Sale for Haiti ?

Kaneharo - Dreamweaver

o_O I created a topic a few weeks back in suggestions... It merely died though. But it's weird to see that people get pissed off off of donating to the needy.... when people spend thousands of dollars on this game -.-;;;; Sad and kind of sickening.... almost on the level of richer countries having eating contests while there are people in the world starving... The only difference that would affect YOUR zen as it would go in is that part of the money spent to obtain it, however small or large would go to someone who needs it.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

._.'
why not send more assistance, food, water, shelter, etc....instead of a piece of cloth or it's digital counter part....
humans be strange.
b:surrender

StormChaos - Heavens Tear

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

I was talking to someone about this, and to satisfy all the people that are upset about the idea, how about something like this:

A new Cash Shop item is introduced for a limited time, say, a shirt that says "Haiti" or something simple like that. Half of the money used to buy this particular item is donated to a Haitian relief fund, and half goes to PW. The item would be affordable, maybe 2 gold. This would make the players happy by being an item they can buy to help Haiti (plus a nice little souvenir), PW would get more money and good PR from it, and the Haitians would get more help. Everyone wins.

That would be a better system, since it would be the players themselves donating and not expecting PWI to donate for them.

Aclucius - Lost City

StormChaos - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The thing is though the way the OP's post is put the only people donating would be PWI, which they might already have done so for all we know.

A "Zen sale for Haiti" means nothing since only the company is donating not any player, who is still getting his full amount of gold for $ charged.
If people want to donate THEMSELVES and not expect PWI or others to do it for them, there are plenty of other charities out there.

OR

Player X charges zen and only gets 80% of it in gold, the rest of the $ goes to Haiti. Now lets see how many charge

Yes, it would be the company donating. However, do you not think that with more people buying, PWE would actually be making more of a profit from all the extra sales and still be able to donate?

Let's take a hypothetical, which is obviously going to be inaccurate to the actual stats. If 100 people are charging $10 of zen, a total of $1,000, then $200 would go to the donation. If though, the amount of people or the amount of zen increased to give the company $1,250 in total before donations are taken out, then they will make the same amount as normal, while donating money and gaining a good reputation with it. All that means, in this scenario, is that either 10 people charge at $25 who wouldn't have charged, or any number of other possibilities. That is also assuming people won't buy more for this cause.

PWE could easily turn a profit from this, because many people will buy more zen, or even start buying zen, for this cause. They will actually be able to increase the profit they make during the donation time, while getting advertisement for it. It is a win-win scenario. They would only truly lose out if they lost sales, because the advertisement would still help them.

Aclucius - Lost City

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

I was talking to someone about this, and to satisfy all the people that are upset about the idea, how about something like this:

A new Cash Shop item is introduced for a limited time, say, a shirt that says "Haiti" or something simple like that. Half of the money used to buy this particular item is donated to a Haitian relief fund, and half goes to PW. The item would be affordable, maybe 2 gold. This would make the players happy by being an item they can buy to help Haiti (plus a nice little souvenir), PW would get more money and good PR from it, and the Haitians would get more help. Everyone wins.

I agree it's a great idea, but my fear would be that people wouldn't buy it because they don't like the item. If PWE were to make a poll with several options of items to put in for the donation, then take the one with the most votes, it would work very well. However, an idea like this they can't go into without doing some research to make sure it will work out well.

Teh_fishey - Dreamweaver

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

I was talking to someone about this, and to satisfy all the people that are upset about the idea, how about something like this:

A new Cash Shop item is introduced for a limited time, say, a shirt that says "Haiti" or something simple like that. Half of the money used to buy this particular item is donated to a Haitian relief fund, and half goes to PW. The item would be affordable, maybe 2 gold. This would make the players happy by being an item they can buy to help Haiti (plus a nice little souvenir), PW would get more money and good PR from it, and the Haitians would get more help. Everyone wins.

Thats a really good idea.

