is 5ap being removed?

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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Hecklar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The Rumor of the 3.33 Cap came from PW-CN if you haven't noticed, that's where we've been getting all of our patches from, Ie dq downgrades, TW mess-ups, the constant pack sales and other nonsense. What happens in CN USUALLY happens here, don't freak out at the one person worried that they might change the game. They have GOOD reason to believe it, PW-CN nerfed their 5 apps for second to balance the game, to stop people from soloing TTs from farming coins and ruining the game economy with drop prices etc. As far as I know the game didn't drop down a black hole either, still there, still works, just no bms soloing TTs anymore. And about the Wizards in TT thing, I stopped looking for wizards for TTs, because most of them were pure, pure=Steal aggro and die; also there's only 6 spots in Squad, and Wizards don't contribute any crucial buffs. Veno=Free tanking Barb=Tanker of harder bosses Cleric=Barbs best friend (and parties) Archer=Sharptooth + DD Bm=Defence buff and dd Wiz=Hazard.

    Except that it didn't happen there either. Unless someone provides a link to source, that is.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Except that it didn't happen there either. Unless someone provides a link to source, that is.

    The only thing that happened is that the dev team mentioned on the dev blog that they're considering reducing the attack speed increase from demon spark and also raising the damage output to 550%. There was so much outrage a day or two later they mentioned that it won't be happening.

    It never made it past the suggestion phase.
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  • Kairu_ - Sanctuary
    Kairu_ - Sanctuary Posts: 226 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    they seriously should reduce it though, I'm an aps bm and frankly I'd like it capped at 3.33. tbh it does unbalance it WAY TO MUCH. 3.33 is a decent blance and it's not permaspark. 2.86 even. that way even in pvp/pk 5aps doesn't get as bad as it is now. 2.86 sounds mroe reasonable then 3.33, but 3.33 their will be less QQ. 2.86 means the'll half to wait a few before demon sparking again. i'd say cap 3.33, and 2.86 for sage (demon spark has to have an advantage with the speed or sage spark would becoem 100% better). that way it would also balance sins a little. at least then the'd be easier to cope with in pvp circumstances. as well as fists with roar/occult.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    they seriously should reduce it though, I'm an aps bm and frankly I'd like it capped at 3.33. tbh it does unbalance it WAY TO MUCH. 3.33 is a decent blance and it's not permaspark. 2.86 even. that way even in pvp/pk 5aps doesn't get as bad as it is now. 2.86 sounds mroe reasonable then 3.33, but 3.33 their will be less QQ. 2.86 means the'll half to wait a few before demon sparking again. i'd say cap 3.33, and 2.86 for sage (demon spark has to have an advantage with the speed or sage spark would becoem 100% better). that way it would also balance sins a little. at least then the'd be easier to cope with in pvp circumstances. as well as fists with roar/occult.

    Umm. No.

    You should have saved all the money you spent on hypers and put it towards saving for tome.

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  • Kairu_ - Sanctuary
    Kairu_ - Sanctuary Posts: 226 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    um yes, nurf it. and for yoru information, i've only spent 800k on hypers. 2 sets of x12 that's all. unlike most the noobs thad do play this game I've been here for over a year. i don't really cs but the occasional 10-20 and even that's not that often. 5aps really does need to be nurfed. to around 3.33. it sounds fairly reasonable to me and alot more balanced then 5aps is in comparison to the other classes. i'd love to post on my main but sadly she's banned from fourums from ranting on the anni packs awhile back.

    edit: i dont' know why ti says sep: 2010 on the join date considering I've had this bm for well over 4-5 months. maby it's because i didn't start posting on the fourums with this toon till around then.
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    To all the idiots saying "but I saved up a couple hundred mil/CSed for 5aps I deserve 5x damage!", roll a non-interval class and dump same amount of money and see the increase in damage/effectiveness isn't nearly there.

    You are spoiled brats who cry about your investments when others clearly don't get the same benefit so shut up with that **** argument already. You don't deserve ****. I wish people here played more balanced MMOs especially regarding the "investments" because the amount of crying from -int classes about their investments makes me laugh how they think it's "justified".

    Look up warsoul who has atk +50 and how much it costs... that is the scale at which investments are considered in this game, exponential.
  • Lejont - Raging Tide
    Lejont - Raging Tide Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    um yes, nurf it. and for yoru information, i've only spent 800k on hypers. 2 sets of x12 that's all. unlike most the noobs thad do play this game I've been here for over a year. i don't really cs but the occasional 10-20 and even that's not that often. 5aps really does need to be nurfed. to around 3.33. it sounds fairly reasonable to me and alot more balanced then 5aps is in comparison to the other classes. i'd love to post on my main but sadly she's banned from fourums from ranting on the anni packs awhile back.

    edit: i dont' know why ti says sep: 2010 on the join date considering I've had this bm for well over 4-5 months. maby it's because i didn't start posting on the fourums with this toon till around then.

    so if 3.33 sparked should be maxed do we all get refunds of the gear we bought to get 5aps?
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    To all the idiots saying "but I saved up a couple hundred mil/CSed for 5aps I deserve 5x damage!", roll a non-interval class and dump same amount of money and see the increase in damage/effectiveness isn't nearly there.

