Power Leveling

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  • Lurani - Raging Tide
    Lurani - Raging Tide Posts: 344 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Personally i can care less about power leveling, personally never done it in all my time on PWI. (Aint my only character.) But i just find it a meh factor when people who get power leveled to what ever level or end game then pretend there amazing at everything...yet know nothing? That gets annoying. I mean if you can play your character well enough, and know what your doing then go power level who cares. I just don't enjoy being in a squad where half or 2 people don't know how to play there class right and i have to tell another psyc what to use and what not to use in instances or when to BoL/etc, or psycs who for some reason vigor themselves and not the barb even tho there hitting a boss that does no aoe damage and there not stealing agro, just tarded. //Rant over. b:shutup
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  • Ephemera - Raging Tide
    Ephemera - Raging Tide Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    but wouldnt maturity also be ... reading this topic .. and actually staying on topic and posting something that counts... i mean if u feel the erge to post on the irrelavants and not what was asked (pro;s and con's of power leveling) the maturity person would just leave it alone ^^ +1 for me? that puts my score at 7 now.... sorry cant count :/

    Oh god, I give up on trying to read this thread. Every one of your responses gets worse; I think my IQ has dropped significantly just by trying to make sense of your jumbled posts. And as for the last part of that second quote...you're talking about maturity, yet your posts reflect none of it whatsoever. If you don't want people going off topic and talking about your issues with punctuation, you could try cleaning up your posts so it's actually bearable to read them.

    As for powerleveling, there's really not a problem with people who already have high level chars powering alts through to endgame. What IS problematic is when new players powerlevel, and then you end up with level 80s asking who Wyvern is, or not knowing what Amp and Purge are--when they're a veno.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    u dont know me though :/ all u know is that i have bad grammer how could u possible talk of what kind of player i am when ive never met you in game.... the mystery is how i managed to get on ur bad sidd.... :/ i just want to know everyones thoughts on power leveling... that is all. but please elaborate ... please tell me what kind of player i am and if ur not saying legendary or epic .... id say ur wrong b:chuckle
    You'd get on anyone's bad side if you try to brag about your "net worth" and how many teles you waste as a way to rationalize powerleveling. You'll notice I'm not the only one here that doesn't take you seriously.
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  • Freizer - Lost City
    Freizer - Lost City Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    yea i run my own faction i invite all players to join and when doing there fb's( for the noobs) i teach them how aggro works... which isnt very easy to completely understand but once u got it u got it... and they only thing i hate when explaining the rules of aggro is trying to tell them how a barb can hold multimobs with a sword skill ... because i dont even know the name of the skill >.> but i usally tell them if they see golden swords then u know its war b:victory

    Had to make sure I read that right....
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The Good. For those of us that already have a few high-level (95+) toons, it's nice to skip over the middle stuff. We're already familiar with game-mechanics and just need to adapt to the new skills.

    The Bad. People who aren't really familiar with the game mechanics, who are new to the game, or are unable to figure out new skills, or learn to properly level them before being counted on in a squad situation, **** up the game experience for those of us that do actually know how to play. Which is why there is SO much QQing about it.

    By the 80's a cleric should know to purify on Clacid, Wyvern, Drake, Glutt, Nob, and Pole.
    A veno should have Amp and Lending hands and know how/when to use them.
    BM's, Sins, Psy's, Wizards, and Archers, regardless of APS or DD power should know how to fight a boss without taking aggro.
    Sadly, the bad is more common than the good. Hence the QQing.

    @Bold: I knew that at lvl 40 @_@....
    Then again I didn't give a **** about aggro when I was getting this char up in lvl's since it's my second BM (first is 100...this is going to be the second at 100 @_@)

    Anyhow....I personally love to make squad's look at my BM and go "WTF!? IS THIS BM ****ING NUTS!?" cause of pulls, boss moves, etc that I do.
    Sadly I wish they would change slash boss in Frost back to 3 seconds so I can keep DD'ing it w/o death :(
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  • hines86ward
    hines86ward Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Looking at the concept of power-leveling logically, it seems to be just a simple black and white scenario in which the answer to the "yay or nay" question depends on what kind of person is taking advantage of it.
    (I'll be referencing only FC runs as an example, but my rational here applies to all forms of power-leveling)

    Certain players will painstakingly grind their way up to the top, clock in countless hours and obtain a strong grasp on how the game works. This type of player knows his class from experience. This player is knowledgeable enough to work their way through the ins and outs of whatever new class he or she might be making in the future. These players will never view power-leveling as an absolute necessity, but also knows that it can be done, in moderation, that it doesn't compromise the integrity of said character.

