Wizerds are broken

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  • Ruxal - Harshlands
    Ruxal - Harshlands Posts: 150 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    The op is a very situational qq. It describes scenarios with which I am quite familiar particularly since I played bm, sin and wiz. This is my new wiz I am posting from. They also forgot to mention the molestation that is true emptiness and that balance on a bm is sooo awesome versus mag damage. Experience in pk allows you to read situations and use the appropriate skills including distance shrink etc when needs be. There is no doubt that in open field pk wizards are the softess targets to go after, with the exception of a few very well geared and buffed wizards.

    The flipside is that a wizard has the ability to take out every single one of those classes as well. The thing is that you can use occult ice as well as any other class. Sleep and seal are iffy because other classes have anti seal skills and insta cast distance covering skills. The idea though is once you target your victim to drop them before they can retaliate. Its similar to playing a sin except you can't stealth.

    Versus sins its really tough though but versus bms a little common sense goes a long way. Barbs are pretty situational and you usually fire a one skill to get a sense of how much hp you going up against. If its too much just leave that guy out. By the way the cloud erruption is great on wizzies. Versus psys I feel your pain but they too have a weakness (pots are your friends, its pk, rules don exist there).

    I could go on but I think the other downfall is that we all look at pk/pvp strictly in 1v1 terms. For me my fav pvp mmo was all about teamplay so 1v1 is watered down pvp in my opinion. From a team stanpoint a wizard is actually a heck of a class in PvP. I would love for PwI to have instnaced 4v4 battles in an arena type setting this would so pwn. I know some group would think 4 sins would pwn but I serioulsy doubt it.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    I would like to say there is no 79 skills, so no sleep or undine.

    can't kill without them? I've been pking since before their release. again, learn to play your class. b:bye
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Beside the fact that my post stands for it's own and has nothing to do with my level - I may be a level 81 wizard on lost city because I rerolled another char for farming, but I have a lot of experience as a wizard. It is also in my Lost City wizards sig, you could have read it before posting. ;)
    OWNEDDD!
    I was lvl 100 before Mumintroll on my Dreamweaver wizard, I posted on him earlier in this thread and pointed at my sig, where it says that this wizard is basically Xegeth #2, rerolled on a pvp server. I was one of the first really serious sage wizards, I think like third or fourth sage wizard getting the infamous sage ice dragon (Saitchiko was the first, I think Fizban teh second) on my server (Dreamweaver was pretty new when I started), I pked alot and I TWed a lot, I also trolled the forums a lot. And I was discussing wizard strategies, genies and gear setups endlessly ingame with people like Mizuoni, MageFizban, mytwen, Legacci and later SurferGirl... All pretty well known wizards on Dreamweaver...
    Granted, my statement was maybe sounding a bit pissy or arrogant - I hereby apologize if you felt offended, ok? But Mumintroll used to be really cool, was posting a lot in wizard forums - as was I and now he basically only rages about a - in his eyes - dead game that he doesn't even play anymore.

    No I meant I got a 73/80 LP genie for 10M, and that it shouldn't be all that heard t0 get a 81/100 genie from a 73/80, that is 4 lp at 90 and 100 average.

    Here is my genie as it is now:
    http://s1.directupload.net/images/101220/cis6y8sd.jpg
    ILY XEGGY POO<3
    @Mumintroll

    Stop trolling. Ever since you first started posting, all you do is QQ about how much you suck. I remember posts from when you were 95 and complaining about how you died to every class and how bad your pdef was. Even after you've quit, you STILL don't have the decency to stop complaining to people who don't care how bad you were/are/will be.

    @BLOODMYSTIC

    I loved your song lyrics, but let's just set some things straight here.

    Adroit's gear is almost under average on LC. Frankly, it's kind of bad. I don't know about Archosaur server, but mats on LC are probably cheaper and more people charge gold. Mobot's gear is probably comparable to Adroit's. He hasn't been 100+ for too long either. I'm pretty sure he sucks at playing wiz as much as I suck at playing psy (a LOT).

