"Professional" tamers...

Evga - Sanctuary

Marista - Lost City wrote: »

I must say, the sense of... entitlement I've noticed lately about rares is really starting to bother me. I will quite freely state that I tame rare pets for profit. Generally, I tend to do so by "fair" means--ie, I don't get BMs to stun the competition, PK them, etc, and I don't take objection to people coming who just want one to use. Indeed, I'll usually treat them civilly, and once in a while give away one to someone who really wants it.

That said, I have invested quite a bit of coin in my channeling gear in game, in my genie, I fit the spawns into my schedule, get up early after maint to camp for times, and generally put a lot of effort into the work, even though, to be honest, the actual taming is as much luck as gear and skill. I've beaten people with more channel and experience than me, including my own first times at the spawns, where I had no gear of any consequences and was just taming pets for my personal use. Sure, it would take a day or two, but I got even kowlin with a little persistence.

So, I really cannot understand the attitude of entitlement from people who fail, because the people who succeed more regularly have done so as a result of the skill and gear portion, but not even the best of us get them so much that someone who just wants one to use can't keep trying until their luck pays off. Maybe it's cultivated by the general ease that has been given to things via oracles, etc, I don't really know. If you want it that easy, go buy one. What I do know if that if you honestly think you can't catch one with enough effort, you haven't tried hard enough. I'm getting tired of being nice to such people, so if you're on lost city, I advise you to just try harder, because me and a lot of the other regulars are getting to the point of just KOSing people who QQ at us for what we do.

Remember, rare pets are in no way needed as part of the game. If you didn't read the wiki and/or forums, it is entirely possible you could go through the game without even realizing they exist, never mind missing the use of one. There are plenty of pets that don't take effort to get that can serve the same roles; rare pets are a luxury, not in any way a necessity to playing the game. You don't need one, so if you aren't willing to put the effort into taming one or the coin into buying one, just go without. It won't kill you, or even significantly detract from your experience.

cheers i like you already :P

turdbucket

glympse0710 wrote: »

Hi all

I just need an info:
cant we do anything to stop those tamers that tame all rare pets everyday?

I think this isn't fair. 'Cuz I just need to tame one pet for me, while they tame for sell them.

cant we do anything to stop the fail venos who think they have a right to one
the "pro" tamers have the same chance as u

but as a tip there are 2 bunny spawns by etherblade that respawn every hour
mabey u should go practice

DorkFish - Sanctuary

The first time I went after a Kowlin on my Veno, I missed it by a wide margin. The second time, same thing. I had my g/f (now wife) make me some apoth powder (Windrage Incense) on her cleric and tried a third time. That +50% channeling speed did the trick and I got my Kowlin. I had no channeling gear, just a powder. So even w/o +% channeling gear you can still manage a Rare pet if you are smart, and get lucky at the same time.

There is no excuse for all the QQ about it. Work to get what you want and keep trying. If you give up, then you truly have failed.

~Saitada

ChaoticTears - Harshlands

Marista - Lost City wrote: »

The fact that there are people so bitter they will not Share pets out of petty jealousy like this makes me very glad I'm on a PvP server and can kill them if they try. It honestly strikes me as a very childish reaction to being unwilling to let someone else have one

Fixed it for ya

Murloc/ - Heavens Tear91

I've done a lot of research as well on pet farming. I know all the spawn locations, I know the tricks, what gear to use, what pet to use for each spot even... and yet still, I don't feel like i've "earned" a damn thing. Why? Because it'a a game. I have every right to that kowlin as the noob that just randomly found it's spawn and wants to tame it. Nobody has a "right" to any rare pet, and that's all there is to it.

Oh, and I have killed pets before. If I ask a veno for a tip, advice, etc, etc, and they're rude to me, etc... ~poof~ dead mob. I let the reasons for my actions be known if any other veno's are there, and go on my merry way.

Stop the QQ about pets. It's a game.

StormHydra - Sanctuary

Because it'a a game. I have every right to that kowlin as the noob that just randomly found it's spawn and wants to tame it. Nobody has a "right" to any rare pet, and that's all there is to it.

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This. +over9000
Yeah, If there are rude venos I'll Barrage the "rare pet". And since barrage is such a flashy skill every single veno in the area will see it.

