Wizerds are broken

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  • WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide
    WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Seriously wizards are the most broken class in the game. Since 5.0 came out i cant go head to head vs anyone with the same lev gear as me and win. Sins either 1 shot me from stealth or kill me in less then 2 seconds. Bms just oc ice and kill me in 2 secs flat, venos bleed me to death in 3 seconds, Barbs oc ice and arma me, archers just hit me 50 times in 2 seconds and i die. Psychics don't take any magic damage from me due to there shields and kill me with 1 or 2 hits. WTF IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME. IM r8 with decent refines and I cant fight anyone with the same Lev gear and win. Just BS.

    Wizards no longer have a role in PVP or PVE there is no reason to play a wizard. Way to ruin the game PWI.

    um, i'm a wizard, i don't have a role in pvp or pve? how can i put this? um, GO TA HELL BIZNATCH!!!!!!!! (light armor rock shield user with points in vit) boo ya

    maybe you just suck at playing a wizard?.....
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    light armor rules, and JOKERZz are the best. shaff, you meh dogg. Neko, you smexy redhead you, yer my favorite veno out there. Evo, yer straight up crazy. Lillie, thanks fer giving LA cerics a good name. hask, what can't you tank? Kyo, yer wizard biuld sucks, and yer obsession with aps annoys me, but eveni will admit, yer a frackin pro. Chick, our dad's would be great friends in rl, and we'd have so much fun messin with them. fer all the rest of the clan, *salutes* at yer service doggs.b:cool
  • Mobot - Lost City
    Mobot - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    um, i'm a wizard, i don't have a role in pvp or pve? how can i put this? um, GO TA HELL BIZNATCH!!!!!!!! (light armor rock shield user with points in vit) boo ya

    maybe you just suck at playing a wizard?.....

    That is the most noob thing i have heard anyone say. LOL ty for the laugh
  • WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide
    WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    That is the most noob thing i have heard anyone say. LOL ty for the laugh

    hey, don't knock the biuld till ya try it, it's actually pretty fun. and i'm not a noob, just wierd, and wierd biulds are just kinda my thing^^

    and yer welcome fer the laugh xD
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    light armor rules, and JOKERZz are the best. shaff, you meh dogg. Neko, you smexy redhead you, yer my favorite veno out there. Evo, yer straight up crazy. Lillie, thanks fer giving LA cerics a good name. hask, what can't you tank? Kyo, yer wizard biuld sucks, and yer obsession with aps annoys me, but eveni will admit, yer a frackin pro. Chick, our dad's would be great friends in rl, and we'd have so much fun messin with them. fer all the rest of the clan, *salutes* at yer service doggs.b:cool
  • Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    This is BS. I quit just 1 time and forever. I started complain when tideborns came out. And you coward why YOU changed your class? Herob:chuckle Why YOU choose the most powerful class? Idiot.

    I love how you call me an idiot when YOU'RE the one who has consistently shown your ignorance and lack of skills in every single one of your posts. I chose psy because I didn't know anything about that class and was curious. Why would I bother rerolling the same class on another server? I wanted a new experience, and this facilitated it.

    You've always complained. Your earlier posts were always like "QQ, I HAVE SO LITTLE DEFENSE AT 90." Then when Raging Tide expansion came it, it morphed into "QQ, I GET ONESHOT BY LVL 80 SINS IN CUBE."
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I love how you call me an idiot when YOU'RE the one who has consistently shown your ignorance and lack of skills in every single one of your posts. I chose psy because I didn't know anything about that class and was curious. Why would I bother rerolling the same class on another server? I wanted a new experience, and this facilitated it.

    You've always complained. Your earlier posts were always like "QQ, I HAVE SO LITTLE DEFENSE AT 90." Then when Raging Tide expansion came it, it morphed into "QQ, I GET ONESHOT BY LVL 80 SINS IN CUBE."
    I wasn't 1 oneshot by lvl. 80 sins in cube. This is pure lie. Prove and find it where I wrote it. I was killed by lv. 90 assassin in cube and it wasn't 1 shot. This is BS. So don't lie or prove it.
    Is really interesting that you were interested about new class so you played it till lv. 100?b:chuckle I think the true is you just switched class because you realized that tideborns>wizards. If you were just interested you didn't need to play till lv. 100 to know new class.b:chuckle You just catch yourself.

    And I'm not the person who can easily turn over my coat and add myself to the winners side.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Haiz - Lost City
    Haiz - Lost City Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Go light armor and get evasion ornaments along with all evasion gems.