    You are spoiled brats who cry about your investments when others clearly don't get the same benefit so shut up with that **** argument already. You don't deserve ****. I wish people here played more balanced MMOs especially regarding the "investments" because the amount of crying from -int classes about their investments makes me laugh how they think it's "justified".

    Look up warsoul who has atk +50 and how much it costs... that is the scale at which investments are considered in this game, exponential.

    Go away borsuc, you're an idiot. More typical QQ from failed mage I see. b:bye
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Well typical copy-pasted response from you, I guess asking you for the logic of why fists/claws/daggers are the only ones who "deserve" to get the high returns (damage) with the investments while everything else doesn't is too much right?
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    To all the idiots saying "but I saved up a couple hundred mil/CSed for 5aps I deserve 5x damage!", roll a non-interval class and dump same amount of money and see the increase in damage/effectiveness isn't nearly there.

    You are spoiled brats who cry about your investments when others clearly don't get the same benefit so shut up with that **** argument already. You don't deserve ****. I wish people here played more balanced MMOs especially regarding the "investments" because the amount of crying from -int classes about their investments makes me laugh how they think it's "justified".

    Look up warsoul who has atk +50 and how much it costs... that is the scale at which investments are considered in this game, exponential.

    who's crying? looks like you are. if you invested the 1B to make an instant wiz, and people where calling for a -40% channel cap, you would be mad at them too. the crying thats going on here is people who dont have a 4.0/5.0 character and are jealous, not the other way around.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    who's crying? looks like you are. if you invested the 1B to make an instant wiz, and people where calling for a -40% channel cap, you would be mad at them too. the crying thats going on here is people who dont have a 4.0/5.0 character and are jealous, not the other way around.

    Quoted for truth.

    borsuc is just a little cry baby. Everything is too hard, nothing is fair. Cash shop is evil. Cat shops ruin the game, etc...
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  • I_sage_i - Harshlands
    I_sage_i - Harshlands Posts: 332 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    who's crying? looks like you are. if you invested the 1B to make an instant wiz, and people where calling for a -40% channel cap, you would be mad at them too. the crying thats going on here is people who dont have a 4.0/5.0 character and are jealous, not the other way around.
    +1
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Quoted for truth.

    borsuc is just a little cry baby. Everything is too hard, nothing is fair. Cash shop is evil. Cat shops ruin the game, etc...

    he allways has been and he allways will be.
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Instant channel ~= 2x DPS due to cast time. Idiot.

    Disproportionate returns on investments? Oh wait wasn't that my whole point. b:bye
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Instant channel ~= 2x DPS due to cast time. Idiot.

    Disproportionate returns on investments? Oh wait wasn't that my whole point. b:bye

    For the price of a full -interval BM you could have +12 Nirvana weapon. Last I saw a +12 Nirvana weapon hit for over 400k in one hit in Nirvana and over 800k in Rebirth.

    Spend some money or farm instead of crying.

    Or go back to pokemon online.

    b:bye
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Instant channel ~= 2x DPS due to cast time. Idiot.

    Disproportionate returns on investments? Oh wait wasn't that my whole point. b:bye

    actually it isn't, since you can channel a second spell while the first is casting, idiot.

    maybe you've never seen instant wizards, i have.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b89f5b5e2b354540

    instant wiz sparked, and pretty close too it with demon quaff. if you invested this into a character, im sure you would have no trouble finding a squad for anything.

    and before you say the chan stones dont exist, they calculate as -3 even though they say -6.

    ornaments with higher chan are possible, same with sleeves. I've only used ornaments i've actually seen.
    (i made a -9 neck, tombvixen made a -12 belt)
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Private servers much? That has been fixed years back on here. But oh wait, of course it's just speculation on your part, not like anyone bothered with that much channeling because they know it. Even the most OP cash shopped wiz here admitted "full channeling build" is not worth it. b:bye

    Go play on your private servers and leave us alone.
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    For the price of a full -interval BM you could have +12 Nirvana weapon. Last I saw a +12 Nirvana weapon hit for over 400k in one hit in Nirvana and over 800k in Rebirth.
    I can't believe you are talking bull**** like Deora did in another thread, and you know it. 400k in Nirvana which has NO TRASH MOBS and only 1/4 reduction BOSSES.

