Should I charge to go and Res people?
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hallsvaporaction wrote: »The 50K rez scroll only covers rez-in-place and does not prevent experience loss. For that you'll need the Guardian Scroll too. Try 50K+100K=150K for a lvl11 rez.
Oh.
I didn't realize that it didn't cover exp loss. *has never used a resurrection scroll, obviously* xD
Well then, 50k seems very reasonable, if compensation is required.
b:surrender
But again, I've only recently started asking for compensation, and normally (last week and prior mainly) I wouldn't charge for a resurrection, unless of course, it takes a good chunk of time. Since, as we all know, time is money.
b:victoryWe have two ears and one tongue so that we would listen more and talk less. - Diogenes
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You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into. - Unknown0 -
If you want to Rez people then Rez them and dont expect a payment.
If you dont want to Rez them then dont, not really rocket science.
If a Faction/Friend list cleric charged me for a rez thats fine, next time they wanted help from my class skills it would cost them.
The "pay me" mentality works both ways.0 -
GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »If you want to Rez people then Rez them and dont expect a payment.
If you dont want to Rez them then dont, not really rocket science.
If a Faction/Friend list cleric charged me for a rez thats fine, next time they wanted help from my class skills it would cost them.
The "pay me" mentality works both ways.
So does the expecting everything for free mentality.
Like I said several times before. The mentality on free to play games is entirely different than the mentality on most pay to play games.
Free to play players seem to expect everything for free.
Pay to play players don't normally expect things for free.
So, maybe I should start charging for the use of my Hercules to tank for people. After all, he cost me $200.00 real life cash to acquire. I keep res scrolls and GS's on me at all times so I don't need a clerics Res. I already try to compensate barbs that tank bosses I can't for me, either by paying for the wine myself on a run, or giving them coin, or buying them a charm when I can.
I don't expect you to help me for free, why should you expect me to help you for free?
It works both ways you see.
~S0 -
Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »I don't expect you to help me for free, why should you expect me to help you for free?
It works both ways you see.
~S
Yes it does work both ways .. but I dont see the Bm's, Venos, Wizzies making " Should I Charge " threads.
Maybe we should all make a price list
God my BM would make a fortune.
Stunned Mobs : 10k
Aoe: 25k
Tanking bosses: 75k
Saving a Clerics life and XP : 500k
Helping others for free because its a nice thing to do: Priceless
Maybe I see and play the game differantly I dunno... If I can help people I help, sometimes thats at a cost to myself but I still wouldnt expect compensation or payment ( Maybe Im a fool, to nice or both lol )
But I suppose its like RL. Some people will have the " Sure no problem " attitude while others will have the " Whats in it for me ? "0 -
I think the OP was trying to ask what is the generally accepted practice and to that I would say most of the time you wouldn't ask for money to rez unless you were really being put out by the request. (ie. needing to stop what you are doing to travel someplace else to do it)
Most quality people would offer up a tip for your help but there are some who really don't think about other folks in general just like in real life. I think it ultimately comes down to whether you want to help them or not in that particular situation. I don't think you have to, except for in-party rez's, but if you decide to help just know that you may just be building up positive karma and not a positive bank balance. b:laughLaurrixa - 64 Sin0 -
GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes it does work both ways .. but I dont see the Bm's, Venos, Wizzies making " Should I Charge " threads.
Maybe we should all make a price list
God my BM would make a fortune.
Stunned Mobs : 10k
Aoe: 25k
Tanking bosses: 75k
Saving a Clerics life and XP : 500k
Helping others for free because its a nice thing to do: Priceless
Maybe I see and play the game differantly I dunno... If I can help people I help, sometimes thats at a cost to myself but I still wouldnt expect compensation or payment ( Maybe Im a fool, to nice or both lol )
But I suppose its like RL. Some people will have the " Sure no problem " attitude while others will have the " Whats in it for me ? "
I totally agree. b:kiss[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I happened to pay Clerics a couple of times. Not for rez (I have scrolls most of the time) but for heals. For example, when I did the super-annoying boss Lochmur Guardian Beast (TB boss with 1.3m you have to solo), a Cleric was here helping people out because he just felt like it. So, when my turn came (yes, people were taking turns to kill the damn thing xD) and I was done, I gave him 200k for the effort.