    Then laugh at any sin, bm, barb, or archer who tries to kill you.
  • Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I wasn't 1 oneshot by lvl. 80 sins in cube. This is pure lie. Prove and find it where I wrote it. I was killed by lv. 90 assassin in cube and it wasn't 1 shot. This is BS. So don't lie or prove it.
    Is really interesting that you were interested about new class so you played it till lv. 100?b:chuckle I think the true is you just switched class because you realized that tideborns>wizards. If you were just interested you didn't need to play till lv. 100 to know new class.b:chuckle You just catch yourself.

    And I'm not the person who can easily turn over my coat and add myself to the winners side.

    I really don't care how much you sucked and am not about to search the forums to discern your level of suckage. Doesn't Vendetta have a forum base for you to troll? Btw, level 100
    took ~3 weeks with hypers so it's not much of a feat. But you wouldn't know that, would you?

    Back on topic, wizards aren't broken.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Why don't YOU go watch them. And not to ooo and awe, but WATCH them critically.

    The last one I saw, I saw uncharmed people with less than 5k hp. I'm not saying Adroit is good, or he's not good, or I am better than him or not better than him.

    What I AM saying is a fact - those people aren't much of a challenge for someone with his gear.

    And note his uber genie, which on my server would cost 30m or more to purchase - IF you could find one.

    AND note that for many of those fights, he is not solo but in squad with 2 or 3 other people or more.

    In fact I posted THIS after watching it:



    To which Adroit replied "You're right". Click the little red dot in the quote and read for yourself.

    Again, not an Adroit flame thread, but you should watch the video with a more critical eye and stop merely smelling his jock so much and concluding that wizards are awesome. Or at least do that before you attempt to use it as something to contradict what your betters have said here.

    Just a few comments.

    Those with less than 5k hp were just randoms that I was killing in the middle of good pvp. They were not the focus of the fight, and generally took less than 5 seconds of the video and were only included because I didn't want to cut a scene. What you point out in my videos are not the important details, but the minor details that have no importance.. still haven't figured out why you keep bringing them up.

    I do think that nearly all of my fights in my videos were a challenge for me, and thats why it was somewhat interesting to watch (I hope). Nearly every 1v1 in there is against someone that really outgears me, or is group pvp where I am outnumbered/outgeared or something. For example, several fights I would be outnumbered, but several of them were uncharmed so it still turned out to be a good fight.

    I'm planning on finishing up my next (maybe last) video in the next week or two.. so get ready with your "critical eye" to filter out 95% of my video and just see/comment on the 5% where I'm killing a lowbie or uncharmed player. Just an FYI, I don't have a problem with criticism if there is some reasoning behind it, but all you do is look for some excuse to disregard/discredit my posts/videos.. which makes me wonder if you feel somehow threatened by me b:chuckle
    Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
    Current gear: pwcalc.com/6ab2893fbfb080a8
    [SIGPIC]http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=684hgk&s=5[/SIGPIC]
  • WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide
    WhiteVodoo - Raging Tide Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    That is the most noob thing i have heard anyone say. LOL ty for the laugh

    really is it? cause i think this person gave me a run fer my money on that one.....
    Go light armor and get evasion ornaments along with all evasion gems.

    Then laugh at any sin, bm, barb, or archer who tries to kill you.

    um, LA wizard biuld is for Pdef, not evasion, i honestly hope yer kidding, but i can't tell sarcasm from text. any LA wizard, plz ignore that, or yer gonna have a very cruddy character.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    light armor rules, and JOKERZz are the best. shaff, you meh dogg. Neko, you smexy redhead you, yer my favorite veno out there. Evo, yer straight up crazy. Lillie, thanks fer giving LA cerics a good name. hask, what can't you tank? Kyo, yer wizard biuld sucks, and yer obsession with aps annoys me, but eveni will admit, yer a frackin pro. Chick, our dad's would be great friends in rl, and we'd have so much fun messin with them. fer all the rest of the clan, *salutes* at yer service doggs.b:cool
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    um, LA wizard biuld is for Pdef, not evasion, i honestly hope yer kidding, but i can't tell sarcasm from text. any LA wizard, plz ignore that, or yer gonna have a very cruddy character.

    Uhm, you are talking to Haiz, not Pandora... Of course he is kidding. ;) LA for endgame mages is just horrible... Low mag res, low damage and not significantly higher pdef...

