Pack sellers are stupid

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Malei - Sanctuary wrote: »

You're quick to jump on someone you feel is a tad bit slower than you, aren't you Airyll? O-o Ease up, chika. I was in mid-post before you quickies posted your responses on page 2 and mine ended up on 3.

I see your point about not desiring the potential profit. It makes a bit more sense now, but also take into the fact that our servers are drastically different. I have yet to see gold at 320k on Sanctuary so far, if the lowest it would hit 350 and teeter there and higher and higher. But, the process is still the same by your logic. I just never saw packs as a real money maker on the market since it seemed very risky, and its a want more than a need.

Well, **** that. I need those tokens. Eh, your points have been made and accepted.

Calm down on that firey tongue too, Airyll. You may not be trolling or whatnot, but its that prose of yours that makes me feel like you want to slam my head into the keyboard. Not trying to argue here, but no matter what good of a point you make, you can't get it across if your writing is screaming out "I'm so much smarter than you so shut the heck up and accept it!"

If you were somehow offended by my bluntness, I apologise, but... I'm not about to change what I'm saying - nor how I say it - because it offends you. It's your choice to interpret it that way.

As Hamsta has said, the more risk involved, the more profit you tend to be able to make. This is why gold trading - the least risky of all forms of merchanting - doesn't really generate absolutely huge, massive amounts of profit in a short space of time. Quite unlike packs, where you can easily generate up to 25-40 million coins worth of profit, especially if you bought and stockpiled hundreds of gold before sales.

The people who carry on selling their packs for 420k won't sell their packs before those who sell at 380k. They generate less profit in the same amount of time, on the assumption they generate any at all. The only good thing about this is that when packs leave the boutique, their prices will rise slightly, and people will continue to buy packs at a steady rate. Not every market in the game has the ability to both sell well during and after the sale to generate large, large profits. Some will only generate profit during or after the sale.

-edit-

I'm not even going to bother quoting the OP's response to me.

I'll just say this: you know when you talk about selling packs at 455k to make more profit? That's talking about potential profit, you moron. Please kindly GeeTeeEffOh from this thread because now you're directly contradicting yourself.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

I don't know whether you don't know how to read, don't understand or just choose to ignore points.

1) I never talked about potential profits. I wasn't saying go sell tiger packs at 600k because once no one else is selling them, you would make huge profits. I understand the concept of having fast turnovers. Make 1m a day by selling at 350k is better than waiting a month to make 15m selling at 600k. That is pretty obvious.

There would be no decrease in amount of packs sold if they were to sell at 455k instead of 445k because the difference in price is only 10k. From a buyer's perspective, this is an inconsequential amount of money.*facepaw* me am a buyer more then me am a seller and me do focus a lot on that small amount as that amount adds up quickly >.> Ever try buying ulti orb mats? That little 1-5k difference could mean half a mil Also me would assume anyone serious about packs would buy in bulk rather then just a few.......which means that small bit makes a difference as well From a seller's perspective who's selling 200 or 300 packs, this could mean an extra million or 2 million a day which is a lot.

2) Where did I ever say they should sell packs more than gold lol. I specifically said they get best profits selling packs at slightly below gold value. You really need to stop making stuff up.

3) Finally, yes I did consider they stockpile gold and no they did not. I watched their movements. If they stockpiled gold, their best option would have been to use all the gold to buy packs as soon as they came out and put them all in shop. Get them sold and buy more gold as soon as possible. More sales, faster turnovers, better profits. They did not do that. They put up a batch. Got it sold and went and bought more gold.Well, more idiots who burn their gold quickly be better for the rest of the people. ^_^

So......why exactly are you QQing?
The people you appear to have an issue with will just run out of monies and drop out of the market.

Malei - Sanctuary

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

odd.
o.O'
Logical bridges failing.
x.x'
Argument between humans be interesting but confoosing to me. (>.<)'

Eh, I hate quote nesting too much.

By risky, I meant like, if I wanted to invest in something to sell, I would sell high demand that are in need. Things to sell that you know you will need, rather than things that you want.