Q - Dreamweaver

ChaoticTears - Harshlands wrote: »

Ask them nicely if they will let you tame one for your own personal use ..... if they refuse ... kill it

this ^^

krelianmage

I also wish we had some rule to prevent 'professional' tamers, like those eggs being untradeable like nix/herc or something. then people would stop ' farming' them after they got theirs

Yeah, i also hate those tamers. in my server, sanctuary, there are some high lvl venos, in the faction that owns the map, that buy the 0 chanel pots (only available for the faction the owns certain lands) , and whenever a rare pet spawn, one of them is there... they dont rly need them, cause they are damn rich already (dont tell u are not, i can see by your gears, all refined and sharded with high lvl gems), they do it cause they are greedy, thats the only explanation.
I have a solution. set dragon breath a few minutes b4 pet spawn, and leave it there until it kills it.

I would not do it out of jealously, I would do it to prevent greedy and rich lvl 100 venos to get it. This or people just stop paying high prices for useless rare pets.

Or do u rly believe in that ' i give some pets for free for people who deserve them' story? That made laugh hard

Shelle - Lost City

I have gotten 2 rare pets on my lv 25 veno. Both where luck they ran right by me and i tamed them. 1st was the kitty, then later I see the bunny run by.b:pleased

Nudefoxy - Lost City

i did something bad, i killed a bunny please forgive me and wash that warm blood from my handsb:surrender

Marista - Lost City

If people want to pay for a luxury, who are you to say they can't? It's funny, you would think it would be a PvE server that would have people being civilized and considerate, yet you don't see people saying this kind of nonsense about killing them out of bitterness on PvP servers. I suppose it really is true that people are more civilized when they have to face the consequences of their actions and cannot simply be petty.

And no, nothing about my post needs fixing. If they want one they can work for it or buy it; despite all the work we put into gears, they still have an entirely decent chance.

Evga, good to see there're kindred spirits on other severs, though. ^^

Alyyy - Sanctuary

Graviora - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I am one of those people who if I happen to stumble across a rare pet... I kill it b:cute

this........

EDIT: i was on my veno and saw a buny buit kiled it xD

Ninnuam - Sanctuary

O hai dere lil wuzzy fuzzy shaodu cub. *squish*

Alyyy - Sanctuary

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

O hai dere lil wuzzy fuzzy shaodu cub. *squish*

o.o gz on 100

Dioica - Sanctuary

Professional tamers increase the number of rare pets people can have (because otherwise they would sometimes go untamed), and give casual players the opportunity to have rare pets which they would not otherwise have.

If I wanted a rare pet, I would probably buy one from a professional tamer.

(But you can check my level and my join date to get an idea of how enthusiastic I am, about that concept.)

_Pale - Sanctuary

I have only seen a rare pet spawn once (a frog), while a barb was killing it.
Other then that, I looked but never saw a rare pet in the wild.

You don't really need them, and if it's so hard to get one, just forget about it and move on.

You could just decide not to buy them, that would end it. However, in PWI that will never be a real option, because too many others will decide to buy even the most useless of things like all class pets. Even I have to admit that I've been tempted to get a small all class kitty, ...isn't that shallow.

EDIT: If people like rare pets so much, hate to hunt them and dislike professional tamers... Maybe PWI should put these pets up in the cash shop, that would fix things really fast and get PWI some more cash flow

Asperitas - Lost City

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The fact that it isn't fun anymore for many people to even try to get a rare pet also impinges on the fact that someone else is impeding another persons game play. Intentionally.

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This game should be about fun. It should not be about frustration or getting more money/pets than anyone else could get.

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It is selfish of one person to be there all the time farming pets to sell to other venos. In the instance of wanting to make all class pets etc.. I get it, but its still selfish.

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If I was a veno and saw the same person there all the time knowing they got the pet.. I'd kill it. I'd make it a mission to be there everytime to kill it since they wouldn't let me tame it.

The problem is a player's advancement or satisfaction in the game usually means the impedement or discontent of another. You don't RPK for fun and come out with a win-win situation. You don't bid on items in the auction house with both sides coming out happy. You don't TW with both sides being winners. That's the way this works. You win some, you lose some.