    Are you effing kidding me? With a +12 nirvana?

    I'd like to see it and all the GM amps put there, because my math says it's kinda impossiblish if you get what I mean. Or you talk out of your *** again, typical from non-wizards though.

    I think you added an extra 0, to be honest.
  • Asheera - Raging Tide
    Asheera - Raging Tide Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Ok I was trying to debate and do this nicely but now it turned into a flame fest. I'm out b:surrender
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  • AbdulK - Lost City
    AbdulK - Lost City Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b89f5b5e2b354540








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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Private servers much? That has been fixed years back on here. But oh wait, of course it's just speculation on your part, not like anyone bothered with that much channeling because they know it. Even the most OP cash shopped wiz here admitted "full channeling build" is not worth it. b:bye

    -99% chan works. Notice how her build had exactly -74% base chan. 0-90% normal, 91-99% as well. -100%+ reverts back to -90%.

    That is, if that one poster was right. And I think we was; after all, he was the one who told us about the nerf.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    not the way brosucks tells it, chan wizzies are garbage.

    why not re-roll a melee class if you are so sick of failing as a wiz then?
    i dont think crying on the forums that nobody wants you in a 3-3 or nirvana party is helping you one way or the other.
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Ok I was trying to debate and do this nicely but now it turned into a flame fest. I'm out b:surrender
    Considering the amount of threads from different people about 5aps and being a known "phenomenon" (to call it that way without bias), and the few who always start the flame fests (I can count them on one hand I think), it's not surprising.

    Personally I think they should just stop trolling every thread about 5aps. A certain ban on someone also made the forums much cleaner for a while.
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    not the way brosucks tells it, chan wizzies are garbage.

    why not re-roll a melee class if you are so sick of failing as a wiz then?
    i dont think crying on the forums that nobody wants you in a 3-3 or nirvana party is helping you one way or the other.
    You are one of those examples, and have quite a big mouth for little substance. I'm gonna call it the way the internet meme does:

    PWI Vid or it didn't happen. b:bye

    (and possibly use it against a fish or on a psychic instead of wiz -- makes it more updated, if you want)
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    PWI Vid or it didn't happen. b:bye

    Can it be a MY-EN or CN vid too? Or any other official PW version?
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    You are one of those examples, and have quite a big mouth for little substance. I'm gonna call it the way the internet meme does:

    PWI Vid or it didn't happen. b:bye

    (and possibly use it against a fish or on a psychic instead of wiz -- makes it more updated, if you want)

    My friend had around -80% chan sparked once. I think he might still have that video on his comp where he's showing his speed. It was done after the nerf, around two years ago. I know it's not exactly what you wanted but if it was done now, it would be like this.
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    Can it be a MY-EN or CN vid too? Or any other official PW version?
    Not sure about CN -- but MY definitely no... at least since it's so back behind and they are just getting their tideborns. I'm not too informed of the other versions though, so I apologize if MY is also fixed but I'm skeptical about it.
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Not sure about CN -- but MY definitely no... at least since it's so back behind and they are just getting their tideborns. I'm not too informed of the other versions though, so I apologize if MY is also fixed but I'm skeptical about it.

    MY is fixed as well to my knowledge. If my sources are correct the change happened three years ago.

    Plus if I show you a video about -80% chan mage it doesn't matter as channels less than -90% we're not affected anyway.
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  • Kairu_ - Sanctuary
    Kairu_ - Sanctuary Posts: 226 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    funny, when people say just reroll 5aps if you don't like your class it's kinda proving them right that 5aps is broken ijs. it's because they like their class but 5aps broke the other classes that use it so badly that no other class can come close. to half to be told to reroll 5aps just because you don't **** everything that exists is exactly why they mention it's OP. sheesh people really are blind to reasoning now days. and on bosses with 1/4 dmg wizzies dont hit 400k-800k lol. 100-200k (that's counting crits) then that's understandable. but 400-800k is way far fetched for pwi.

    edit: only time I'd think their'd be close to 400k, is with 100% amp from HF, and a veno's myraid rainbow mind shattering them (0 mdef), hell throw in extreme poison and undine while your at it. as for the -channel wizzy if your casting with like no channel. that's x2 dmg yes but x2 dmg on wizzy can out DD 5aps possibly. if somebody had that much -channel lol. if you count in spamming sandstorm, glacial snare and divine pyrogram ect. the insanely long channel's lower cast then it's a little more then x2 dmg imo. and even with 1/4 on bosses fists do around what 2.6k-3k's with decent fists in demon saprk vs wizzies 20-40k averages. double or more then double your output and maby you can out DD 5aps with a really insane -channel wizzy as well as still completely **** pvp lol (exceptions being sins)
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Are you effing kidding me? With a +12 nirvana?

