Sale for Haiti ?
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Oh god this has "lock me" written all over it now!0
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Skimmed through posts on the first two pages, too lazy to read the rest.
This is a good idea not only because it would contribute at least SOME funds to the efforts in Haiti, but it'd be great for PWE's PR purposes as well. Consider: one of the bigger downsides about PWE's image (in terms of PWI players' opinion at least) seems to be that PWE has seemed to be more and more focused on stuffing $$$ into its pockets, which is a reflection of the constant cash sales and neverending reintroduction of "gambling" items in the boutique (i.e. the packs, whether they be anni packs or lucky corals, etc.). Now I'm not accusing the company of doing this, but that's the general opinion, or so it seems.
What better way to refute that negative image than by showing that PWE as a company DOES have a heart? It would be doing something good for those trying to save lives in Haiti by contributing money (which is, sadly, necessary for a successful mission), but it'd be doing the company itself some good by being a form of positive, image-boosting advertising. Some people who would not otherwise charge would probably charge just because they know that, even though they're getting stuff THEY want, part of their money will be going towards a good cause.
I, for one, had sworn not to charge ever again but I'd very likely do it if there was some sort of sale for Haiti, just to show support. b:surrender
To the people saying it's sick that people would charge if there was a sale for Haiti rather than just donating directly through a charitable organization:
There are issues tied with that; once you donate once to an organization, they'll very likely spam you with requests for donations for a bajillion other things. Yes, it's for a good cause, but spam gets annoying =\ I've done things like AIDs walk, Diabetes walk, and Relay for Life, and I still get spam from them telling me to join this or that even though I don't have the time to do them now.
tl;dr -- It's a good idea, and will benefit the company itself as well in a form of positive advertising. They could very likely gain more out of this than they lose.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Good...now lets let this thread die in peace..0
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Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »http://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10436596-17.html
Read the article there. It clearly states it is Bungie giving the donation.
Yup it does, however bungie isnt rich thus they can't spend the ammount other companies spend.0 -
You guys like pie? pie is good..lets send the Haitions(dont know how 2 spellz it) some pie.. make they tummies feel good.0
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Yup it does, however bungie isnt rich thus they can't spend the ammount other companies spend.
Exactly, but they still can donate, which is my point with PWE. PWE is not rich, and I'd bet not even close with Bungie. However, they can still put something forward.
Off Topic: Raybeez, your posts have obviously failed for what their intention is, unless you are trolling. In any case, I'll just ask in a polite manner to either add something to the discussion or to not post as it only makes this thread look bad. I know you probably won't listen, but I just have to ask anyways.0 -
Ya sending some money to Haiti wuld be good.. but then that means less money for PWE.0
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Sigh I am confused where this is going you continue to state the same thing that PW should donate. You are pushing a issue that will be ignored even if they can this pay feeds the families of pwe employees which is just as important. The news of course blows things out of proportion it is of course big and important but so are other things. For you to say people who don't donate are immoral or to even imply such a thing is simply low. Of which you have you are also very clearly stating that because someone has slightly more cash then the people who are suffering they should receive less pity then those in the situation. You frequently forget that those who can donate on a regular basis have already done so all of this is just to make those of whom can't truly afford it feel guilty and pay a price. Thats downright extortion would you in that situation want extorted money? Sure they wouldn't know its extorted but that doesn't make it right.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I don't think that ALL of the people who haven't donated yet can't afford to. It may be true for some of them but either way, I don't see it as guilt tripping people or extortion. It's more of an incentive, in my opinion at least. How many people who regularly charge on PWI have donated so far? You can't say that people who regularly charge on this game can't afford to donate. If anything, knowing that a percentage of the money they spend is going towards a good cause should be akin to some sort of a bonus. Hey, they still get what they want, PLUS their money is going towards saving lives! What's bad about that?
Those who object and do not want to donate to Haiti for any reason whatsoever are not pressured to do so. They can skip out on the sale period if they want. It's not like someone's got you in a strangle hold, saying DONATE TO HAITI OR DIE! .. or anything remotely close to that.
And PWE as a company, considering their expansion into other games, is probably making enough of a profit that the employees' families would not be losing out at all if PWE does decide to go with a sale for Haiti. Sure, they may be sacrificing a bit of their profit for a short while, but what they get back in terms of free positive advertising (hey look, a gaming company that cares about the world, too! Not just some greedy cash-monger .. maybe we should check it out and support it!) is priceless.