Also, having a Cleric on my own, I gotta say getting paid sometimes would feel nice. I can't believe how many people actually whisper you for a rez here and there when you're a Cleric. I wouldn't ask for the money tho, but I would gladly accept any money from any kind player.Risingson - 7x Psychic
Indalecio - 3x Cleric0 -
GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes it does work both ways .. but I dont see the Bm's, Venos, Wizzies making " Should I Charge " threads.
Maybe we should all make a price list
God my BM would make a fortune.
Stunned Mobs : 10k
Aoe: 25k
Tanking bosses: 75k
Saving a Clerics life and XP : 500k
Helping others for free because its a nice thing to do: Priceless
Maybe I see and play the game differantly I dunno... If I can help people I help, sometimes thats at a cost to myself but I still wouldnt expect compensation or payment ( Maybe Im a fool, to nice or both lol )
But I suppose its like RL. Some people will have the " Sure no problem " attitude while others will have the " Whats in it for me ? "
I generally help people w/o asking for any compensation (i'm more the nice type as well). If they give me an attitude though, I'll let them die, laugh at them and port out.
I'm basically saying though, that most games I play and have played, it is expected by the players who give, and who receive buffs/rezzes, that the giver will be compensated by the receiver.
The only time I EVER ran into the "it should be free QQQ" has been in free to play games.
I have come to believe that this is because of the mindset of the players. And the longer I play F2P games, I also realize it is the age of the players. Many/most are children/teens/young adults that don't understand simple things like compensation for hard work because they have had most things they want handed to them by their parents.
That is the GIMMIE generation.
GIMMIE free buffs.
GIMMIE free rezzes.
GIMMIE a job where I don't have to do anything but you will pay me good money.
They don't understand the 'you get what you pay for' concept.
Pay for nothing.
Get nothing.
~Saitada0 -
GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes it does work both ways .. but I dont see the Bm's, Venos, Wizzies making " Should I Charge " threads.
Maybe we should all make a price list
God my BM would make a fortune.
Stunned Mobs : 10k <-- do you need the mobs too?
Aoe: 25k <-- do you need the mobs too?
Tanking bosses: 75k <-- do you need the bosses too?
Saving a Clerics life and XP : 500k <-- is that in the same instance/squad/party?
If your answer is NO to all of the above, then go ahead and charge for your services.
Helping others for free because its a nice thing to do: Priceless
Maybe I see and play the game differantly I dunno... If I can help people I help, sometimes thats at a cost to myself but I still wouldnt expect compensation or payment ( Maybe Im a fool, to nice or both lol )
But I suppose its like RL. Some people will have the " Sure no problem " attitude while others will have the " Whats in it for me ? "
I don't ever charge for revives, and have refused every payment thus far. But should I chose to charge for it, it's in my right. I would be perfectly willing to pay for a crafting service, tank for a quest boss, or even stunning/toothing a mob. >.> Of course, just like an outside cleric who ran into the TT to rez your whole squad then drop out, you are expected to run in, tooth the boss (should my group ever find such service necessary), then drop squad as well. I know your "'pay me' mentality" statement is meant as a caution/threat, but you'll find far fewer calls for your class services in the same way as "OMG, drop what you are doing and rez me at xxx xxx NAO!!! And when you get here, kill the group of melee mobs standing over my dead body first...."
You don't see BMs, Venos, and Wizzies making those threads because they don't get the same requests a cleric gets. You don't charge, I don't charge, that doesn't mean we have any right to demand everyone not to charge.0 -
Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »I
That is the GIMMIE generation.
GIMMIE free buffs.
GIMMIE free rezzes.
GIMMIE a job where I don't have to do anything but you will pay me good money.
They don't understand the 'you get what you pay for' concept.
~Saitada
I totally agree we seem to live in the Handout Generation, compared to how things were when I was growing up.
But sadly that handout/gimmie is only good if it works in their favour.
" Hey gimmie free stuff, but I will charge you for mine "
Its more the Selfish Generation I guess
@halls
Nowadays all my FB's/TT's are done on my main so if Im running them its to help, so no I dont need those mobs or bosses0 -
GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes it does work both ways .. but I dont see the Bm's, Venos, Wizzies making " Should I Charge " threads.
Maybe we should all make a price list
God my BM would make a fortune.
