"Professional" tamers...

glympse0710

Hi all

I just need an info:
cant we do anything to stop those tamers that tame all rare pets everyday?

I think this isn't fair. 'Cuz I just need to tame one pet for me, while they tame for sell them.

Yes, I could buy one, but why must I buy when game says to me that I can tame?

I think that we need some rules about taming rare pet.
As we got rules for luring world bosses and so on.

I'm sorry for my English, I hope u can understand.

Ty for the attention.

Greetings,
J.

Graviora - Dreamweaver

I am one of those people who if I happen to stumble across a rare pet... I kill it b:cute

But anyhow, I dunno what to tell you. I bought my rare pets and put them on my veno.

Genosuke - Heavens Tear

glympse0710 wrote: »

Hi all

I just need an info:
cant we do anything to stop those tamers that tame all rare pets everyday?

I think this isn't fair. 'Cuz I just need to tame one pet for me, while they tame for sell them.

Yes, I could buy one, but why must I buy when game says to me that I can tame?

I think that we need some rules about taming rare pet.
As we got rules for luring world bosses and so on.

I'm sorry for my English, I hope u can understand.

Ty for the attention.

Greetings,
J.

Honestly i dont think any rule should be made, taming and selling rare pets is just another way to make ingame money.

im sure that those venos that want to tame a rare pet arent on spot alone, so its not easy for them to tame aswell, if you really want a rare pet without paying for it, you have 2 options:

-be ahead of the other venos, bring -chan pots, get less -chan gear, and be the first to spot the pet.
-ask 1 or more veno friend to help you, ur chances will increase if you have more ppl on your side trying to tame it.

Downloadzfox - Heavens Tear

im not a veno but i guees the more people you have around the world (ingame) the more chance you have of finding it

Vitenka - Dreamweaver

Exact opposite, really.

There's a limited number of pets spawns, they spawn once every twelve hours.

It's not like you have to wander the wilderness looking for them - it's more turn up for the knitting circle, wait tensely for the exact moment, hit tame once it spawns - and watch someone else walk off with the pet.

Because yeah, there's some skill to the taming, but stats and gear matter too.

The rare pet tame thing just isn't any fun.

Vinat - Sanctuary

if its the same person at the same spawn twice a day for over a month you can send a ticket

Phoenix - Dreamweaver

Unnecessary sense of entitlement wrote:

Hi all

I just need an info:
cant we do anything to stop those mat farmers/TT soloers/etc. that farm/solo/etc. all mats/TTs/etc. everyday?

I think this isn't fair. 'Cuz I just need to gather wine mats/TT gear/etc. for me, while they farm/solo/etc. for sell them.

Yes, I could buy mats/TT mats & gear/etc., but why must I buy when game says to me that I can farm/solo/etc.?

I think that we need some rules about mat farming/TT soloing/etc.
As we got rules for luring world bosses and so on.

I'm sorry for my English, I hope u can understand.

Ty for the attention.

Sincerely,
Overvalued self-importance.

Please leave.

Vinat - Sanctuary

Phoenix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Please leave.

you fail at reading comprehension. either that or logic.

tt and rare pet spawns are apples and oranges. tt is an unlimited instance. 1 person farming tt does not stop other people from farming tt, nor does it take away their ability to farm tt.

rare pets (except for bunny) spawn twice daily. on the world map. not in an unlimited instance.

let that swirl around your head, and then..

Phoenix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Please leave.

ChaoticTears - Harshlands

glympse0710 wrote: »

cant we do anything to stop those tamers that tame all rare pets everyday?

Ask them nicely if they will let you tame one for your own personal use ..... if they refuse ... kill it

Nelae - Heavens Tear

ChaoticTears - Harshlands wrote: »

... kill it

QFTW

/10charsss

Tatuaje - Lost City

I know it sucks sometmies when you are lower level and can't do something others can do.

You can only ask nicely and most likely get refused or just pruchase your said pet that you want to tame.

Surviaval of the fittest really.

Genosuke - Heavens Tear

ChaoticTears - Harshlands wrote: »

Ask them nicely if they will let you tame one for your own personal use ..... if they refuse ... kill it

honestly i highly doubt theyll just stop and let you tame it (thats the world we live in).

but killing it is no path to follow

Nelae - Heavens Tear

Killing it is just one way of getting rid off your competition.

/inb4rarepetRightProtectionMemBers

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear

If same people are there every day like those who set there clock to rare pet spawns, u have n chance of taming it ive seen veno's there with over -30% channeling gear so yea good luck, they wont let you tame it ahead of them either so just do what i do and kill it if people are there b:victory.

