How's the Crimson vs Zulu going?

Cleon - Harshlands

Acrelar - Harshlands wrote: »

So you're basically saying after proving that you can take the map as an rpk-map, despite the entire server back then saying it's impossible because RPKers can't get organized; beating every guild in TW; being hated by everyone, that we're still responsible for the server to have fun?

I think it's funny how someone that hasn't been in Zulu has the guts to tell us what common sense is. I mean, the world is flat, an rpk guild can never take the TW map and it's also common sense to disband for the best of everyone.

We have the best PvPers in the guild because we're the only ones that realized how stale this game gets at level 100 when you don't PvP. The rest of the server STILL didn't adapt and most guilds are still not rpk. You don't even deserve a land on the map with that attitude.

Have you seen the movie 'A beautiful mind'?

There is a one scene in it when Nash realizes that doing what is best for oneself and everyone else at the same time is the best solution (no c0ckblocks).

Think of it like that.

It's funny though, I pretty sure that I've seen a few Zulu's complaining about the lack of competitive TWs and then defending having all the best players in one guild. You can't have it both ways.

Just like you say that the game gets stale at 100, but whose fault is that? It's easy to point the finger at the whole 'server' and saying, well they didn't adapt or step up for the challenge when you are 'hogging' all the players that actually can PvP, you can't have it both ways.

What I'm saying is obviously the other end of the spectrum compared to what you said and there is the golden middle ground somewhere but from the looks of it the 'server' will never adapt and Zulu will never disband*, ergo it's a stalemate for everyone.

If you just look at LC, where there have been a few power-shifts and one could argue that server has always had more potential both PvP- and TW-wise because of them. Just think back and it's obvious that the most exciting times are when there is a power-shift in TW. Then again I'm pretty sure LC had a bigger player base so it was more natural for LC then it ever will be for HL.

*IMO, I wouldn't be surprised if a few or even a lot of Zulu's most active players would go inactive and that is when Zulu will start loosing the hold they have on TW at the moment. TWing vs. the whole server weekend after weekend will get both exhausting and boring.
That or Crimson members get tired of loosing and started loosing members to other guilds.

Killmin - Harshlands

Cleon - Harshlands wrote: »

Have you seen the movie 'A beautiful mind'?

There is a one scene in it when Nash realizes that doing what is best for oneself and everyone else at the same time is the best solution (no c0ckblocks).

Think of it like that.

It's funny though, I pretty sure that I've seen a few Zulu's complaining about the lack of competitive TWs and then defending having all the best players in one guild. You can't have it both ways.

Just like you say that the game gets stale at 100, but whose fault is that? It's easy to point the finger at the whole 'server' and saying, well they didn't adapt or step up for the challenge when you are 'hogging' all the players that actually can PvP, you can't have it both ways.

What I'm saying is obviously the other end of the spectrum compared to what you said and there is the golden middle ground somewhere but from the looks of it the 'server' will never adapt and Zulu will never disband*, ergo it's a stalemate for everyone.

If you just look at LC, where there have been a few power-shifts and one could argue that server has always had more potential both PvP- and TW-wise because of them. Just think back and it's obvious that the most exciting times are when there is a power-shift in TW. Then again I'm pretty sure LC had a bigger player base so it was more natural for LC then it ever will be for HL.

*IMO, I wouldn't be surprised if a few or even a lot of Zulu's most active players would go inactive and that is when Zulu will start loosing the hold they have on TW at the moment. TWing vs. the whole server weekend after weekend will get both exhausting and boring.
That or Crimson members get tired of loosing and started loosing members to other guilds.

The only reason Zulu is Hogging all the best PVP'ers as you say, I becouse non of the other guilds near Zulu lvl allow PVP!! Why would active PVP'ers want to go to a faction that safelists/allies half the damm server??

How about the rest of the server step-up read any of the 5,000 Tw guids on the forums and try to do it right.

Do people in Zulu or Crimson get TW skills just for accepting the faction invite? HELL NO! they have to learn them. They come into a faction get put into a squad of TW nubs and try to figure out what to do. Same as everyone else.