On that note, who's to say what's fun for different individuals? Everyone defines "fun" in a different manner. How can you deny a person's definition of "fun" because it conflicts with your own? That's no different than you stopping the other person from taming a pet, hence stopping their fun, so you can tame yours.

In the end, taming pets is up to the individual's skill, gear and luck. You can't blame your own personal inadequacy and incompetence on others, and you certainly cannot make it another's obligation to make things happen for you. You don't walk out with an elementary school education expecting to get a professional job. This is reality. You can't rely on nice, generous and selfless people all the time. Ultimately, the one responsible for you is nobody but yourself.

Marista - Lost City

Dioica - Sanctuary wrote: »

Professional tamers increase the number of rare pets people can have (because otherwise they would sometimes go untamed), and give casual players the opportunity to have rare pets which they would not otherwise have.

If I wanted a rare pet, I would probably buy one from a professional tamer.

(But you can check my level and my join date to get an idea of how enthusiastic I am, about that concept.)

This is a good point, and reminded me of another thing--you really wouldn't have much chance of finding the times if we were gone. 3/4 times or more, it's just those of us who want them to sell at the spawns, and it's very easy to lose a time--don't go one day and if no one else goes, then poof. Now you've got a lot of camping to do or wait for maint.

So, if you think the occasional person wanting to tame one would come often enough to keep them on time, you're wrong, and if people aren't willing to put the effort in to beat us, they most certainly aren't going to be willing to camp for huge periods of time. Even I rarely have the ambition to camp instead of waiting for next week's maint, because I have a lot tp do, in game and irl, and sitting and constantly watching in one stop isn't feasible. And if you somehow got rid of us, you would only know what time they came once a week, and after that... Thus, it hurts people who want to tame them for themselves to have us gone too, probably more than it would help.

Gasoline - Lost City

glympse0710 wrote: »

Hi all

I just need an info:
cant we do anything to stop those tamers that tame all rare pets everyday?

I think this isn't fair. 'Cuz I just need to tame one pet for me, while they tame for sell them.

Yes, I could buy one, but why must I buy when game says to me that I can tame?

I think that we need some rules about taming rare pet.
As we got rules for luring world bosses and so on.

I'm sorry for my English, I hope u can understand.

Ty for the attention.

Greetings,
J.

This is a competitive game. You don't get anything unless you invest and lvl your char. Just b/c there are nice things in game you can get doesn't mean you should automatically get them, you kinda have to deserve them first.

Same goes for other stuff, lets say the mini bosses around the world map, anyone can kill them, but the person with highest dmg that also keeps track of spawning times will most likely get the kill and the amazing loot over and over.

And yes every veno can also tame rare pets, but the higher lvl with maxed skills and better channeling that keeps track of the spawn times will have a bigger chance to get it than some lowbie that casually goes to the spot and hopes to get lucky.

I don't see why you have a bigger right to the rare pet than a veno that tames it to make money either. Maybe they really need the money to save up for something they need like a Hercules. Just b/c you're gonna use the pet to lure/kill mobs doesn't mean it should be yours.

All tho i have never bothered with rare pets and i also have no clue why people do it. Rare pets have no value anymore.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

drjiggle wrote: »

I've never understood why people think this is different from mat farming. Mats are limited, only respawn on certain intervals, and if you want them, you have to work for them and be smart about beating the other guy(s) who are out there. If the other guy has spent money on a fully upgraded fast mount and you didn't, he's going to beat you. You need to either do the same or be creative if you want to compete. If you find yourself unwilling or unable to do the farming yourself, you find some way of making coins and buying them. How and why are rare pets different?

Before someone decides this post is some self-serving defense of my own rare pet taming, let me point out that I've tamed 1 rare pet when I accidentally stumbled onto a bunny during world quest. I've also accidentally killed 2 or 3 of them because I stink at rare pet taming. That's the sum total entirety of my rare pet taming career.

Mats respawn every 10 minutes, rare pets respawn every 12 hours. There is a big difference. Mats respawn several different places on the map and they are plentiful, rare pets do not and are not.