Orose - Sanctuary

You will apologize me if I don't post with my main char, but you will soon understand why ;

I am a rare pet tamer, and quite a good one (not the best though). From time to time, when I am running out of cash or because I want a new baby pet for one of my alt (including this one), I start a "taming campaign", which means I spend 1 to 3 weeks taming rare pets. It is unfair, I know it... why I do it then? Can I live with it? My point here is not to debate about it. With the appropriate "search", you will find every arguments that have been debated for months.

So, coming to my point... I have been taming rare pets for more than 1 year now, and have invested a lot of my (ingame) coins in this purpose (channel gear, Windrage essences, genie and TP stones). But since I always feel a little guilty about the fact it is now far easier for me than for those who really want it for them (as a pet, I mean, not for selling it), I decided to give 2 of them every 10 I tame. And I am not talking about frogs only (ie the easiest and cheapest of the 12 hours rare pets), but also all "super" rare ones such as cub and Knowlin. So, there are often 2 of them available in my bank ready to be given for free, provided I find someone who ask me (fairly) for some help about rare pets, and/or if I think someone really deserves it (tries a lot but always fail).
But the fact is... During the past 12 months, I was been asked POLITELY only ONCE for help or advice and have also met only ONE veno (not the same) who actually deserved having one according to me : mainly because those who fail quit after only 4-5 attempts or start being rude because they expect a rare pet as something they basicely deserve as venomancers.

So.... maybe those who want a rare pet should consider requesting politely and patiently for some help (I did for my first one, and still needed 20 attempts to get it) and/or trying as long as they don't manage to get one by themselves. Maybe then, someone will notice you really deserve to be rewarded for your hard work, even though you keep failing. Those who deserve will get, even if it's sometimes a painfull way to success. And don't mind saying you do deserve : it's not your privilege to judge about it, but the one who will help's one.

Now, before you start thinking about some trick : no need to ask Orose for a rare pet. She won't even answer.
My veno won't, too, so don't try to ask any veno you will meet at spawn spots : because I don't want to be tricked by ppl who know I have them and pretend to be nice and/or deserving. Basicely, my veno only looks for ppl who deserve, and another alt I rarely play gives without saying whose alt he is.

Iseria - Harshlands

glympse0710 wrote: »

Hi all

I just need an info:
cant we do anything to stop those tamers that tame all rare pets everyday?

I think this isn't fair. 'Cuz I just need to tame one pet for me, while they tame for sell them.

Yes, I could buy one, but why must I buy when game says to me that I can tame?

I think that we need some rules about taming rare pet.
As we got rules for luring world bosses and so on.

I'm sorry for my English, I hope u can understand.

Ty for the attention.

Greetings,
J.

I think we need stricter QQ rules

Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Killing it is just one way of getting rid off your competition.

/inb4rarepetRightProtectionMemBers

I have PETA on line 1.

Bellamontage - Lost City

Iseria - Harshlands wrote: »

I think we need stricter QQ rules

Amen to that.

As we got rules for luring world bosses and so on.

We do O.o?

drjiggle

I've never understood why people think this is different from mat farming. Mats are limited, only respawn on certain intervals, and if you want them, you have to work for them and be smart about beating the other guy(s) who are out there. If the other guy has spent money on a fully upgraded fast mount and you didn't, he's going to beat you. You need to either do the same or be creative if you want to compete. If you find yourself unwilling or unable to do the farming yourself, you find some way of making coins and buying them. How and why are rare pets different?

Before someone decides this post is some self-serving defense of my own rare pet taming, let me point out that I've tamed 1 rare pet when I accidentally stumbled onto a bunny during world quest. I've also accidentally killed 2 or 3 of them because I stink at rare pet taming. That's the sum total entirety of my rare pet taming career.

Iseria - Harshlands

drjiggle wrote: »

I've never understood why people think this is different from mat farming. Mats are limited, only respawn on certain intervals, and if you want them, you have to work for them and be smart about beating the other guy(s) who are out there. If the other guy has spent money on a fully upgraded fast mount and you didn't, he's going to beat you. You need to either do the same or be creative if you want to compete. If you find yourself unwilling or unable to do the farming yourself, you find some way of making coins and buying them. How and why are rare pets different?

Before someone decides this post is some self-serving defense of my own rare pet taming, let me point out that I've tamed 1 rare pet when I accidentally stumbled onto a bunny during world quest. I've also accidentally killed 2 or 3 of them because I stink at rare pet taming. That's the sum total entirety of my rare pet taming career.

+1 to the altguy/gal

when i wanted my dodo bear I camped the area and when respawn was getting near I called people in my faction and PKd the other venos.

Psytrac - Dreamweaver

Genosuke - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you really want a rare pet without paying for it, you have 2 options:

-be ahead of the other venos, bring -chan pots, get less -chan gear, and be the first to spot the pet.
-ask 1 or more veno friend to help you, ur chances will increase if you have more ppl on your side trying to tame it.