Then again, maybe I'm just hopelessly appealing to the compassionate side of humanity at large and trying to create a nonexistent balance between selfishness (concerning satisfying your own desires) and selflessness (concerning giving towards a greater good).[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »Sigh I am confused where this is going you continue to state the same thing that PW should donate. You are pushing a issue that will be ignored even if they can this pay feeds the families of pwe employees which is just as important. The news of course blows things out of proportion it is of course big and important but so are other things. For you to say people who don't donate are immoral or to even imply such a thing is simply low. Of which you have you are also very clearly stating that because someone has slightly more cash then the people who are suffering they should receive less pity then those in the situation. You frequently forget that those who can donate on a regular basis have already done so all of this is just to make those of whom can't truly afford it feel guilty and pay a price. Thats downright extortion would you in that situation want extorted money? Sure they wouldn't know its extorted but that doesn't make it right.
Edit:Just noticed it may have been in reply to Ephemerai, so if it is, please let me know and I'll modify as needed.
This time, when you read this, pay close attention and read it carefully. Then, if anything at all sounds odd, let me know. So far, your posts have simply been twisting my words into something they are not, making them sound full of malice. I have no intended malice behind what I am saying, so if anything at all sounds like it, let me know so I can clarify it.
You have misunderstood me obviously, and perhaps that was my fault for not being clearer.
I state the same things over and over because everyone gives me the same replies over and over. As I said, not one person has given a good reason not to do this. None of us knows the fiscal situation of any employee of PWE, so arguing that all their profits must go towards feeding the families of those employees makes it seem like you know for a fact that they are barely making it by as a company in terms of profit.
I never said people who don't donate are immoral. I said, "your way (not using the cash shop for donations) provides less money, and is just as immoral as those people who would steal some of that donation money." I meant by this not that by not donating you are a bad person, but if you are saying PWE should not donate, that is immoral as that is more money, as little as it may be, that can go to Haiti. If a person cannot or chooses not to donate, that is not a problem, it is a personal choice or just something out of a person's fiscal ability. Saying though that they should not receive a little more money because you do not agree with the reasons people donated that money is immoral.
I also said that I do not think a wealthier person should be given less sympathy. I said that the person who is in a worse position will be noticed more and will be given more sympathy, knowingly or not, by others.
I am not trying to make anyone feel guilty. I do not expect any one person to donate anything at all, it is their choice.
As far as this "extortion" goes, I ask that you clarify your meaning. The way I am reading it is that you are saying PWE would be the extorting faction. Irregardless, I ask that you give me the specifics of what appears to be a hypothetical you are implying.
As I have said, and am saying again, there is yet to be a single good reason why they should not donate. You are saying that people should donate of their own free will, but it is ignorant to think everyone will.0 -
Ephemerai - Sanctuary wrote: »I don't think that ALL of the people who haven't donated yet can't afford to. It may be true for some of them but either way, I don't see it as guilt tripping people or extortion. It's more of an incentive, in my opinion at least. How many people who regularly charge on PWI have donated so far? You can't say that people who regularly charge on this game can't afford to donate. If anything, knowing that a percentage of the money they spend is going towards a good cause should be akin to some sort of a bonus. Hey, they still get what they want, PLUS their money is going towards saving lives! What's bad about that?
Those who object and do not want to donate to Haiti for any reason whatsoever are not pressured to do so. They can skip out on the sale period if they want. It's not like someone's got you in a strangle hold, saying DONATE TO HAITI OR DIE! .. or anything remotely close to that.
And PWE as a company, considering their expansion into other games, is probably making enough of a profit that the employees' families would not be losing out at all if PWE does decide to go with a sale for Haiti. Sure, they may be sacrificing a bit of their profit for a short while, but what they get back in terms of free positive advertising (hey look, a gaming company that cares about the world, too! Not just some greedy cash-monger .. maybe we should check it out and support it!) is priceless.
Then again, maybe I'm just hopelessly appealing to the compassionate side of humanity at large and trying to create a nonexistent balance between selfishness (concerning satisfying your own desires) and selflessness (concerning giving towards a greater good).
What I have wanted to bring out is: Sales of cash items is ok. But not adding any special attributes to a t-shirt that gives you 1.5X exp.
Let pwi decide what should they sell in this Haiti sales (if it does happens).