And by the way, to everyone who's been hating on the hatians... I do donate to the red cross and other organizations... I like to do what I can, and I feel incorporating life-saving into something I was gonna spend money on anyways is a great idea.

RainKilganon - Lost City

If you really cared about the effort you wouldn't NEED an excuse to donate. This kind of false philanthropy sickens me. "I would totally spend more money on this game if they donated it". Sweet. Put your money where your mouth is and go donate, and leave your charities out of my pixel world. But no, a lot of (not all) people want something in return and need an excuse to feel better about themselves. This way they can buy that shiny new mount and not feel guilty that they didn't donate their money to a cause they claim to care about.

Like the one guy said, some of us play the game to escape. And I would hate the real world to creep into my escape. I would STOP charging Zen if that happened, because I refuse to allow my payment for pixel fun to creep into real life issues that I play the game to avoid.

Satuki - Harshlands

I think a sale would be better suited for HAPPY TIMES AND GOOD THINGS like CHIRSTMAS and NEW YEARS (P.S. isn't chinese new years coming I think?). So people suffering = yay sale? just go donate and make someone happy, regardless if its for Haiti or your neighbor across the street having a hard time.

Aclucius - Lost City

RainKilganon - Lost City wrote: »

If you really cared about the effort you wouldn't NEED an excuse to donate. This kind of false philanthropy sickens me. "I would totally spend more money on this game if they donated it". Sweet. Put your money where your mouth is and go donate, and leave your charities out of my pixel world. But no, a lot of (not all) people want something in return and need an excuse to feel better about themselves. This way they can buy that shiny new mount and not feel guilty that they didn't donate their money to a cause they claim to care about.

Like the one guy said, some of us play the game to escape. And I would hate the real world to creep into my escape. I would STOP charging Zen if that happened, because I refuse to allow my payment for pixel fun to creep into real life issues that I play the game to avoid.

You haven't yet given a good reason not to do this. By not doing this, the Haitians get no money at all from this company, while by doing it, they get money. Yes, for many people it would be false philanthropy. However, a donation is a donation. If it gets more money for them, then what is the problem? Are you saying that you would rather they not get this money instead of getting it because others won't normally donate it? Essentially, you are saying that instead of giving 20 new homes, you would rather they not get any of those because you don't agree with the reason people donated.

_Inferno - Sanctuary

I think Aadi's idea is great. The Haiti shirt could give 1.5x exp or something, and make it last like a week or something (limited edition? xD) so it won't replace training esos. If its cheap, I'd buy it. Plus i can use it to zhen. =D

Ajani - Harshlands

Satuki - Harshlands wrote: »

I think a sale would be better suited for HAPPY TIMES AND GOOD THINGS like CHIRSTMAS and NEW YEARS (P.S. isn't chinese new years coming I think?). So people suffering = yay sale? just go donate and make someone happy, regardless if its for Haiti or your neighbor across the street having a hard time.

This..

_Inferno - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think Aadi's idea is great. The Haiti shirt could give 1.5x exp or something, and make it last like a week or something (limited edition? xD) so it won't replace training esos. If its cheap, I'd buy it. Plus i can use it to zhen. =D

The idea was a shirt.. not oracles for haiti (guess what.. they might do this one lol)

Teh_fishey - Dreamweaver

_Inferno - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think Aadi's idea is great. The Haiti shirt could give 1.5x exp or something, and make it last like a week or something (limited edition? xD) so it won't replace training esos. If its cheap, I'd buy it. Plus i can use it to zhen. =D

I like this way because it seems like something useful, that would help Haiti (even if it is false philanthropy), and it actually sounds resonable.

Giodia - Heavens Tear

To put it bluntly, you will never know how much people have donated through Perfect World.

The reason being that any figures can be falsified.

The people who are rallying for this donation idea, to be frank, is to satisfy their desire to charge zen and get something back in return eg. fame, or goodies.

Their intention has been made known through various suggestions and the one on a t-shirt giving 1.5 times exp is really a bit overboard.


