Wizerds are broken

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  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Sorry to burst your bubble, but people on LC don't all just hang outside SZ all day waiting to pk each other. There's probably more farming of instances than on DW.

    Pretty sure the average mage on LC has better gear than the average mage on DW. Even if we discounted the (countless) "outliers" with +12 NV/R9/etc, the average would still be higher.

    The reason why i still find it easier to obtain good stuff on a PVE server is that we have more farmable instances compared to the PvP servers i know this from a friend who had a 90 wiz on Lost City and was impressed how much more possibilities to farm gear exist here on DW. Of course lvling is also a lot easier because we have 3 BHs a day while you only have 1 as far as i know. You are right when you say people on PvP server in general have a higher intention to improve their stuff but if you dont do it by spending $ the possibilities are more limited because i heared about people PKing eachother to take away the good drops in TT from the others in the squad ...

    btw i know that my TT 90 is no uberweapon but you should be aware of the fact that when you compare endgame weapons only it is ridiculous to say that Blade Tempest can 1 shot a robe because any archer can 1-2 shot a wiz with normal arrows then too. And if you ask me 2600 dmg NONcrit is just a joke when i compare it with the hits of a psy with black voodoo and TT but all i want to say is we have to stop telling the story of level your bids to 10 and 1 shot everything

    @Joshcja -> i was talking about blade tempest not bids because Blade Tempest is the Ulti to use on robes because of the phys dmg like mentioned here before and i also used figures WITHOUT undine or genie skills or other debuff from BM or Veno and NON Crit Dmg.

    @Mizuoni
    i dont use the TT 90 glaive because i'll go for the inferno heaven sword in 99

    greetz harm0wnie
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    @Mizu: Yes Sir *takes of R8 Piece* :S

    @Adroit: I should really use a big, red, blinking text for my signature it seems. :P

    @HarmOwnie: Uhm.. More possibilities to farm gear? lolwhat? We have the exact same instances and the exact same number of BHs. There's nothing magically different between the servers. You can still go into HH, Nirvana or CV to farm your gear, just as you can on dreamweaver. And you can still pick 3 BHs a day and power level in frost just the same. Plus only because it's a pvp server does not mean it's all barbaric. We run normal HH squads, do normal drop splits, have normal guilds to farm gear for each other. The difference is if anyone steals mats, he will be kosed by the entire squad for the rest of his pwi days...

    And why do you even insist on one shotting stuff without amps? Ofc you will not one shot stuff most of the time if u only mash the BT button, that is what amps are for. Use frenzy and/or EP, use undine, wait till that BM uses mag marrow, then use BT... You have to make everything possible to make your ulti count, even endgame. But first of all get a decent weapon and THEN start to complain about your low damage if you still feel the need to.
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The reason why i still find it easier to obtain good stuff on a PVE server is that we have more farmable instances compared to the PvP servers i know this from a friend who had a 90 wiz on Lost City and was impressed how much more possibilities to farm gear exist here on DW. Of course lvling is also a lot easier because we have 3 BHs a day while you only have 1 as far as i know. You are right when you say people on PvP server in general have a higher intention to improve their stuff but if you dont do it by spending $ the possibilities are more limited because i heared about people PKing eachother to take away the good drops in TT from the others in the squad ...
    BS
    btw i know that my TT 90 is no uberweapon but you should be aware of the fact that when you compare endgame weapons only it is ridiculous to say that Blade Tempest can 1 shot a robe because any archer can 1-2 shot a wiz with normal arrows then too. And if you ask me 2600 dmg NONcrit is just a joke when i compare it with the hits of a psy with black voodoo and TT but all i want to say is we have to stop telling the story of level your bids to 10 and 1 shot everything
    Your hh90 is not uber, you know its not even average. Its -underpowered-
    @Joshcja -> i was talking about blade tempest not bids because Blade Tempest is the Ulti to use on robes because of the phys dmg like mentioned here before and i also used figures WITHOUT undine or genie skills or other debuff from BM or Veno and NON Crit Dmg.