Normal sales of present items in the cash shop is good enough, but not to the extent of baiting greedy people into buying/ Donating a t-shirt that gives 1.5X of exp. This no doubt will increase sales, but to players, it's merely a transaction that gives them 1.5X exp.0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »What I have wanted to bring out is: Sales of cash items is ok. But not adding any special attributes to a t-shirt that gives you 1.5X exp.
Let pwi decide what should they sell in this Haiti sales (if it does happens).
Normal sales of present items in the cash shop is good enough, but not to the extent of baiting greedy people into buying/ Donating a t-shirt that gives 1.5X of exp. This no doubt will increase sales, but to players, it's merely a transaction that gives them 1.5X exp.
I have to agree with this. I must have missed the post saying to add 1.5x exp, but it is a horrible idea. If it's a special item, it must be purely for the purpose of donating.0 -
outstanding idea! with perhaps at least 50% going to a charity that is proven to actually put 40% of what we donate into the hands of the hungry and homeless.
fat chance this will happne...Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »b:cute hi guys i just thought PWI should have a special sale for people of Haiti, i know PWI got their bottom line too, so i'm not asking them to donate 100% but maybe 10 or 20 % of the profit from the sale can go into red cross for people of Haiti.
b:thanks wat do u guys think, i would charge $50 b:chuckle hope u guys support me if this goes ahead[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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While I agree that donating is a good thing to do it is extortion the way it is being put.
Linked from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/extortion
http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/extorting
The way this is being put is exactly extortion and even though you didn't think your comments to be full of malice they quite come off as such. A higher then thou attitude.
How then do you know what the people do for instance they could be helping in some other way yet more guilt trips in their choice of entertainment.
Have they not a right to enjoy themselves can they not spend their cash how they chose without worry about persecution from people? The greater good is relative anything can be considered the greater good.
You are being very clear but its not good if its onesided it becomes stale and noone learns anything. Something I think you should do because you are quite insistent. There will be no answer suitable for you to say this is a bad idea without someone saying that the money will hurt hati.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »While I agree that donating is a good thing to do it is extortion the way it is being put.
my entire post was cut off
I'm confused on what you mean exactly by extortion. Could you please elaborate on what this would entail, such as a hypothetical situation?0 -
Aadi - Lost City wrote: »I was talking to someone about this, and to satisfy all the people that are upset about the idea, how about something like this:
A new Cash Shop item is introduced for a limited time, say, a shirt that says "Haiti" or something simple like that. Half of the money used to buy this particular item is donated to a Haitian relief fund, and half goes to PW. The item would be affordable, maybe 2 gold. This would make the players happy by being an item they can buy to help Haiti (plus a nice little souvenir), PW would get more money and good PR from it, and the Haitians would get more help. Everyone wins.
Won't happen just for this.
To all the rest the UN is in charge if the Haitian relief efforts so leave it up to them.You or your parents tax dollars are helping out as well.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »Edit:Just noticed it may have been in reply to Ephemerai, so if it is, please let me know and I'll modify as needed.
This time, when you read this, pay close attention and read it carefully. Then, if anything at all sounds odd, let me know. So far, your posts have simply been twisting my words into something they are not, making them sound full of malice. I have no intended malice behind what I am saying, so if anything at all sounds like it, let me know so I can clarify it.
You have misunderstood me obviously, and perhaps that was my fault for not being clearer.
I state the same things over and over because everyone gives me the same replies over and over. As I said, not one person has given a good reason not to do this. None of us knows the fiscal situation of any employee of PWE, so arguing that all their profits must go towards feeding the families of those employees makes it seem like you know for a fact that they are barely making it by as a company in terms of profit.
I never said people who don't donate are immoral. I said, "your way (not using the cash shop for donations) provides less money, and is just as immoral as those people who would steal some of that donation money." I meant by this not that by not donating you are a bad person, but if you are saying PWE should not donate, that is immoral as that is more money, as little as it may be, that can go to Haiti. If a person cannot or chooses not to donate, that is not a problem, it is a personal choice or just something out of a person's fiscal ability. Saying though that they should not receive a little more money because you do not agree with the reasons people donated that money is immoral.
We have been bringing out points that if PWE should donate, it should be done without disturbance to the delicate situation in the game.