Personally, the Dragon Orbs is more of a smart investment that I'm sure would always guarantee sales, perhaps lesser margins as they are on sale, and growing once removed from sale. Packs are a big gamble, for both buyer and seller. But, of course it works! We wouldn't have the lottery in the real world and the casinos if Luck didn't sell, after all.

Didn't think people took PW economics so seriously either O-o But, haha, it is a good way to grow understanding of real life marketing and economics if you want a hardcore example.

Only found the prose firey because it felt like a huge backslash was waiting for me if I disagreed about Packs being a good market or whatnot o-O Not hating on Pack Sellers at all, if its working do your thing. I just never understood how money was made for it. I understand now. Its a big gamble, but yes, if done luckily, can reap big rewards.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

I was just observing their merchanting and commenting on how they could all be making more money if they didn't try to compete with each other. I'm not even the one competing with them so why would I be QQing?

Umm... wow. If they weren't competing with each other, then only one person would actually be selling and the rest would be sitting on inventory.

Also, your perspective is highly suspect. If you're not selling them, why the hell do you even care (other than the fact you have no idea how competitive commerce even works)?

You should be happy that there are several people willing to offer you LOWER prices, not calling them stupid for not fixing market prices and charging people more. Most people would call that price gouging and consider that ripping people off.

Of course you don't see it that way. Why? It sounds like you're upset that your potential competition doesn't give you the room you would like to see to make more profit.

b:bye

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

OP is right but smarter merchants dont underprice each other if they dont have to.
even let sometimes some nub sell stuff cheaper if he dont have big stock and let him gtfo after

price wars are always unecessary and just stupid. we all buy gold for similar price and can do similar profit. nobody get packs from black market or steal gold..

ijs.. common sense is always nice


controling prices with few ppl that u even dont know isnt hard. i remember that from green mats market long time ago on DW


but when dumbasses get their hands into market then it get screwed pretty fast. i cry when i see belial mats for 400-500k now

Me had an interesting experience like the one you described, a certain seller named Icebender (well, when his prices were the lowest.) d(^.-d) sold packs & tokens while me made and sold MP pots from buying tokens from him.
xD
Of course me could get me paws into the pack market but during that time me was lacking the wherewithal and yes me had competition (2 serious competitors and a few non serious ones, yet me ended up controlling the entire MP pot market, teamed up with the lesser of the 2 and shut down the 3rd guy, then made a time schedule with the one me teamed up with in order to maintain profits, collaborated on price changes to combat new comers, etc .)
Had a nice system going too but me decided to leave the markets. (Just wasn't appealing to me as it wasn't playing the game itself, had limited person to hamster interaction, and didn't has the required environment to enact me ebil plan.)

Malei - Sanctuary wrote: »

Eh, I hate quote nesting too much.

By risky, I meant like, if I wanted to invest in something to sell, I would sell high demand that are in need. Things to sell that you know you will need, rather than things that you want.

Personally, the Dragon Orbs is more of a smart investment that I'm sure would always guarantee sales, perhaps lesser margins as they are on sale, and growing once removed from sale. Packs are a big gamble, for both buyer and seller. But, of course it works! We wouldn't have the lottery in the real world and the casinos if Luck didn't sell, after all.

Didn't think people took PW economics so seriously O.o' you didn't? there always be humans who will take certain things seriously. either O-o But, haha, it is a good way to grow understanding of real life marketing and economics if you want a hardcore example.

Only found the prose firey because it felt like a huge backslash was waiting for me if I disagreed about Packs being a good market or whatnot o-O Not hating on Pack Sellers at all, if its working do your thing. I just never understood how money was made for it. I understand now. Its a big gamble, but yes, if done luckily, um....me has no luck at all. x.x' Me walk the path of the noob power, me are unable to acquire skills or luck. can reap big rewards.

(>.<)'
Booga booga booga.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Also, your perspective is highly suspect. If you're not selling them, why the hell do you even care (other than the fact you have no idea how competitive commerce even works)?

and even Michael_dark senses there be something off about the OP.

Khanderin - Lost City

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'll just say this: you know when you talk about selling packs at 455k to make more profit? That's talking about potential profit, you moron. Please kindly GeeTeeEffOh from this thread because now you're directly contradicting yourself.