    Wizzies do fine 1v1. We just do much better in group pvp. TWs <3
    FIZZZYYYYYY! Text me you nab b:kiss
    b:cryAll of this makes me wanna play this dead game.

    btw BLOODMYSTIC or w/e
    +10 is pretty average if you have a nice faction. b:surrenderI had plenty of opportunities for +10 that i spent on rep. Even then, before I quit i was gonna +8 my weapon and get first cast nirvana. If you find yourself a nice group of friends and work hard, its possible. Adroit's gear is average. Tbh, my gear is better than adroits...and i stopped spending cash when packs came out.

    Anyways,
    Dead game is dead

    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Djavulen - Dreamweaver
    Djavulen - Dreamweaver Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Most people i know of that dont live in us cant pvp bc of all lag on DW

    Its impossible to pvp when your ping jump from 200-1000 :/
    But when i choose server it say that DW should have 100-125 in ping.


    Anyway with rank8 wiziz should be good in pvp :)
    But wiziz chanel their spells so sloooow.
  • Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    @BLOODMYSTIC

    When I said wizzies do fine 1v1, I meant they do well. Stop twisting what people say by trying to use small connotation differences.

    To spell it out for you, when I say "Damn, [Insert name here] looks fine!", I don't mean "Oh, [Insert name here] looks quite homely."

    @Miz

    chez said mera said no tw last week. i didn't even bother logging in dw to verify.
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Hey that's cool, then I did not miss TW. :O But I need to come next time, I bet it is fun... Oh and Mera should buy us all rank8 for christmas. So we can TW more effectively. :3

    Hai Miz ^_^ come play "this dead game"
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • DaKillanator - Raging Tide
    DaKillanator - Raging Tide Posts: 2,965 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Someone mentioned OP oraceling to 100, and this is what i have to say about that:

    even if you were a sin and you oracled to 100, you would get your *** kicked by 9X clerics simply because they'll exploit your noob mistakes the second you make them.

    A good example was just yesterday a lvl 96 sin tried to pk me. Under normal circumstances, a 96 sin simply targeting a 91 wizard is enough to kill it, but this sin was an oracle noob.

    So what happened? I saw him b4 he stealthed, he stealths, I'm only one in area with pk mode on, so I'm obviously the target and I prepare. I use dew star of protection, count to 3, then use crab meat. A second later he strikes (with tt80 dags lol), barely ticking my charm, and allowing me to retaliate.
    I use force of will, demon stone rain, it procs the stun, so i hit him with sandstorm, tick charm, use AD, gush him a little lower, sleep him, and BIDS him dead.

    Now what would of happened had he been experienced?
    First of all, he wouldnt of let me see him stealth. Or maybe he wouldve got some decent dags. He wouldve left the area, stealthed, and came back. Next up, he wouldve taken note of the apoc I had up, and simply waited it out. Same could be said for the crab meat. Also the main reason i could retaliate is because he couldnt chain stun for ****, which of course something any decent sin can do.
    Once I was able to seal him, he couldnt really do anything about that sequence. Not much to counter FoW, and the stone rain proc was a lucky break. So up until the charm ticking there wasnt a thing he couldve done. But when I used AD, he decided to try to DD me. Obviously fail for obvious reasons- I'm invinsible, and he's an idiot. What a naturally leveled sin wouldve done is wait it out in force stealth, then the second it wore off, he'd DD me to kingdom come.

    Point is, you need to read the forums, watch The Greats on Youtube (Nurfed ftw), and downright practice. You're going to be getting owned for MONTHS now because you made the mistake of not only oraceling, but oraceling to 100.
    That means that you wont get many lucky breaks like you would had if you leveled naturally. Had you leveled naturally, then you would of found the occasional fail player that you could beat around and practice with.
    But now? You dug your own grave, you're 10X and the only people to practice on are pro gamers.
    And what's worse is that you're on a PvE server, which means that the few people you DO meet in pk are most likely pros who spend alot on the game.

    I would honestly recomend to you, that if you really want to pk, that you need to reroll on a PvP server, maybe oracle up to 7X-8X, and just practice in pk against people your level, as well as level up at a normal rate, so that you can learn all the tricks of the wizard trade.