    @Adroit: Ty for pointing this out, maybe you should insert an Eye of Oberservation shot/gear pw calc in the video describtion, so people know who you are up against.

    @Fizban: How dare you reroll a psy! Once you played a wizard once, you are only allowed to play one again - ever. Look at me! *stealths his sin* >_<
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Uhm, you are talking to Haiz, not Pandora... Of course he is kidding. ;) LA for endgame mages is just horrible... Low mag res, low damage and not significantly higher pdef...

    @Adroit: Ty for pointing this out, maybe you should insert an Eye of Oberservation shot/gear pw calc in the video describtion, so people know who you are up against.

    @Fizban: How dare you reroll a psy! Once you played a wizard once, you are only allowed to play one again - ever. Look at me! *stealths his sin* >_<

    Personally I found out that for me is best build Mix between LA and pure. But in fight with magic classes I need to switch p.def belt for m.def belt and I'm really fine. I have 1 piece of LA armor. Yes my magic attack is lower but it's compensated by critical hits, which are very useful in PvP.
    I tried lot of options. From heavy mage, LA, pure and this mix I found out the best.
    Barb cannot kill me. I don't need to use shrink. Just stay still.
    WR can kill me, but very hard and just sometimes.
    Archer is the worst for me.
    Magic classes I would say there is often draw.

    And the most important thing. On servers is much more melee classes than magical. So p.def I think nowadays is more important than m.def.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I have no idea what gear there is on your private server, but pdef for a full arcane wizard should not be a big issue. Here is the build I am going to use, no refine over +5 (except for wep ofc). I might refine my necklace to +7 or +8 tho, and maybe get a warsong barrier if I am lucky and find one cheap.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5eb290c00e478ca8

    With full (lvl 10) buffs it looks like this:

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=62f2b2f1184e2337
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Wow, just wow. Soooo much here that I don't think I can give my usual thorough rebuttal, so I will just have to summarize a bit.
    @Mumintroll
    Adroit's gear is almost under average on LC.

    Unfortunately for you all, this is NOT the lost city wizard forum. We are clearly talking about 2 different things. I am talking about the MAJORITY of players on the MAJORITY of servers thinking of choosing a wizard. You are limiting it to (I am sorry, but its true) a very small subset of those people.
    @Mumintroll
    Wizzies do fine 1v1. We just do much better in group pvp. TWs <3

    I don't think I ever said this. In fact, in other posts, the distinction between "just fine" and "end game god" has been well established by me. [insert link here] And I have never said anything different.


    Somehow, everyone gets their titties in a twister and acts as though I have said that wizards can't pk, or can't pk 1 vs 1, or the like. First, I have NEVER said that, here nor anywhere. Indeed, it would be a very, very odd thing to say because I pk DAILY solo, only self buffed.

    What I DO say, is that the myth of the op wizard at end game (as the payoff for sucking for 90-99 levels of play) is just that: a myth. If you are reading any of these dated posts by these so-called (or so-viewed) legendary wizards, they played an entirely different game, many have quit, lots have rerolled (say what you want, but to reroll from the "end-game god class" should be more telling than anything), and the few that remain that actually PLAY the game on their wiz have highly refined recast nirvana, +10 event ornaments, etc. etc. etc.

    If you like to play your wiz, great! Me too. If you like to pk on your wiz, great! Me too.

    If your just starting and you think there's some big payoff end game, or that wizards are the only class that can put up big numbers, or that you will be some kind of pk god, or that it won't cost you 10x more money or time than the majority of other classes out there - well, THAT is what I am saying is wrong.

    As even the great MageFiz admits here - Wizzies do fine 1v1. If you want to do good 1 vs 1 or god forbit great 1 vs 1 - don't roll a wiz.

    THIS is all I am saying.

    And Adoit, I don't know how I could be threatened by you. The fact that you say that makes you delusional. I am the least competitive person in this game - ask anyone that knows me.

    And I have told you I love the pk videos. They are super fun to watch.

    And you act as though I have said you have EVERYONE out geared, out leveled, etc. Quite the contrary - I was very specific in saying that on that SPECIFIC video, I see many people uncharmed, low hp, and given their low hp my assumption (which is certainly valid) is that they are sub-100.

