Idea to help improve the APS problem.
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Galox - Heavens Tear
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Yeaah, QQ and all that or whatever, I'm sure this idea's been thrown around before and whatnot, but anyways, heres what I think could fix the 4/5APS problem (Yes, imo it IS a problem)
Make any class other than BM unable to spark while wearing Claws or fists, as I think it is the whole perma-spark thing what makes 4/5 APS a problem.
This would also make BM's unique. Really, before endgame, what are BMs? Tanks that can't hold aggro, DD's that aren't as good as Psy/Sin/Archer, they fill no real role. I love the BM class, and giving only them the ability to spark while using fists/claws should make them a lot more special. You could also make Claws/Fists BM only, but I think that will create a LOT of uproar for people who have invested in -int who aren't BM class. My idea will create outrage too, but I suspect it would not be as much. After all, you can still USE your 4 aps fists, just don't let them spark while using them
There is a problem, which could be fixed too. You could spark using daggers, lets say, as a sin, then switch to fists to get the damage bonus? Or, does the spark effect damage for the weapon it was used on only? If not, then give weapon changing a 10 second cooldown or something. Yeah, this idea is probably poorly presented, but I'm just throwing it out there for you to rip apart.
~Galox
EDIT: I know PWI will most likely ever do something like this at all. They make waaay too much money out of cashshopping 5aps-ers.
Make any class other than BM unable to spark while wearing Claws or fists, as I think it is the whole perma-spark thing what makes 4/5 APS a problem.
This would also make BM's unique. Really, before endgame, what are BMs? Tanks that can't hold aggro, DD's that aren't as good as Psy/Sin/Archer, they fill no real role. I love the BM class, and giving only them the ability to spark while using fists/claws should make them a lot more special. You could also make Claws/Fists BM only, but I think that will create a LOT of uproar for people who have invested in -int who aren't BM class. My idea will create outrage too, but I suspect it would not be as much. After all, you can still USE your 4 aps fists, just don't let them spark while using them
There is a problem, which could be fixed too. You could spark using daggers, lets say, as a sin, then switch to fists to get the damage bonus? Or, does the spark effect damage for the weapon it was used on only? If not, then give weapon changing a 10 second cooldown or something. Yeah, this idea is probably poorly presented, but I'm just throwing it out there for you to rip apart.
~Galox
EDIT: I know PWI will most likely ever do something like this at all. They make waaay too much money out of cashshopping 5aps-ers.
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The real problem isn't actually APS being broken in PvP, it's PvE where the largest imbalance is. The real solution that I can see is decreasing boss elemental resistance by 20-40% so those casters who have an APS complex can deal more damage to narrow the gap between DPH and DPS.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0
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Galox - Heavens Tear wrote: »This would also make BM's unique. Really, before endgame, what are BMs? Tanks that can't hold aggro, DD's that aren't as good as Psy/Sin/Archer, they fill no real role.
You never played a bm past 40, havent you.. lol
As for agro... Ckeck out some decent fist bms, youll be suprised. Unique, yeah all those other classes with 4 weapon paths and ~7 aoes, unbelievable b:shocked
And no to the solution.
I just dont think allowing bms only to have 5aps would fix anything.
Whoever can afford that kind of gear would just roll a bm, get to 100 in less than a month and tada, aps back lol[SIGPIC][SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Just want to tell i heard sort kind of news that saying aps limit will be reduced to 4.
And about the thread tittle . . Idea to help improve the APS problem.b:shocked[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Galox - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeaah, QQ and all that or whatever, I'm sure this idea's been thrown around before and whatnot, but anyways, heres what I think could fix the 4/5APS problem (Yes, imo it IS a problem)
Make any class other than BM unable to spark while wearing Claws or fists, as I think it is the whole perma-spark thing what makes 4/5 APS a problem.
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That would force every single PWI player to level up a BM to 100+ for pve purpose. You cant have a game where only 1 class is a functional endgame DD/tank, which would happen if only BMs could be perma sparked with claws/fists. I guess i can understand how some lowbie thats new to the game might think its ok, but those that actually works hard to farm in-game coins 99+ knows the idea is ridiculous and would make pve so unbalanced.
Even more so know since it seems assassin will be capped at 4.0 as well with new expansion, or thats what they keep QQ-ing about on Chinese PW forums. But that means any type of restriction concerning fists/claws in the future would make BM the only class that can be 5.0 + permasparked.0 -
Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »The real problem isn't actually APS being broken in PvP, it's PvE where the largest imbalance is. The real solution that I can see is decreasing boss elemental resistance by 20-40% so those casters who have an APS complex can deal more damage to narrow the gap between DPH and DPS.