    Or you could keep cashopping until you have all +12 gears and just pick on poor people.

    I somehow think you'll decide to do the latter.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Someone mentioned OP oraceling to 100, and this is what i have to say about that:

    even if you were a sin and you oracled to 100, you would get your *** kicked by 9X clerics simply because they'll exploit your noob mistakes the second you make them.

    A good example was just yesterday a lvl 96 sin tried to pk me. Under normal circumstances, a 96 sin simply targeting a 91 wizard is enough to kill it, but this sin was an oracle noob.

    So what happened? I saw him b4 he stealthed, he stealths, I'm only one in area with pk mode on, so I'm obviously the target and I prepare. I use dew star of protection, count to 3, then use crab meat. A second later he strikes (with tt80 dags lol), barely ticking my charm, and allowing me to retaliate.
    I use force of will, demon stone rain, it procs the stun, so i hit him with sandstorm, tick charm, use AD, gush him a little lower, sleep him, and BIDS him dead.

    Now what would of happened had he been experienced?
    First of all, he wouldnt of let me see him stealth. Or maybe he wouldve got some decent dags. He wouldve left the area, stealthed, and came back. Next up, he wouldve taken note of the apoc I had up, and simply waited it out. Same could be said for the crab meat. Also the main reason i could retaliate is because he couldnt chain stun for ****, which of course something any decent sin can do.
    Once I was able to seal him, he couldnt really do anything about that sequence. Not much to counter FoW, and the stone rain proc was a lucky break. So up until the charm ticking there wasnt a thing he couldve done. But when I used AD, he decided to try to DD me. Obviously fail for obvious reasons- I'm invinsible, and he's an idiot. What a naturally leveled sin wouldve done is wait it out in force stealth, then the second it wore off, he'd DD me to kingdom come.

    Point is, you need to read the forums, watch The Greats on Youtube (Nurfed ftw), and downright practice. You're going to be getting owned for MONTHS now because you made the mistake of not only oraceling, but oraceling to 100.
    That means that you wont get many lucky breaks like you would had if you leveled naturally. Had you leveled naturally, then you would of found the occasional fail player that you could beat around and practice with.
    But now? You dug your own grave, you're 10X and the only people to practice on are pro gamers.
    And what's worse is that you're on a PvE server, which means that the few people you DO meet in pk are most likely pros who spend alot on the game.

    I would honestly recomend to you, that if you really want to pk, that you need to reroll on a PvP server, maybe oracle up to 7X-8X, and just practice in pk against people your level, as well as level up at a normal rate, so that you can learn all the tricks of the wizard trade.

    Or you could keep cashopping until you have all +12 gears and just pick on poor people.

    I somehow think you'll decide to do the latter.

    ..................................
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  • Mobot - Lost City
    Mobot - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Idk why you people cant just stay on topic. The fact remains that non heavy cash shopping wize's are basically screwed in PWI. Even at lev 100 I get ***** by every class with the same lev gear, I am not wanted in NIRVANA and have absolutely NO way to make $$. Life just sucks being a wiz. We are worthless.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited December 2010
    your facts only apply to you and the other failures who gave up before they started.

    f2p mage with full +10/11/12 gear and rank 8, gg? learn what a farm class is, then make one
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Idk why you people cant just stay on topic. The fact remains that non heavy cash shopping wize's are basically screwed in PWI. Even at lev 100 I get ***** by every class with the same lev gear, I am not wanted in NIRVANA and have absolutely NO way to make $$. Life just sucks being a wiz. We are worthless.
    what is this...
    prof wrote: »
    your facts only apply to you and the other failures who gave up before they started.

    f2p mage with full +10/11/12 gear and rank 8, gg? learn what a farm class is, then make one

    for once i agree with prof o.O

    even with my modest +5 gear, I'm considered one of the best wizards on DW :3
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    *hits mizuoni with a stick* oops i have no stick
    *hits mizuoni with a ball* come back alreaady :3
  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    what is this...


    for once i agree with prof o.O

    even with my modest +5 gear, I'm considering myself one of the best wizards on DW :3

    b:victory
    i like potato
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    *hits mizuoni with a stick* oops i have no stick
    *hits mizuoni with a ball* come back alreaady :3
    b:cryI don't wanna
    b:victory

    b:byeumadbro?
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Idk why you people cant just stay on topic. The fact remains that non heavy cash shopping wize's are basically screwed in PWI. Even at lev 100 I get ***** by every class with the same lev gear, I am not wanted in NIRVANA and have absolutely NO way to make $$. Life just sucks being a wiz. We are worthless.