If one is so inclined to donate, they would have done so through various options available in US. A simple call to your telco / SMS will allow you to donate whatever amount you wish to.

What people have not realised is that the willingness to help stems right from the heart. If one expects something return like even a pixel, then this is not a donation. This is just simply a desire to fulfil or provide an excuse to charge zen.

The situation in Haiti has gone on for a fair amount of time and the players of PWI, got charitable out of the blue?

Donations doesn't really have to gain you anything, no badge or stickers to proof that you have fulfilled your responsibilities as a Human Being. I do not need a sticker or badge to tell people that I have donated.

As I have mentioned earlier, the willingness to help, comes right from your heart. Expecting a pixel or even more outrageous rewards has indicated different levels of greed itself.

If you are so willing to donate, do it through the real world. There are many options available.

Aclucius - Lost City

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

To put it bluntly, you will never know how much people have donated through Perfect World.

The reason being that any figures can be falsified.

The people who are rallying for this donation idea, to be frank, is to satisfy their desire to charge zen and get something back in return eg. fame, or goodies.

Their intention has been made known through various suggestions and the one on a t-shirt giving 1.5 times exp is really a bit overboard.


If one is so inclined to donate, they would have done so through various options available in US. A simple call to your telco / SMS will allow you to donate whatever amount you wish to.

What people have not realised is that the willingness to help stems right from the heart. If one expects something return like even a pixel, then this is not a donation. This is just simply a desire to fulfil or provide an excuse to charge zen.

The situation in Haiti has gone on for a fair amount of time and the players of PWI, got charitable out of the blue?

Donations doesn't really have to gain you anything, no badge or stickers to proof that you have fulfilled your responsibilities as a Human Being. I do not need a sticker or badge to tell people that I have donated.

As I have mentioned earlier, the willingness to help, comes right from your heart. Expecting a pixel or even more outrageous rewards has indicated different levels of greed itself.

If you are so willing to donate, do it through the real world. There are many options available.

It has already been established that most people on PW will not donate willingly and without reward. And I have already established, in both this thread and others that I do not ever charge zen. As I and several other people have said, there are those of us who have already donated money, supplies, etc. However, even if people donate by buying some token souvenir, even it if it just $1 that goes to the people in Haiti per person on PW, imagine how much money that actually is.

There is no question of the morals behind this. Some people have already put donations in through other means, while others have not. The ones who don't plan to will however be the ones who will say "hey, I can donate and get stuff too? Okay, I can do that."

There is not yet one good reason why this shouldn't be implemented. So far, the only argument is that it is false philanthropy, and even that is not good enough. Denying Haiti a source of funds just because you don't agree with people donating through buying items is immoral itself. Like I said, to deny this just because you feel false philanthropy is wrong is similar to denying the Haitians 20 homes just because you don't want people donating with rewards for it. They shouldn't do it because of the pixel reward, but they will. That is what matters, that they will donate this way and not in other ways.

Right now, I am praying for either people to just not say anything against this unless they can actually provide a logical reason.

omgar

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

To put it bluntly, you will never know how much people have donated through Perfect World.

The reason being that any figures can be falsified.

The people who are rallying for this donation idea, to be frank, is to satisfy their desire to charge zen and get something back in return eg. fame, or goodies.

Their intention has been made known through various suggestions and the one on a t-shirt giving 1.5 times exp is really a bit overboard.


If one is so inclined to donate, they would have done so through various options available in US. A simple call to your telco / SMS will allow you to donate whatever amount you wish to.

What people have not realised is that the willingness to help stems right from the heart. If one expects something return like even a pixel, then this is not a donation. This is just simply a desire to fulfil or provide an excuse to charge zen.

The situation in Haiti has gone on for a fair amount of time and the players of PWI, got charitable out of the blue?

Donations doesn't really have to gain you anything, no badge or stickers to proof that you have fulfilled your responsibilities as a Human Being. I do not need a sticker or badge to tell people that I have donated.