If Zulu disbands that will solve nothing, not everyone has the mindset to follow orders and not try to turn TW into a pvp fest.

If you hate the thought of an orange map than get over whatever bad feelings you have for 1 person in a faction, and work together to take us down.

Eoria - Harshlands

The ultimate goal of any TW guild is to own the map. What they do afterwards is entirely up to them.

I've already stated that I would personally like to see how long Zulu can hold the entire map. It's simply a hell of a lot more satisfying when they finally lose land than just getting freebies from a "disbanded" guild. It is their choice, however...

But, in the end, things won't change unless people learn. No one's gonna learn a damn thing by resetting the map. All it does is let people have fun for a few weeks and then they will start to QQ again once a dominate guild arises from the ashes. And then we'll be right back where we started, won't we? Only the color changes, not the circumstance.

Paimage - Harshlands

At this point in the game, it doesnt matter who has more cash shoppers. Zulu can have 2 cash shoppers, it wont change the fact that most of the Zulu active TW players still have a gear better then the average and that will make far more difference then having 10 cash shoppers and 70 crappy geared players on a TW.

Zulu has more experience and better geared players, thats why they can beat Crimson easily. Disbanding Zulu would give the server a fresh air, but it would all come down to this point again. Just like someone said, I think Zulu keeping the lands and giving a fight to any guild that challenges them will help other guilds grow and give their players more experience.

Crimson can get better in TW and in gears, but that requires time. I heard valhala is a guild full of rank9, so probably they can be a major threat in TW in the future. HL needs this, more guilds strong enough to fight Zulu and prevent people from making retar.ded guilds just to hold on to a land.

Also, I dont agree with the Zulu has all the best pvpers. They have the best TWers and some of the best pvpers but theres alot more spread out through alot of guilds unlike Zulu where you have a higher concentration of them.

About people that hate on Zulu. I dont think alot of people hate Zulu, otherwise not so many players would be submiting applications to them. Those applications actually show the opposite, maybe people ally to fight against zulu cuz they are the strongest but not cuz of hate.

Crescendia - Harshlands

Killmin - Harshlands wrote: »

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Martin - Harshlands

Kingdom > zulu and crimson b:victory

Wasn't CQ basically rpk, I mean they basically fought all the other great players of the server, ignoring the great accomplishment of killing lvl 30's. I am fairly certain zulu is not the first rpk-guild to take a map. But I guess since your labeled rpk..it holds true.

Anyways, nice to see people complaining about the same thing as other servers.

MindCrime - Harshlands

I don't hate Zulu. In fact, I have many friends in Zulu.

I never said Zulu has the most CSers. I said over-all they have the most well-geared, experienced players in TW as well as PvP.

NiaJade: stop lecturing me with your condescending BS; I've played this game as long as you have. Thank you.

My point has and always will be: why not disband and reform. Really at this point, there is nothing to lose and a whole lot to gain. It would give even more time for the less experienced, under-geared HL players to improve, not to mention test out the new classes and see what they can potentially bring to TW/ PvP.

Good luck all.

VenomousEmo - Harshlands

MindCrime - Harshlands wrote: »

I've typed my 'stance' repeatedly but you and most others aren't getting it.

HL is dead and has been for a long time. Zulu has the most experienced TWers and PvPers. The only players in Crimson experienced at TW and PvP on the same level as Zulu are the handful that came from KY.

At this point you guys need to spread the 'love' to bring back some excitement to HL. It's pretty much common sense, IMO.

el o el wut.
Sure, we had a few that came over from KY that are experienced, but I think you fail to forget there are some people that have been here from the start. I can easily think of 10-15 people who have the same experience as KY peeps.
Get your facts straight before you start judging a factions "TW and PVP skills" when you don't even have a clue what you're saying or know what's going on.

Personally, I'd feel bad if Zulu were to disband, as I know how close Crimson is... so I'd figure the same for some Zulu peeps. Plus, if they were to disband, all the interesting and actually challenging TW's would be gone.
Let's see where the expansion leads with this so called new TW gear and weapons addition. That'll give a spice to TW. b:thanks

Hudini - Heavens Tear

MindCrime - Harshlands wrote: »

I don't hate Zulu. In fact, I have many friends in Zulu.