Devinettie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I know I spent.. 2 months trying to get myself a wind walking piggie.. 2 months.. and for those 2 months.. about 2 mins before spawn.. the same person would log in.. either they would tame it.. 95% of the time.. Or.. if it was the 5% I would have the chance of getting it.. the person would kill it.. the same person.. every day.. 2 times a day... and as soon as it was tamed or killed she would log out.. Now.. explain how that is fair...

I consider that person very selfish.

I was out mining mats today, and this person kept following me around. I would always beat him to the mats. But its b/c I got a route and had it all timed. He got irritated. I said look I'm not trying to make u upset. But I got my tt 90 mats and no subs to make the items. I am farming for about an hour then I'll leave.

I think people who NEED stuff, is different than those who are doing it for money/greed. I wasn't so greedy I had to have EVERY mat that spawned in the area. I understand others have needs too. I'd just like to have what I need as well.

Ppl have no shame anymore, in game or out. Its NOT real money, I wish more ppl understood that. So what if you have 100 million in game. You cant roll around in it, you can't love it, you can't hug it and you certainly CAN'T SPEND IT IN REAL LIFE!

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nothing is fair in life. Why the hell is bill gates so rich and Im so poor? Why are there such smart people in the world? b:bye

9/10 people are rich for 2 reasons. 1 they had an idea no 1 else had and they marketed that idea and made millions, or 2 they had parents who were already wealthy and their parents spoil them.

Life is not fair. This game isn't real life. Therefore there is a reason it should be somewhat fair.

As someone else said, being a veno is about being able to tame pets and use them. The above post clearly illustrates someone who is abusing this game. Rare pet spawns were never intended for the same person to get all the rare pets 99% of the time over the duration of a year. So what they are higher lvl and have better channelling gear. Others would like to enjoy the game too. Kthnxbai

Marista - Lost City

Who are you to say what they were intended for? If they were supposed to be common and for anyone to get, we wouldn't call them rares and there would be something in game telling you they exist other than luck. There is not, and as I have already said, you could easily go through the game without ever knowing they existed. I didn't get my first until Lv 60, and that was just because I happened to want to say I have gotten a kowlin by myself at Lv 60. I then went and got a kitty because I realized getting a rare isn't as hard as it's made out to be by people who don't put any effort into it.

If I had just wanted a luring pet, the Petalii Hexkiss is one level higher, pretty close to as fast, and quite plentiful. At the moment, I use my ninetailed firefox--another non-rare mob, even though it's by far more popular with people who see it than any of my rares--as much as my kowlin for luring. And armored bear is nice to have, but its usefulness is pretty limited with such low attack. A barb stole agro off it with -normal attacks- yesterday in BH.

So, as I already said, rare pets are a luxury and you don't need them to enjoy the game. I enjoyed it quite a bit before I had rares and know plenty of others who do too. If you really think getting one would add that much more significant enjoyment, just do the work yourself and stop QQing so much. If we're talking about "need," for a long time I was taming rares because I "needed" to get my nix and they were the most reasonable way for me to make money. Now I "need" a number of other things, and when something can be exchanged for money, saying you need it is the same as saying you need money. If you want the experience of taming it, you can do the work that entails.

Asperitas - Lost City

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mats respawn every 10 minutes, rare pets respawn every 12 hours. There is a big difference. Mats respawn several different places on the map and they are plentiful, rare pets do not and are not.

There's also 8 classes looking for those mats, and they are not plentiful. That's why there's so many people complaining on forums about people stealing their mats, and why there's competition. Just because the respawn interval is longer does not take away from the fact that there is an unlimited supply of rare pets. If you don't get one today, get one tomorrow.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I consider that person very selfish.

I was out mining mats today, and this person kept following me around. I would always beat him to the mats. But its b/c I got a route and had it all timed. He got irritated. I said look I'm not trying to make u upset. But I got my tt 90 mats and no subs to make the items. I am farming for about an hour then I'll leave.

I think people who NEED stuff, is different than those who are doing it for money/greed. I wasn't so greedy I had to have EVERY mat that spawned in the area. I understand others have needs too. I'd just like to have what I need as well.