Stop pretending you know what you're talking about. Read and understand the situation. 455k is not potential profit if everyone is selling it at 455k which was the original situation I described in the 1st post.

Let me break it down for you because you clearly pretend to be a better merchant than you actually are.

Here is what could be happening so all pack sellers make more profit:

-Seller 1 sells at 455k.
-Seller 2 comes along and also prices it at 455k.
-All packs get bought at 455k.
-Profit.

Here is what is actually happening:

-Seller 1 sells at 455k
-Seller 2 comes along and decides to sell at 450k.
-Seller 1 sees this prices at 445k.
-Seller 2 cannot go below 445k without making a loss so also sells at 445k.
-All packs get bought at 445k.
-Less profit.

@Hamsta, if you're in the market to buy some tiger packs and there was 1 shop selling at 455k and 1 at 445k, then yes it's logical to buy the one at 445k even though it's only 10k. If, however, both shops are at 455k, then do you just not buy or do you pay 455k? Most people would pay 455k because they want the tiger packs.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Had a nice system going too but me decided to leave the markets. (Just wasn't appealing to me as it wasn't playing the game itself, had limited person to hamster interaction, and didn't has the required environment to enact me ebil plan.)

Maybe this is more fitting for you: http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/qf/c/PopularMechanics/6-1950/lrg_raising_hamsters.jpg

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

Oh dear lord help this person.

Let me break it down for you:

Nobody is selling at 455k and nobody is going to.

You are therefore talking about potential profit.

Of course I don't know what I'm talking about, though. By the time the last sale of Sunshine Envelopes had finished, I had gotten myself 200 million. I totally don't know what I'm talking about. No way.

-facepalm-

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

Stop pretending you know what you're talking about. Read and understand the situation. 455k is not potential profit if everyone is selling it at 455k which was the original situation I described in the 1st post.

Let me break it down for you because you clearly pretend to be a better merchant than you actually are.

Here is what could be happening so all pack sellers make more profit:

-Seller 1 sells at 455k.
-Seller 2 comes along and also prices it at 455k.
-All packs get bought at 455k.
-Profit. Loss for the buyers.

Here is what is actually happening:

-Seller 1 sells at 455k
-Seller 2 comes along and decides to sell at 450k.
-Seller 1 sees this prices at 445k.
-Seller 2 cannot go below 445k without making a loss so also sells at 445k.
-All packs get bought at 445k.
-Less profit. But still profit & guaranteed sell for the person who decided to sell it for less instead of having buyers just randomly choose between the two.

@Hamsta, if you're in the market to buy some tiger packs and there was 1 shop selling at 455k and 1 at 445k, then yes it's logical to buy the one at 445k even though it's only 10k. If, however, both shops are at 455k, then do you just not buy or do you pay 455k? Most people would pay 455k because they want the tiger packs.Me personally would check the average price and probably wouldn't buy it. Me would find it rather strange if the prices at the cat shops were all consistent. (that be a possible sign that a single entity be controlling the market which would set off me danger sense.

b:bye
Yea......

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Maybe this is more fitting for you: http://blog.modernmechanix.com/mags/qf/c/PopularMechanics/6-1950/lrg_raising_hamsters.jpg

Big laboratory demand?

me don't like the sound of that.
x.x'

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

Stop pretending you know what you're talking about. Read and understand the situation. 455k is not potential profit if everyone is selling it at 455k which was the original situation I described in the 1st post.

In the real world that practice is called price fixing and is illegal. In game it will never happen because someone will always come by and sell for less.

b:bye

Khanderin - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Umm... wow. If they weren't competing with each other, then only one person would actually be selling and the rest would be sitting on inventory.

Also, your perspective is highly suspect. If you're not selling them, why the hell do you even care (other than the fact you have no idea how competitive commerce even works)?

You should be happy that there are several people willing to offer you LOWER prices, not calling them stupid for not fixing market prices and charging people more. Most people would call that price gouging and consider that ripping people off.

Of course you don't see it that way. Why? It sounds like you're upset that your potential competition doesn't give you the room you would like to see to make more profit.

b:bye

I happen to check the market to see what's worth merchanting? I don't know how you do your merchanting but I research. This was originally just a comment on what I found weird how these merchants were needlessly losing out on profit but of course with people like airyll and hamsta around telling people they don't know anything, this turned into a full out discussion/argument.