    <- Spent a total of 360 over 2 years. Granted that's still... quite a bit imo, I used it to +10 my sword from 8 a year ago today, then I +8'd 3 pieces of armor about 5 months ago. Which isn't really that much considering when I got my nirvana weapon it was worth about 1k USD and now it's +12, so... I disagree. Nowadays, however, I can probably agree with what you're saying. The game has evolved into such a state that farming (unless you're 5.0) is near impossible, and even I have to use a 5.0 char to get anything done. Sad day when a +0 g13 weapon outdoes a +12 g15.
    "Amour is better suited to rainbow text, because he is a classy lady." - Nakhimov
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  • Pearlwood - Lost City
    Pearlwood - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    what is this...


    for once i agree with prof o.O

    even with my modest +5 gear, I'm considered one of the best wizards on DW :3

    I've found that some of prof's points are good. I don't think he understands the new age of genies very well, though.

    For instance, the ethereal gear that most wizards eschew in favor of protection gear (for pdef), can be better. It took me a long time to take my protection belt off and wear the ethereal rank belt. But, now that I have, it's staying on. The small loss in pdef is more than compensated for by additional HP and magic points/magic attack. The elemental defense boost is not necessary, but it's still a boost. I like it.

    As to the necklace, for a wizard in his 90s, I still favor the Sky Demon's Pearl, though. That is a terrific protection necklace that is reasonably obtainable.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I've found that some of prof's points are good. I don't think he understands the new age of genies very well, though.

    For instance, the ethereal gear that most wizards eschew in favor of protection gear (for pdef), can be better. It took me a long time to take my protection belt off and wear the ethereal rank belt. But, now that I have, it's staying on. The small loss in pdef is more than compensated for by additional HP and magic points/magic attack. The elemental defense boost is not necessary, but it's still a boost. I like it.

    As to the necklace, for a wizard in his 90s, I still favor the Sky Demon's Pearl, though. That is a terrific protection necklace that is reasonably obtainable.

    I like gaurd of thundershock better tbh. I only use rank belt for PvE O.o

    Yea i just looked. Gaurd of thundershock gives more HP and you still get to keep your pdef. O.o
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Pearlwood - Lost City
    Pearlwood - Lost City Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I like gaurd of thundershock better tbh. I only use rank belt for PvE O.o

    Yea i just looked. Gaurd of thundershock gives more HP and you still get to keep your pdef. O.o

    I'll check it out. Thanks for that. :)
  • HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
    HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver Posts: 574 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I'm kind of confused what this topic really is about because it seems to have changed from a class discussion to a thread full of accusations among wiz players from different servers.
    Even though some of you might consider me one of the mayor Q.Qers around here i'd ask you all to relax and discuss things from a objective point of view.

    Personally im playing on Dreamweaver which is a PVE Server and i simply do that because i dont like people PKing me when i grind mobs. ( dont get me wrong i like to play TW and PvP i just cant get fun out of slaying lower lvls and weaker players) And yes i like grinding with my wizard because it is great when you can kill mobs at your lvl or even higher without taking 1 single hit. Now some of you will stop and say fail because they consider wiz as a PvP class only. It seems to me that especially to the Lost City Wiz the PvP Abilities of the wiz seem to be more important which is understandable since it's a PvP server.

    But before another discussion about who has sufficient knowledge n stuff to play PK and 1v1PvP starts we should all talk about what are the strengths or weaknesses of our class and where is the place for a wizard in a 5APS Tideborn dominated PWI. I guess it is also time to stop painting the picture of the great endgame wiz who can 1hit all of his enemies.