Ppl have no shame anymore, in game or out. Its NOT real money, I wish more ppl understood that. So what if you have 100 million in game. You cant roll around in it, you can't love it, you can't hug it and you certainly CAN'T SPEND IT IN REAL LIFE!

Why were you farming mats? Because you needed them to make subs so you can make your 90 gear.

Why are people taming pets for profit? Because they need money to get whatever they want. They are exactly the same. Your reason for farming and hogging mats are not any more justifiable and selfless than the person farming pets for their gear. If you weren't greedy, you'd play this game barebones, pay more than you have to for your gear, sell for less when you try to sell things. Point is, we're all driven by greed. We just manifest and satisfy them in different ways.

Pets in general are necessities. RARE pets are a luxury. Hence they are rare. Just as you don't expect people to hand out ferrari's in real life, you don't expect people to spoon feed you the things you want in game.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

There's also 8 classes looking for those mats, and they are not plentiful. That's why there's so many people complaining on forums about people stealing their mats, and why there's competition. Just because the respawn interval is longer does not take away from the fact that there is an unlimited supply of rare pets. If you don't get one today, get one tomorrow.



Why were you farming mats? Because you needed them to make subs so you can make your 90 gear.

Why are people taming pets for profit? Because they need money to get whatever they want. They are exactly the same. Your reason for farming and hogging mats are not any more justifiable and selfless than the person farming pets for their gear. If you weren't greedy, you'd play this game barebones, pay more than you have to for your gear, sell for less when you try to sell things. Point is, we're all driven by greed. We just manifest and satisfy them in different ways.

Pets in general are necessities. RARE pets are a luxury. Hence they are rare. Just as you don't expect people to hand out ferrari's in real life, you don't expect people to spoon feed you the things you want in game.

The difference is that I do not stay there for days/hours on end. Why? I'm not greedy. I understand that others need the same things I do. Otherwise I could have stayed there all day as I've been online.

Why would you say I was "hogging" mats. When I plainly stated I realized other people were in the area also farming. I skipped over many mats especially those I "didn't" need that were in the area. Just because other people are stingy in a game doesn't mean I have to be.

I guess I was just raised different than most people and value my reputation more than my wallet. I'd rather people think I was a just, fair and kind person. Rather than a jerk.

I even offered to show the person I was talking about the mat run I was doing before I left. So they'd know the exact timing of the route I was taking.

I am not a veno, I don't play a veno. I can see both sides of the story here is all I am saying. Everyone needs money in this game to get gears etc. However; is it really that difficult to let someone else share the same joys you do in the game?

I have a veno friend who said: I am not going to pay anyone for something I can tame. It really sucks that I can not tame anything rare that I'd like to use.

She sticks with her magmite and anything else that is a normal mob she can tame. At level 85 she's given up trying, as its not worth the effort.

Coraline - Lost City

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I am not a veno, I don't play a veno. I can see both sides of the story here is all I am saying. Everyone needs money in this game to get gears etc. However; is it really that difficult to let someone else share the same joys you do in the game?

I have a veno friend who said: I am not going to pay anyone for something I can tame. It really sucks that I can not tame anything rare that I'd like to use.

She sticks with her magmite and anything else that is a normal mob she can tame. At level 85 she's given up trying, as its not worth the effort.

At least shes not complaining. To me, getting the kowlin for a friend was worth it, which is why I arrived there 30 minutes ahead of time and kept trying for a week until I finally tamed it. All in all, I think because its a rare pet and you have the competition, that's the joy. Sure it gets annoying if someone always gets it, but if you really want it and finally get it, nothing can compare. Its like if you wanted a rare baseball card and someone's always trying to buy it before you and you finally get it faster than them. And its been stated before, it wouldn't be rare if it was easy to get for most people. I think its when people give up and then complain about it, thats when they really didnt want it. If you did, you would continue or find ways to get it and maybe some rage moments. If you didnt, you would complain all the time about it, and then continue with the game. Like Marista said, the pets are more appearance based, they dont have the best stats/attacks and you can play the game without them. Just like you can play the game without csing or having a herc/nix.


Also another way you can increase your chances is to bring a couple of venos friends WHO YOU TRUST and ask them to help tame the mob. That way its 4-5 verses 1 tamer who is there everyday. Apoth is cheap so you can lvl it up and make some -channeling pots and pass them to your friends.