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5 aps doesn't 2 shot 50+ [?] mobs without getting touched like I can, and that doesn't even require -ch. We all have our strengths.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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-chan has nothing to do with your ability to 2-shot. you being pure magic with a good weapon probably does though b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Why must everyone QQ about the APS? it's a part of the game. stop making threads that the 5aps sucks. i dont see the point.0
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Grats, your ideas don't mean sht to the devs, all this thread will do is bring more QQ.0
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I can't agree because you are saying to compensate for one broken system by breaking another. Also in my opinion 5aps is also broken in PvP.
1) It would be unfair to remove -intv from gear that has it already but a nerf to the effect of downgrading the -intv values would be aprropriate e.g. from -0.05 to -0.02 and from -0.1 to -0.04.
2) keep the blessing but reduce their uberness e.g. reduce jones from 30atk levels to only 10 and introduce a defensive blessing as well as a mixed blessing ala 5atk/5def lvls.
3) Increase the strength of Atk speed debuffs in terms of how much they can slow down attack speed.
4) Increase the hp of bosses and mobs in higher level instances (basically 90+ dungeons)
5) Increase the threat output of threat production skills taht barbs have.0 -
What did you guys think, this game is a democracy, where your ideas actually matter?0
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Okeano - Harshlands wrote: »What did you guys think, this game is a democracy, where your ideas actually matter?
Um, duh? What did YOU think it was, a subsidiary of a foreign company with game developers completely out of touch with the international player base?0 -
Galox - Heavens Tear wrote: »This would also make BM's unique. Really, before endgame, what are BMs? Tanks that can't hold aggro, DD's that aren't as good as Psy/Sin/Archer, they fill no real role.
Someone's never been zhenning, I see. Or GV or trophy mode for that matter where stuns and AOEs mean everything and aps means **** all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Its funny how people jump onto criticize everything that seems to put them on a disadvantage.
Since I joined,
First it was the nix bleed
Then sins stealth
And now APS.
Prior to 99 this so called 4.0/5.0 APS is not even possible to achieve by people. Its like suddenly a group of people are able to farm 1 particular instance faster and the thing is OPed and entire game mechanics need to be modified.
Its like "hey my class is unable to do that...so its OP and should be nerfed".
Over on the forums people argue that this is OP, that is OP but ingame its the very same people searching for the very ability they so much detest.
Truthfully, how many of u would refuse a 4.0/5.0 APS DD to squad with you? First do that and then ask the system to be changed.
If anything, i should say that "Remove Jones Blessing Completely" and youre so called uber fast damage would have its effect reduced.0 -
Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »Its funny how people jump onto criticize everything that seems to put them on a disadvantage.
Since I joined,
First it was the nix bleed
Then sins stealth
And now APS.
Prior to 99 this so called 4.0/5.0 APS is not even possible to achieve by people. Its like suddenly a group of people are able to farm 1 particular instance faster and the thing is OPed and entire game mechanics need to be modified.
Its like "hey my class is unable to do that...so its OP and should be nerfed".
Over on the forums people argue that this is OP, that is OP but ingame its the very same people searching for the very ability they so much detest.
Truthfully, how many of u would refuse a 4.0/5.0 APS DD to squad with you? First do that and then ask the system to be changed.
If anything, i should say that "Remove Jones Blessing Completely" and youre so called uber fast damage would have its effect reduced.
Nice post. Of course I'd still be able to 3 shot those mobs w/o getting touched which makes an insignificant difference for me but would put me at anadvantage to the 5aps toons. During double drops I ended up with 2nd tier Nirvana pants with +6 refine and 3 DoTs without any Nirvana runs. I did have the green mats for the TT99 pants though. Gonna love hearing the accusations of "CS'er!" while the low level merchants can earn as fast as me.
It's all finger pointing.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
nah..just make a cool down time on spark..nuff said.0
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so you actually want to replace the word 5aps with bm0
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Galox - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeaah, QQ and all that or whatever, I'm sure this idea's been thrown around before and whatnot, but anyways, heres what I think could fix the 4/5APS problem (Yes, imo it IS a problem)
Make any class other than BM unable to spark while wearing Claws or fists, as I think it is the whole perma-spark thing what makes 4/5 APS a problem.
This would also make BM's unique. Really, before endgame, what are BMs? Tanks that can't hold aggro, DD's that aren't as good as Psy/Sin/Archer, they fill no real role. I love the BM class, and giving only them the ability to spark while using fists/claws should make them a lot more special. You could also make Claws/Fists BM only, but I think that will create a LOT of uproar for people who have invested in -int who aren't BM class. My idea will create outrage too, but I suspect it would not be as much. After all, you can still USE your 4 aps fists, just don't let them spark while using them
There is a problem, which could be fixed too. You could spark using daggers, lets say, as a sin, then switch to fists to get the damage bonus? Or, does the spark effect damage for the weapon it was used on only? If not, then give weapon changing a 10 second cooldown or something. Yeah, this idea is probably poorly presented, but I'm just throwing it out there for you to rip apart.