    @Mizuoni
    i dont use the TT 90 glaive because i'll go for the inferno heaven sword in 99
    I used hh90 crit sword > +5 hh90 glaive > Aquadash > hh99 gold sword
    I tried to make it work. Its terrible. Aquadash gives about the same damage as hh99 sword so is very worth it. :S
    greetz harm0wnie
    Answers in cyan.
    Once again
    Your weapon...is....horribad...i...know...from...experience...
    Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »
    @Mizu: Yes Sir *takes of R8 Piece* :S
    oh baby <3
    @Adroit: I should really use a big, red, blinking text for my signature it seems. :P
    what is your sig o.o
    @HarmOwnie: Uhm.. More possibilities to farm gear? lolwhat? We have the exact same instances and the exact same number of BHs. There's nothing magically different between the servers. You can still go into HH, Nirvana or CV to farm your gear, just as you can on dreamweaver. And you can still pick 3 BHs a day and power level in frost just the same. Plus only because it's a pvp server does not mean it's all barbaric. We run normal HH squads, do normal drop splits, have normal guilds to farm gear for each other. The difference is if anyone steals mats, he will be kosed by the entire squad for the rest of his pwi days...
    QFT
    And why do you even insist on one shotting stuff without amps? Ofc you will not one shot stuff most of the time if u only mash the BT button, that is what amps are for. Use frenzy and/or EP, use undine, wait till that BM uses mag marrow, then use BT... You have to make everything possible to make your ulti count, even endgame. But first of all get a decent weapon and THEN start to complain about your low damage if you still feel the need to.
    Well if you are pro, you can one shot without amps

    Cyaaaannn
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The reason why i still find it easier to obtain good stuff on a PVE server is that we have more farmable instances compared to the PvP servers i know this from a friend who had a 90 wiz on Lost City and was impressed how much more possibilities to farm gear exist here on DW. Of course lvling is also a lot easier because we have 3 BHs a day while you only have 1 as far as i know. You are right when you say people on PvP server in general have a higher intention to improve their stuff but if you dont do it by spending $ the possibilities are more limited because i heared about people PKing eachother to take away the good drops in TT from the others in the squad ...

    btw i know that my TT 90 is no uberweapon but you should be aware of the fact that when you compare endgame weapons only it is ridiculous to say that Blade Tempest can 1 shot a robe because any archer can 1-2 shot a wiz with normal arrows then too. And if you ask me 2600 dmg NONcrit is just a joke when i compare it with the hits of a psy with black voodoo and TT but all i want to say is we have to stop telling the story of level your bids to 10 and 1 shot everything

    @Joshcja -> i was talking about blade tempest not bids because Blade Tempest is the Ulti to use on robes because of the phys dmg like mentioned here before and i also used figures WITHOUT undine or genie skills or other debuff from BM or Veno and NON Crit Dmg.

    @Mizuoni
    i dont use the TT 90 glaive because i'll go for the inferno heaven sword in 99

    greetz harm0wnie

    lost city has the same amount of bh'ss and farming instances as any other server your freinds about tarded

    and really? BT has 1/2 phys damage? well its not like a said that in my post or play a wizzy thanks you have opened my eyes to a new vista of pro wizzness

    and no fully buffed at endgame a wizzie will have 15k minimum phys def and a good 8k hp....the archer will not 2 shot you
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    lost city has the same amount of bh'ss and farming instances as any other server your freinds about tarded

    and really? BT has 1/2 phys damage? well its not like a said that in my post or play a wizzy thanks you have opened my eyes to a new vista of pro wizzness

    and no fully buffed at endgame a wizzie will have 15k minimum phys def and a good 8k hp....the archer will not 2 shot you

    Actually, most wizards aim for 10k fully buffed pdef.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    I thought it was 7k self buffed? I must be getting old.
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    I thought it was 7k self buffed? I must be getting old.