    The other videos, I didn't comment similarly on - presumably because if those same factors were present there, or they were far less noticeable. Frankly, it wasn't important enough for me to remember. What I DO recall seeing (and commenting on) in those other videos is that nearly 90% of the kills seemed to be sage bids crits. Not that that's a cheap win or anything else, but just saying that for demon wizards or sage wizards that haven't gotten sage bids (don't get me started on doing cube with wiz vs barb or bm, etc.), it might be a different story.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    "nearly 90% of the kills seemed to be sage bids crits"

    Yea, because against better geared BMs this is a good possibility to try and bypass their charm. Why not use it.


    "(don't get me started on doing cube with wiz vs barb or bm, etc.)"

    I do cube daily on this wizard here, usually in like 30-40 min without losing money. Tickets are so cheap, lucky chests can be resold for a small profit. Only time I use do alls is room 34 if no one is there, 47 is a bit annoying yet doable...
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Yea, because against better geared BMs this is a good possibility to try and bypass their charm. Why not use it.

    Forgive me, but where did i say not to use it?

    This is what I mean by people putting up a straw man and arguing against something I didn't even say in the first place. It's tiring, and a sign of a weak mind.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    "nearly 90% of the kills seemed to be sage bids crits"

    Yea, because against better geared BMs this is a good possibility to try and bypass their charm. Why not use it.


    "(don't get me started on doing cube with wiz vs barb or bm, etc.)"

    I do cube daily on this wizard here, usually in like 30-40 min without losing money. Tickets are so cheap, lucky chests can be resold for a small profit. Only time I use do alls is room 34 if no one is there, 47 is a bit annoying yet doable...

    I think he means PK in cube. I did cube and it was super easy. Even 47 without charm was easy. I'm not telling now about PK just doing cube.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Pearlwood - Lost City
    Pearlwood - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    What I DO recall seeing (and commenting on) in those other videos is that nearly 90% of the kills seemed to be sage bids crits. Not that that's a cheap win or anything else, but just saying that for demon wizards or sage wizards that haven't gotten sage bids (don't get me started on doing cube with wiz vs barb or bm, etc.), it might be a different story.

    That was an interesting observation. Are u saying sage wizard with sage BIDS is the only way wizards can be good in pvp? Because make no mistake, Adroit is a good pvp wizard. That's no jock sniff. Seeing is believing, and that is a fact.
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    That was an interesting observation. Are u saying sage wizard with sage BIDS is the only way wizards can be good in pvp?

    No, not at all. But thank you for asking instead of assuming that I was saying that.

    I actually used to think demon would be better for 1 vs 1 pk, but i don't know that their control skills are reliable enough to make much of a difference.

    What I was saying is simple: if Adroit didn't crit on level 11 bids (sage being easier to crit on, I think that is not controversial), he probably wouldn't have been able to beat those opponents.

    So, to even effectively compete 1 vs 1, you need to be lvl 99+, have lvl 11 ultis, an 81+ LP genie and rely on your crit rate (low for wizards generally).

    Again, this is not to flame Adroit, or to imply anything that I am not saying, its to keep people who don't know any better from thinking they should roll a wizard for the wrong reasons.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    Personally I found out that for me is best build Mix between LA and pure. But in fight with magic classes I need to switch p.def belt for m.def belt and I'm really fine. I have 1 piece of LA armor. Yes my magic attack is lower but it's compensated by critical hits, which are very useful in PvP.
    I tried lot of options. From heavy mage, LA, pure and this mix I found out the best.
    Barb cannot kill me. I don't need to use shrink. Just stay still.
    WR can kill me, but very hard and just sometimes.
    Archer is the worst for me.
    Magic classes I would say there is often draw.

    And the most important thing. On servers is much more melee classes than magical. So p.def I think nowadays is more important than m.def.

    after reading numerous of your previous post involving your ever-important private server, i've come to the conclusion you've learned nothing about this class and you're still terrible.

    archers are the worst? the 1-shot class that can't kill any decent mage solo is what you have the most trouble with? you've never fought a wr with 20k+ hp and 15k+ mdef? what fail server did you move to? even in official pw, archers with +12 nirvana/rank bows don't solo me. what the **** are you doing wrong?
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    even in official pw, archers with +12 nirvana/rank bows don't solo me. what the **** are you doing wrong?

    Please remind everyone your hp and pdef so, again, they don't think your experience is typical.

    And also, please clarify "don't solo me". Are you saying that 1 vs 1, you would win 10 out of 10 tries? 8 out of 10 tries?

