[Discussion of Territory War Changes 8-5-10]

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Who are you kidding? The people who TW make enough money from TW alone they don't need to be cash shoppers. You may buy gold but get real, none of you use real money! If you do, its for luxury, NOT TW.



Seriously? I mean.. do they honestly have dungeons and games and bosses and dailies and other things to do? You mean signing on once a week to do TW isn't the only reason to play? /sarcasm! You are right! There is so much more to do. Those of us who don't TW make it just fine WITHOUT TW pay. They will learn to cope and do it too.



Its b/c its the easiest way to make money. Those who do TW and own lands are ticked b/c now their income is squashed. Let them feel how the rest of us feel all the time! They can go work hard grinding for their money rather than showing up for 1 hour tw to get it all!

You don't get it do you, honestly it's people like you, the idiotic people that were convinced everyone in a TW faction was making millions of coins a week.

Here's a hint: we LOSE money by doing TW, only know we lose 4 to 5 times as much, and the more you win, there's no reward.

EthikaII - Heavens Tear

Do this maintnace for 1 month XD

Bean - Lost City

Anneliesse - Heavens Tear wrote: »

couldnt have said it better myself... though i almost think they dont give a damn about this game/servers dying...they do have a new one about to launch after all.... perhaps they hope the money will jump to the new game.

I would like to point out that there are a few silver linings in this that both you and Elayne might not see or appreciate. As Elayne himself has said, the major cash shoppers might leave. This might not necessarily be a bad thing. Take for example Eve online, most people who now play Eve online had played Eve online for a while because it is very difficult to play the game when all the high level players can and will actively oppress the lower level characters.

Point two is that having a bunch of guilds having TW not out of actual desire to control the whole map is also not necessarily a bad thing. The reason why two or three major guilds can actively hold the map is due primarily as you said from the charm money they get from TW. Remove the charm money and presto, High-lower/ mid level guilds can actually attack large guilds and break them up because big guilds don't necessarily have the will to chew through charms to defend all their lands.

That being said, this system is definitely going to make a lot of people unhappy, especially the major cash shoppers, but it may not be such a bum deal after all, it will depress people until certain guild attitudes chance to that of just wanting to own land for the sake of owning land.

XXSairaXx - Archosaur

I'll just leave this here.

truekossy

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Who are you kidding? The people who TW make enough money from TW alone they don't need to be cash shoppers. You may buy gold but get real, none of you use real money! If you do, its for luxury, NOT TW.



Seriously? I mean.. do they honestly have dungeons and games and bosses and dailies and other things to do? You mean signing on once a week to do TW isn't the only reason to play? /sarcasm! You are right! There is so much more to do. Those of us who don't TW make it just fine WITHOUT TW pay. They will learn to cope and do it too.



Its b/c its the easiest way to make money. Those who do TW and own lands are ticked b/c now their income is squashed. Let them feel how the rest of us feel all the time! They can go work hard grinding for their money rather than showing up for 1 hour tw to get it all!

And this, everyone, is an example of someone who has no idea what the hell they're talking about. Coincidentally, it's mostly people like this who support all of the changes to TW that just occurred.

Lejont - Raging Tide

yay teh massacre has begun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! people on harshlands are dieing all over the place its nice to even see kyling getting rolled so zulu keep on pking every white name yuh c

MysticRaine - Sanctuary

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

FW is even worse, the currency system is not the same, so you have to spend money to get most cash shop items..

You cant make money baing smart and then make fortunes (like me) ... its getting to point of being pay to play.. and more expensive b:surrender

I am in a big TW faction at my level theres not allot to do ... ya make a alt or something we TW non stop to defend... we do it for fun but you look a hp charm for gold is about what 1.4 to 1.6 a plat 3 mil easy not to mention mp charms eat throw them like no tomorow... and it cost to build towers and to get the Catapults TW pays to help with that and the sever has level so has everyone in Niv or tt99 gear... they want to minimize the coin but yet bring out more packs... its gotten really the only way to make money in the game is to grab the credit card and charge way... cant make money on tt the drops are horrible anymore niv getting to where you cant make money there either... i tell you this i will not charge gold anymore and TW now really no point in it what the heck everyone going to do with Mirage Celestones really come on now... and for smaller factions they do win the Mirage Celestones will never help them to build up so its a no win for anyone! Its getting really to whats the point of even playing anymore!

grimangel91

Not this way - Ary

hwo shal i make it appropriate?

Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear

My beautiful post that would fix everything forever is being ignored QQ

Takumeme - Dreamweaver

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

You don't get it do you, honestly it's people like you, the idiotic people that were convinced everyone in a TW faction was making millions of coins a week.

Here's a hint: we LOSE money by doing TW, only know we lose 4 to 5 times as much, and the more you win, there's no reward.

So you're complaining, why?

Schampooo - Raging Tide

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

You don't get it do you, honestly it's people like you, the idiotic people that were convinced everyone in a TW faction was making millions of coins a week.

Here's a hint: we LOSE money by doing TW, only know we lose 4 to 5 times as much, and the more you win, there's no reward.

come on, be honest, if they dont make money at least the necesary to buy what they need, ppl wouldnt make tw at all b:chuckle

starting with leaders, they took money for their own pocket sometimes o.o

Sherae - Lost City

Bean - Lost City wrote: »

I would like to point out that there are a few silver linings in this that both you and Elayne might not see or appreciate. As Elayne himself has said, the major cash shoppers might leave. This might not necessarily be a bad thing. Take for example Eve online, most people who now play Eve online had played Eve online for a while because it is very difficult to play the game when all the high level players can and will actively oppress the lower level characters.

Point two is that having a bunch of guilds having TW not out of actual desire to control the whole map is also not necessarily a bad thing. The reason why two or three major guilds can actively hold the map is due primarily as you said from the charm money they get from TW. Remove the charm money and presto, High-lower/ mid level guilds can actually attack large guilds and break them up because big guilds don't necessarily have the will to chew through charms to defend all their lands.

That being said, this system is definitely going to make a lot of people unhappy, especially the major cash shoppers, but it may not be such a bum deal after all, it will depress people until certain guild attitudes chance to that of just wanting to own land for the sake of owning land.

Most of the higher levels fund this game keeping it alive
if they quit they will have to work harder to take money from new players thus stressing packs more and making more money sinks or the game will just die

Those factions who dont rpk that tw every week against the enemy for fun are no longer going to even want enemies... i think a lot of factions are going to go rpk and terrorize servers because of this update just because the fun is being sucked out of being a higher level player

when land was worth owning people didnt rpk so they wouldnt make enemies to defend more than 1 land at once because that is a lot harder

now that land is worthless why not kill everyone... who cares

EthikaII - Heavens Tear

grimangel91 wrote: »

not This Way - Ary

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Schampooo - Raging Tide wrote: »

come on, be honest, if they dont make money at least the necesary to buy what they need, ppl wouldnt make tw at all b:chuckle

starting with leaders, they took money for their own pocket sometimes o.o

No, we don't.

I don't think you comprehend how much charm gets lost in TW.

I spend 6-8mil, and make 3.5mil a week, I now spend 6-8mil and get.... nothing.

So you're complaining, why?

I can afford a 2mil loss every weekend, I can't afford a 6-8mil loss every weekend.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

You don't get it do you, honestly it's people like you, the idiotic people that were convinced everyone in a TW faction was making millions of coins a week.

Here's a hint: we LOSE money by doing TW, only know we lose 4 to 5 times as much, and the more you win, there's no reward.

Ok so if its not b/c the pay is so great, then why on earth are you people upset about it? Seriously? You people act as though you HAVE to be charmed and you have to have the best stuff. I can not comment what its like for people on a Pk server b/c I've never been there, but they chose that server. But if its not for the money... if you don't continue to TW because of the money then WHY ARE YOU PPL UPSET THEY REMOVE IT AS A REWARD???

truekossy wrote: »

And this, everyone, is an example of someone who has no idea what the hell they're talking about. Coincidentally, it's mostly people like this who support all of the changes to TW that just occurred.

Please read above! Enlighten us...

Patapunga - Heavens Tear

two words will describe this action; NON SENSE!
and i also think that our opinion won't change their mind

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

takumeme - Dreamweaver wrote: »

so You're Complaining, Why?

Exactly My Point!! (but We Are Idiots Remember)

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear

TW affects TW players IMO gm's should pay more consideration for that section of the population as they pretty much finance the whole show.