My point was that there is no competition in the end. Everyone ends up selling them at the same price anyway (445k) when they could easily be selling them at the same but higher price (455k).

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

My point was that there is no competition in the end. Everyone ends up selling them at the same price anyway (445k) when they could easily be selling them at the same but higher price (455k).

No, if they try to fix a price like that, it will just introduce more sellers who are willing to sell for less.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

In the real world that practice is called price fixing and is illegal. In game it will never happen because someone will always come by and sell for less.

b:bye

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

I happen to check the market to see what's worth merchanting? I don't know how you do your merchanting but I research. This was originally just a comment on what I found weird how these merchants were needlessly losing out on profit but of course with people like airyll and hamsta around telling people they don't know anything, this turned into a full out discussion/argument.....where did me say that? Stop making stuff up. T.T' you make me sad hamster. Dx

My point was that there is no competition in the end. Everyone ends up selling them at the same price anyway (445k) when they could easily be selling them at the same but higher price (455k). There be no game in the end either but you still call this a game....o.o' What be your point?

b:surrender
Khanderin makes me sad hamster.
T.T'

Khanderin - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

In the real world that practice is called price fixing and is illegal. In game it will never happen because someone will always come by and sell for less.

b:bye

How is that price fixing? If I see someone selling at a price, I can't just choose to sell it at the same price? I'm obligated to undercut them? It's not like I planned it all beforehand.

And I get that someone will always come along and sell for less. I'm just saying that's ignorance from a merchant's perspective because everyone would make more profit if that person sold for the same price as what was already on the market.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

How is that price fixing? If I see someone selling at a price, I can't just choose to sell it at the same price? I'm obligated to undercut them? It's not like I planned it all beforehand.

And I get that someone will always come along and sell for less. I'm just saying that's ignorance from a merchant's perspective because everyone would make more profit if that person sold for the same price as what was already on the market.

And as I said later. You choose to sell at a higher price to match the only other person selling any given item and a flood of people who can do simple arithmetic will come in and fill the void, then everyone loses because there is even more competition than before. Obviously you haven't merchanted much at all.

Lower prices = higher volume = more profit.

Khanderin - Lost City

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Let me break it down for you:

Nobody is selling at 455k and nobody is going to.

You are therefore talking about potential profit.

Of course I don't know what I'm talking about, though. By the time the last sale of Sunshine Envelopes had finished, I had gotten myself 200 million. I totally don't know what I'm talking about. No way.

-facepalm-

No one is selling at 455k? Now I'm convinced you can't read. I just told you in post #1 that the original seller was already selling all his packs at 455k until people came along and started undercutting him. You should stop posting and embarrassing yourself.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

No one is selling at 455k? Now I'm convinced you can't read. I just told you in post #1 that the original seller was already selling all his packs at 455k until people came along and started undercutting him. You should stop posting and embarrassing yourself.

?
Me don't see how Airyll's post be embarrassing or incorrect.
o.o'
There be some major flaws in your neural networking.
x.x'

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Big laboratory demand?

me don't like the sound of that.
x.x'

Should've read more carefully. b:surrender

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

No one is selling at 455k? Now I'm convinced you can't read. I just told you in post #1 that the original seller was already selling all his packs at 455k until people came along and started undercutting him. You should stop posting and embarrassing yourself.

/facepalm

And if all those same people offered their packs at the same price as seller #1? A half dozen more people will come and undercut them, and those 455k packs would still never sell.

b:bye

Khanderin - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

And as I said later. You choose to sell at a higher price to match the only other person selling any given item and a flood of people who can do simple arithmetic will come in and fill the void, then everyone loses because there is even more competition than before.

That actually makes some sort of sense and it's the first reasonable thing anyone has said in this thread. Then again, the amount of people that would be able to enter the market is limited. There's only so much gold being sold. Not everyone will be able to get access to the gold at the right price.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

That actually makes some sort of sense and it's the first reasonable thing anyone has said in this thread.