    I mean BIDS MS and Blade Tempest are all equally awesome but they dont guarantee a kill. I tested my ulti dmg several times in a duel and in most of the cases the dmg is insufficient to 1 shot. I guess this comes because people here on dreamweaver have better average gear than people on Lost City because we got more people farming instances and building up gear whereas on Lost City the gap between good equipped and badly equipped players is even higher and having good stuff is more important since you might be forced to PvP anytime.
    for example a dmg test lvl 92 wiz (me) vs lvl 86 psychic ( friend) :
    I got a lvl 90 TT crit sword +2 with flawless shard
    Blade Tempest lvl 10
    Sage Fire Mastery
    psy in black voodoo
    not debuffed
    my Blade Tempest did 2.6k dmg non crit and 5.5k with crit
    i mean the 2.6k was enough to 1 hit because he is pure build and got 2.4k hp which is far below average here on DW because most of the wiz and psy around 90 got ~4k hp so i guess we should stop pointing out that our ultis are soo powerfull because unless a wiz got sage /demon ultis + a TT99+ Nirvana or Rank weapon i doubt that more than 5k dmg non crit can be reached ( im talking here from dmg without using genie skills that boost dmg like extreme poison or frenzy)

    so please when you keep on discussing the wiz class be fair and objective

    lg harm0wnie
  • CaeI - Lost City
    CaeI - Lost City Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    for example a dmg test lvl 92 wiz (me) vs lvl 86 psychic ( friend) :
    I got a lvl 90 TT crit sword +2 with flawless shard
    Blade Tempest lvl 10
    Sage Fire Mastery
    psy in black voodoo
    not debuffed
    my Blade Tempest did 2.6k dmg non crit and 5.5k with crit
    i mean the 2.6k was enough to 1 hit because he is pure build and got 2.4k hp which is far below average here on DW because most of the wiz and psy around 90 got ~4k hp so i guess we should stop pointing out that our ultis are soo powerfull because unless a wiz got sage /demon ultis + a TT99+ Nirvana or Rank weapon i doubt that more than 5k dmg non crit can be reached ( im talking here from dmg without using genie skills that boost dmg like extreme poison or frenzy)

    so please when you keep on discussing the wiz class be fair and objective

    I don't know why your damage is so low. I have a +6 Aquadash and my BIDS hits 5-6k on bm and barbs without extreme poison on frenzy and my blade tempest which is only lvl 8 hits 4k on arcane armour. This is when it's just average gear of course. I don't know why you're only doing 2.6
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I don't know why your damage is so low. I have a +6 Aquadash and my BIDS hits 5-6k on bm and barbs without extreme poison on frenzy and my blade tempest which is only lvl 8 hits 4k on arcane armour. This is when it's just average gear of course. I don't know why you're only doing 2.6

    Because she did it on magic classes and you on melee classes. Melee classes have much less m.def. That's why is your damage higher. Except BM with marrow on.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I'm kind of confused what this topic really is about because it seems to have changed from a class discussion to a thread full of accusations among wiz players from different servers.
    Even though some of you might consider me one of the mayor Q.Qers around here i'd ask you all to relax and discuss things from a objective point of view.

    Personally im playing on Dreamweaver which is a PVE Server and i simply do that because i dont like people PKing me when i grind mobs. ( dont get me wrong i like to play TW and PvP i just cant get fun out of slaying lower lvls and weaker players) And yes i like grinding with my wizard because it is great when you can kill mobs at your lvl or even higher without taking 1 single hit. Now some of you will stop and say fail because they consider wiz as a PvP class only. It seems to me that especially to the Lost City Wiz the PvP Abilities of the wiz seem to be more important which is understandable since it's a PvP server.

    But before another discussion about who has sufficient knowledge n stuff to play PK and 1v1PvP starts we should all talk about what are the strengths or weaknesses of our class and where is the place for a wizard in a 5APS Tideborn dominated PWI. I guess it is also time to stop painting the picture of the great endgame wiz who can 1hit all of his enemies.

