Sale for Haiti ?

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  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I wouldnt contribute. And I dont think PWE has any right to involve political or humanitarian causes in its business.

    You start a donation for one cause, and it opens the floodgates to other causes. Next thing you know, this is a fckn charity, not a fantasy MMO.

    You do realize a majority of people who play this game are trying to GET AWAY from every day hardships, stress and responsibilities right?

    If you wanna donate something, go do it somewhere else.

    This +100. What PWE does with it's money and/or it's sales is it's own business.
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  • Foxymage - Harshlands
    Foxymage - Harshlands Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Helping your fellow man in a time of need is about as far away from setting your money on fire as is humanly possible.

    if you'r so pressed to help them go to google and type in donate to haiti...im pretty sure a site will come up were they have many options for you to donate if you feel so strongly about it.
    -i was in the million dolla meetins he was cheatin. all up in the church, he was sneakin with the deacon. cats away while the mice will play lol smiley face have a nicer day. cuz pop pop po it goes my rubber band so stop stop stop sniffin that contraband. cuz you was penny pinchin my accounts laced attenion! about face.

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  • Crazydan - Heavens Tear
    Crazydan - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,178 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    For ppl that dont want RL issuses to mix in with their game life umm dont read threads like this then problem solved.

    Ppl r greedy and PWE can use that greed to help out a cause.


    If ppl reali want to help they can go to the red cross or any other donation places

    plz for all things holy lock this thread dont think i mmissed anything
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxymage - Harshlands wrote: »
    if you'r so pressed to help them go to google and type in donate to haiti...im pretty sure a site will come up were they have many options for you to donate if you feel so strongly about it.
    You're missing the point. Its not that there isn't a way for me to make a personal donation. It is that any way to generate extra money for a needy cause is a positive and not a negative thing.

    It doesn't matter where the money comes from, there just needs to be more of it, so the more ways that it can be generated the better.

    If your home was decimated by a natural disaster would you care where the money came from to provide you food and basic medical care? Or would you refuse the aid because someone got a personal benefit because they donated to your cause.

    Are the same people whining about the price of mats and gold being high the ones who are opposed to PWI holding some kind of fund raising event?

    Look in the mirror hypocrites. Greed = self-interest above what is in the best interest of everyone.
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  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This, exactly. And to the poster who insists it's extortion, again, it's not. No one is being FORCED to donate if PWE does take up this idea and use it. You'd be buying what you normally "need" or want ingame, but part of that money goes towards a good cause as well. Where's the extortion in that? Like I said, nobody is holding a gun to your head telling you to donate or else. It's not a guilt trip either, unless the community takes it upon itself to shame those who do not charge during the sale period. Unless PWE decides to advertise it as "save the starving, dying kids by buying something today!" -- there is NO basis for calling it extortion. It all depends on how the community approaches the subject and how the sale (if there was one) is announced to the public/player base.

    Did you even read the links this is exactly extortion
    : to obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power : wring; also : to gain especially by ingenuity or compelling argument

    The italics are what I am talking about.

    You are saying people are less human if they don't support your idea, in the states the big house you go. You need to get your prioritizes straight its not your job to say that people should be ashamed of themselves. You neither know them nor know their fiscal situation. If PWE cared about it they would have already done it only the percentile is a viable option for this anyway.
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  • Ephemerai - Sanctuary
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TBH I really don't understand the opposition to such a sale, UNLESS the sale involves overpowered items being sold. Which isn't what people are asking for...

    If you charge anyways, whats the harm in part of that money going to the Haiti relief effort?
    If you don't charge and don't want to/can't afford to charge, why would the existence of a sale pressure you into doing anything?? (this goes to the claim of extortion.. how is it extortion if no one's forcing you or pressuring you into doing it??)

    How is it in any way stressful?

    Err, just saw the post above, so responding here.

    How the heck would a sale of sorts involve intimidation o_O This discussion involves making compelling arguments, but that's what discussions USUALLY involve no matter what the topic. The sale itself, if it came into existence, is not extortion. If you want to call the idea of a sale for Haiti extortion, then go ahead and call EVERY type of fundraiser extortion, including things like girl scouts selling girl scouts cookies to raise money for their activities >.> Because all in all, a sale for Haiti would be a fundraiser to gather money for Haiti relief efforts.

    I never said people are less human for not supporting the idea.. please point out where you think I'm saying people are less human, because I think you misunderstood something. I never said people should be ashamed of themselves, what I was saying was that, UNLESS the COMMUNITY is shaming those who do not support the cause, there is NO form of pressure on those who do not wish to contribute for personal reasons.

    You also can't say that if PWE cared PWE would have done it. Who are you to speak for PWE? Yes, maybe they've thought about it already and decided against it, but the odds are they hadn't. Sometimes suggestions from the community CAN make a difference. Or maybe that's me being idealistic again.