    The other kind of player will see power-leveling as a way to reach the top and get all the best gear and such in the quickest amount of time possible. I'll make the blunt assumption that this person care a little more about this game than is healthy: to think that simply by being a "pro" character that they are impressing someone who actually matters in their life. One can power-level and cash shop his or her way to godliness without putting in a fraction of the time or work spent by those of us who actually play the game to play the game. Whether a veteran or a "newbie", this kind of player will see "WTS FC run 500k..etc" and take the bait every time, just to get to level 100.

    The issue I have with power-leveling is that because of it, reaching a high level is no longer an achievement. The way things should be is that players who are level 80+ should be viewed with the assumption that they are experienced, knowledgeable and dedicated players, worthy of respect. Unfortunately, due to the ease of which power-leveling can be done, those who have played the game without cutting corners can no longer be distinguished between those who cash shopped for all their gear and cut corners for their levels. Characters with actual substance now exist in anonymity.

    Nobody -really- wants to cash shop. In stage terms, that's "breaking the fourth wall". The point of any kind of video game is that it casts it's players into a new "world" (so to speak) in which real-life factors don't reflect on the game. It's completely understandable that players who'v legitimately worked for their high level without cash shopping want to keep as much of their gaming experience *IN GAME* as possible. Selling FC runs is just another way of playing the market.

    It's full of negative consequences. It's shady, but it's legit.

    In short, power-leveling ruins the pride and respect that *ALL* high level characters deserve. Those of us who enable others to power-level for our own benefit are simply exploiting a personality defect that many have, to cut corners with no thought of any kind of consequence.
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    yea i run my own faction i invite all players to join and when doing there fb's( for the noobs) i teach them how aggro works... which isnt very easy to completely understand but once u got it u got it... and they only thing i hate when explaining the rules of aggro is trying to tell them how a barb can hold multimobs with a sword skill ... because i dont even know the name of the skill >.> but i usally tell them if they see golden swords then u know its war b:victory

    This skill is called roar and it's not a sword skill that is just what the animation looks like.
    Pet's also have this skill but it's single target only.


    There is also aplha male which is a little harder to explain cause idk if you can see somebody use it or if it's only shown on their screen but basically it's like a dragon icon that shows largely on your screen and then pounds over to character to symbolize they have taken aggro by making the mob more angry at them.....it's very weird b:sweat
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  • LenieClarke - Heavens Tear
    LenieClarke - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,275 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    _Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »
    This skill is called roar and it's not a sword skill that is just what the animation looks like.
    Pet's also have this skill but it's single target only.

    also, roar is not for HOLDING aggro, just for GETTING it. when a barb roars, that's a clue to the DDs to ease up for a few and let the barb get a proper hold on all that just-reset aggro or they'll steal it. (when a veno pet roars, that's usually because the tank just died and the veno's doing a hail-mary pet tanking gambit hoping to last long enough for that tank to get ressed and rebuffed.)
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  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Freizer - Lost City wrote: »
    I have been on topic the duration of my posting here. You are very much obviously a "con" of power leveling, and what you have been saying about your accomplishments amount to hersay since you have no proof of them.

    Post on you main, maybe someone will take you seriously unless it's fabricated, like your accomplishments.

    ok for 1 i didnt power level any of my characers and my 92 wiz only did 3 fc's. my accomplishments arent really the point i was makeing sorry if i offended you by stateing them... this is my mains account >.> i dont know how to make my icon say 92 wiz and am to lazy to figure it out... but the whole server knows who i am i dont have to fabricate as i said sir. i am a legend.
  • Faisk - Heavens Tear
    Faisk - Heavens Tear Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    I like powerlevel. i think it's a clever way to make money. like, once venos were hated because "rare pets isnt fair!! they're the richest and most powerful class ever" and its like not that worthy anymore (the pets, i mean). so if you don't have a good gear neither level to solo FF, whats the big deal of paying someone to do it? pwi is not going to put an end at this because as ppl level faster, they get even poorer (1m a run is kinda too much, i agree >.>) and go for fast cash. and as they hit 101 and have no money to get r9 gear or even shard it, more and more cash is purchased (either if the player isnt patience enough to go TT or something...). so idk, i rather pay someone to powerlevel me till 80 and then make my own squads b:victory