    I mean BIDS MS and Blade Tempest are all equally awesome but they dont guarantee a kill. I tested my ulti dmg several times in a duel and in most of the cases the dmg is insufficient to 1 shot. I guess this comes because people here on dreamweaver have better average gear than people on Lost City because we got more people farming instances and building up gear whereas on Lost City the gap between good equipped and badly equipped players is even higher and having good stuff is more important since you might be forced to PvP anytime.
    for example a dmg test lvl 92 wiz (me) vs lvl 86 psychic ( friend) :
    I got a lvl 90 TT crit sword +2 with flawless shardBlade Tempest lvl 10
    Sage Fire Mastery
    psy in black voodoo
    not debuffed
    my Blade Tempest did 2.6k dmg non crit and 5.5k with crit
    i mean the 2.6k was enough to 1 hit because he is pure build and got 2.4k hp which is far below average here on DW because most of the wiz and psy around 90 got ~4k hp so i guess we should stop pointing out that our ultis are soo powerfull because unless a wiz got sage /demon ultis + a TT99+ Nirvana or Rank weapon i doubt that more than 5k dmg non crit can be reached ( im talking here from dmg without using genie skills that boost dmg like extreme poison or frenzy)

    so please when you keep on discussing the wiz class be fair and objective

    lg harm0wnie

    my wife one shots me on BIDS crits (unsparked but with EP+undune) with a +6 neon purg through 10.4k buffed m def and 8k hp (if i get barb buffs she has to spark+ crit)

    @ mumin he used blade tempest on arcanes...
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Because she did it on magic classes and you on melee classes. Melee classes have much less m.def. That's why is your damage higher. Except BM with marrow on.


    You should know that blade tempest does half physical damage and that psys have unbelievably **** pdef.

    And also, i have no idea why you're only doing 2.6k.
    My blade tempests on psys have consistently hit 5k+ when they have black voodoo on, and 4k+ if they are very well geared.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I'm kind of confused what this topic really is about because it seems to have changed from a class discussion to a thread full of accusations among wiz players from different servers.
    Even though some of you might consider me one of the mayor Q.Qers around here i'd ask you all to relax and discuss things from a objective point of view.

    Personally im playing on Dreamweaver which is a PVE Server and i simply do that because i dont like people PKing me when i grind mobs. ( dont get me wrong i like to play TW and PvP i just cant get fun out of slaying lower lvls and weaker players) And yes i like grinding with my wizard because it is great when you can kill mobs at your lvl or even higher without taking 1 single hit. Now some of you will stop and say fail because they consider wiz as a PvP class only. It seems to me that especially to the Lost City Wiz the PvP Abilities of the wiz seem to be more important which is understandable since it's a PvP server.

    But before another discussion about who has sufficient knowledge n stuff to play PK and 1v1PvP starts we should all talk about what are the strengths or weaknesses of our class and where is the place for a wizard in a 5APS Tideborn dominated PWI. I guess it is also time to stop painting the picture of the great endgame wiz who can 1hit all of his enemies.

    I mean BIDS MS and Blade Tempest are all equally awesome but they dont guarantee a kill. I tested my ulti dmg several times in a duel and in most of the cases the dmg is insufficient to 1 shot. I guess this comes because people here on dreamweaver have better average gear than people on Lost City because we got more people farming instances and building up gear whereas on Lost City the gap between good equipped and badly equipped players is even higher and having good stuff is more important since you might be forced to PvP anytime.
    for example a dmg test lvl 92 wiz (me) vs lvl 86 psychic ( friend) :
    I got a lvl 90 TT crit sword +2 with flawless shard
    Blade Tempest lvl 10
    Sage Fire Mastery
    psy in black voodoo
    not debuffed
    my Blade Tempest did 2.6k dmg non crit and 5.5k with crit
    i mean the 2.6k was enough to 1 hit because he is pure build and got 2.4k hp which is far below average here on DW because most of the wiz and psy around 90 got ~4k hp so i guess we should stop pointing out that our ultis are soo powerfull because unless a wiz got sage /demon ultis + a TT99+ Nirvana or Rank weapon i doubt that more than 5k dmg non crit can be reached ( im talking here from dmg without using genie skills that boost dmg like extreme poison or frenzy)

    so please when you keep on discussing the wiz class be fair and objective

    lg harm0wnie
    b:byethats your problem. I can one shot any psy in black voodoo. It's just too...easy....
    my wife one shots me on BIDS crits (unsparked but with EP+undune) with a +6 neon purg through 10.4k buffed m def and 8k hp (if i get barb buffs she has to spark+ crit)

    @ mumin he used blade tempest on arcanes...
    BIDS =/= BT
    You should know that blade tempest does half physical damage and that psys have unbelievably **** pdef.