As I have mentioned earlier, the willingness to help, comes right from your heart. Expecting a pixel or even more outrageous rewards has indicated different levels of greed itself.

If you are so willing to donate, do it through the real world. There are many options available.

THIS!

10char

Murloc/ - Heavens Tear96

Well, I read through all 5 pages, and have yet to find anything that quite matches up to what I'm thinking, so I'll step out on a limb and be the insensitive **** that's going to get flamed into the ground.

4 points I have to make, then I won't return to this thread unless something intelligent peaks my interest.

1 - This is PWI, people come here to relax and get away from daily life and ****. The whole thing going on in Haiti is dramatic real life stuff that shouldn't be mixed into the game.

2 - The entire earthquake thing has happened before in Japan and China. We watched it on the news, no massive effort was put out for it, the world kept spinning, and guess what? Everything is fine. So why are we throwing so much wood onto the drama fire over Haiti?

3 - Donations to PWI for Zen with the hopes at some of it would finally reach the people who need it, is somewhere on the lower end of slim to none. PWI isn't a multi-billion dollar company that can afford toss it's money at the world's problems as a way of buying a good reputation.

4 - Many others made the point for me, but I'll say it anyway; If you want to donate something to help out in Haiti, just do it directly. Don't be greedy and piggyback off of a corporate karma scheme.

~Mrglmrgl

Giodia - Heavens Tear

Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »

It has already been established that most people on PW will not donate willingly and without reward. And I have already established, in both this thread and others that I do not ever charge zen. As I and several other people have said, there are those of us who have already donated money, supplies, etc. However, even if people donate by buying some token souvenir, even it if it just $1 that goes to the people in Haiti per person on PW, imagine how much money that actually is.

There is no question of the morals behind this. Some people have already put donations in through other means, while others have not. The ones who don't plan to will however be the ones who will say "hey, I can donate and get stuff too? Okay, I can do that."

There is not yet one good reason why this shouldn't be implemented. So far, the only argument is that it is false philanthropy, and even that is not good enough. Denying Haiti a source of funds just because you don't agree with people donating through buying items is immoral itself. Like I said, to deny this just because you feel false philanthropy is wrong is similar to denying the Haitians 20 homes just because you don't want people donating with rewards for it. They shouldn't do it because of the pixel reward, but they will. That is what matters, that they will donate this way and not in other ways.

Right now, I am praying for either people to just not say anything against this unless they can actually provide a logical reason.

I think you have agreed to my point that people who donates because of rewards that they can get, are in fact donating out of greed.

I wouldn't even call it a donation as it's just like any buy/sell transactions that is happening everyday in PWI.

The problem with Haiti, is not just homes. The immediate needs are food, water to prevent further dissent from spreading. What are homes without enough rations to go around?

To add further, how would you know that the funds are actually going to the Haitians directly and not into someone's pocket? Charities that line their own pockets are unheard of. Corrupted officials are always there.

If someone wants to donate, do it vie Red Cross instead.

False philanthropy or not, I will leave it to the readers to decide.

Aclucius - Lost City

Murloc/ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well, I read through all 5 pages, and have yet to find anything that quite matches up to what I'm thinking, so I'll step out on a limb and be the insensitive **** that's going to get flamed into the ground.

4 points I have to make, then I won't return to this thread unless something intelligent peaks my interest.

1 - This is PWI, people come here to relax and get away from daily life and ****. The whole thing going on in Haiti is dramatic real life stuff that shouldn't be mixed into the game.

2 - The entire earthquake thing has happened before in Japan and China. We watched it on the news, no massive effort was put out for it, the world kept spinning, and guess what? Everything is fine. So why are we throwing so much wood onto the drama fire over Haiti?

3 - Donations to PWI for Zen with the hopes at some of it would finally reach the people who need it, is somewhere on the lower end of slim to none. PWI isn't a multi-billion dollar company that can afford toss it's money at the world's problems as a way of buying a good reputation.