Stunned Mobs : 10k
Aoe: 25k
Tanking bosses: 75k
Saving a Clerics life and XP : 500k
Helping others for free because its a nice thing to do: Priceless
Maybe I see and play the game differantly I dunno... If I can help people I help, sometimes thats at a cost to myself but I still wouldnt expect compensation or payment ( Maybe Im a fool, to nice or both lol )
But I suppose its like RL. Some people will have the " Sure no problem " attitude while others will have the " Whats in it for me ? "
And you're missing the point. While I agree with the helping people because it's nice to do, if there's anything I've learned in life, and in game, is that 1) Karma is a *****, and 2) nice people finish last. That being said, I do not agree with your examples being given as a counter-argument. Stunning is not something amazing, as several classes can do that. AoE'ing? Hah. Clerics (and other classes for that matter) can AoE just as well, if only to a lesser degree. Tanking mobs/bosses, sure I'll give you that. That is a useful ability to have. And saving the Cleric's life? That's your job if you're in squad with them. If you die, the Cleric can rez you (with minimal exp loss) whereas if the Cleric dies (and doesn't have a GA, or secondary Cleric) they will lose exp.
But what you're arguing is other classes' combat abilities (which may or may not be so great, ijs) could be used and you could ask for compensation. Which one of your skills is great enough to save another from losing exp, that may or may not have taken them from minutes to days to accumulate? Resurrection is by far one of the best skills to have, in regards to actual application. If you want to try the whole, pay me for my skills, you would be better off re-rolling a Cleric to do so, as a 30 minute speed buff isn't that great in comparison to a skill that can keep you from losing potentially hours of effort. There are pots available for your buffs, so no big loss for not wanting to pay for yours, and granted there are items (GA's) to help with exp loss, the only real 'free' way is through a Cleric.
Be humble (and civil, FFS) when asking for a rez, and I doubt any Cleric will be self-centered enough to refuse you, for lack of payment or otherwise. I know that if you were to ask me in such a fashion, I wouldn't be able to refuse, unless RL issues came up, or if I was simply too busy at that time.
To the OP: Charge what you feel is correct for the situation (player's mannerism, events, etc, whatever you can deduce) and charge accordingly. If you don't wish to charge, don't. If you feel you deserve to be compensated, then by all means suggest it. They will either say yes or no, and you can move on from there.We have two ears and one tongue so that we would listen more and talk less. - Diogenes
It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them. - Pierre Beaumarchais
You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into. - Unknown0 -
GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »I totally agree we seem to live in the Handout Generation, compared to how things were when I was growing up.
But sadly that handout/gimmie is only good if it works in their favour.
" Hey gimmie free stuff, but I will charge you for mine "
Basically this.
I have worked for every penny I have. I busted my backside building a company from literally the ground, up. I laid my sweat down right next to the guys I hired to work for me, doing the same amount of work on the job that I expected of them, on top of the added work of keeping all the books, paying the wages, workman's comp, Insurance, designing and doing the advertising, etc etc etc.
I look back at what I accomplished, and what I sacrificed doing it, and I am proud of what I built. I EARNED what I have today. It wasn't given to me. I don't expect that in life, but it seems many do.
~S0 -
Nexdonum - Lost City wrote: »
Which one of your skills is great enough to save another from losing exp, that may or may not have taken them from minutes to days to accumulate? .
If you read was talking about my BM..
So Demon RoTP (no fail stun,saved many Clerics XP )
Myriad ( Reduces dmg, Saved many a Clerics XP )
Smack ( Seals, Saved many a Clerics XP )
Atmos/Meteor ( Push back, saved many a Clerics XP )
You save XP after the Death, other classes stop you dying so you dont lose XP .. Fair no cost trade no ?0 -
GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »If you read was talking about my BM..
So Demon RoTP (no fail stun,saved many Clerics XP )
Myriad ( Reduces dmg, Saved many a Clerics XP )
Smack ( Seals, Saved many a Clerics XP )
Atmos/Meteor ( Push back, saved many a Clerics XP )
You save XP after the Death, other classes stop you dying so you dont lose XP .. Fair no cost trade no ?
/facepalm
I know you were talking about your BM, maybe you should look back a bit and reread my first paragraph?
