[Discussion of Territory War Changes 8-5-10]

Yamiino - Heavens Tear

Babydemon - Raging Tide wrote: »

idk about uall, but i feel like pwi been trapping us into MUST DO CSing corner.... you just noticed it? lol

1st, offered GV, ( for Miji)

2nd Anni packs for Gears that would take months before to farm, but now, its all about CS Power

3rd, FC with Hypers....... Best creation ever lmao, was taking way too long to level... most lv. 80+ will agree with me.

4th , took down the Price of DQs.... Didn't like this yep...

5th , More Packs in different forms.... but .. nvm u all know what i am gonna say

6th now...... TW pay in Mirage..? ROFL.... but actually i am glad it aint paid in DQ items... I lol'd

may 7th gonna be More packs in different forms....? Probably, yes.

Yellow = comments

Starr - Harshlands

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Gods...stop the QQ. You guys really want zen to be 1mil+ in in-game gold like it is in the CN, MY, and many other PW versions? Hell no. This limits the amount of in-game gold being generated.

For those of you ******** about your charms...oh ****ing well. I did TW for over a year on the MY-EN server. I paid for all of my charms excluding the three gold HP charms I won in contests. I was also responsible for building many of the towers in there. And I have only ever received TW salary ONCE. It was something like 700k. That amount didn't even cover a freaking bronze HP charm then.

TW should be done for fun and it is SUPPOSED to be costly. It is effectively a big gold sink. Having a faction be able to make upwards of 100mil+ a week is NOT a good thing and it kills the prospective gold sink.

BTW, most of you don't even see the TW money anyway since it's all mailed to the leader of the faction. And I cannot tell you how many times I've heard of stories about those leaders using the money for their own stuff. This prevents that from ever happening again.

then maybe you should go back to those other versions. this is PWI. this optoin is not creating this fanstatic gold sink that you are dreaming about. when packs came out massive amount of people quit game. when the dq prices went down, the amount of new people playing decreased drastically and a lot of established players quit. but this tw pay with mirage takes the cake. i would love to see a poll on how many people would really keep tw ing for mirage. probably like the 99% that didnt want the dq prices changed.

but w/e cause PWI doesnt pay attention to what the players say anyway.

TriggerHappi - Lost City_1298963575

The_owner - Lost City wrote: »

I don't mind. Mirage payout? fair enough. At least now other factions are able to get in on the fun, and not just the rich and strong ones. Since not alot of people will be willing to go to war now with mirage payout, some factions now have a chance to actually compete!

As for charms... They ruin the PvP system entirely. Your opponent (or yourself) gets an Extra Hp Bar (or several if you let enough time pass between ticks)


Look at the bright side! b:victory

prolly u didnt knw land owners got a priviledge for refining items w/ increased chances

so tell me how the small faction can compete w/ the major land owners


To All ppl that is QQ'ing

this game is just business

so they will always try to create ways how to mke money

if u dont like wat they can serve u

there are alot of things out there

u can either go out and hve fun in real world

or u can try out diff games

so if u rly dont like the update i dare u all to stop logging in

but i doubt u guys can do it since u r too addicted on the game

_Nuriko_ - Lost City

For someone whose no longer in a "big" guild who owns land, im kinda glad gold is 400k for when i buy a 10-20 dollar card i know hey at least im getting 5mill+ from it and not hey look i wasted 20 irl to make 2mill or less >_> so lets keep gold prices 400k

Sycorx - Harshlands

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

Totally agree :P

XLakshmix - Sanctuary

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

b:chuckle Let me clear this up...Packs are inflating things...not TW paychecks.

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear

o.o.....Kantorek....responded.....


Thats a damn first....and even with a good response o.O.....

Zuuka - Sanctuary

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

I think it was Chest of coins and then Anniversary packs which inflated it but you know thats just me.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

That's a hilarious bad attempt at explaining this change. I know you guys are getting screwed by the accounting department and it puts you in a bad place. But please stop trying to justify it?

Sherae - Lost City

Zuuka - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think it was Chest of coins and then Anniversary packs which inflated it but you know thats just me.

ya exactly... before packs it wasnt anything like this
if inflation is boring you then take packs out...oh wait...

RedsRose - Lost City

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

I am not sure this is a "fix" for the economy in-game...even though I do not have an overall issue with this change.

Many do seeing as so many have been rushing their characters improvements for the purpose of TW.