Imagine players who 'donates' to the cash shop and gets 1.5X exp per hour t-shirt that last for XX number of days. This is indirectly baiting for donations and does it teaches the lesson of compassion?Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »I also said that I do not think a wealthier person should be given less sympathy. I said that the person who is in a worse position will be noticed more and will be given more sympathy, knowingly or not, by others.
I am not trying to make anyone feel guilty. I do not expect any one person to donate anything at all, it is their choice.
As far as this "extortion" goes, I ask that you clarify your meaning. The way I am reading it is that you are saying PWE would be the extorting faction. Irregardless, I ask that you give me the specifics of what appears to be a hypothetical you are implying.
As I have said, and am saying again, there is yet to be a single good reason why they should not donate. You are saying that people should donate of their own free will, but it is ignorant to think everyone will.
If people do not donate out of their own free will, then it's equivalent to another transaction.0 -
please look at the post newly put up apparently some of the links broke my post so when i went to post thats mostly all that was left.
And I very much agree with Giodia yes misguided donations are bad but its easy to make a 10 dollar donation by simply texting the red cross. Without involving the game.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »We have been bringing out points that if PWE should donate, it should be done without disturbance to the delicate situation in the game.
Imagine players who 'donates' to the cash shop and gets 1.5X exp per hour t-shirt that last for XX number of days. This is indirectly baiting for donations and does it teaches the lesson of compassion?
If people do not donate out of their own free will, then it's equivalent to another transaction.
I have not said I want 1.5x exp t-shirt. I think, if it is it's own separate item, that it should just be a shirt, and that is it. Nothing special, no coloring or using dyes on it, just a plain shirt.
Some of it may be, like you said, "equivalent to another transaction," but it is still a little bit more money. Bungie didn't just donate something, they told their players to play the game. Different situations, but similar in that players are not actually donating directly, just doing something to cause a donation.0 -
Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »I have not said I want 1.5x exp t-shirt. I think, if it is it's own separate item, that it should just be a shirt, and that is it. Nothing special, no coloring or using dyes on it, just a plain shirt.
Some of it may be, like you said, "equivalent to another transaction," but it is still a little bit more money. Bungie didn't just donate something, they told their players to play the game. Different situations, but similar in that players are not actually donating directly, just doing something to cause a donation.
I believe it is better to teach a man to fish, then giving him fishes for the rest of his life.
If you are donating to a cause, it should be done correctly, or am I just someone full of morals and principle?0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »I believe it is better to teach a man to fish, then giving him fishes for the rest of his life.
If you are donating to a cause, it should be done correctly, or am I just someone full of morals and principle?
what morals and principles?
yeah, that fish story is a nice platitude, but inapplicable, teaching someone to fish, when their entire city has been destroyed, the infrastructure annihilated, and their family crushed by crumbling buildings is um, what?
The opposition voiced in this thread to the idea of asking the company we spend so much time with making a donation if possible to a country in desperate need of immediate help is sickening. What possible reason could you have for not supporting PWI making a charitable donation to haiti or to making some kind of sale to support such a donation. Because you dont want to hear about it?
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Basically it comes down to people who don't want to donate to Haiti end up having to do so indirectly regardless.
You want your pixels? Buy zen.
You want to throw money into a trashcan and set it on fire? Donate to Haiti.0 -
SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »what morals and principles?
yeah, that fish story is a nice platitude, but inapplicable, teaching someone to fish, when their entire city has been destroyed, the infrastructure annihilated, and their family crushed by crumbling buildings is um, what?
The opposition voiced in this thread to the idea of asking the company we spend so much time with making a donation if possible to a country in desperate need of immediate help is sickening. What possible reason could you have for not supporting PWI making a charitable donation to haiti or to making some kind of sale to support such a donation. Because you dont want to hear about it?
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
The thing about donation should be from the heart and definitely not of material gains.
If PWE is donating, tell the players that what we spend in XX amount of days and XX% will be donated to Haiti. Encouraged players to donate this way with PRESENT cash shop items.
China has offered aids to Haiti and all comes down to the taxes that the company and it's citizens has payed to the government. In one way or another, people have donated.
Some went an extra mile to donate more, while some felt that they have done enough.
If PWE donates, fine. If they do not donate, it's entirely their choice. You do not have the authority to shame anyone singing a different tune.0 -
I think if you want to donate to Haiti, go through the Red Cross or Save the Children. This is an MMO, if they do it for Haiti, what is to stop other players bickering about another cause they should donate to? I'm not saying its bad, but there are more sites that deal with charity, where 100% of the proceeds go to Haiti or some other disaster.