    Yea, seems about right. I am going to have about 7k pdef with +5 refined ornaments and sage stone barrier, more when I get Warsong belt and refine my ornaments higher. 15k seems a bit much, you really need kickass gear for that... Then again it's far from impossible or even improbable for a real endgame wiz. ;)
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Actually, most wizards aim for 10k fully buffed pdef.

    true enough most stop at 10k

    was going off endgame (aka highest grade gear with the adds you need +12 with either jades/ DoT or gems) anything under that is just late game or if you want to put it nicely "personal endgame"
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  • Pearlwood - Lost City
    Pearlwood - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    I thought it was 7k self buffed? I must be getting old.

    Not that old. 7500 pdef is just about right.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    I thought it was 7k self buffed? I must be getting old.

    7k self is about 10k-11k fully buffed b:sweat
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=a399d3b823e48012 only "costly" items would be cape and demon/sage barrier

    since when have g8 shards and +5 gear been endgame?
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  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=a399d3b823e48012 only "costly" items would be cape and demon/sage barrier

    since when have g8 shards and +5 gear been endgame?

    And your point is? The HP of that wizard is really, really low.. Let's clarify: 7k+ pdef minimum with full citrine shards and at least 5k hp if pure build.

    Also you are using demon barrier... With sage that build only has 6.5k, so it's harder for a sage wiz to reach 7k-7.5k anyway.
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Arenaceous - Lost City wrote: »
    And your point is? The HP of that wizard is really, really low.. Let's clarify: 7k+ pdef minimum with full citrine shards and at least 5k hp if pure build.

    Also you are using demon barrier... With sage that build only has 6.5k, so it's harder for a sage wiz to reach 7k-7.5k anyway.

    point was this idea of 7k self buffed being "endgame" phys def was established when tt 90 was endgame and +5 refines and flawless shards = cashshopper, the above build takes about as much coin as say...a 5 aps claw sin/archer at a similar refine

    1 sec while i make a build that would be considerd endgame by todays standard

    edit: ok here ya go http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8fcacf2cecc267d4 could be considered an actual "endgame" for a f2p player

    catering to your sage bias i threw on sage SB (the shard full hp at 90+ trend was popular when demon wizzies where the way to go so yes i will use a few garnets...sins...exist same reason orns are refines higher than armor)
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    back in the day, all mages shot for 7k+ pdef self buffed as their starter at 90+, then upgraded from there. as for hp, getting over 5k was a nice feeling. in my server the average 100+ mage who's been around for awhile has, usually, over 7k+ hp and 10k+ pdef self buffed.

    though, we've all established that we're not the farm class - we all have alts to get gear for our mains. it's quite common to see mages on a much higher level in other servers, an example being mine if you've seen the caclulators i've posted for it.

    another example, this holy mg in my guild:

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0aa65aba6e65785c

    that's not even her main. her main is a full +12 healer, and her farm alt is a +5~7 wr. never spent a dime on the game. I pity the pwi mages, though. cash shop has ruined this game, so has nirvana. it was hard to be a mage before, because you actually have to know how to play to be a mage; if a well geared 5/s wr comes your way now, might as well just forcelog
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=46ae4268195dbbc7
    b:surrendersad part is this mage would probably perform just as effectively as that rank8/nirvana mage if they have the proper skill.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=46ae4268195dbbc7
    b:surrendersad part is this mage would probably perform just as effectively as that rank8/nirvana mage if they have the proper skill.