    It doesn't matter that the percentile (I assume you mean x% of the profit) is the only viable option. Why? No matter how much money is gathered, it'd still be more than $0, which is what we would get if we decided to turn a blind eye to this and insist it couldn't happen without even trying.
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  • Foxymage - Harshlands
    Foxymage - Harshlands Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You're missing the point. Its not that there isn't a way for me to make a personal donation. It is that any way to generate extra money for a needy cause is a positive and not a negative thing.

    It doesn't matter where the money comes from, there just needs to be more of it, so the more ways that it can be generated the better.

    If your home was decimated by a natural disaster would you care where the money came from to provide you food and basic medical care? Or would you refuse the aid because someone got a personal benefit because they donated to your cause.

    Are the same people whining about the price of mats and gold being high the ones who are opposed to PWI holding some kind of fund raising event?

    Look in the mirror hypocrites. Greed = self-interest above what is in the best interest of everyone.

    well im very greedy because i put myself infront of anyone eisle and because of my personal beliefs i think the people in haiti got what they deserved.
    -i was in the million dolla meetins he was cheatin. all up in the church, he was sneakin with the deacon. cats away while the mice will play lol smiley face have a nicer day. cuz pop pop po it goes my rubber band so stop stop stop sniffin that contraband. cuz you was penny pinchin my accounts laced attenion! about face.

    ~nicki minaj~
  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary wrote: »
    TBH I really don't understand the opposition to such a sale, UNLESS the sale involves overpowered items being sold. Which isn't what people are asking for...

    If you charge anyways, whats the harm in part of that money going to the Haiti relief effort?
    If you don't charge and don't want to/can't afford to charge, why would the existence of a sale pressure you into doing anything?? (this goes to the claim of extortion.. how is it extortion if no one's forcing you or pressuring you into doing it??)

    How is it in any way stressful?


    Do you read apparently not.............=_=. SHOULD they decide to do this it is their right they can do this and people will support it that is where you are mistaken in thinking. You seem to be under a firm belief that the people who are providing counter points would not support this should it happen they are entitled to their opinions and their opinions are that they truly do not wish a mix of these things.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxymage - Harshlands wrote: »
    well im very greedy because i put myself infront of anyone eisle and because of my personal beliefs i think the people in haiti got what they deserved.

    WOW, i knew there was something sickening behind the opposition. What are your personal beliefs that make you think ANYBODY deserves to have their life destroyed by a natural disaster? Is it ignorant racism? is it the pat robertson theory, that at some point haiti made a deal with the devil?

    Please enlighten me on the basis for you disgusting point of view.
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  • Quanyin - Heavens Tear
    Quanyin - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    PWE has no business investing in this. I'd just as soon give money directly to the red cross or to one of the many religious organizations that are ALREADY THERE.

    But hey, whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Foxymage - Harshlands wrote: »
    well im very greedy because i put myself infront of anyone eisle and because of my personal beliefs i think the people in haiti got what they deserved.

    Im sorry If I have taken this out of context. Dont know what is said before, but I do know foxymage's previous posts. The bolded part just makes you an ignorant fool.
    I was early taught to work as well as play,
    My life has been one long, happy holiday;
    Full of work and full of play-
    I dropped the worry on the way-
    And God was good to me everyday.
  • Quanyin - Heavens Tear
    Quanyin - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Im sorry If I have taken this out of context. Dont know what is said before, but I do know foxymage's previous posts. The bolded part just makes you an ignorant fool.
    Actually, there are some religious groups that believe the Haitians brought this upon themselves for "Devil worship", AKA the practice of voodoo.
  • Ephemerai - Sanctuary
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Do you read apparently not.............=_=. SHOULD they decide to do this it is their right they can do this and people will support it that is where you are mistaken in thinking. You seem to be under a firm belief that the people who are providing counter points would not support this should it happen they are entitled to their opinions and their opinions are that they truly do not wish a mix of these things.
    lol, please check my post. I only saw yours after I post mine o_O Seriously, don't take things personally and don't start dishing out personal insults like "do you read? apparently not," no matter how mild it is. Things like that destroy intelligent conversations/discussions.

    I also don't see where the rest of your post is coming from. You seem to be jumping to conclusions about my beliefs, because I never stated anything close to that o_o
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    WOW, i knew there was something sickening behind the opposition. What are your personal beliefs that make you think ANYBODY deserves to have their life destroyed by a natural disaster? Is it ignorant racism? is it the pat robertson theory, that at some point haiti made a deal with the devil?