I never said Zulu has the most CSers. I said over-all they have the most well-geared, experienced players in TW as well as PvP.

NiaJade: stop lecturing me with your condescending BS; I've played this game as long as you have. Thank you.

My point has and always will be: why not disband and reform. Really at this point, there is nothing to lose and a whole lot to gain. It would give even more time for the less experienced, under-geared HL players to improve, not to mention test out the new classes and see what they can potentially bring to TW/ PvP.

Good luck all.

I think it would be a shame to disband without taking the whole map first, I mean we are so close.

Eoria - Harshlands

MindCrime - Harshlands wrote: »

NiaJade: stop lecturing me with your condescending BS; I've played this game as long as you have. Thank you.

Just ignore her. She has issues.

Bloop - Harshlands

Martin - Harshlands wrote: »

Kingdom > zulu and crimson b:victory

Wasn't CQ basically rpk, I mean they basically fought all the other great players of the server, ignoring the great accomplishment of killing lvl 30's. I am fairly certain zulu is not the first rpk-guild to take a map. But I guess since your labeled rpk..it holds true.

Anyways, nice to see people complaining about the same thing as other servers.

Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I can remember CQ was not rpk, RageQuit was rpk. CQ only later turned rpk when they were already on the verge of owning the entire map. RPK or not now, times have changed. It's not like it used to be where you could get someones nice HH70, or have a PK fight for fish. PVP here is pointless now.


The real question is; How does it feel being dominated TW wise by a guild who's core members no longer have any interest in this game and log on for the minimum amount of time possible daily?

Longknife - Harshlands

MindCrime - Harshlands wrote: »

My point has and always will be: why not disband and reform. Really at this point, there is nothing to lose and a whole lot to gain. It would give even more time for the less experienced, under-geared HL players to improve, not to mention test out the new classes and see what they can potentially bring to TW/ PvP.

Good luck all.

No it wouldn't.

If Zulu disbanded, everyone and their mother would bid on a territory. We'd have one guild per territory after the first week. Afterwards? The stronger guilds would quickly spread and conquer, the weaker guilds would sit on their single territory and do NOTHING. Those that are too weak to expand would be well aware of it, those that could win against their neighbors would know it and do so. First everyone except those that actively TW these days (Wodan, Crimson, Valhalla, Mayhem, Omerta etc) would get wiped, then the bids that never stood a chance against Zulu would get wiped, then we'd have 1-2 forces, like always. There wouldn't be any improvement because there wouldn't actually BE any PVP; it'd be the stronger guilds reminding the weaker ones that they have more people/higher levels, followed by all the losing guilds flocking to the winning guilds.
It wouldn't revive TW or PVP at all; it would tie-dye the map and that's it. Do you remember when Kingdom fell and everyone and their mother could beat them? The map was multi-colored for a short while and then what happened? Kylin, Crimson and Zulu went through and conquered the weenie guilds who got lucky. PNButt, Mayhem, Pengwins, Evoke and various others all held land, and not a single one of them put up a half-decent fight against those other three. Even fewer actually dared to TRY and expand; they knew they stood no chance. It was just clean-up duty for the bigger guilds and a lost cause for the smaller ones. There's no way people would flock to a smaller guild either; people will flock to the most well-known guild with the most promising leader; you could be a freaking tactical genius, but if you don't have a well-known guild name with at least 80 good fighters, you're doomed.


Or Zulu could stay. Zulu would hold the map until people figure out what they're doing wrong (pr0-tip Crimson: if you're retreating back to base to defend and you're a magic class, it's probably a bad idea to run by foot). This would FORCE people to improve as there's no other way to get Zulu to leave.
But would they? Maybe not. People will always cling to the "they cash shop more" excuse or just put minimal effort in their strategy and organization.

However, what you're saying is that the lack of PVP competition is Zulu's fault, and it's an absolute crime against humanity that we don't disband to give people this short-term ILLUSION that PVP has turned free-for-all and nobody-guilds actually stand a chance.