IMO though TW should be fun and not about the "pay," others do not think this way and as such are angry. Do I blame them, no, but at the same time...This is how everyone reacted to the Packs coming back and look now...people are used to it.

It will be interesting to say the least...

Pippins - Lost City

I am so excited about these new changes! b:victory

Flare - Heavens Tear

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

I disagree, tw pay was a constant that depended on how many pieces of land that was on the map. The Tokens of Best Lucks however are are unlimited, because the charge of gold is unlimited for packs. 5m a piece when made into a 10 million big note is more inflation than the unchanging number of lands on the map, except with expansions like the tideborns.

Takumeme - Dreamweaver

Kantorek wrote: »

Stuff

Thank you for making the effort to respond.


Also, packs aren't the ONLY source of inflation

The_owner - Lost City

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

Wow... I never saw this. Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah you guys... Seriosuly, noone wants to attack the big guilds, because of fear of "Kill on Sight" (oooh spooky) and rivalry/drama between factions. Back at Lost City server, (I have no clue why) but the largest guild in the server just started some sort of riot. Pk everywhere. I couldn't very much participate at all because of my low Refinement on my Armor and weapon against their high refinements on their armor and weapons. b:surrender

grimangel91

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

thats so thoughtful those ppl who spent time and money to get to the top are being undercut by ur bullsh!t....fail
TW activities.....dead....another fail
wanna know WHY the coins are so high? packs..so ur reason is....fail
will pwi shape up...this will b an EPIC...FAIL
Kant u remind me of a horrible politician i know

Warmheart - Archosaur

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the hate you players have for PWI.

LOL frankie I always knew u were a fail at economics.

drjiggle

Takumeme - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Then how about everybody who's complaining take it up with the people running the Chinese servers. There you go. Doing so here will do pretty much, guess what? Nothing.

Give me their address and a Chinese translator to help me write the letter, and I will. Until then, the GM's are my interface to the corporate HQ in China. That's their job. It's why they're here. Don't criticize people for using that resource as it's intended.

mysticalx

frankieraye wrote: »

Perfect Horns.

b:laugh

LOL Frankie thats 1 out of the 1000000 things wrong. Besides like TW change that was a stupid change to even put into the game so either way that was fail and the dev's knew it.

Okies lets talk tw.

I TW and I'm in a major TW faction I don't get a pay check none of us to we go for fun but why would we want to bid and lose our money for nothing? When that money could go to a better use. We already have to buy charms for ourselves so we make nothing from it really. Tell those Dev's to get smart before this game totally goes bye bye because after this update if TW don't get put back to what it was I'm done with this game. I find it funny how all you people that are like OMG AWESOME CHANGE!! WTG!! well news flash this update will effect you because of the people quitting the game prices may go up because things are to hard to get. We are not China and we don't need to be punished for their mistakes and if we need all this pointless BS change cause of their mistake make your game P2P already so we can really be like China and have a housing system its so funny how you say we need these changes yet you claim we will never be them? Answer that one for me........b:bye all i can say is change it or RIP PWI I will never play any of your games seems you fail at coming up with good ideas.

truekossy

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

truekossy wrote: »

Chest of Coins/Perfect Iron Hammers sets the floor at 200k + Whatever they'll call the next set of packs sets the bar for how high it will get since there will still be best luck tokens injecting 10 mil for every 2 people lucky enough to get them and thus can dump far more coin into the game in a week than TW funds would depending on how much people cash shop.


Your rebuttal?

As already said in a different thread.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

The people complaining in this thread from the big land owning faction factions are simultaneously claiming that the pay is both not significant and that is an indispensable part of TW.

Does anyone else find this contradiction funny?

My advice to those who are only willing to do it for the pay is to not defend your land from those who want to TW for the fun. Consider that there is no pay for doing PK or DT but people still do it.

Tojop - Dreamweaver

I thought the point of the TW pay change was obvious: a coin sink that actually sinks coins. Whether or not it works/is good/makes people happy is another story. This is what you should be discussing, however. Look at the ways coins are introduced into the economy, and look at how they are taken out.

As an aside....what does an average person need for TW? A catapault barb will burn a couple of charms, use a few 100k in apothecaries...and some genie food. Most other people's costs are well below that. Do you guys really have that much difficulty coming up with 2m a week to cover your TW costs?

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

Just let me ask this:

How stupid are you guys?




Like, do you REALLY think this will effect ANYTHING? I've heard GMs say that the gold price would go down from it's almost 200k ea high because the jones event would fix that.