    And also, i have no idea why you're only doing 2.6k.
    My blade tempests on psys have consistently hit 5k+ when they have black voodoo on, and 4k+ if they are very well geared.

    Did you look at her weapon? Innocent Reverie +2 with 2 flawless shards.... its terrible. ITS HORRIBAD. Get hh90 glaive +4 with 2 immacs and come back to me b:bye
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    You should know that blade tempest does half physical damage and that psys have unbelievably **** pdef.

    And also, i have no idea why you're only doing 2.6k.
    My blade tempests on psys have consistently hit 5k+ when they have black voodoo on, and 4k+ if they are very well geared.

    this gave me a chuckle, its just true xd

    negative defense lvl + cleric-ish-pdef = easy kill



    but there are some.. uhm.. 'monsters' running a.round to
    i like potato
  • ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver
    ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,457 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    this gave me a chuckle, its just true xd

    negative defense lvl + cleric-ish-pdef = easy kill

    mean wizzie is mean

    *cries in a corner*
  • Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver
    Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    I guess this comes because people here on dreamweaver have better average gear than people on Lost City because we got more people farming instances and building up gear whereas on Lost City the gap between good equipped and badly equipped players is even higher and having good stuff is more important since you might be forced to PvP anytime.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but people on LC don't all just hang outside SZ all day waiting to pk each other. There's probably more farming of instances than on DW.

    Pretty sure the average mage on LC has better gear than the average mage on DW. Even if we discounted the (countless) "outliers" with +12 NV/R9/etc, the average would still be higher.
  • Arenaceous - Lost City
    Arenaceous - Lost City Posts: 632 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    Sorry to burst your bubble, but people on LC don't all just hang outside SZ all day waiting to pk each other. There's probably more farming of instances than on DW.

    Pretty sure the average mage on LC has better gear than the average mage on DW. Even if we discounted the (countless) "outliers" with +12 NV/R9/etc, the average would still be higher.

    It's kinda funny considering we were crizisized for calling Adroits gear "pretty much average" or similar. And now it's the other way round - LC has badly geared people because they pk all day. Well, uhm no... They have better gear because they have a reason to improve, because there is competition endgame and no pseudo-pk between a handful pimped up people hanging around at OT. Trust me, I know the difference. I leveld chars to 100+ on both Dreamweaver and Lost City - So did Fizban btw.

    And I gotta agree with Mizu. Get a decent weapon and some genie skills/undine and you will be able to one shot some people. It's not that big of a deal. And it's nothing too important anyway... Who cares if your enemy dies in one or three shots as long as he hits the ground.
    "Of course you should fight fire with fire. You should fight everything with fire."

    "Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They're dead."

    - Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
  • HexOmega - Dreamweaver
    HexOmega - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,342 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    xegeth gimme ur gear, i need moar HP to go AFK at OT
    i like potato
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2010
    It's kinda funny considering we were criticized for calling Adroits gear "pretty much average" or similar. And now it's the other way round - LC has badly geared people because they pk all day. Well, uhm no... They have better gear because they have a reason to improve, because there is competition endgame and no pseudo-pk between a handful pimped up people hanging around at OT. Trust me, I know the difference. I leveld chars to 100+ on both Dreamweaver and Lost City - So did Fizban btw.

    And I gotta agree with Mizu. Get a decent weapon and some genie skills/undine and you will be able to one shot some people. It's not that big of a deal. And it's nothing too important anyway... Who cares if your enemy dies in one or three shots as long as he hits the ground.
    fixed
    Of course you agree with me! That is what yes men are for :3

    Now take that shirt off cupcake b:mischievous

    EDIT: I mean 8jun chest piece :S
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
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