    For most wizards, Archers are THE class that kills you in TW and pk. Sure, sometimes they can be 1 shot with sleep, etc., but if they use genie and apoth and you are out of chi and have sleep on cooldown . . . . .b:surrender

    Wonders if Adroits videos show him 1 vs 1 any equally geared archers . . . .

    Or perhaps prof could put up or b:shutup and post a video of his own . . . .
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    after reading numerous of your previous post involving your ever-important private server, i've come to the conclusion you've learned nothing about this class and you're still terrible.

    archers are the worst? the 1-shot class that can't kill any decent mage solo is what you have the most trouble with? you've never fought a wr with 20k+ hp and 15k+ mdef? what fail server did you move to? even in official pw, archers with +12 nirvana/rank bows don't solo me. what the **** are you doing wrong?

    Archers on long distance are very dangerous because of their very high critics(on this server)+damage. If you are close to them, they switch to claw or fists and they are 5APS + lot of critics also, that's why they are so difficult to kill.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Archers on long distance are very dangerous because of their very high critics(on this server)+damage. If you are close to them, they switch to claw or fists and they are 5APS + lot of critics also, that's why they are so difficult to kill.

    Don't confuse him. He didn't play when Archers used fists . . . .
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Pearlwood - Lost City
    Pearlwood - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    No, not at all. But thank you for asking instead of assuming that I was saying that.

    I actually used to think demon would be better for 1 vs 1 pk, but i don't know that their control skills are reliable enough to make much of a difference.

    What I was saying is simple: if Adroit didn't crit on level 11 bids (sage being easier to crit on, I think that is not controversial), he probably wouldn't have been able to beat those opponents.

    So, to even effectively compete 1 vs 1, you need to be lvl 99+, have lvl 11 ultis, an 81+ LP genie and rely on your crit rate (low for wizards generally).

    Again, this is not to flame Adroit, or to imply anything that I am not saying, its to keep people who don't know any better from thinking they should roll a wizard for the wrong reasons.

    Well....hmm. If Adroit has average gear, and she does. And, puts out a video proving her credentials in pvp. Then, how can you fault a person for wanting to roll a wizard for exactly those reasons? The only explanation I can come up with, is you don't believe your eyes, or you think the videos were scripted. That's not an accusation. I'm just trying to understand your logic. I mean, it is what it is. [personally I love life in the dungeon, and I disagree with you on your observations of wizards and pve...but that's a different issue]
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Forgive me, but where did i say not to use it?

    This is what I mean by people putting up a straw man and arguing against something I didn't even say in the first place. It's tiring, and a sign of a weak mind.

    OK I've had enough now. You tell me I show signs of a weak mind and put up a straw man to argue against while that is just what YOU do? Surprised?

    You said:

    Assumption:

    "if Adroit didn't crit on level 11 bids (sage being easier to crit on, I think that is not controversial), he probably wouldn't have been able to beat those opponents."

    As conclusion you generalize:

    "So, to even effectively compete 1 vs 1, you need to be lvl 99+, have lvl 11 ultis, an 81+ LP genie and rely on your crit rate (low for wizards generally)."

    What tiny detail you left out - now another thing you keep telling the world I do period - is that I said:

    "against better geared BMs"

    And here is what Adroit says on the sage bids crits:

    "Maybe you don't know that Calvin/Marzenia/El33tDeath all significantly outgear me, and all of them are good at playing their class.. any one of them can kill me in less than 3 secs if they caught me when I'd be taking full damage. Standing there trying to out dps them would end in me getting owned. There are only 2 ways I can atk them while they are not atking me.. FoW and sleep. When they are FoW'd they can just drop to take half damage from my ulti.. which leaves me with sleep. In regards to my ulti choice, I don't have enough -channeling (only have -18%) to land MS while they are still slept.. so they have a chance to use an apoth pot or start dropping etc. That leaves me with BIDS and BT.. and BIDS does more damage + has a crit buff. Against people closer to my gear range I have more choices, but this is kinda what I was stuck with."


    I limited this to one class and to the fact that you go against better geared people and you start raging I put up straw mans and show signs of a weak mind. Sorry but you should realize that your conclusion is exactly what you are blaming me for. I even apologized for the rude tone of my first post in here earlier and you didn't even comment on it, yet you go and insult me randomly. Take a look into the mirror dude, honestly.
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    OK I've had enough now.

    I note for the record that you didn't point out where I said not to use sage bids.

    The rest of your rambling, and quoting adroit, I quite frankly don't follow.