4 - Many others made the point for me, but I'll say it anyway; If you want to donate something to help out in Haiti, just do it directly. Don't be greedy and piggyback off of a corporate karma scheme.

~Mrglmrgl

Halo for Haiti (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10436596-17.html) This answers 1. Halo is also a game, yet they mixed donations with it and it worked out great, with them meeting their quota.

For 2, Japan and China are extremely rich countries. Haiti is not. Would you care more about the millionaire whose corvette was stolen, or the single parent raising two children on two minimum-wage full-time jobs.

For 3, it doesn't need to be extremely rich to do this. All it needs to do is create either a specific item and sell it, which it will still make profits from, or give a percentage of all zen charges. Either way, they do not need to be rich, they just need a single update and the will to do it.

And as for 4, I have already stated this, yet I'll state it again since you apparently didn't read it. There are people who won't donate at all. They won't call up Red Cross and say they want to donate. They will want something in return, and this is just one way of doing that. When people hold raffles for these types of donations, they do it by offering a prize. There is nothing wrong with this, and it can only help the Haitians.

None of your points give any logical reason why this shouldn't be done. I'm sure, were you in their position and they in yours, you would want them to help you out too, even if that meant them charging for money on a game, of which only part of would reach you.

I really don't mean to sound like I'm flaming anyone with this statement, as I do not intend to. Is there a complete lack of intelligence now? I don't mind if people can't come up with good reasons not to do this, but if you can't then why bother? You either force people to respond just to point this out for anyone else who reads it (namely anyone working for PWE), or you let it go so that it looks like there aren't any good reasons to do this.

Edit:
To Giodia:

Yes, it is a donation out of greed. Do you really think the Haitians would care?

Yes, there are more important things than housing right now. However, it was an example. To better fit your point. Not doing this could be the difference between 200 orphans starving and 20,000 orphans starving (of course, probably not with those numbers).

And you are right, there is corruption everywhere. However, the benefit of PWE actually donating that money is in the PR. If they donate, they look good and get some free advertisement because of it. Advertisement leads to new members. New members leads to more money. I'm pretty sure PWE could only benefit by actually donating money.

People who want to donate will, but what about those who won't donate out of good will? By doing this, you get those people, and it can only help. If I am truly missing something on why it is bad for them to get donations this way, please tell me. I don't see how it can harm the Haitians at all or how it can't help them.

Euphy - Dreamweaver

While it seems like a neat idea (lots of companies pledge to donate to charities to increase sales and profits) I would really urge people to donate no matter what PWE decides to do. Could you give up on some charms or dragon orbs for a month? The money that helps you "survive" in virtual combat could help someone survive for real. Yes you get nothing back, but we're still human right? We can do that sometimes.

Giodia - Heavens Tear

Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »

Edit:
To Giodia:

Yes, it is a donation out of greed. Do you really think the Haitians would care?

Yes, there are more important things than housing right now. However, it was an example. To better fit your point. Not doing this could be the difference between 200 orphans starving and 20,000 orphans starving (of course, probably not with those numbers).

And you are right, there is corruption everywhere. However, the benefit of PWE actually donating that money is in the PR. If they donate, they look good and get some free advertisement because of it. Advertisement leads to new members. New members leads to more money. I'm pretty sure PWE could only benefit by actually donating money.

People who want to donate will, but what about those who won't donate out of good will? By doing this, you get those people, and it can only help. If I am truly missing something on why it is bad for them to get donations this way, please tell me. I don't see how it can harm the Haitians at all or how it can't help them.

I find your statements disturbing, if your true intention is to get people to donate to the cause, shouldn't the money (the full amount) reached the persons in need?

You seemed to be in a contradiction. Or if not, you are actually trying to make PWE looks good on PR side, but are not clearly bothered if the funds do actually reach them with so much corruption taking place.

To quote housing as an example, you have clearly ignored the more basic needs of the Haitians there. Or am I correct to presume you cannot be bothered?