    Please enlighten me on the basis for you disgusting point of view.
    Maybe she was being sarcastic? ><
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  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well you don't read do you? I posted my extortion case far before you posted yours back when I posted the links. So no you don't read. And no you didn't directly say anything but realize with you saying what you do this is how it comes off perhaps you should change your words so they don't sound so offensive. And its not just you its most people in this thread. I figure if you all can tear apart other peoples words and say that they should be ashamed (which you did say) I can take your words and guilt trip you back. Its only fair since there is so much generalization in this thread.

    And perhaps some people did deserve it perhaps they didn't that is noones place to decide.
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  • _makina_ - Sanctuary
    _makina_ - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Here is a better idea how about you donate to the red cross/hati charities instead of waiting for a game company to do it for you? Since like you want to help right? So just donate to the right places and its done.
  • Ephemerai - Sanctuary
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Well you don't read do you? I posted my extortion case far before you posted yours back when I posted the links. So no you don't read. And no you didn't directly say anything but realize with you saying what you do this is how it comes off perhaps you should change your words so they don't sound so offensive. And its not just you its most people in this thread. I figure if you all can tear apart other peoples words and say that they should be ashamed (which you did say) I can take your words and guilt trip you back. Its only fair since there is so much generalization in this thread.

    And perhaps some people did deserve it perhaps they didn't that is noones place to decide.

    I never said anyone should be ashamed of themselves, I was saying IF the community took it upon itself to shame others...

    If anything, you're the one taking my words offensively. I've been pretty careful to write most of what I've written in a neutral tone. Yes, everyone's entitled to an opinion, I agree -- and what I've been saying is an expression of my opinion. I did read your post with the links, but the fact of the matter is that a sale does not constitute extortion. You have to take the context of the word into account, you can't just pick the one definition you like and stick with it as an arguing point.

    The only things I've said that could be twisted like that, imo, are my questions (e.g. how is it a bad thing?).. I still don't see where you get me saying everyone arguing against this should be ashamed o_o; Seriously, if you want to accuse me of that, please quote me. I never intended to say anything of the sort, so if I did in my half-waking state when I wrote the first half of my posts in this thread, I'd like to know.
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  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sigh well particular you never said they should be ashamed but many others have. There are many people in the conversation. The extortion was not in regards to the sale but in regards to the posts people made. They are extortion.......

    I don't feel like reading your first posts from last night it doesn't matter. I am sorry I accused you of saying you in particular saying people should be ashamed. I was using a blanket term.
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  • Ephemerai - Sanctuary
    Ephemerai - Sanctuary Posts: 335 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It's okay, in part I just wanted to be sure I didn't type something like that before I'd gone to sleep, lol. Sorry for misunderstanding the point of the extortion comments, I'd (obviously) thought from beginning to end that you were referring to the concept of the sale itself.
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  • Bebisito - Dreamweaver
    Bebisito - Dreamweaver Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'm not for or against this idea, but as long as Haiti is getting a piece of the pie, does it really even matter where it's coming from?

    Say people have already donated to some charity for relief in Haiti. Then there happens to be a "part of proceeds go to Haiti,... ect" sale on PW. Why not charge some zen and "donate" a little bit more?
  • Lightaine - Dreamweaver
    Lightaine - Dreamweaver Posts: 326 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    RaDeSK - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ... Perfect World INTERNATIONAL is an NORTH American company... Perfect World Entertainment is not...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Perfect_World
    http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/index.html


    @topic:
    hum, I think that if you care that much you should donate to red cross, since I can't check if my money will get there, so much corruption in my country...

    Perfect World International is not a company at all, it is a game. Perfect World Entertainment is American...

    Perfect World Entertainment Inc., a wholly-owned subsidiary of Perfect World Co. Ltd., was established in the U.S. in April 2008...
    hai2u
  • Quanyin - Heavens Tear
    Quanyin - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Bebisito - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'm not for or against this idea, but as long as Haiti is getting a piece of the pie, does it really even matter where it's coming from?

    Say people have already donated to some charity for relief in Haiti. Then there happens to be a "part of proceeds go to Haiti,... ect" sale on PW. Why not charge some zen and "donate" a little bit more?
    Sending money by itself is not enough/has little effect.
  • Bebisito - Dreamweaver
    Bebisito - Dreamweaver Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Quanyin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sending money by itself is not enough/has little effect.
    If they in turn donated whatever chunk they said they would to a reputable charity, I'd hope that charity would be the ones buying food, water, and clothing for Haiti.
    Kinda common sense, didn't think I had to sit here and type it word for word.
  • Quanyin - Heavens Tear
    Quanyin - Heavens Tear Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Bebisito - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If they in turn donated whatever chunk they said they would to a reputable charity, I'd hope that charity would be the ones buying food, water, and clothing for Haiti.
    Kinda common sense, didn't think I had to sit here and type it word for word.
    Then why not just donate to the charity directly and have them get ALL of it rather than a percentage? Are people so cheap nowadays that they cannot donate to a charity for disaster relief without getting something in return, even if it's something so minuscule as currency on a videogame?

