DQ Update! *Dragon Points*
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frankieraye wrote: »Don't worry guys, the majority of DQ Items will be applicable for the system.
Why not all of them? Again, just dumb. Or are you going to increase the price of the DQs that can't be used in this system?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Curious to see how this will turn out at the end
Should we all start saving our dq drops now?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Esteven - Heavens Tear wrote: »FIXED >.> sorry about the colorsb:surrender
points 1G DQ/G old DQ Cost per Gold Special 10 6000 600 780 468000 DQ91 9 6000 667 640 426667 DQ81 8 6000 750 570 427500 DQ71 7 6000 857 480 411429 DQ61 6 6000 1000 425 425000 DQ51 5 6000 1200 380 456000 DQ41 4 6000 1500 315 472500 DQ31 3 6000 2000 220 440000 DQ19 2 6000 3000 160 480000
445233 = ave price including all DQs
points per turn in
6000= total points needed to make 1 gold
Amount of DQ items need to make a gold per set group
Diff from old DQ prices (Not sure if exact, Based on 20% reduction)
Cost per Gold only using 1 group set
Average price of gold with all DQs
1 Silver = 60 points
So what your suggestion would do is give them the coins and an extra piece of gold. Well, that won't happen, that's for sure. At least not if it's actual Gold and not Event Boutique Gold. And if it's the latter, then the rates need to be pushed up higher by quite a lot, since Event Gold comes in batches of 50 from the whatever-event.
Oh, and btw, I'd expect the increase to either be just about worthless, or in the range of covering 1-15% of the 20% we lost.
Certainly strange that they can negotiate a whole new addition to the game and not a simple edit. That alone makes me suspicious about this whole new system. My guess is that it's gonna be another Tiger Badge-like fiasco. If we're lucky, I'd say 10-15%, but only after hoarding a huge crapton of the DQs for a proper trade-in.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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Please for the love of all that is holy, sacred, blessed, and otherwise unhealthy no more mirages. They're like the dimes of perfect world.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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But Mirages can be sold. >_> Even 10k each can be significant depending on how many DQs you'll need to sell to get them.Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »Please for the love of all that is holy, sacred, blessed, and otherwise unhealthy no more mirages. They're like the dimes of perfect world.
The thing we're worried about is that we won't be able to recoup the money we lost with the price change.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Lupumid - Sanctuary wrote: »Please for the love of all that is holy, sacred, blessed, and otherwise unhealthy no more mirages. They're like the dimes of perfect world.
Well here you go, 5 Celestone Fragments for your 5 DQs. How's that?
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Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »Well here you go, 15 Celestone Fragments for your 5 DQs. How's that?
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Immaculate Citrines pl0x.
Well maybe not for 5 DQs... >.>'[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
SerenityMare - Dreamweaver wrote: »Immaculate Citrines pl0x.
I actually realized that 15 Celestone Fragments for 5 DQs would lead to the following:
For 50 DQs, you'd get 150 Celestone Fragments
150 Celestone Fragments = 6 Mirages
6 Mirages = 60,000 coins
Price increase per DQ = 60/50 = 1,250 coins
That'd be what, 30% more on DQ91s?
So yah, I recounted it to be 5-10 Celestone Fragments, which would roughly be 10-20% on DQ91s. That'd actually be 20% or more on any DQ worth 2080 coins or less. Which would be kinda awesome.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
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Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »I actually realized that 15 Celestone Fragments for 5 DQs would lead to the following:
For 50 DQs, you'd get 150 Celestone Fragments
150 Celestone Fragments = 6 Mirages
6 Mirages = 60,000 coins
Price increase per DQ = 60/50 = 1,250 coins
That'd be what, 30% more on DQ91s?
So yah, I recounted it to be 5-10 Celestone Fragments, which would roughly be 10-20% on DQ91s. That'd actually be 20% or more on any DQ worth 2080 coins or less. Which would be kinda awesome.
You actually think they would weight the DQ19s the same as the 91s b:chuckle0 -
Esteven - Heavens Tear wrote: »You actually think they would weight the DQ19s the same as the 91s b:chuckle
Yeah well that's where the problem arises. The Celestone Fragments wouldn't do, since anything below, DQ61 or so would get too high an increase even at 1:1 ratio. In some cases, the Celestone Fragments would be so pricey that you'd end up with ridiculous ratios.