I think to rally for a cause, you need to push forth reasons that are satisfy the majority on why they should dole out their cash.

In this case, if people are not willing to donate, then these are the people who are unwilling to help. As I have mentioned earlier, if they are not willing to donate, enticing them with rewards is clearly the wrong way to go.

Because the very human trait that is clearly lacking in these people: Compassion and baiting them with rewards simply reinforce their thinking further.

Giodia - Heavens Tear

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

While it seems like a neat idea (lots of companies pledge to donate to charities to increase sales and profits) I would really urge people to donate no matter what PWE decides to do. Could you give up on some charms or dragon orbs for a month? The money that helps you "survive" in virtual combat could help someone survive for real. Yes you get nothing back, but we're still human right? We can do that sometimes.

This is an example of unselfishness. We humans have survived thus far, because we have the ability to destroy, but also a greater ability to love and sacrifice ourselves for someone else (especially for younger generation).

You may call it the Law of nature or whatever. But in times of need, we are able to do the correct thing in the midst of tears and heartbreak.

StormHydra - Sanctuary

RaDeSK - Sanctuary wrote: »

hum, I think that if you care that much you should donate to red cross, since I can't check if my money will get there, so much corruption in my country...

This. If you want to help, why dont you just donate? WTF?
Why does an american gaming company have to do something different to make you donate?

Pressa - Heavens Tear

Like it continues to be said its a bad idea. People who buy zen now will continue to buy zen and only 1 person has stated they will actually buy zen if they do this. Or are you trying to apply the 1 person speaks for hundreds?

And with the Japan and Chinese thing are you saying that just because they live in a country that is more inclined towards less poverty that they are any less worth pity? Thats sure what it seems like to me. Lots of people die the best way is to donate to regular charities. If thats truly what sets your mind at ease. Not good enough? Go help them yourself they are always up for more volunteers. With all the unemployment one should focus on the log in your eye then the speck in someone else's.


You must understand Bungie has globs of cash they have tons to spare and if they don't their fans do. For one instance check how many hundreds of thousands are online in halo and yet pwe had difficulty getting 50k people.

Its not that its not a good idea its that is won't work PR stunts don't always turn out how they are intended. Your hearts in a good place but its simply not feasible. It will not increase the sale anymore its not being greedy not everyone has the cash to donate.

Aclucius - Lost City

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I find your statements disturbing, if your true intention is to get people to donate to the cause, shouldn't the money (the full amount) reached the persons in need?

You seemed to be in a contradiction. Or if not, you are actually trying to make PWE looks good on PR side, but are not clearly bothered if the funds do actually reach them with so much corruption taking place.

To quote housing as an example, you have clearly ignored the more basic needs of the Haitians there. Or am I correct to presume you cannot be bothered?

I think to rally for a cause, you need to push forth reasons that are satisfy the majority on why they should dole out their cash.

In this case, if people are not willing to donate, then these are the people who are unwilling to help. As I have mentioned earlier, if they are not willing to donate, enticing them with rewards is clearly the wrong way to go.

Because the very human trait that is clearly lacking in these people: Compassion and baiting them with rewards simply reinforce their thinking further.

I do believe the full amount should go to them. However, it is only practical to realize that PWE is a business, not a charity as someone already stated. It will not put out all of the money it gets to it. Unfortunate, but it is true, and to not realize that is to be ignorant. People will be people. Some will think "I can just skim some of this and no one will realize." The point is though that something will reach the Haitians, and that is something which is much better than nothing reaching them at all. It is not an all or nothing matter, you must be willing to settle in the middle, or else you will have nothing.

I used the housing, again, as an example. I am not saying any and all donations should go directly to housing, I was using it merely as an example that, like I said, you can either provide 20 houses or none. 20 is obviously better than none. I then changed that example to better fit your needs, by saying you can feed 200 starving orphans or feed 20,000. You are either misunderstanding me, or you are looking for something that is not there.