GOLD NEVER GOES DOWN, GOLD GOES DOWN WHEN PACKS LEAVE AND THEN IT GOES RIGHT BACK UP, AS LONG AS BEST LUCK TOKENS ARE IN THE CASH SHOP THIS CHANGES NOTHING



Stop acting like the PWI community is completely idiotic, sure there are some but some of us know BS when we smell it, and this is some BS.



I have been hearing for OVER A YEAR that gold was going to be going down soon, and we have gotten nothing. And even then, it still sucks because a gold charm is STILL insanely expensive, and you need SEVERAL of them to compete in TW, and what do we get for all the money spent? A big fat handful of nothing.




Either you are a complete idiot, or you think we are all idiots, I'm thinking a little of both.

RedsRose - Lost City

The_owner - Lost City wrote: »

Wow... I never saw this. Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah you guys... Seriosuly, noone wants to attack the big guilds, because of fear of "Kill on Sight" (oooh spooky) and rivalry/drama between factions. Back at Lost City server, (I have no clue why) but the largest guild in the server just started some sort of riot. Pk everywhere. I couldn't very much participate at all because of my low Refinement on my Armor and weapon against their high refinements on their armor and weapons. b:surrender

For the record...not everyone in that guild agree with the actions that took place nor the words being spoken.

Indiri - Archosaur

Kantorek wrote: »

Greetings,

Thank you for all your feedback. We understand that this is a drastic change to the Territory War system. However we believe that in time, things will shape up in PWI for the better. Something I'd like to mention since nobody has yet brought it up: There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

That's not to say that we don't have any power to change this system, or that this system is not going to be tweaked with. Over the next couple of weeks we will be monitoring TW activities, as well as the economy to see what kind of affect this change has in these two areas.

Thanks again for your passionate responses. It truly shows the love you players have for PWI.

And this response, right here, is where they show that they aren't actually going to do anything about this or the fact that the majority of us HATE THE UPDATE. It's basically the vague answer I said we could expect just like when they lowered the DQ prices and said "gee, we'll look into maybe making it up to you. MAYBE".

Bladed_Tony - Raging Tide

Zuuka - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think it was Chest of coins and then Anniversary packs which inflated it but you know thats just me.

yup anni packs started the rise in gold -_-
and made those ubber strong guilds have even stronger gears because of the TW payout.. which results in higher gold prices which results in 2 strong guilds each server which then results in the QQing about anni packs, gold prices, OPness

Susamajii - Lost City

These is no reason for this - Ary

There's also no reason for you guys destroying the game but you went ahead and did that anyway Thanks for editing my post and deleting the truth.

Pattoe - Raging Tide

To be honest, It's not about the TW pay being lowered. The worst thing is the new bidding system, secret and non-refundable.

1. It being secret takes away from the fun of bidding wars, I love seeing several factions bidding on eachother its exciting.

2. It being non refundable means smaller factions, where bidding money is really hard to raise, will most likely decide not to even try TWing, making TW even more boring with only the biggest richest factions taking part.

Seriously, just undo the change.

Takumeme - Dreamweaver

drjiggle wrote: »

Give me their address and a Chinese translator to help me write the letter, and I will. Until then, the GM's are my interface to the corporate HQ in China. That's their job. It's why they're here. Don't criticize people for using that resource as it's intended.

I'll get right on that.
Well obviously it hasn't worked before, now has it? Why do you expect this time to be any different? Because everybody's lost faith in the company last time I checked.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Kantorek wrote: »

There is one constant complaint that the economy is becoming inflated with coins. So much in fact that you can't purchase 1 Gold without paying 400-500K worth of coins. A big reason for this is that large powerful guilds have been sitting on their property and collecting a fat paycheck every week without doing anything. Since they are the ones that can afford the high priced Gold, the Gold being sold at 400K is still being bought, and prices remained.

With this source of income gone, we hope to see the economy in PWI come back "down to earth" if you will.

Wow, are you not very bright?

Perfect Tokens of Best luck introduce FAR more coin into the economy than TW pay ever would. TW pay goes to pay for many people's charms and pk pot expenses.

You're just shifting the earning of coin from people who actually play the game to those who are willing to buy it.

And you think putting +12 star orbs in packs is going to help lower the price? You do realize that a 12 star orb is the single most expensive item in-game? Yes, merchanters, players, people who have massive amounts of fund already saved up are going to jack the gold prices. No matter what you've actually been saying, the hypocrisy is amazing.

At least be honest about this much, because your post is full of BS.

b:bye