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ok i know that im just beggin to be flamed but i would like to just say a few things in defense of the way the game is being run.
i have playing for almost a year, somewat a cashshopper but def. not a oracle grinder (not sure what constitutes the label cashshopper), but too busy with real life to be a hardcore gamer(my friends that got me started are...). i have managed to stay just a few levels below them and to get a pretty decent assortment of gear and fashion. i frequent the AH a lot and i grind DQ's here than there while i do quests.
now i understand that people think the reduction in DQ prices was some master plan to punish players for playing, but i think i can see how the devs needed to make that change to combat a problem that is prevalent on CHINESE SERVERS. the fact that we are being effected makes it feel vindictive, but this game is a localization of the original, so chinese devs will make changes that effect us as is their wont (we also expect to gain any positive benefit chinese alterations incur as well right?)
without causing a flamewar, i think the people that demand that the compensation not only exactly (or in excess, cuz we can never say no to more right? we're americans(for the most part) after all aren't we?) but retroactively are being a bit too critical about the situation. it's a game, and if a system is proving to be capable of being exploited don't you think the people responisble for it's administration have a duty to make whatever changes they need? while botting is not a major issue in PWI, it CAN BE, and as the player base of this game gets higher in lvl, you can leave ti to people to get the idea in their head that doing something you're not supossed to is the proper course of action (multi-clienting, and all other attempts at cheating)?
I also find that no matter what the GM's try, any change made is flamed because it changes the ease that experienced players do things. not all but enough ppl complain about any course of action that doesn't just GIVE you free things for little to no work. I completely agree that the TECHNICAL ISSUES with the game require attention (i think these DQ/TW issues should take a backseat to rubberbanding personally) and that we should be providing positive feedback rather than crying for exact compensation and for it to be retroactive.
I actually like how the idea sounds, and it seems to me that the fix is tailored to reward people who play rather than people who charge, or people who cheat, or people that dont try to play the game.
The fact that items we redeem will be untradable indicate either items that will replicate popular items (subs, hypers, charms, etc...), or provide expanded usefulness from other parts of the game. i think it would be of greater substance for us as a body of players to make useful suggestions like a few people prior to my post have done. i just wanna try and put my 2 cents in and see if any of it sounds good.
my take on what frankie said sounds like new items that benefit the player that actually plays, so i wanna think we will be getting things that adjust combat or movement; if i were in the dev team, i would simply make a bunch of items with a timer that replicate popular items we buy from the cash shop or a variation of those things.
how about:
time-limit tomes: some people dont use tomes, why not plant some abilities on them and put a 7 days time limit just like the jone's blessing, but they wont ape the actual tomes; they can have abilities we normally encounter on random gear drops. the tomes will have a random benefit.
stones that add some of the random attributes you get on random gear: the stones not being tradable mean the regular folk will be saving those 3*'s and creating custom gears, or better gear. as an added benifit, merchanters will be able to make better items that lowbies or pk'ers will want to buy, heck even reg players will buy for in between mold-gear stuff!
REPUTATION ITEMS~!!!: i would be VERY pleased if they do this, because now non-cashshoppers will be able to attempt looking towards rank gear. if they did this, it would totally make up for the price reduction in my mind, and without being exacting on exactly how much it is worth. this will also drive the market up for Dq items to being with, so its will stimulate the pwi-economy in a positive way imho.
genie exp cubes: not the ones we can sell, but lower valued ones that lowbies can use to keep their genies somewhat up to date with their current level. BH and other exp-heavy quests kinda leave the genie behind in lvls and i think this would be of slight benifit, but greater use when coupled with other, more substantive items.
thats all i have in my head, but other than i thought it might be a good idea to allow for coloring of in-game gear. the only reason i say that is so maybe factions can have like a uniformed look to them.0 -
If the GMs hadn't spent the last 5+ months ignoring them I think the response would be a lot more positive.
