any of those numbers, consider them in ratio to the number of people that really don't care and, more importantly, to the size of this game's community. By that point, you've realized just how pointless the ToS argument is. You use your power and say, "I am a GM, this is in the ToS, so my word (or this word) is final." So far, that hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Some will even come to say, "Don't like it? Deal with it." or even "If you don't want to get in trouble, don't do it." maybe even "It's a game, it isn't that serious." If you are thinking that and/or anything related, you are fairly simple minded. I, as a partial gamer, really couldn't care less about some of the things I here but the argument AGAINST this particular subject is pretty absurd. For everyone that manually edits the .ini files, it is enhancing their game play one way and/or another. Most the people that even argue in favor of this subject are not only loyal (even if only somewhat) players to this game but are customers as well. If anyone would like to bring up the ToS again, think of the recent allowances and pardons that have been granted that exploited and/or provided unfair advantages. Some of the things that go unnoticed, allowed or pardoned in this game now exploit, provide unfair advantages, etc. to players that use them that others are either unaware of or don't have access to. Yes, editing .ini files may exploit a very minor aspect in the production of this game but what harm does it do? What unfair advantage does it provide? In the end, long term and short term, as long as it is managed properly, it has no harm. Yes, outrages edits and such should not be allowed. With that, I do agree, but anything beyond that only enhances game experience and, a lot of times, attracts new players for a lot of players would love to be able to OPENLY edit their looks and not have to worry about being banned or having action taken against them. You can say, "Not everyone is aware of or knows how to do this type of editing." Simple response: Ask someone to teach you or look it up. THAT part is truly that simple. To finalize this argument, my question is: GMs, staff of PWE and players of PWE games, what negativity does manually editing the .ini files bring to the PWE community, AS A WHOLE? If there is any, is it even worth wasting time, patience and energy over?

Skull_Howl - Lost City

_blood_rain - Sanctuary wrote: »

Currently not allowed at all. supposedly. But I have not seen anyone banned for it in a long time, and even before it became as common as it is today, it was unequally enforced.

Yet for some reason, it is allowed on the European servers .-. ._.

That says a lot. I wonder how much of the PWE community knows about such a thing.

Kitkate - Dreamweaver

Skull_Howl - Lost City wrote: »

How I see it, the GMs, and a few game players, bring up the ToS. I've read and understand their points of view. Even so, I do not agree with them for one purpose: There is no true harm. People can mention the ToS all they want, including GMs, but can they give me a true example of someone being downright disturbed in game play by a few .ini edit? If so, how many can you provide? Before you even mention any of those numbers, consider them in ratio to the number of people that really don't care and, more importantly, to the size of this game's community. By that point, you've realized just how pointless the ToS argument is. You use your power and say, "I am a GM, this is in the ToS, so my word (or this word) is final." So far, that hasn't gotten anyone anywhere. Some will even come to say, "Don't like it? Deal with it." or even "If you don't want to get in trouble, don't do it." maybe even "It's a game, it isn't that serious." If you are thinking that and/or anything related, you are fairly simple minded. I, as a partial gamer, really couldn't care less about some of the things I here but the argument AGAINST this particular subject is pretty absurd. For everyone that manually edits the .ini files, it is enhancing their game play one way and/or another. Most the people that even argue in favor of this subject are not only loyal (even if only somewhat) players to this game but are customers as well. If anyone would like to bring up the ToS again, think of the recent allowances and pardons that have been granted that exploited and/or provided unfair advantages. Some of the things that go unnoticed, allowed or pardoned in this game now exploit, provide unfair advantages, etc. to players that use them that others are either unaware of or don't have access to. Yes, editing .ini files may exploit a very minor aspect in the production of this game but what harm does it do? What unfair advantage does it provide? In the end, long term and short term, as long as it is managed properly, it has no harm. Yes, outrages edits and such should not be allowed. With that, I do agree, but anything beyond that only enhances game experience and, a lot of times, attracts new players for a lot of players would love to be able to OPENLY edit their looks and not have to worry about being banned or having action taken against them. You can say, "Not everyone is aware of or knows how to do this type of editing." Simple response: Ask someone to teach you or look it up. THAT part is truly that simple. To finalize this argument, my question is: GMs, staff of PWE and players of PWE games, what negativity does manually editing the .ini files bring to the PWE community, AS A WHOLE? If there is any, is it even worth wasting time, patience and energy over?

Nice wall of text man. It hurt my eyes to read it. b:chuckle
But yeah, what you said is basically what everyone coming in here is saying. As long as the edits are merely hair, eyes, and skin color...it shouldnt be a problem.

I think they are just scared that if they allowed it, then it means they would actually have to monitor the game otherwise people would start doing the "too skinny" characters or the ones extremely messed up proportionally (giant ****, tiny head, tiny waist and huge ***) and there would be a lot of complaints about how they mess up pvp, they are ugly, etc.

I'm all for changing hairstyles or update the old existing ones. Pwi just wont do it.