    by the way, how many runs do I need to hit level 80? i'm level 75 (supposing i'm going 2 runs a day hypering only at big room and heads) ty ty b:bye
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  • Faisk - Heavens Tear
    Faisk - Heavens Tear Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    btw, i've never seen a barb soloing FF. cant they solo it? even with high APS? >.>
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  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    hines86ward wrote: »
    Looking at the concept of power-leveling logically, it seems to be just a simple black and white scenario in which the answer to the "yay or nay" question depends on what kind of person is taking advantage of it.
    (I'll be referencing only FC runs as an example, but my rational here applies to all forms of power-leveling)

    Certain players will painstakingly grind their way up to the top, clock in countless hours and obtain a strong grasp on how the game works. This type of player knows his class from experience. This player is knowledgeable enough to work their way through the ins and outs of whatever new class he or she might be making in the future. These players will never view power-leveling as an absolute necessity, but also knows that it can be done, in moderation, that it doesn't compromise the integrity of said character.

    The other kind of player will see power-leveling as a way to reach the top and get all the best gear and such in the quickest amount of time possible. I'll make the blunt assumption that this person care a little more about this game than is healthy: to think that simply by being a "pro" character that they are impressing someone who actually matters in their life. One can power-level and cash shop his or her way to godliness without putting in a fraction of the time or work spent by those of us who actually play the game to play the game. Whether a veteran or a "newbie", this kind of player will see "WTS FC run 500k..etc" and take the bait every time, just to get to level 100.

    The issue I have with power-leveling is that because of it, reaching a high level is no longer an achievement. The way things should be is that players who are level 80+ should be viewed with the assumption that they are experienced, knowledgeable and dedicated players, worthy of respect. Unfortunately, due to the ease of which power-leveling can be done, those who have played the game without cutting corners can no longer be distinguished between those who cash shopped for all their gear and cut corners for their levels. Characters with actual substance now exist in anonymity.

    Nobody -really- wants to cash shop. In stage terms, that's "breaking the fourth wall". The point of any kind of video game is that it casts it's players into a new "world" (so to speak) in which real-life factors don't reflect on the game. It's completely understandable that players who'v legitimately worked for their high level without cash shopping want to keep as much of their gaming experience *IN GAME* as possible. Selling FC runs is just another way of playing the market.

    It's full of negative consequences. It's shady, but it's legit.

    In short, power-leveling ruins the pride and respect that *ALL* high level characters deserve. Those of us who enable others to power-level for our own benefit are simply exploiting a personality defect that many have, to cut corners with no thought of any kind of consequence.

    i enjoyed reading this and a well respected post ...and i feel the same about power leveling with pride and respect so i didnt power level any of my toons but i dont buy gold and power leveling people is a legit way to make some extra cash... and as a wizard :/ not much i can solo cheaply to make money and merchanting only takes u but so far...but i hold nothing against people who power level cause at the end of day its a game and they can have fun however they choose but for us people who didnt power level ... we know what perfect world really is and we've expanded its fun to last many many moons while p lvl'ed people only think they know fun ^^
  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Faisk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I like powerlevel. i think it's a clever way to make money. like, once venos were hated because "rare pets isnt fair!! they're the richest and most powerful class ever" and its like not that worthy anymore (the pets, i mean). so if you don't have a good gear neither level to solo FF, whats the big deal of paying someone to do it? pwi is not going to put an end at this because as ppl level faster, they get even poorer (1m a run is kinda too much, i agree >.>) and go for fast cash. and as they hit 101 and have no money to get r9 gear or even shard it, more and more cash is purchased (either if the player isnt patience enough to go TT or something...). so idk, i rather pay someone to powerlevel me till 80 and then make my own squads b:victory

    by the way, how many runs do I need to hit level 80? i'm level 75 (supposing i'm going 2 runs a day hypering only at big room and heads) ty ty b:bye

    if u play on archosaur server my squad could make u 80 in 1 hour for 5mil.. but i havnt been online for 2 days im sick of the community trashin me for power leveling people figured id take a break till the high levels stop the QQ
  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You'd get on anyone's bad side if you try to brag about your "net worth" and how many teles you waste as a way to rationalize powerleveling. You'll notice I'm not the only one here that doesn't take you seriously.

