Multi-Clienting Rule Changes
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k, lemme see if i got it right:
let's supposed i want to level up a cleric. can I kill mobs/bosses and everything for this cleric over another account? like, that's my main and let's suppose my alt is also running. can i do the cleric's quests running my sin to do it? >.>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Mendy__ - Sanctuary wrote: »b:surrenderb:shutup but they dont check.... they ban first, investigate later
but its only a 3-day ban
they never check if no dollars then maybe lil check and maybe 1hr ban if that person just could charge even lil bit :P0 -
Extremely fair and thank you0
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Yes, gms are quick to ban, super super slow/dont reply to my tickets.
Last week i was banned AFTER business hours for calling a CoA Loot stealer a stupid *insert NON-derrogatory nationality here" And when I submitted a ticket, I never got a reply :O
sure lets limit cat shop usage so we can increase cash shop usage!
btw if this is an april fools joke, you guys just pwned everyone real good :O0 -
BlubZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »they never check if no dollars then maybe lil check and maybe 1hr ban if that person just could charge even lil bit :P
b:shocked *goes to charge money quickly*0 -
Rfskkirby - Sanctuary wrote: »Yes, gms are quick to ban, super super slow/dont reply to my tickets.
Last week i was banned AFTER business hours for calling a CoA Loot stealer a stupid *insert NON-derrogatory nationality here" And when I submitted a ticket, I never got a reply :O
sure lets limit cat shop usage so we can increase cash shop usage!
btw if this is an april fools joke, you guys just pwned everyone real good :O
2 years ago i was bored and reported few ppl multiclienting i had even screens attached noone got ban money is money
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BlubZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »2 years ago i was bored and reported few ppl multiclienting i had even screens attached noone got ban money is money
Screenshots don't prove multiclienting, you as a player have no way to prove multiclienting even if someone explicitly tells you they are.IamRoland - Harshlands wrote: »Oh, so you were close to knowing what you're talking about. I think the term you you were looking for was MAC address.
Sure it might be the right term but... see note below...ResMePls - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ah yes this to. So if the IP address is the same, they should then check the MAC address to make sure rather than do what Chaotic Shelly would do(spam the locked/closed thread button,in this case the ban hammer
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MAC addresses are only there so routers know what NIC it needs to send data to (if they never existed we'd either have the mess that is mass broadcasting (sending data to all NICs) or some other system that does the same thing) and if you know what you are doing you can easily do a mutli-route split with a virtual network and bridge them all together (relatively easy to do too...) so as far as the client would be able to tell they are different computers. There is no feasible way (in software) to prove multi-clienting in any game, unless they force the use of a mutex (which then opens the issue of the client being its own DOS) there isn't a way to stop it. The only surefire way of proving it would be a GM actually coming to your house and watching you every second that you play.0 -
Doesn't effect me, whatever.0
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Well I have been playing for 3 years(feels like 3 years anyway) with my family on all seprate computers so far.So I hope it continues that way and I don't get randomly banned...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0
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So what happens when you have a family such as mine, that has 3 out of our 4 kids who play, plus my husband and myself?
until recently, when my husband's PC needed to have a new HD put in, we would play together...three accounts on at the same time. and i have a second account that is where i store stuff, and yet another account is owned by my autistic son, who plays when he feels like it. i dont know what other accounts my kids may or may not have, but these are the ones i know of. what are you guys going to do, IP trace, to see how many accounts come from one house, and close down some if we have more than allowed?
frankieraye wrote: »Hey guys,
For a long long time, ever since PWI was first released in fact, we've always had the rule that you could only run one PWI client per machine.
The reasoning behind this rule was the fact that running more than one client could not be accomplished without editing the game files, and editing game files was not allowed.
This led to many players running PWI on a second or even third computer, usually to be able to run a cat shop while their main account actually played.
Some time ago, the client itself changed, and running multiple clients was possible without editing game files. For consistency's sake, we did not modify the multi-clienting rule, and what followed were a lot of questions as to its validity, now that the original reason for it no longer applied.