    I'd like to see it and all the GM amps put there, because my math says it's kinda impossiblish if you get what I mean. Or you talk out of your *** again, typical from non-wizards though.

    I think you added an extra 0, to be honest.
    Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    edit: only time I'd think their'd be close to 400k, is with 100% amp from HF, and a veno's myraid rainbow mind shattering them (0 mdef), hell throw in extreme poison and undine while your at it.

    400k fully amped crit on 1st boss.... hmm... perhaps it was 200k and I'm thinking 400k on Neinbeast, I'll ask next time he's on. 800k+ on either 5th or 6th wave fully amped boss, that I'm absolutely positive about... On PWI, not some private server.

    b:bye
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  • Kairu_ - Sanctuary
    Kairu_ - Sanctuary Posts: 226 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    on a boss kinda fits it. rb bosses dont' suffer from 1/4 or even 1/2 dmg. so if you smack say a good 100-125k, and it crits to 250k. then HF amps it to 500k. add in attack auras boosting it way up as well based on your normal matk before they buff you + cleric buff + a ton of amps. that makes a little more sence but i can probably see mroe around 600k then 800k but in rb when your pumped like all hell from some of the godliest auras in the game then it would make a little more sence. in pvp wizzies have been known to crit for 100k+'s. in normal pve no 1/4 dmg that's probably on average 400k (granted most of those are undined amp'd crits). but in TT the 1/4 dmg 400k is 100k. and if it's a crit the'd average 50k. if they 90% -channel that's more. as for the 100k+ pvp crits that's most times also tripple sparked . . . i think. don't quite me on that as I've never asked any of them if it was sparked or non. but with +12 nirvana wep your matk would allow for easy 50k normal shots tripple sparked. (not so much on TT bosses, or rb mobs/nirvana bosses seeing as their 1/4 dmg). just my 2 cents. 2 wizzies in 1 party or wizzy + psy with even 1 having undine raises the ouput of both of them by a good chunk but alone their not as useful. put them together and their really useful.


    but frankly. an easy way to get wizzies invited to party's is make a few tweaks to their frostblade so that even a 5aps bm/sin can have a good benefit from it. say 3 5aps and frostblade makes enough dmg boost that it's worth wizzy over a 4th 5aps. just a suggestion. especially since then undine strike from wizzy would even amp the fist bm's dmg + his own dmg lol. either way 5aps is broken as all hell even you can admit that.
  • PsyVic - Sanctuary
    PsyVic - Sanctuary Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    are u guys stupid or what??

    5 aps is way to much and we all know that well.
    cost of 5aps fist bm or daggered assasin is much cheaper then -99% chanel wizz
    making it 3.33 aps or even less doesnt make u weaker with TT/Nirvana or anything but chances to kill wizz with stone barrier on or any other class are getting lower and we all know that. and thats the biggest problem i belive. u will not be able to show off like u did before and situacions like "stop killing me or im gonna bring my 5aps friend" are gonna be ended.

    wizz/psychic can deal biger dmg for a cost of speed
    assasin/fist bm can deal same dmg as wizz/psy over time
    barb his huge hp are suppose to make him stand 2-3 hits from wizz/psychic at least
    cleric his heal skills are suppose to keep him alive
    archer his mix betwen speed and streanght should make him compared to arcane or mele in certain situacions
    veno got his pet who helps him

    thats what every class got as his advantage
    problem is:
    wizz/psychic can deal to much dmg 1 hiting every1
    5aps assasin and bm can kill any1 in 1 sec
    barb with his huge hp + arma can 1 hit any1
    archer with his 3+ aps and mele dmg compared to wizz can kill any1 in 1 sec
    veno and his nix can kill most of the LA + arcane
    cleric is the most balanced class in pwi

    thats if we talk bout PVP
    in PVE wizz cant 1 hit boss by any chance so there is 2 ways left
    either killing boss safety over 3-5min with wizz, psychs, cleric, barb
    or kill it in 30-60 sec with 5apses

    there are 2 choices either PWI will increase dmg/hp/aps to every class till they find balance and 10 lvl char will be able to solo tt
    or they will reduce everything by a bit to balance it and TT and everything else are gonna be a bit harder (nothing suppose to be easy or at least takes 5 min to finish)

    youre sincerly
    PsyVic
  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited October 2010
    I will post the video tomorrow when it's ready in Youtube. The stats:

    Base -chan: -48%
    With demon Wellspring Quaff: -68%
    With demon spark: -73%

    It's relatively cheap to get. http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=927b35e431c193fb The build used was not that, but that's one way to get it.
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