If you can pick up a credit card or log in your Paypal account, heck even the phone option to charge zen, you can certainly go to Red Cross or any other organization and donate there using the same methods(there's even one place you can send a text to).
Nice idea, but there are better ways of doing it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
eatswithspoons "*roll eyes* real money for virtual property? That's definitely not allowed"
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Lixra - Harshlands wrote: »
You want to throw money into a trashcan and set it on fire? Donate to Haiti.
Helping your fellow man in a time of need is about as far away from setting your money on fire as is humanly possible.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Coraline - Lost City wrote: »I think if you want to donate to Haiti, go through the Red Cross or Save the Children. This is an MMO, if they do it for Haiti, what is to stop other players bickering about another cause they should donate to? I'm not saying its bad, but there are more sites that deal with charity, where 100% of the proceeds go to Haiti or some other disaster.
If you can pick up a credit card or log in your Paypal account, heck even the phone option to charge zen, you can certainly go to Red Cross or any other organization and donate there using the same methods(there's even one place you can send a text to).
Nice idea, but there are better ways of doing it.
All of us have already agreed it would be better if everyone would donate their own money. The problem here is that very few people will. Using the cash shop makes it so that more money can go than just a hundred or so individuals sending their own money. There are always better ideas, but those ideas require everyone to do that. This is something that is an innate part of the game, something which works with the game so that more money can be sent.0 -
Now, I'm an idealist, but expecting EVERYONE to do that is entirely way too idealistic. It goes against the dark side of human nature -- people (in general) tend to be more selfish than not. You can't expect the good people in the world to carry the burden for the rest of mankind; there has to be a compromise of sorts, some way to, like it or not, rope the rest of humanity into taking care of their brethren.Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »The thing about donation should be from the heart and definitely not of material gains.
I sound like a preacher, lmao.. but that's the way it is. It looks nice on paper to say that donation should be from your heart, but how many REAL examples of pure donation sans gifts and rewards (or at least "souvenirs") are there? Even things like Walk for Hope, Diabetes Walk, CHOC Walk (for Children's Hospital) have some sort of raffle/contest for most donations = prize.
In times like these, idealism can't help the situation. You have to find a way to make things work -- it may not be the best, but it's the lesser of two evils (getting donations through a sale = more money for Haiti, no matter how much more versus sticking to idealism and getting much less money).
How many people out there, who haven't done so already, will actually do this as a result of reading your post (or similar posts in this thread)?Coraline - Lost City wrote: »If you can pick up a credit card or log in your Paypal account, heck even the phone option to charge zen, you can certainly go to Red Cross or any other organization and donate there using the same methods(there's even one place you can send a text to).
Nice idea, but there are better ways of doing it.
It's a good idea, and yes it's better to donate through those organizations, but the point here is that if PWE does a sale of some sorts (if they make a harmless commemorative t-shirt, great! If not, just take a percentage of proceeds from normal boutique sales for a given period of time), it'd get even MORE money together for Haiti. What's better/more practical than that?
This, exactly. And to the poster who insists it's extortion, again, it's not. No one is being FORCED to donate if PWE does take up this idea and use it. You'd be buying what you normally "need" or want ingame, but part of that money goes towards a good cause as well. Where's the extortion in that? Like I said, nobody is holding a gun to your head telling you to donate or else. It's not a guilt trip either, unless the community takes it upon itself to shame those who do not charge during the sale period. Unless PWE decides to advertise it as "save the starving, dying kids by buying something today!" -- there is NO basis for calling it extortion. It all depends on how the community approaches the subject and how the sale (if there was one) is announced to the public/player base.Aclucius - Lost City wrote: »All of us have already agreed it would be better if everyone would donate their own money. The problem here is that very few people will. Using the cash shop makes it so that more money can go than just a hundred or so individuals sending their own money. There are always better ideas, but those ideas require everyone to do that. This is something that is an innate part of the game, something which works with the game so that more money can be sent.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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JoeyPoey - Sanctuary wrote: »They don't care about worldly matters. That's why they don't integrate SS Marriage.
Same sex marriage cannot be compared to donating money. One is a controversy, one is a natural disaster.I was early taught to work as well as play,
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