    sorry i wasnt trying to brag :/ sorry if i offended you ... and how to u take that as a rationalization to power leveling :/ u mis comprehended my post ... was only asking for views on power leveling in sort
  • Faisk - Heavens Tear
    Faisk - Heavens Tear Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    if u play on archosaur server my squad could make u 80 in 1 hour for 5mil.. but i havnt been online for 2 days im sick of the community trashin me for power leveling people figured id take a break till the high levels stop the QQ

    whoa thats nice >.> too bad i play at heaven's tear :/ still, 1h would be like...1 run? o.O
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  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Faisk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    whoa thats nice >.> too bad i play at heaven's tear :/ still, 1h would be like...1 run? o.O

    i dont use fc to p lvl and my method gives 3 times the spirit as fc headsb:victory im the best on my server and cheapest in business for 4 days now and serviced over 30 people... my best job was 1-68 . we charge 5mil an hour rate for anyone and we get the job done ^^ if you wanna learn more u gotta come to arch :)
  • Faisk - Heavens Tear
    Faisk - Heavens Tear Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    i dont use fc to p lvl and my method gives 3 times the spirit as fc headsb:victory im the best on my server and cheapest in business for 4 days now and serviced over 30 people... my best job was 1-68 . we charge 5mil an hour rate for anyone and we get the job done ^^ if you wanna learn more u gotta come to arch :)

    b:cry thats cruel well ty xD wish me luck on hitting 80 soon T_T
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  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Faisk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    b:cry thats cruel well ty xD wish me luck on hitting 80 soon T_T

    good luck lol u might wanna try oracles i oracled from 91-92 its a fun way of leveling if u got the money and u get to meet lots of people

    oracle2 is best
  • Vincinator - Raging Tide
    Vincinator - Raging Tide Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Again a thread like this ? b:shocked

    Just do like most posters replied to that in other ones.

    - Jealous of someone powerleveling and you can't ? Your problem, not theirs.

    - You get in a squad with someone that powerleveled and feel he/she is a noob ? Leave squad, blacklist if needed.

    - You made 10 alts and want to do the whole arch area of quests 10 times ? it's you.

    Each their ways of playing the game..
    In game chars (Raging tide, over a year im here)
    Sir_Puma (BM 98)-- L_y_n_x (Barb 85) Cyres (Cleric 69)
    BurningHeart (Wiz 34)-- LadyPuma (Veno 57,used as bank char)
    Vincinator (Test seeker lvl 46,RiP)-- Amup( True Seeker 71)
    Powerleveld chars : None-- Quests done : Too many b:surrender
  • Faisk - Heavens Tear
    Faisk - Heavens Tear Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Vincinator - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Again a thread like this ? b:shocked

    Just do like most posters replied to that in other ones.

    - Jealous of someone powerleveling and you can't ? Your problem, not theirs.

    - You get in a squad with someone that powerleveled and feel he/she is a noob ? Leave squad, blacklist if needed.

    - You made 10 alts and want to do the whole arch area of quests 10 times ? it's you.

    Each their ways of playing the game..


    - You made 10 alts and want to do the whole arch area of quests 10 times ? it's you.

    I have to agree on that, its not powerleveler's fault if u have 10 alts and have to quest all over again >.> i cant even culti with my alt, its so boring >.> killin 80 monsters for a poor exp and SP is kinda useless too >.> b:surrender
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  • zdhoop
    zdhoop Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    u dont know me though :/ all u know is that i have bad grammer how could u possible talk of what kind of player i am when ive never met you in game.... the mystery is how i managed to get on ur bad sidd.... :/ i just want to know everyones thoughts on power leveling... that is all. but please elaborate ... please tell me what kind of player i am and if ur not saying legendary or epic .... id say ur wrong b:chuckle

    He may not know who you are, Vision, but I do, as well as most of the Arch server. Your net worth came entirely from scamming people, to the point that your rep is completely ruined, and you never play that toon anymore. I think that speaks to your maturity as well, doesn't it? There isn't one person in the Arch server, besides yourself of course, that would describe you as "legendary" or "epic." As for powerleveling, to each his own. I feel sorry for the people that you convince to pay you 5 mil for one hour in the PQ pit though rofl.
  • Freizer - Lost City
    Freizer - Lost City Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    zdhoop wrote: »
    He may not know who you are, Vision, but I do, as well as most of the Arch server. Your net worth came entirely from scamming people, to the point that your rep is completely ruined, and you never play that toon anymore. I think that speaks to your maturity as well, doesn't it? There isn't one person in the Arch server, besides yourself of course, that would describe you as "legendary" or "epic." As for powerleveling, to each his own. I feel sorry for the people that you convince to pay you 5 mil for one hour in the PQ pit though rofl.