However, you say that enticing someone to donate is wrong. It could be argued that just donating is as bad, as you are rewarding yourself with a feeling of doing something good. We can go back and forth with a debate of semantics and differences in moral beliefs for years. However, at the core of such discussion is the fact that either way, we want money to reach those who need it.

Your way (not using the cash shop for donations) provides less money, and is just as immoral as those people who would steal some of that donation money. By not wanting or allowing a donation in this way, you are essentially backing the side which does not want to provide money to the Haitian people. Only in a Utopia would we ever find everyone donating money directly. This is not, and never will be, such a perfect place. Therefore, you must do the best you can with the tools you have.

As I have said several times now, I have yet to see a single good, logical reason to not do this.

rikako

theres worse places than haiti so just cuz media makes up stuff doesnt mean others dont need **** as well

btw might as well spend to me, ill send it to haiti / my wallet.

Nastassiya - Sanctuary

StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »

This. If you want to help, why dont you just donate? WTF?
Why does an american gaming company have to do something different to make you donate?

PERFECT WORLD ENTERTAINMENT, INC. IS NOT AMERICAN!

LINK - "A subsidiary of Perfect World Beijing, Perfect World Entertainment is a leader in publishing and operating massively multiplayer online games. Founded in 2008 and headquartered in Redwood City, Calif., Perfect World Entertainment is bringing the pinnacle of online gaming to North American and international audiences."

SEC FILE - Read this!


Oh... define subsidiary?

There! I provided you ALL the information. The building that the employees of Perfect World Entertainment work in may be leased/owned by a CHINESE company! Guess what... CHINA isn't the United States of America... yet!

PS... hell... maybe it's a Cayman company...

Aclucius - Lost City

Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Like it continues to be said its a bad idea. People who buy zen now will continue to buy zen and only 1 person has stated they will actually buy zen if they do this. Or are you trying to apply the 1 person speaks for hundreds?

And with the Japan and Chinese thing are you saying that just because they live in a country that is more inclined towards less poverty that they are any less worth pity? Thats sure what it seems like to me. Lots of people die the best way is to donate to regular charities. If thats truly what sets your mind at ease. Not good enough? Go help them yourself they are always up for more volunteers. With all the unemployment one should focus on the log in your eye then the speck in someone else's.


You must understand Bungie has globs of cash they have tons to spare and if they don't their fans do. For one instance check how many hundreds of thousands are online in halo and yet pwe had difficulty getting 50k people.

Its not that its not a good idea its that is won't work PR stunts don't always turn out how they are intended. Your hearts in a good place but its simply not feasible. It will not increase the sale anymore its not being greedy not everyone has the cash to donate.

You are right that people haven't said they would charge more zen. However, I am quite certain that not even 1% of the entire PW community, both forum members and non, have even read this thread, and even less have put their input in it. However, you made a point that helps mine. People who buy zen will still buy it. They won't stop because of the donations, and if anything they will buy more.

And I am not saying Japan and China are not worthy of any sympathy. I am stating though that when it comes down to it, the reason no charities were set up specifically for them is because they could handle it easily enough. Again, are you going to care more about the millionaire who lost his corvette or the single parent raising two kids on minimum-wage jobs? It comes down to that the millionaire lost something, but he can quite easily get it back. The single parent though will have to struggle if anything happens to put he/she in a fiscal problem.

Bungie is rich. However, that is why they did what they did. I am not asking PWE to donate $100 for every 1,000 people online at a specified time. I am saying having a small amount of money for every zen charged to be donated, or to have a special item of very small value to have part of it donated, as Aadi said. It is perfectly reasonable as I'm not expecting a donation in the hundreds of thousands, or even tens of thousands.

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rikako

Bungie isn't rich, Microsoft is. Halo rights belong to M$ not bungie.

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rikako wrote: »

Bungie isn't rich, Microsoft is. Halo rights belong to M$ not bungie.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10436596-17.html

Read the article there. It clearly states it is Bungie giving the donation.