As it is, I'm hopeful to see the update, but I reserve any praise until I see it in action.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
yes the GMs ignore, because all solutions take 2 days and some redbull to finish. i take those responses as being unreasonably demanding(that is not directed at you alphae). the GM's dont have the sort of power you expect them too, and the devs dont have to explain every change. the game is still playable, and while i sympathize with no-cash players having a hard time while cash shoppers enjoy sales..... encouraing rather than flaming works tons better, and not to sound naive, but they really do try to help make the game enjoyable.0
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Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »yes the GMs ignore, because all solutions take 2 days and some redbull to finish. i take those responses as being unreasonably demanding(that is not directed at you alphae). the GM's dont have the sort of power you expect them too, and the devs dont have to explain every change. the game is still playable, and while i sympathize with no-cash players having a hard time while cash shoppers enjoy sales..... encouraing rather than flaming works tons better, and not to sound naive, but they really do try to help make the game enjoyable.
I don't frankly care if it takes a year to do it right but at least tell me WHAT you are doing, and NO "we are working on it" every 2 months does not count.
Give me some actual progress notes. I think that is how a good deal of forum goers feel.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Father_gold - Sanctuary wrote: »REPUTATION ITEMS~!!!: i would be VERY pleased if they do this, because now non-cashshoppers will be able to attempt looking towards rank gear. if they did this, it would totally make up for the price reduction in my mind, and without being exacting on exactly how much it is worth. this will also drive the market up for Dq items to being with, so its will stimulate the pwi-economy in a positive way imho.
It's called Trophy Mode. Get a good squad together and do it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"subtraction has the butt of an angel" - Paulrogers
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Subtraction.
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »It's called Trophy Mode. Get a good squad together and do it.
Some non-cash shoppers don't have the coin to spend on something like Trophy Mode. I know that I always had a rough time making my coin balance out my repair bill when grinding (and yes, I do remember the grinding days). I almost always made it, or some factionmate would happen to pass by me, and the next thing I knew there was mail. My point is, Trophy Mode is pretty expensive for the casual player, and unless you find a squad that is good at it, you will likely waste all that coin.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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KrittyCat - Dreamweaver wrote: »Some non-cash shoppers don't have the coin to spend on something like Trophy Mode. I know that I always had a rough time making my coin balance out my repair bill when grinding (and yes, I do remember the grinding days). I almost always made it, or some factionmate would happen to pass by me, and the next thing I knew there was mail. My point is, Trophy Mode is pretty expensive for the casual player, and unless you find a squad that is good at it, you will likely waste all that coin.
Practice runs...d'oh.
Seriously, I would not do TM with a random squad here until they've done a couple practice runs. No use wasting the money on TM if you know the squad can't make it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I Subtraction.
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I hope they implement that "White Dragon Pet Egg" That's been in the DQ rewards since the game came out- I've always said I'd do DQ the day they gave us dragons and I still stand by it! b:victory0
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »It's called Trophy Mode. Get a good squad together and do it.
trophy mode starts at fb69 i believe. to make good profit on TM, your squad would need to be what lvl, and on top of that, i would say pretty well geared for that matter. TM is for higher level players, my proposition applies to all and can be done by solo players (as in not having to wait for your trusted sub-group of friends to be online AND available to you).
please note that the vein of my suggestions are applicable to ALL players of ALL types, but specifically benefits players that dont use money, actually play the game as in doing quests, helping faction mates, etc.... you know, the things that people do when playing "in the spirit of the game" lolz
i mean really, rather than have exacting (in-game) monetary compensation, i would be just as content with more content in the 60+ levels that doesn't include grinding 200 of something for no reason. i would REALLY love to see more PQ's and also more things to do on the map. How about expanding the use of random attacks on dreamweaver and silver pool by targeting various little towns or have random groups of mobs with a boss-like mob (of course within the lvl range of the ara) pop up in the random unused protions of the map. it would be similar to how WB and mini-bosses appear, but without a stationary spawn point? i think if these things were GM triggered, it would require the GM's to be in-game a bit more and allow for tailoring of these scenarios. the rewards for these random events would be of course to scale and on par with that of mini-boss WB loot.