If you really want PVP to be more active and to flourish, figure out how to beat us. Actually try.

Longknife - Harshlands

NiaJade - Harshlands wrote: »

Then stop your pathetic QQ'ing and grow a damn spin.

My spin is ginormous.

MindCrime - Harshlands

Bloop - Harshlands wrote: »

The real question is; How does it feel being dominated TW wise by a guild who's core members no longer have any interest in this game and log on for the minimum amount of time possible daily?

And that right there is reason enough to reset the map. TY Bloopers.

Pls give my secret lover a big smooch for me. b:cute

Eoria - Harshlands

Bloop - Harshlands wrote: »

The real question is; How does it feel being dominated TW wise by a guild who's core members no longer have any interest in this game and log on for the minimum amount of time possible daily?

Been there. Done that. b:shutup

Garaver - Harshlands

I must say I'm getting quite bored of this subject, even if I started it

This couple of past weeks I've been away from the game and now I'm getting lazy to log xD
I'll just keep trolling ppl to kill time for a while hehe...

Lutirica - Harshlands

MindCrime - Harshlands wrote: »

Ok. The only time PvP was 'good' on this server was at the beginning - like the first 6- 8 months. That was before packs came out. Before BHs etc. Everyone had the same **** gear and the map looked like someone ate crayons and pooped out a rainbow. It was a glorious time and guess what? There was no Zulu.

PvP will never be that good again as long as most of the active PvPers are all in the same guild.

Disband when the time comes and stir shet up again. You would be amazed at how much enthusiasm could be gained with a clean map. You might even get some of the old school HL players back. It's worth a shot, IMO.

MindCrime if you dont like that all of them are in one faction why dont you make one to take the HL throne?

Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »

Until another force learns to beat them at their own game.

So someone do that, lulz. Stop dreaming about Zulu disbanding and the world being filled with sunshine and rainbows and gnomes who ***** glitter and you're the hero and the greatest ever and everyone gives you head for saving the server...

And just beat Zulu instead.

It is easy to see that most people wont leave zulu until Nurfed leaves. So as it seems since HL is lacking good players the only way for zulu to go down is for nurfed to go. Its as simple as that.

To the rest of this war. Zulu will take the map. You know it. I know it. Crimson knows it and harshlands knows it. If you want to take them down you seem to be going about it the wrong way. With the "epic leaders" gone its your own fault if they pwn you daily. If you honestly cant find one person to lead a faction to fight zulu then you are lost and you will forever lose. If you want to beat zulu find a leader that will match Nurfed in either power or fame. (even though nurfeds fame is lacking due to the fact i have never seen him pvp alone.)

So if you cant do anything about it stop trying. (I on the other hand like being out numbered.) So cry to someone who cares that zulu took the server. b:cute

VenomousEmo - Harshlands

For the love of god Lutricia, please don't ruin the color red for me. b:surrender

And go away.

Elednor - Harshlands

So cry to someone who cares that zulu took the server. b:cute

I think you should take a leaf out of your own book.

Devoted - Lost City

Elednor - Harshlands wrote: »

I think you should take a leaf out of your own book.

This is 2011. Please update your idiom to the latest version.

Elednor - Harshlands

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

This is 2011. Please update your idiom to the latest version.

Please take a file out of your Adobe Reader?

Devoted - Lost City

Elednor - Harshlands wrote: »

Please take a file out of your Adobe Reader?

Adobe reader can go straight back to the hellhole it came from.


Better than what I thought of though. Maybe use Kindle instead of Adobe Update Every 14 Seconds.

Longknife - Harshlands

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

So if you cant do anything about it stop trying. (I on the other hand like being out numbered.) So cry to someone who cares that zulu took the server. b:cute

Wait, do you even play the game??

I thought you were a robot.

Garaver - Harshlands

NiaJade - Harshlands wrote: »

She's that form that you see often following you, when the light is just right..

Ever there... keeping pace ... but disappearing when you turn around to face them...