~Galox
EDIT: I know PWI will most likely ever do something like this at all. They make waaay too much money out of cashshopping 5aps-ers.
both sin and archers own weps give -int as well. And if they try hard enough they can also get 4.0 aps.
So your idea failed
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Aelo - Harshlands wrote: »Also in my opinion 5aps is also broken in PvP.
/facepalm
Not thid idiocy again.
Because 5.0 BMs triple-spark so often in pvp? lol. Learn 2 pvp.
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I think loads of wizzys/psys/etc are just jealous of APS.
APS ppl make loads of money while the others just.....don't. rofl
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Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »I think loads of wizzys/psys/etc are just jealous of APS.
APS ppl make loads of money while the others just.....don't. rofl
w/e.......
If the wizzy or w/e class is -chan then they can easily make a lot of cash because the mobs would drop dead before they reached them xD (thanks to fast channel, but you still have to contend with cast time
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So far the classes that make the most cash are;
BM's
Sin
Barb
Cleric
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These threads remind me of the old QQ-nixes-are-op b:lipcurl0
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LifeHunting - Lost City wrote: »If the wizzy or w/e class is -chan then they can easily make a lot of cash because the mobs would drop dead before they reached them xD (thanks to fast channel, but you still have to contend with cast time).
So far the classes that make the most cash are;
BM's
Sin
Barb
Cleric
(SMART) Archer
I think it goes more like this:
BM
Sin
Archer
Barb
Cleric/Veno
Only because cleric isnt needed in nirvana runs.0 -
Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »I think it goes more like this:
BM
Sin
Archer
Barb
Cleric/Veno
Only because cleric isnt needed in nirvana runs.
Oh yeah, forgot that most clerics aren't needed in end-game nirvana runs. So yes, i'd say your listing is more accurate.0 -
Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »I think it goes more like this:
BM
Sin
Archer
Barb
Cleric/Veno
Only because cleric isnt needed in nirvana runs.
QQ wiz and psys aren't even on that list[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Sorry but you have no valid point to the topic. You merchant? Why are you even posting then in a thread about game mechanics and which allows for farming instances? YOU DON'T DO THESE, so you have no room to talk. b:byeDuring double drops I ended up with 2nd tier Nirvana pants with +6 refine and 3 DoTs without any Nirvana runs. I did have the green mats for the TT99 pants though. Gonna love hearing the accusations of "CS'er!" while the low level merchants can earn as fast as me.
It's all finger pointing.
And to the people, including you but not only, who talk about grinding mobs, I can only facepalm at that. Try make 10mil in an hour grinding then open your mouth. But of course you wouldn't know endgame stuff costs hundreds of millions and refining can get it to billions.
Well, I'm going to be nice here... when people say 5aps or aps problem, they don't necessarily mean 5aps or perma-spark in PvP. They mean "-interval" and "insane DPS" if you will. You don't need 5aps to **** an AA in 3 seconds.Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »/facepalm
Not thid idiocy again.
Because 5.0 BMs triple-spark so often in pvp? lol. Learn 2 pvp.
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Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »Well, I'm going to be nice here... when people say 5aps or aps problem, they don't necessarily mean 5aps or perma-spark in PvP. They mean "-interval" and "insane DPS" if you will. You don't need 5aps to **** an AA in 3 seconds.
But that's the thing, it's not really all that imbalanced. With my +11 deicides, I'll hit for 900 points a hit if you're fully buffed, maybe less. How many hits can you take before you die? Most decently geared and charmed arcane users take 6-12 hits... which is anywhere from 2-4 seconds. It's not as imbalanced as you like to believe.
With sins, that's a whole different story. I'm a BM discussing my views. b:byeI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
LifeHunting - Lost City wrote: »If the wizzy or w/e class is -chan then they can easily make a lot of cash because the mobs would drop dead before they reached them xD
Clearly you have no clue what you're talking about, let me tell you why:
Firstly, I will assume that don't have any 5.0 characters, nor do you have any at 100+ (Based on your constant whining and moaning on world chat).
Secondly, what do mobs drop that are so valuable to merit the earning of "a lot of cash"?
Oh, that's right, nothing.
Let's compare, shall we?
A superultimateleet-chancasterthatcanpewpewallthemobs - 1 hour of grinding
A crappy 5.0 DD "making money", i.e. Nirvana - 1ho- wait, they've already finished in less than an hour and made easily 20 times what the caster made in 1 hours worth of grinding.
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