Asperitas - Lost City

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The difference is that I do not stay there for days/hours on end. Why? I'm not greedy. I understand that others need the same things I do. Otherwise I could have stayed there all day as I've been online.

Why would you say I was "hogging" mats. When I plainly stated I realized other people were in the area also farming. I skipped over many mats especially those I "didn't" need that were in the area. Just because other people are stingy in a game doesn't mean I have to be.

I guess I was just raised different than most people and value my reputation more than my wallet. I'd rather people think I was a just, fair and kind person. Rather than a jerk.

I even offered to show the person I was talking about the mat run I was doing before I left. So they'd know the exact timing of the route I was taking.

I am not a veno, I don't play a veno. I can see both sides of the story here is all I am saying. Everyone needs money in this game to get gears etc. However; is it really that difficult to let someone else share the same joys you do in the game?

I have a veno friend who said: I am not going to pay anyone for something I can tame. It really sucks that I can not tame anything rare that I'd like to use.

She sticks with her magmite and anything else that is a normal mob she can tame. At level 85 she's given up trying, as its not worth the effort.

Do you really think most of these people would tame pets perpetually with no goal? Aside from people who do it just for kicks so people QQ, most people have a goal in game they want to obtain. And sometimes you need financial support to do so. Just because one person farms mats to do it, and the other farms rare pets, does not make one better or "right" than the other.

If my veno needed a nix, i need money. If I am good at taming rare pets, that is what I will do. You tell me. What is wrong with that? Is it because I'm taking something that "should" be yours? Or is it because you don't agree with the way I'm making money?

You and I can both tame the pet. There's no special button that you press that stops everyone else from taming it. Just because I am better and invested more money and time into it does not make it wrong for me to tame the pet.

We have to understand we have to work to get what we want in this world. There is no free lunch, and money doesn't grow on trees. If you want a rare pet, you need to go out there and tame one just like everyone else. If you're not as good, you need to elevate yourself.

Life is like a mirror, and it never gives back anything more than you put in.

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear

The pets are not rare anymore simply because alot of people know the spawns and times. TBH what they should do is spawn randomly at no fixed point.

Ie:
One day kowlin spawns near ether, next day near immolation camp, next day near DW etc etc etc.

Quilue - Sanctuary

_Pale - Sanctuary wrote: »

EDIT: If people like rare pets so much, hate to hunt them and dislike professional tamers... Maybe PWI should put these pets up in the cash shop, that would fix things really fast and get PWI some more cash flow

hahaha! that's as outrageous as "if people like high levels and high level gear so much, hate to spend time playing the game...Maybe PWI should put them up in the cash shop, that would fix things really fast and get PWI some more cash flow."

o shi-

Rillien - Heavens Tear

^LOL

Also, just gotta say, boyyyy this thread is a throwback. At first I thought it was a necro. Because before all the QQing about annipacks, endless cash shop sales, lack of in game events, JJ gold inflation and the screwy economy, people QQed about rare pets. And this, my friends, gives me hope that we return to those good ol' days, when the WORST THING EVERRRR was someone killing the spawn before any venos could tame.

Carry on b:thanks

StormHydra - Sanctuary

Dioica - Sanctuary wrote: »

Professional tamers increase the number of rare pets people can have (because otherwise they would sometimes go untamed), and give casual players the opportunity to have rare pets which they would not otherwise have.

If I wanted a rare pet, I would probably buy one from a professional tamer.

(But you can check my level and my join date to get an idea of how enthusiastic I am, about that concept.)

.....WHat?

How does it increase the amount of pets people can have?
The pet spawns, and somebody tames it. End of story. It doesnt matter if that person is a low level veno that just wants it cause its "cute" or a rich 9x veno with -chan gear.

eheh ShamANNIPACKS

Io_Nyuu - Sanctuary

HiHI im a pet tamer not a good one but good gear low channeling ....Il gonna build a psy put low channeling gear on and one schot this sweet little pet..
You know what really good pet tamers are for that .Less offers more valuable object. plz ppl go for a bloodbath on rare pet power to the psy.


Urghhh