    Adroit's quote is him explaining his choice of bids, but again - i never criticized his choice or said not to use sage bids.

    the fact that you continue this straw man argument while blasting me for pointing it out in the first place, is not terribly effective.
    Well....hmm. If Adroit has average gear, and she does.

    A +10 weapon is not "average". Maybe compared to pk wizards on LC it is, perhaps even below average, but again I have never said anything differently. You people all have the same disease. This is the PWI Wizard forum. Not the LC PK Wizard forum. You can't say its "average" in general, because it is not. Doing so misleads the vast majority of wizards in this game, which is PRECISELY what I am trying to prevent.
    And, puts out a video proving her credentials in pvp.

    There you are again, with that "credentials" ****. I have never said that wizards can't pvp. And the fact that alot of those videos have him in squad certainly doesn't do anything to rebutt my main point, which is 1 vs 1 pk. If you think it does, then you are wrong. If not, then your attempt to rebutt me with those videos is once again missing the point, which I have made to you specifically more often than anyone else. I won't repeat it here again.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I note for the record that you didn't point out where I said not to use sage bids.

    The rest of your rambling, and quoting adroit, I quite frankly don't follow.

    Adroit's quote is him explaining his choice of bids, but again - i never criticized his choice or said not to use sage bids.

    the fact that you continue this straw man argument while blasting me for pointing it out in the first place, is not terribly effective.

    Ok, that's it, ty for this discussion. We have reached a point were it doesn't even make sense for me to try to explain ANYTHING to you.
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Ok, that's it, ty for this discussion. We have reached a point were it doesn't even make sense for me to try to explain ANYTHING to you.

    You don't have to explain. Just back up what you say. You implied earlier (twice) that I said Adroit shouldn't use bids. All you have to do is show me where.

    The fact that you can't? Well, don't confuse that for you having to explain anything to me.

    And a straw man argument is a sign of a weak mind. If you don't like that, stop making them.

    The fact is, noone has done anything to contradict what I have said. They only attempt to contradict things I have NOT said.

    Perhaps because the things I HAVE said are, quite simply, true.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    Please remind everyone your hp and pdef so, again, they don't think your experience is typical.
    9,5k, 17k

    you've been playing awhile, you could have the same if you weren't lazy. it's a helluva lot easier now.
    And also, please clarify "don't solo me". Are you saying that 1 vs 1, you would win 10 out of 10 tries? 8 out of 10 tries?
    1v1 is a joke, for an archer to kill me they have to surprise atk with 3fury or gank
    For most wizards, Archers are THE class that kills you in TW and pk. Sure, sometimes they can be 1 shot with sleep, etc., but if they use genie and apoth and you are out of chi and have sleep on cooldown . . . . .b:surrender
    i'm comparing my official gear with some level 150 with full +12 refines. if my +10 set can do it without fail, why can't his +12? he even believes wearing a single piece of light armour is helping him..
    Or perhaps prof could put up or b:shutup and post a video of his own . . . .
    pc is too terrible to record during pk
    Archers on long distance are very dangerous because of their very high critics(on this server)+damage. If you are close to them, they switch to claw or fists and they are 5APS + lot of critics also, that's why they are so difficult to kill.
    learn to play a mage and you wont struggle with any archer, especially with that gear :|
    Don't confuse him. He didn't play when Archers used fists . . . .
    correction, archers have been using fist long before pwi even opened.
  • BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur Posts: 1,842 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »
    i'm comparing my official gear with some level 150 with full +12 refines. if my +10 set can do it without fail, why can't his +12? he even believes wearing a single piece of light armour is helping him..

    I note for the record that he is talking about level 150. I am sure lvl 150 wizards own everything. They rock. They are so op.

    Private server junk on our forums again. More fodder to confuse people that don't know better.
    "And as for bragging, I don't need to brag. I am famous, yo. My accomplishments are legendary. I am BLOODMYSTIC, speaker of truth, bane of the Barbarians of Impulse, slayer of the **** of Narla, liberator of all the free peoples of the Archosaur server, former master propagandist for our leader in freedom, Proski, and Archtroll of the PWI Forums. And now? Amiable pve wizard, beloved by all, aka BLUEMYSTIC. Pleased to make your acquaintance."
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    prof wrote: »

    learn to play a mage and you wont struggle with any archer, especially with that gear :|

    I would like to say there is no 79 skills, so no sleep or undine.
    And BLOODMYSTIC is right. I will no more confuse people.
    And your comment is BS as usually.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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