You still didn't get it. Everyone wants to sell lowest so that only their packs are bought. That's as simple as it can get.

Khanderin - Lost City

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

You still didn't get it. Everyone wants to sell lowest so that only their packs are bought. That's as simple as it can get.

No you don't get it. They "want" to do that but in the end they can't because everyone else lowers their price along with them and they are still selling at the same price as everyone else. That was my point.

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Originally Posted by Khanderin - Lost City
Stop pretending you know what you're talking about. Read and understand the situation. 455k is not potential profit if everyone is selling it at 455k which was the original situation I described in the 1st post.

Lol... I don't get it, what are you suggesting for them to do? All the 20+ pack merchants in arch or even only the ones around banker to get together & go
"Let's all sell at 455k!!
-Yea! Totally!"

<.< You serious?

Setting up the same price & keeping it up for a while might work if it's only a few sellers, like when my honey is selling stuff in OHT & another kitty comes by, she might pm them & ask to agree to same prices or they just gona undercut each other all day long.


Ok fine you saying they all stupid, WHAT IS YOUR SUGGESTION FOR THEM TO DO? that makes you so much smarter than them?
You seem to have figured out something all the others in this thread & in arch haven't. I really wanna know, might improve my sales.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Let's do some really basic, basic, basic math. REALLY BASIC. Then maybe you'll understand.

There are two people selling packs. One person always sells for 455k (the price you blather on about all the time) so that he can try and make the most profit. Let's call this man Person A.

Another has kept up with the competition, and is selling at 380k. Let's say they have 200 packs each. Let's call this man Person B.

In week one:
Person A sells only 10 packs because his prices are so high. He makes 4,550,000 coins.
Person B sells 20 because his prices are so low. He makes 7,600,000 coins.

In week two:
Person A has now sold 40 packs in total. He's now made 18,200,000 coins in two weeks.
Person B has sold 100 of their packs in total. He has now made 38,000,000 in those same two weeks.

This means, in two weeks, Person B has made 19,800,000 coins more then person A because they kept up with the market.

Your fixed market idea is impossible, and I've just shown you exactly why. Do you get the picture yet?

Khanderin - Lost City

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Let's do some really basic, basic, basic math. REALLY BASIC. Then maybe you'll understand.

There are two people selling packs. One person always sells for 455k (the price you blather on about all the time) so that he can try and make the most profit. Let's call this man Person A.

Another has kept up with the competition, and is selling at 380k. Let's say they have 200 packs each. Let's call this man Person B.

In week one:
Person A sells only 10 packs because his prices are so high. He makes 4,550,000 coins.
Person B sells 20 because his prices are so low. He makes 7,600,000 coins.

In week two:
Person A has now sold 40 packs in total. He's now made 18,200,000 coins in two weeks.
Person B has sold 100 of their packs in total. He has now made 38,000,000 in those same two weeks.

This means, in two weeks, Person B has made 19,800,000 coins more then person A because they kept up with the market.

Your fixed market idea is impossible, and I've just shown you exactly why. Do you get the picture yet?

/facepalm

You're an idiot. You still don't read and insist on making up your own scenarios. What I'm saying is, IF person B is actually selling for 380k (for whatever reason the difference is so damn large compared to A), then person A will respond by reducing his price to 380k so he isn't stuck with a bunch of packs that aren't going to sell. I'm not talking about some stupud person A that refuses to change his prices.

Then in week 1, if 30 packs are sold total, 15 will be bought from A and 15 from B etc etc. If person B priced at 445k as well, they in week 1 they would both have made more profit. Understand?

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

/facepalm

You're an idiot. You still don't read and insist on making up your own scenarios. What I'm saying is, IF person B is actually selling for 380k (for whatever reason the difference is so damn large compared to A), then person A will respond by reducing his price to 380k so he isn't stuck with a bunch of packs that aren't going to sell. I'm not talking about some stupud person A that refuses to change his prices.

Then in week 1, if 30 packs are sold total, 15 will be bought from A and 15 from B etc etc. If person B priced at 445k as well, they in week 1 they would both have made more profit. Understand?

No, you sir, are the idiot.

That scene was to show you WHY PEOPLE UNDERCUT and you still don't seem to get the picture. Go back, read the numbers again.