    Bbad naming and shaming XD however, I was wondering why the legend wasn't posting on his main....good to know
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  • Phantom_Mage - Lost City
    Phantom_Mage - Lost City Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    good luck lol u might wanna try oracles i oracled from 91-92 its a fun way of leveling if u got the money and u get to meet lots of people

    oracle2 is best

    You sir, are a hypocrite. Have you not been telling us that you have not powerleveled any of your toons?b:bye
  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Freizer - Lost City wrote: »
    Bbad naming and shaming XD however, I was wondering why the legend wasn't posting on his main....good to know

    lol for the second time... this is my mains account :/ ....
  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Phantom_Mage - Lost City wrote: »
    You sir, are a hypocrite. Have you not been telling us that you have not powerleveled any of your toons?b:bye

    if u think oracleing from 91-92 is power leveling ... you sir are a... naa i wont go that low.... lol good check how many oracle 2s it takes to get from 91-92 then fraction in the price of oracle 2s then add in the fact ive never purchased gold, then take in to account the time it takes to complete the oracles...
  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    zdhoop wrote: »
    He may not know who you are, Vision, but I do, as well as most of the Arch server. Your net worth came entirely from scamming people, to the point that your rep is completely ruined, and you never play that toon anymore. I think that speaks to your maturity as well, doesn't it? There isn't one person in the Arch server, besides yourself of course, that would describe you as "legendary" or "epic." As for powerleveling, to each his own. I feel sorry for the people that you convince to pay you 5 mil for one hour in the PQ pit though rofl.

    grats on your first post. and come on chargeing people 100k per hour to kill my oracle 2 mob is hardly a scam it was 1 of my businesses... sure u can say i was scamming... but for all the people who paid i let them kill my mobs :/ and you are honestly gonna sit here and say leveling 1-68 in 1 hour with triple the spirit fc gives isnt worth 5mil? you know what makes me a legend .. u just kinda just helped prove my point... i mean this was ur first forum post... i brought u out of the closest... that is sheer epicness
  • Phantom_Mage - Lost City
    Phantom_Mage - Lost City Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    if u think oracleing from 91-92 is power leveling ... you sir are a... naa i wont go that low.... lol good check how many oracle 2s it takes to get from 91-92 then fraction in the price of oracle 2s then add in the fact ive never purchased gold, then take in to account the time it takes to complete the oracles...

    ......I don't want to even bother to explain anything to you, seeing as your IQ must be at rock-bottom...b:surrender
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    prophetofman wrote: »
    grats on your first post. and come on chargeing people 100k per hour to kill my oracle 2 mob is hardly a scam it was 1 of my businesses... sure u can say i was scamming... but for all the people who paid i let them kill my mobs :/ and you are honestly gonna sit here and say leveling 1-68 in 1 hour with triple the spirit fc gives isnt worth 5mil? you know what makes me a legend .. u just kinda just helped prove my point... i mean this was ur first forum post... i brought u out of the closest... that is sheer epicness

    you are saying the oracle mobs belong to you? lol failtacularb:laugh
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  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Phantom_Mage - Lost City wrote: »
    ......I don't want to even bother to explain anything to you, seeing as your IQ must be at rock-bottom...b:surrender

    nice, u think useing oracle 2s to get from 91-92 is power leveling and then u tell me my iq must be rock bottom....and um... why would u need to explain it to me, i did it... i know the costs , the time and effort it takes... me click book me kill pirate me do for many many moons me acheive great power me happy
  • prophetofman
    prophetofman Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited April 2011
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    you are saying the oracle mobs belong to you? lol failtacularb:laugh

    i mean if i was there first and u cant out damage me nor can you pk me who is to tell me otherwise...
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