Oh.. thats my shadow..... nevermind....

b:surrender

Can I have some of whatever u smoking?

jk xD

ArmaniEx - Harshlands

who the **** is lutricia?

Another lets kill zulu they are evil fanatic?

-#1 Why should we pvp alone? thats why its a guild?
-#2 wen we come out alone or just 2 ppl...even if 1 person kills 3...it becomes a 6v1 in 5min
-#3 the only one qqing on the pwi fourms about zulu is you and like 2 others.

Okeano - Harshlands

ArmaniEx - Harshlands wrote: »

-#2 wen we come out alone or just 2 ppl...even if 1 person kills 3...it becomes a 6v1 in 5min

Sorry bud, Zulu does exactly the same thing. Last week at silver, me and 2 Archers + Wiz was fighting 6-7 already for about an hr. Twistpain or w/e (the barb), and Gol comes. Twist walks out of sz, and gets owned by us who are already fighting 6 at the time. The he QQ'ed something about can't fight 1v1... even tho we are already fighting a whole squad. Then a few mins later, another 6-7 Zulus showed up b:laugh. So it became 4 v 12 or 13. I just laughed and left.

And funny how you should say 1 person kills 3 then it becomes 6v1, because that was exactly what happened when I was hunting Zulus in oht. I drop 3 Zulus alone and they bring Ele, Applequest and Dantel b:laugh.

Lutirica - Harshlands

VenomousEmo - Harshlands wrote: »

For the love of god Lutricia, please don't ruin the color red for me. b:surrender

And go away.

Elednor - Harshlands wrote: »

I think you should take a leaf out of your own book.

ArmaniEx - Harshlands wrote: »

who the **** is lutricia?

Another lets kill zulu they are evil fanatic?

-#1 Why should we pvp alone? thats why its a guild?
-#2 wen we come out alone or just 2 ppl...even if 1 person kills 3...it becomes a 6v1 in 5min
-#3 the only one qqing on the pwi fourms about zulu is you and like 2 others.

Why cant i ? Im only here to make people's lives hell.

My fight with zulu is just for fun. Maybe i do take it to far sometimes but its all in the fun of it.

This ArmaniEx must of been a noob at the time or to blind or to stupid. I was the massive zulu QQ world chat maker. (And killed the most by them at the west gate poor zulu fools.)

1. there is a diffrence between good pvp and gank pvp zulu are gank pvpers most of them dont have the balls by themselves. (All the respect to the zulu that take on five people alone.)

2. That is because zulu's rep is as bad as mine is. People from both sides may not like me but most ignore me. So yes i dont care if people kill me just not a zulu thats a bad way to die being killed by one of them "zulu things".

3. thats because most everyone on this forum ARE ZULU.

Sabella - Harshlands

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

Why cant i ? Im only here to make people's lives hell.

My fight with zulu is just for fun. Maybe i do take it to far sometimes but its all in the fun of it.

This ArmaniEx must of been a noob at the time or to blind or to stupid. I was the massive zulu QQ world chat maker. (And killed the most by them at the west gate poor zulu fools.)

1. there is a diffrence between good pvp and gank pvp zulu are gank pvpers most of them dont have the balls by themselves. (All the respect to the zulu that take on five people alone.)

2. That is because zulu's rep is as bad as mine is. People from both sides may not like me but most ignore me. So yes i dont care if people kill me just not a zulu thats a bad way to die being killed by one of them "zulu things".

3. thats because most everyone on this forum ARE ZULU.

lolstillmad?
ps. Taboo was a waaaaay better troll than you.

VenomousEmo - Harshlands

Lutirica - Harshlands wrote: »

Why cant i ? Im only here to make people's lives hell.

Because red is my favorite color, is the color of my room, and is the color of nearly everything I own/enjoy. I don't want to interpret you with the color red.
Have mercy woman! b:cry

Lutirica - Harshlands

VenomousEmo - Harshlands wrote: »

Because red is my favorite color, is the color of my room, and is the color of nearly everything I own/enjoy. I don't want to interpret you with the color red.
Have mercy woman! b:cry

Sorry but i dont have mercy.