    *takes off all buffs but stone barrier*

    <.< >.>
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *takes off all buffs but stone barrier*

    <.< >.>

    b:byeI'm sorry I have full buffs in TW.
    Even just self-buffed, it would still perform just as effectively if the person has the skill. It's not the best gear around, but its decent.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    the only thing good about that gear is that it's 4s(and the rings.. I guess). you could've spent the millions you put into making that 4s into getting real gear

    if you're full buffed in tw you're low priority, you should consider that an insult

    skill wont make that archer not 3shot you before hiero tick
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    the only thing good about that gear is that it's 4s(and the rings.. I guess). you could've spent the millions you put into making that 4s into getting real gear

    if you're full buffed in tw you're low priority, you should consider that an insult

    skill wont make that archer not 3shot you before hiero tick

    this but with a 1 shot if the archers rank 9...
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    the only thing good about that gear is that it's 4s(and the rings.. I guess). you could've spent the millions you put into making that 4s into getting real gear

    if you're full buffed in tw you're low priority, you should consider that an insult

    skill wont make that archer not 3shot you before hiero tick

    Didn't you say archers are not threat for wizard?b:chuckle
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    not a well geared mage. which is why i laugh at you, mr.pserver.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    not a well geared mage. which is why i laugh at you, mr.pserver.

    Do you think here are not super-uber geared archers?.b:chuckle
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    I believe the last time you crawled out of your little hole, I mentioned that I'm not solo'd by any archer. +12 rank 8, or nirvana. take your psuedo argument back to the depths.
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    I believe the last time you crawled out of your little hole, I mentioned that I'm not solo'd by any archer. +12 rank 8, or nirvana. take your psuedo argument back to the depths.
    I told, that I have hard time to kill archers. You argue, that they are not thread, that's is BS from you like usually. Rank archer with +10 rank bow hurts really much and it fact not myth.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I have to add something for the bladetempest DMG observation:

    when we tested it the psychic was in black voodoo but had soul of retaliation on so a part of the dmg (~1.2.-1.4k) was reduced by the skill so that means my Blade Tempest would do ~4k if i hit him with a blank shot

    @Lost City BHs: maybe they changed it in the meantime because the guy who told me that there is only 1 bh played Lost City before but then after a break now rerolled here on DW.

    greetz harm0wnie
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I told, that I have hard time to kill archers. You argue, that they are not thread, that's is BS from you like usually. Rank archer with +10 rank bow hurts really much and it fact not myth.

    archers are the weakest class, defensively. we're the strongest class, in terms of damage. how2struggle?

    and no, they're not a threat. especially when your entire set is +12, and you're level 150. b:shutup
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    the only thing good about that gear is that it's 4s(and the rings.. I guess). you could've spent the millions you put into making that 4s into getting real gear

    if you're full buffed in tw you're low priority, you should consider that an insult

    skill wont make that archer not 3shot you before hiero tick
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    this but with a 1 shot if the archers rank 9...

    my guild isn't short on wb's and wr's. Every squad has a priest. Thus, I'm fully buffed all that times with the few exceptions I might not have a wb's buff when a catabarb is absent. After going against +12 8jun EAs and a +12 warsoul EA, I'm not really too scared. And yea, they rarely kill me solo. b:surrender
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    my guild isn't short on wb's and wr's. Every squad has a priest. Thus, I'm fully buffed all that times with the few exceptions I might not have a wb's buff when a catabarb is absent. After going against +12 8jun EAs and a +12 warsoul EA, I'm not really too scared. And yea, they rarely kill me solo. b:surrender

    nobody kills solo in TW its about focus fire

    rank 9 comment still stands
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    nobody kills solo in TW its about focus fire

    rank 9 comment still stands

    Wizards can kill groups of people by themselves.. and focus fire is usually reserved for factor targets.. I generally just tab target to build chi and then ulti when I see a big group. I only really assist attack when a factor target is called
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    Current gear: pwcalc.com/6ab2893fbfb080a8
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited January 2011
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    Wizards can kill groups of people by themselves.. and focus fire is usually reserved for factor targets.. I generally just tab target to build chi and then ulti when I see a big group. I only really assist attack when a factor target is called
    ^this^
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    nobody kills solo in TW its about focus fire

    rank 9 comment still stands

    look up. Build chi > sage BIDS > next?
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
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