Well, we've talked about it, and we've come to a new set of rules for multi-clienting. It should be easier to follow, easier to enforce, and it will help level the playing field between people with one computer and people with multiple computers.
So here we go:- You may only have 2 accounts per person, regardless of how many computers you own.
There isn't a viable reason to create an excessive number of accounts, so any suspicious activity from now on will be fully dealt with. We aren't going to punish you for having existing accounts prior to this rule, but you can only be online on two at once at the most.
*Note: Excessive account creation has been and will continued to be pursued. Provided you did not abuse this before, you should have nothing to worry about. - You may only play on two characters at the same time, but they can both level up OR one can level up while the other is a vendor alt.
If you want to keep one leveling account and one vendor alt account, that's fine. You cannot, however, actively level two characters while having a third account to act as a shop alt. We will be actively enforcing this.
This new policy is in effect starting now, however, we will continue to refine and improve upon this, so this policy is subject to change. Read on for examples that may specifically deal with your situation.
*Example: If you're a family of 3 playing PWI, then you can have 2 accounts for each member of your family. You WILL have to prove this though if we notice any suspicious activity from your household.
*Example: You can actively have two LV 65 Barbs grinding on HT Server on the same computer, but no vendor alts online.
*Example: You (as an individual human being) cannot have 3 accounts active, it doesn't matter if you own 3 or 30 computers.
*Example: You cannot have two characters leveling at once if you also have a shop alt logged in.
Two characters maximum online at once for any situation.
Feel free to discuss your reactions to these changes, but please keep it civil.
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frankieraye wrote: »As long as you guys used real info when you registered (i.e. all four accounts do not have the same registration info across the board), you'll definitely look less suspicious than the average abuser.
The GM's will try to take all things into account before banning.frankieraye wrote: »Naw, this policy change has been in the works for about a month now, ever since the release of Genesis, when there was a major outcry about the old policy no longer being applicable.
As for a "fix" to the dq fiasco, I believe that the only things that would serve this function would be to either put the Medals back in, or add some equally desirable items to the DQ shop, and neither of these things can be done right now. So I'm afraid there is no quick fix, but something that will take time to rectify.
I'm sure it will be 'fixed' quickly next week when MoG reappears in the CS.0 -
Supposedly...this is a 'new' rule and not a rule that 'I', the user accepted on the license agreement when I made my account soon to be 3 years ago. To be legally binding, doesn't the 'user' have to accept this agreement all over again? lolz I only have 2 accounts, so I guess it doesn't really matter, but I sense a random ban...
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Flare - Heavens Tear wrote: »To be legally binding, doesn't the 'user' have to accept this agreement all over again?
Technically yes, but by continuing to use the service you do agree to it (as long as they notify you and they have)0 -
Isn't this copy pasted from jade dynasty forums?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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rofl....."this will be actively enforced"
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Well you guys didn't enforce it in the past. I could link 3 forum posts from these forums showing 2+ clients open, because said players didn't cover it up well posting screenshots.
So what assurances could you give me you will enforce it now?0 -
http://jd-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=411392
Yep, copy/pasted with some minor editing.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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like in ESO multiclienting been allowed always 1for playing 1 for shop ..and now 1 cave where u can actually make money in ESO all realms full of alt accounts possing there and no bans and (possing) means games own bot system 0
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You can open second client from: Computer > C: > PWI > PWI again > element > elementclient.exe_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »How does one multiclient without editing game files?
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frankieraye wrote: »Naw, this policy change has been in the works for about a month now, ever since the release of Genesis, when there was a major outcry about the old policy no longer being applicable.
As for a "fix" to the dq fiasco, I believe that the only things that would serve this function would be to either put the Medals back in, or add some equally desirable items to the DQ shop, and neither of these things can be done right now. So I'm afraid there is no quick fix, but something that will take time to rectify.
Yay confirmation on a question maybe I'll actually stick around for a while again. I'm sure you read it as this point, but one suggestion that caught my eye was putting the medals in the event gold shop. This way you get an announced fix coming (I know it would take time) and it's a (relatively) easy coding thing to do. As I'm guessing the Event Boutique has an auto-bind code with it.