Lejont - Raging Tide

i wanna see a gm reply to this again and actually say something usefull and not sum bull

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Ok so if its not b/c the pay is so great, then why on earth are you people upset about it? Seriously? You people act as though you HAVE to be charmed and you have to have the best stuff. I can not comment what its like for people on a Pk server b/c I've never been there, but they chose that server. But if its not for the money... if you don't continue to TW because of the money then WHY ARE YOU PPL UPSET THEY REMOVE IT AS A REWARD???

Because the money used to cover most of our costs.


Now those charms, those hundreds of event pots? All of that is now coming out of the pocket of anyone that participates in TW.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Sorry I'll be honest and say I haven't read all the way through this thread.

Has there been any mention of how this change improves the game?

Alphae - Lost City

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok so if its not b/c the pay is so great, then why on earth are you people upset about it? Seriously? You people act as though you HAVE to be charmed and you have to have the best stuff. I can not comment what its like for people on a Pk server b/c I've never been there, but they chose that server. But if its not for the money... if you don't continue to TW because of the money then WHY ARE YOU PPL UPSET THEY REMOVE IT AS A REWARD???




Please read above! Enlighten us...

In order to properly defend your land you need gears. Gear costs money. Now TW costs far more money then it ever did. You have the choice of showing up for TW and getting rolled, or spending 3x as much and hopefully winning.

A lot of people love TW but could just barely afford it before this **** update. Now they can't afford it, period.

grimangel91

guys and girls it makes no sense even posting, this should just be a flame thread as we ALL know they wont do ANYTHING about this they never will, they are like politicians of the mmo world, GMs sad to say but u all really over did it this time and went WAY to far, knowing that u all want even care the only option left is to uninstall this travesty u call a game

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Lejont - Raging Tide wrote: »

i wanna see a gm reply to this again and actually say something usefull and not sum bull

good luck with that... China has their hands tied. Nothing for them to say really..

Lejont - Raging Tide

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok so if its not b/c the pay is so great, then why on earth are you people upset about it? Seriously? You people act as though you HAVE to be charmed and you have to have the best stuff. I can not comment what its like for people on a Pk server b/c I've never been there, but they chose that server. But if its not for the money... if you don't continue to TW because of the money then WHY ARE YOU PPL UPSET THEY REMOVE IT AS A REWARD???




Please read above! Enlighten us...

+1 i choose pvp server to pvp idk why there are guilds that r non-rpk on a pvp server its kinda stupid

Takumeme - Dreamweaver

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

I can afford a 2mil loss every weekend, I can't afford a 6-8mil loss every weekend.

How about, don't do TW and find something more fun, or leave like everybody else then? ._.

I mean honestly, if you're so bored that all you look forward to is TW for JUST the weekend, then just find a better game.

Starr - Harshlands

frankieraye wrote: »

Considering that multiple TW related threads went up within minutes of the Content Update post being published, I'd say there's a lot to discuss.

i think you misunderstood the post. players vent/discuss for pages and pages and pages. nothing is ever done about what we "discuss". the message that swends to players is: PWI wants to pretend that we care about your thoughts. but in reality we just want to pacify you into spending more money without putting out effort to actually satisfy any of your concerns.
maybe that isnt what you are actually doing, but that is the message PWI portrays.

on the actual subject. paying in mirages is complete BS. i personally will not tw for mirage pay. not worth 3 hr battle for say 50 mirage. unless of course you are making it possible to trade mirage for charms. then i completely take it all back.

Schampooo - Raging Tide

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

No, we don't.

I don't think you comprehend how much charm gets lost in TW.

I spend 6-8mil, and make 3.5mil a week, I now spend 6-8mil and get.... nothing.



I can afford a 2mil loss every weekend, I can't afford a 6-8mil loss every weekend.

it's what i said, u mad? quit as barb and play a cheaper class, or be a spy on qqme to tell the super mega secrets to levi /sarcasm

b:kiss

Dawnx_ - Harshlands

I've been i four TW on Harshlands 3 i payed for and 1 i didn't pay for the ones i payed for was 2 faction's that were decent and 1 was a faction that i lead and i payed for tower's for all three and TW is fun but the mirage's for payment suck because who do u think pays the 400k for Gold?

RA_Dragon - Lost City

LOL great Job Developers. now u get no more of my money :P as to farming well i farm to get good gears to do what? no tw and world pk is practically non existent. so why bother with that anymore.