Your fixed price scenario is never going to happen because of the hypothetical scenario I just gave to you. The scenario which proves IT IS MORE PROFITABLE TO SELL CHEAPER THAN YOUR COMPETITORS, WHILE AT A PRICE WHERE YOU STILL MAKE PROFIT. What are you not understanding about this theory? Seriously, what mental issue do you have going on in your head that makes it so hard for you grasp that selling your packs at a lower price is more profitable in nearly every single circumstance you can think of?

Your theory that if two people sell for exactly the same price, they sell at exactly the same rate, is also the biggest bunch of bull**** I have ever seen. Ever. If two people sell at the same price, they risk never selling their packs because everybody may buy from somebody else. They risk sitting on packs for months and this IS NOT PROFITABLE.

Maybe all the emphasis will get through to you. But really, congrats. You've just shown to everybody in this thread that you

a) Don't read
b) Can't comprehend why you're so wrong and why you're fixed market idea is so flawed
c) Are a ****

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Khanderin - Lost City wrote: »

/facepalm

You're an idiot. You still don't read and insist on making up your own scenarios. What I'm saying is, IF person B is actually selling for 380k (for whatever reason the difference is so damn large compared to A), then person A will respond by reducing his price to 380k so he isn't stuck with a bunch of packs that aren't going to sell. I'm not talking about some stupud person A that refuses to change his prices.

Then in week 1, if 30 packs are sold total, 15 will be bought from A and 15 from B etc etc. If person B priced at 445k as well, they in week 1 they would both have made more profit. Understand?

Fine. Person A and Person B are both selling at 455k. Then Person C comes into the picture sells at 450k and Person D comes in at 445k. You talk to them, they agree, they all price their packs at 455k ea. Then Person E, F, G, H, I, J and K come in and price at 450k, 445k, 440k, 435k, 430k, 425k, etc... ad nauseum.

Now instead of two people splitting the market, there are a dozen, and if only one person decides to sell at a lower price, everyone with the higher price will be screwed.

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Then in week 1, if 30 packs are sold total, 15 will be bought from A and 15 from B etc etc. If person B priced at 445k as well, they in week 1 they would both have made more profit. Understand?

But it's not a case of person A & B... it's more like A-Z...

Khanderin - Lost City

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, you sir, are the idiot.

That scene was to show you WHY PEOPLE UNDERCUT and you still don't seem to get the picture. Go back, read the numbers again.

Your fixed price scenario is never going to happen because of the hypothetical scenario I just gave to you. The scenario which proves IT IS MORE PROFITABLE TO SELL CHEAPER THAN YOUR COMPETITORS, WHILE AT A PRICE WHERE YOU STILL MAKE PROFIT. What are you not understanding about this theory? Seriously, what mental issue do you have going on in your head that makes it so hard for you grasp that selling your packs at a lower price is more profitable in nearly every single circumstance you can think of?

Your theory that if two people sell for exactly the same price, they sell at exactly the same rate, is also the biggest bunch of bull**** I have ever seen. Ever. If two people sell at the same price, they risk never selling their packs because everybody may buy from somebody else. They risk sitting on packs for months and this IS NOT PROFITABLE.

Maybe all the emphasis will get through to you. But really, congrats. You've just shown to everybody in this thread that you

a) Don't read
b) Can't comprehend why you're so wrong and why you're fixed market idea is so flawed
c) Are a ****

Your hypothetical scenario proves nothing because you assume person A is stupid and doesn't change his price in response to person B. That's the only reason person B is able to make more profit.

Nothing you have said has been anythng but utter **** or has been pointlessly irrelevant. I understand why it might not work now from what Michael_Dark has said about dozens more people entering the market to fill the void.

Oh and I'm the ****? You just happen to get into arguments with people in a dozen threads because your 1st response is always to imply they are stupid noobs who aren't as good at you instead of just offering a civil discussion if you don't agree with something.

Regenbogen - Lost City

so when reading ops post it sounded like...

QQ...
nobody buys my expensive packs because somebody else sells them cheaper...
this person is stupid...
and i am so greedy...
QQ...

b:bye