the one stumbling block i can see in implementing this is to ensure that the elite factions can't camp em and hoard em, i must say this must be a big prob to the devs/GM's since it means a VAST minority of the players will ever see or witness or participate in the content.
at the same time i think TW does indeed deserve better treatment. i hear in [other game] factions(or the equivalent) have holdings that they must defend around the clock (i may be wrong), but why not build on top of TW instead of from the ground up? why not reset it to how it was with maybe keeping the blind bidding, but also set hours where your territory is in danger of attack by mob waves (similar to RB) led by a boss monster. i think it would kinda prevent take overs and keep it lively if there's gonna be something to do "in" the territory. it would also keep elite TW faction busy enough that lesser factions would be able to experience some of the things on the map.
Again, i think flaming even with the amount of reason the players are given is counter productive, when we should be advocating additional content over compensatory action. we all come across as greedy (many if not most of us are) and i think the negativity affects the likelihood of the GMs/mods saying much or anything at all.0 -
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GREAT suggestions Father gold!!!0 -
Sooo...collect an extruciating amount of DQ items for orbs or socket stones or who knows what ROFL[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Married to MasterLucian
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My favorite part of this is that we were told about it before it happened.0
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frankieraye wrote: »Certain DQ items, when vendored at NPCs, will not only give you in-game coins, but also "Dragon Points" on our site. Once you accumulate enough of these points, you will then be able to redeem them for various in-game items!
Something for nothing... no matter how cheesy the item still a good thing.
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DrSheets - Sanctuary wrote: »Something for nothing... no matter how cheesy the item still a good thing.
!~Sheets
Theres no such thing as something for nothing in PWI, cos what they give! they take back, and make you pay in some other way.0 -
I think this may turn all right. So we are still getting the amount of coins that we have at the moment, plus we will get an amount of dragon points for buying boutique items.
I hope this dragon points can be used on the normal boutique so people can combine the money they make from dqs and the points they have got.0 -
Azura - Lost City wrote: »I think this may turn all right. So we are still getting the amount of coins that we have at the moment, plus we will get an amount of dragon points for buying boutique items.
I hope this dragon points can be used on the normal boutique so people can combine the money they make from dqs and the points they have got.
Compensation or gift ?
If compensation will be more than the 25% of cost of sold to NPC DQs, then it will be gift.
And if someone sold 100 DQs per day, real compensation can't be more than cost of 25 DQs (if this is compensation).
For example, I sold
100 Flat Peach, which cost now 232.000 coins or 80% of previous cost.
Then compensation can't be more than (100/80-1)*232,000=(20/80)*232,000=25% of *232,000=58,000 coins.
If now gold cost something about 400,000 coins (just for example), then I can buy 14 silver using above compensation.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Azura - Lost City wrote: »I think this may turn all right. So we are still getting the amount of coins that we have at the moment, plus we will get an amount of dragon points for buying boutique items.
I hope this dragon points can be used on the normal boutique so people can combine the money they make from dqs and the points they have got.
hmm somewhere along the way the "in game items" that frankie stated had turned (or speculated) into "boutique items" ?
Anyway PWI finances comes from their boutique items and it is unthinkable that they will be willing to make it so that non CSer can get boutique stuffs without paying a dime which will cut down on their profits in the long run. Oracles, potions, resurrection scrolls, temp blessings, etc is what im guessing the useful in game items will be.
Although they could implement it with boutique rewards, it will either requires a ridiculous amount of DQP or a serious reduction in drop rate. ...or both b:laugh0 -
frankieraye wrote: »Pretty sure they're not going to be tradeable; we're trying to affect the economy as little as possible.
Good question
oh the irony
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^this.SerenityMare - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ha.
Depending on what the 'in-game items' we are going to receive makes this worth it or not...
Until we know what the items are and how many points needed...There really is not much to discuss, imo. b:chuckle
Can't say I'm not interested in it though, it does sound interesting. xD
I have to wonder, since people complained about DQ prices for a long, long while and now it's been "fixed" (We won't know until it happens,) It makes me curious about if we complain about TW for a while....0 -
Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »^this.
I have to wonder, since people complained about DQ prices for a long, long while and now it's been "fixed" (We won't know until it happens,) It makes me curious about if we complain about TW for a while....
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