And the skills you've mentioned are only good if used correctly. I'll concede that you can possibly save exp for a Cleric, but that's a chance thing. You miss your skill, they die. A resurrection does not fail, and is to recover EXP after it's been taken. If you want to argue that way, I could also say that my Chromatic Seal is as good as my Resurrection skill, as I can sleep the mob, then have several options at my disposal. I could debuff the mob, IH myself, and then nuke them. I could also wait for my squad members to take over and kill that mob, so I don't die. But a skill like that (and those you've stated) =/= Resurrection ability. Like you said, all those skills (and literally every other skill available) will help against the death of a player, but the ONLY skill after death, which can save exp and therefore is something worthwhile, is Resurrection. That in itself warrants compensation, if any skill were to.We have two ears and one tongue so that we would listen more and talk less. - Diogenes
It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them. - Pierre Beaumarchais
You cannot reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into. - Unknown0 -
GothicAngeI - Heavens Tear wrote: »If you read was talking about my BM..
So Demon RoTP (no fail stun,saved many Clerics XP )
Myriad ( Reduces dmg, Saved many a Clerics XP )
Smack ( Seals, Saved many a Clerics XP )
Atmos/Meteor ( Push back, saved many a Clerics XP )
You save XP after the Death, other classes stop you dying so you dont lose XP .. Fair no cost trade no ?
You are playing your role in your squad, nothing more, nothing less. An outside cleric stoning into your instance to rez your party-wipe isn't the same. If you are tanking Jewel, Slitt, Krimson, etc., then charge for your services if you want to. Though you can't charge on a FB, that's rep for you. And you can't charge on BH bosses that you also need. That's exp/sp for you... or maybe you could, like some barbs/clerics these days.b:chuckle The point is that if you go out of your way to help everyone with absolutely no benefit to yourself, then good for you and everyone who has you on their friends list, but don't demand or expect the same free help from everyone else.0 -
these days xp is so abundant, as long as it's not a bad TT run usually it's easy to make back that xp. i mean what you get from BH and FCC is so huge that the xp hit from deaths is kind of irrelevant in the long run lol. i've died while grinding and ported many times, buy guardian scrolls or take the hit seriously.
although if there is a cleric in the area then i do ask for a ress occasionally.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
Qui: b:dirty0 -
It seems to me that in most ethical situations there is a middle ground, when the person is showing neither virtue nor vice.
There seems to be quite a few people here that view this middle ground as - fly all over the map rezzing me now!
Any cleric that is willing to give up time rezzing my butt for free, then they are a saint.
If they expect compensation for their time, then they have provided a service for a fair price, an entirley neutral action.
If the cleric sticks me with an unexpected and unasked for level 1 rez, then we have the other end of the scale.
Personally I never think to ask, I don't get killed that often and take it as an object lesson.0 -
My opinion:
You rolled a cleric. You help people. It's why you rolled a cleric. You could have rolled a wizzy if you liked heals but don't want to rez people. If they give you coin, or some sort of reward, take it as a "Thank you". Don't ask for anythin' in return. I'm a barb, and when I run around and help people, I don't expect anything back but a thank you.0 -
Oh my, charging for ress?
Allow me to buy a guardian scroll and some ress scrolls then, we're entering a new era!
Seriously, guys. Ress is a skill just like any other skill that you have. If you're within the mini map/area, and someone ask for a ress, you're really going to charge them for it? Hell, I sent my herc out to die for some squishies that have one too many mobs on them so they can escape without dying. Do I go "Hey, pay me for the pet food that its going to cost me to gain that loyalty back?"
No, because I chose to do that. Hence, I don't expect anything in return.
If you get it as compensation, be thankful. Lord knows it must be a pain to drop what you're doing, tele across the world or fly, and then going through instances to do one skill. But to demand payment for it? Sure its your choice but...