And back on topic everyone :P0 -
frankieraye wrote: »*Example: If you're a family of 3 playing PWI, then you can have 2 accounts for each member of your family. You WILL have to prove this though if we notice any suspicious activity from your household.
I can't think of a single way to disprove OR prove whether each family member is logged on 2 accounts, or one person is logged on 6, with multi-boxes OR multi-clients.
This I really don't approve of, especially with regards to multi-player families.frankieraye wrote: »*Example: You (as an individual human being) cannot have 3 accounts active, it doesn't matter if you own 3 or 30 computers.
A simpler, and more 'effective' change to the ruling might have been "You many now have 2 (or 3) clients per computer." As there was really NO need to address multiple computer use at all.0 -
I think the GM's shot themselves in the foot again.
Why is the onus on us to prove that we live with more than 1 person?
Seriously, this is borderline stupidity.0 -
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I can't think of a single way to disprove OR prove whether each family member is logged on 2 accounts, or one person is logged on 6, with multi-boxes OR multi-clients.
This I really don't approve of, especially with regards to multi-player families.
A simpler, and more 'effective' change to the ruling might have been "You many now have 2 (or 3) clients per computer." As there was really NO need to address multiple computer use at all.
Agreed with this post, are we suppose to send pics of ourselves playing PW or something.........?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Well, I generally only have two accounts on at the same time (leveling and catshopping.) So I'm not too worried. I'm just glad they won't punish you for having multi accounts prior to this rule, that would suck if they said 'ok so choose which two accounts you want to keep and we are gonna delete the others!!11'
I would die inside.
I still think this rule is a HUGE stab in the throat for households that share computers. That could get kind of messy and scandalous.0 -
b:question Is frankie and the new Dev team sipping on some firewater while they think up these kinds of things and letting it get to their head?
b:lipcurl it never ceases to amaze me the stupidity of some people Do you realy think there some way that you can prove that there isn't more than one peron in a household on a computer at a time?
What are you gonna ask them for photo I.D.s and birthdays? are you gonna personally get thier phone number and call and ask to speak to both parties? You haven't been able to catch the ones donig it so far while it was bannable of ppl running full squads what has changed now that you think you can tell?0 -
Nice change. ThanksMiddle lane, middle lane.. b:shutup0
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I can't believe people have a problem with this rule change. 2 accounts per person per household. Easy. If you have multiple people playing in the same house then each person can have 2 accounts logged at the same time. I can think of no logical reason why people are complaining about this rule enhancement.
And if you have to ask in the forums "how would someone prove their are multi people in their household?" Then I have to ask "Is the reason you want to know because you are looking to cheat the system?" If this is a real concern of yours BECAUSE there are multiple people playing in your house then contact customer support now with your account information and prevent this from becoming a problem for you. There is no reason for this question to be answered in the forums.0 -
frankieraye wrote: »The reasoning behind this rule was the fact that running more than one client could not be accomplished without editing the game files, and editing game files was not allowed.
Some time ago, the client itself changed, and running multiple clients was possible without editing game files.
Someone at your office decided to change the name that appears on the client window from "Element Client" to "Perfect World International". The Launcher is still checking for Element Client. That is why the launcher will allow you to launch multiple clients. Even when the Launcher prohibited running a second client, all you needed to do was double click elementclient.exe to open a second client. Patcher.exe does not check for another running instance of the client, it only checks for another window named "Element Client"...
It's so funny watching a chicken with it's head cut off.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Ok so I have 3 accounts that are all over a year old, and one is over 2 years old. I created my characters in different accounts because I wanted to use them all at the same time since I had the computers to be able to do it. Multi-clienting was not allowed but multi-boxing was and there was never a limit to the amount of accounts you could have. All of my accounts have accurate information about me.
What I want to know is if you're (Mods) going to ban me for this, or make me delete one of them? (I do use all three accounts at the same time, on different computers, from time to time).
Also my brothers (2 of them) and I like to play the game together, so how would we "prove" that it's 3 different people on 3 different computers?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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