    Like I said, PWE has no business in Haiti.
  • ChaoticTears - Harshlands
    ChaoticTears - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    PWE/PWI might already have donated a large some of money.

    All this idea boils down to is:

    "Please PWI let me charge $50 and get the full amount of zen... Then you donate some of YOUR profit .. Then I can sit on my new mount feeling all smug that I did my part without it costing me a penny of MY money."


    Seriously if you want to donate.. Go to one of the numerous charities and donate YOUR own money, stop expecting a company who might already have donatedto do the job for you...

    If you want PWI to do it for you fine.. Charge $50 .. PWI gives you 33 Gold and sends the other $20 to Haiti... Sounds a perfect plan imo. Any objections ?
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  • Xyphion - Raging Tide
    Xyphion - Raging Tide Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Firstly this is not likely to happen. If you want to donate or help out, contact the redcross or a reputable charity.

    Secondly its kinda twisted logic to say that you would charge more zen if PWI would donate to Haiti.

    so i guess what im saying is lets end this crappy thread and sure if u feel compelled to help another human being out, please do so by doing it on your own whereby you dont get zen in return for your "kind gesture" b:chuckle
  • Foxymage - Harshlands
    Foxymage - Harshlands Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Im sorry If I have taken this out of context. Dont know what is said before, but I do know foxymage's previous posts. The bolded part just makes you an ignorant fool.

    so im a fool because of my religon?

    EDIT:because if you are id like to hear how.
    -i was in the million dolla meetins he was cheatin. all up in the church, he was sneakin with the deacon. cats away while the mice will play lol smiley face have a nicer day. cuz pop pop po it goes my rubber band so stop stop stop sniffin that contraband. cuz you was penny pinchin my accounts laced attenion! about face.

    ~nicki minaj~
  • Zhoubotong - Heavens Tear
    Zhoubotong - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ChaoticTears - Harshlands wrote: »
    PWE/PWI might already have donated a large some of money.

    All this idea boils down to is:

    "Please PWI let me charge $50 and get the full amount of zen... Then you donate some of YOUR profit .. Then I can sit on my new mount feeling all smug that I did my part without it costing me a penny of MY money."


    Seriously if you want to donate.. Go to one of the numerous charities and donate YOUR own money, stop expecting a company who might already have donatedto do the job for you...

    If you want PWI to do it for you fine.. Charge $50 .. PWI gives you 33 Gold and sends the other $20 to Haiti... Sounds a perfect plan imo. Any objections ?


    I agree that this thread sounds very much like "I want to feel good but not actually give my own money for free," so I would suggest the people who feel strongly about donating to give money directly to a charity. Making PWE a charity adds overhead on their end and your good intentions of helping others may be mistaken.

    My first choice was to donate through my employer because they matched donations. I still spent my own money but it was certainly a plus that my employer also matched, which is different from saying I still want my full salary while my employer contributes an additional $x.

    My second choice would have been to leverage the text messaging tool as outlined in the following article
    <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/15/AR2010011503269.html&gt;

    I think it's a great idea that people are thinking outside the box for ways to help. It just sounds like for this particular issue, many people prefer to donate directly to a charity instead.
  • Foxymage - Harshlands
    Foxymage - Harshlands Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i really want lyold to come back to this thread and read my post so i can make a fool out of him.
    -i was in the million dolla meetins he was cheatin. all up in the church, he was sneakin with the deacon. cats away while the mice will play lol smiley face have a nicer day. cuz pop pop po it goes my rubber band so stop stop stop sniffin that contraband. cuz you was penny pinchin my accounts laced attenion! about face.

    ~nicki minaj~
  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Thats no way to act you truly look like a fool with what you said foxy it has nothing to do with religion. What he is referring to is your blatant disregard for other people. If you believe they deserve it thats your opinion but that does not stop people from thinking you a fool for thinking so.
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  • Foxymage - Harshlands
    Foxymage - Harshlands Posts: 373 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Thats no way to act you truly look like a fool with what you said foxy it has nothing to do with religion. What he is referring to is your blatant disregard for other people. If you believe they deserve it thats your opinion but that does not stop people from thinking you a fool for thinking so.

    well it has all to do with relgion because my relgion said they deserved it. so if everyone thinks im a fool then you think my relgion is a fool.
    -i was in the million dolla meetins he was cheatin. all up in the church, he was sneakin with the deacon. cats away while the mice will play lol smiley face have a nicer day. cuz pop pop po it goes my rubber band so stop stop stop sniffin that contraband. cuz you was penny pinchin my accounts laced attenion! about face.

    ~nicki minaj~
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