Come on.0 -
I wonder what peoples' view on this is for sage/demon revives.. I mean 10+ mil for a skill that does the user absolutely no good seems a bit much to me. Unno.. maybe its just me0
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Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »I wonder what peoples' view on this is for sage/demon revives.. I mean 10+ mil for a skill that does the user absolutely no good seems a bit much to me. Unno.. maybe its just me
My opinion is still the same for demon/sage rez. If a cleric doesn't want to rez people without a reward beyond "Thank you for your help.", then they should have rolled a different class - Maybe a wizzy or psy.0 -
Yea i can agree with that, still.. I wonder how clerics justify buying a skill that costs that much just for the sake of others.0
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So ... these thread has changed to help for free or a service that need payment. b:dirty
I know some cleric that leave rez at lv 1, because they not want to be bothered for rez people, and lv rez skill not directly help them own self. (especially for solo cleric)
These is very simple thing that decided by individual them self, why bother so much with saying people that playing cleric must be a good helping person. b:bye
And there some people that ignore class skill and make unique build, Axe cleric anyone ? Bowbarian ? Sword archer ?
That their own choice so don't bother about it so much. b:surrender
Me my self always give my cleric friend something for rez me. (if they come from far away, or busy at that time)
If it just passing by cleric and i am not died at dangerous position or place, then i let them choice charge me or not x.x . . . "Well, how much you want ?"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Sorry i speak engrish b:chuckle
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Damewort - Sanctuary wrote: »You can charge them, but take into mind few things:
1. Dont overcharge.
Meaning, dont make money from revives. Calc how much money you lose by going and reviving and then charge the approx sum. If cleric is near, then basically his/her only costs are mp, which can be covered by 1 mp pot. If you need to teleport to revive, then charge for it.
2. Warn people about charging before you revive them.
3. Expect some trash talking too....
^I agree fully with this.
also
if all clerics had a minimal price people would be less careless0 -
id rather loose exp than pay money. so, no ty.Q - How to win on Perfect World?
A - Throw money at it.0 -
Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »Yea i can agree with that, still.. I wonder how clerics justify buying a skill that costs that much just for the sake of others.
Yeah, dunno. If I was a cleric, I'd justify it by showin' off. Then again, that's just my nature. I enjoy showin' off my skillz, gear, and all that jazz. It's a spendy proposition, but such is life
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XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »id rather loose exp than pay money. so, no ty.
Enjoy your trip to town then, or do what I do, and have res scrolls and Guardian scrolls on you at all times (and my wife has a 6x cleric, and I STILL do this).
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XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »id rather loose exp than pay money. so, no ty.
I rather pay money than lost exp, if my lv already at 8x + b:shocked
Or borrow rez scroll . . . well more like rez scroll i guess.
Well i already paying my friend from rez me anyway -_- . .[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Sorry i speak engrish b:chuckle
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Hmmm, I have just browsed through this thread at best.
I "rez" when I feel like it. If I do you are lucky. My rez-skill is always at the highest level available at the current level I am att (goes for any skill I have as I max skills per level before I level to the next).
If I have to come from the other side of the world I like a "Thank you" at least and donations are always welcome if I rez in the field. Ofcourse, I fly all the way as I rarely use any teleport.
You want me to teleport then I exspect to see compensation, it's that simple.
What I do like to see is a self-rez when you max out this skill as the skill is useless to a cleric him/herself.
Ofcourse I do agree if this skill becomes possible that a LOOOOOOOOOONG cooldown time or limit of self-rezzings per day are part of the equasion (as it would otherwise be undermining the CS/playershop economics around rez-scrolls).
Just my 2 cents.I speak for myself. My opinions are my own.
Assuming I speak for others is therefor void.0 -
Personally, i've always looked down upon people that don't town immediately after dying. I could've understood back in the old days for a high level (at least 80+) to have done so, as xp really was much harder to get. Nowadays there's no excuse however. It's really annoying to me to see a 3x constantly spamming res requests when it really would save him time to just town (i forgot, it's releasing now) and grind whatever xp he/she may have lost. Unless you're in squad with a cleric in a boss or instance run (in which case i would consider it their duty) asking for res seems pathetic to me. I have many cleric friends, i think one of the reasons they remain so is i NEVER ask them to waste even a couple of minutes of THEIR time.
Having said this, asking for compensation seems petty and cheap to me. Do it if you can get away with it but don't expect people like me to respect you for it. If i squad with randoms and ranged classes start using my pet as an aid i'm happy i can help my fellow player, and would never charge them for it just as i wouldn't expect them to charge me if i get in trouble and they save my life.
Something i've always liked about MMOs is people actually show who they really are. Just as some players act cowardly (it's a virtual world for geebus' sake!) others show themselves to be greedy. What you do says a lot about yourself, even if it's not irl.0
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