Does -interval gear need to be balanced?

Quilue - Sanctuary

maocchi wrote: »

This amuses me. BMs never really excelled at anything until people realized fists can actually deal damage. Even then it was a rare breed so people didn't really care. Then when - interval gears started coming into the light and fist BMs took the spot as the highest damage dealers in the game, suddenly some people are raging over how broken BMs are. What, does BMs actually being able to do something impressive give you a headache?

lol i distinctly remembered a bm in bm forums proving that 5/s was indeed possible with a demon fist bm but no one listened - no one thought TT99 and additional -interval items in the form of tome and cape would come so fast did they? plus there were no genies at the time either.

i also remember Devoted spouting on about how -interval and normal attacks were so important to archers, and some people insisting that normal attacks don't matter...

in the end, it's cuz people are constantly insecure that they rolled a class for however many levels only to feel that another class just beats it. there should be a balance between rate of damage and intensity of damage, and some just don't see it with fists doing 5/s (perhaps forgetting about having range).

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Ponza - Lost City wrote: »

Do you guys think fists are too powerful when combined with -interval gears? BM's properly geared have the highest endgame dps, and there's really no competition for that. Even archers who have access to endgame fists and -interval gears will use FISTS not BOW to do dps in pve.

I have seen fist BM's kill barbs in tiger form in under 7-8 seconds. Granted it was under sage/hell spark, but that still just should not happen.

So do fists need a nerf?

big word.

Properly.

You need some money and brains to do this. This build isnt exactly an old well used build. It was there from the start and nobody just paid attention to it much. Just because pple start to discover what was already available doesnt mean its unbalanced.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

big word.

Properly.

You need a lot of money and brains to do this. This build isnt exactly an old well used build. It was there from the start and nobody just paid attention to it much. Just because pple start to discover what was already available doesnt mean its unbalanced.

Fixed for you. A fist BM needs a considerable amount of IRL money.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Fixed for you. A fist BM needs a considerable amount of IRL money.

some of my fac mates had this build already made before the anni pack days :S they werent hella cashshoppers tho. It was a build they focused on because they had no money to lvl up all the skills and other weapons BMs back then were expected to use. Way back... it used to be the poor mans build :x so they had to think of another way to be a useful DD

Filet - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Fixed for you. A fist BM needs a considerable amount of IRL money.

Yup to get 5 atk/s (sparked) you need
-Lunar Claws (60 mil) or Striking Dragon if you're super rich, decent refines+ shards add in another 40 mil
-2 piece TT99 Light 2 piece TT 99 Heavy (idk probably at least 100 mil if you're refining+ sharding well)
-Scroll of Tome (150 mil)
-Lunar Cape (50 mil)

So total that's 400 mil. Not including your other gears and skills. Kinda like how venos pay a ton of money to get great pets, bms can spend a ton of cash and get ridiculous dps.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yup to get 5 atk/s (sparked) you need
-Lunar Claws (60 mil) or Striking Dragon if you're super rich, decent refines+ shards add in another 40 mil
-2 piece TT99 Light 2 piece TT 99 Heavy (idk probably at least 100 mil if you're refining+ sharding well)
-Scroll of Tome (150 mil)
-Lunar Cape (50 mil)

So total that's 400 mil. Not including your other gears and skills. Kinda like how venos pay a ton of money to get great pets, bms can spend a ton of cash and get ridiculous dps.

ANYONE who spends 400M+ not including gears and skillers BETTER be good. At this point you dont even HAVE to be a BM to have a ridiculous anything. There is a point where balance doesnt matter and money starts speaking for any class. This is it.

Quilue - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

ANYONE who spends 400M+ not including gears and skillers BETTER be good. At this point you dont even HAVE to be a BM to have a ridiculous anything. There is a point where balance doesnt matter and money starts speaking for any class. This is it.

read through this one: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=532901

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary

Rofl. Have to laugh when I think of the long lists of "Fist BM's suck" and "Stop making Fist BM's suck threadz u whinerz" threads in the BM section. We used to get spammed with heated debate on it, usually a handful trying to convince everyone fists were awesome and the rest shooting them down.

Now everyone in the BM section is an expert on it and veteran 9x and 10x BM's will lecture you on the values and bonuses of the build as if they've been running it since the servers first opened. b:chuckle

I do believe a 10x barb proved that even fist barbs can actually do almost as devastating an amount of damage...so it's not just the BM's either :P

We got this "BM's are overpowered" junk too when Balance was first discovered too. Wizzies and Archers are free to one-shot and veno's can squish everything with a nix....but a BM performing well? Unthinkable

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

read through this one: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=532901

i looked and then saw the OPs name....

Asperitas - Lost City

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i looked and then saw the OPs name....

I think his money is trying to say something =P