I had to chime in here.. I have no channeling gear and I tame mine just fine. and have a week straight. (I haven't been since maintenance though)

if you're on DW, get me the time and I'll do what I can (60 and below only)

Fiery_Demon - Heavens Tear

I have never tamed a rare pet, expect one time when I accidentally found a bunny. I didn't even know it was rare and tamed it just because I liked it. I didn't notice that a much higher level veno was running towards it, and when I got the bunny, she started complaining and insulting me for taking it, because she had been waiting sooo long for it. I didn't care much but if she had asked me nicely and told me if she needed it for herself I'd given it to her. I've never tried to tame rare pets since then, because I find it pointless as I have a herc, and too much trouble as there are many haters/noobs there besides those who really want the pet.

Phoenix - Dreamweaver

you fail at reading comprehension. either that or logic.

tt and rare pet spawns are apples and oranges. tt is an unlimited instance. 1 person farming tt does not stop other people from farming tt, nor does it take away their ability to farm tt.

rare pets (except for bunny) spawn twice daily. on the world map. not in an unlimited instance.

let that swirl around your head, and then..

I applaud your ability to miss the point of my post. Less head-swirling, more thinking; and to preempt your next response, yes, I understand that people who fail to attain a limited resource think they've been vilely wronged, because how dare someone profit from a resource in a game solely designed to line the pockets of the capitalist corporation who runs it. I'm sure there are a great many MMOs that cater solely to you and your socialist ilk; oh, wait, no there isn't, because that would be an idiotic game design when one of the sole addicting factors of MMOs is acquiring (and flaunting, if you have a warped sense of reality and think digital status actually means something) more wealth than all the lowly proles you get to play with.

No, PWE is not going to cater to anyone's pithy brand of entitlement. If a Veno is having a hard time earning the 1-2M needed for a rare pet, they should probably learn to play their job before they start demanding special treatment.

Evga - Sanctuary

hehe, i'm a rare pet tamer. and i will say this i work over a year to get my skill and knowledge on the best chance to tame rare pet. but i'm one of those more evil tamers who doesn't give anybody a chance since i hate people who comes to tame spot twice and be expected to be given a rare pet.

When i started i spend so many fail effort to get my skill and advantage up. I have no respect for people who comes once or twice and expect to get it. What is worst is they don't do their research and they come in unprepared and QQ when they can't get it.

Marista - Lost City

I must say, the sense of... entitlement I've noticed lately about rares is really starting to bother me. I will quite freely state that I tame rare pets for profit. Generally, I tend to do so by "fair" means--ie, I don't get BMs to stun the competition, PK them, etc, and I don't take objection to people coming who just want one to use. Indeed, I'll usually treat them civilly, and once in a while give away one to someone who really wants it.

That said, I have invested quite a bit of coin in my channeling gear in game, in my genie, I fit the spawns into my schedule, get up early after maint to camp for times, and generally put a lot of effort into the work, even though, to be honest, the actual taming is as much luck as gear and skill. I've beaten people with more channel and experience than me, including my own first times at the spawns, where I had no gear of any consequences and was just taming pets for my personal use. Sure, it would take a day or two, but I got even kowlin with a little persistence.

So, I really cannot understand the attitude of entitlement from people who fail, because the people who succeed more regularly have done so as a result of the skill and gear portion, but not even the best of us get them so much that someone who just wants one to use can't keep trying until their luck pays off. Maybe it's cultivated by the general ease that has been given to things via oracles, etc, I don't really know. If you want it that easy, go buy one. What I do know if that if you honestly think you can't catch one with enough effort, you haven't tried hard enough. I'm getting tired of being nice to such people, so if you're on lost city, I advise you to just try harder, because me and a lot of the other regulars are getting to the point of just KOSing people who QQ at us for what we do.

Remember, rare pets are in no way needed as part of the game. If you didn't read the wiki and/or forums, it is entirely possible you could go through the game without even realizing they exist, never mind missing the use of one. There are plenty of pets that don't take effort to get that can serve the same roles; rare pets are a luxury, not in any way a necessity to playing the game. You don't need one, so if you aren't willing to put the effort into taming one or the coin into buying one, just go without. It won't kill you, or even significantly detract from your experience.

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

hehe, i'm a rare pet tamer. and i will say this i work over a year to get my skill and knowledge on the best chance to tame rare pet. but i'm one of those more evil tamers who doesn't give anybody a chance since i hate people who comes to tame spot twice and be expected to be given a rare pet.

When i started i spend so many fail effort to get my skill and advantage up. I have no respect for people who comes once or twice and expect to get it. What is worst is they don't do their research and they come in unprepared and QQ when they can't get it.

I keep forgetting to visit the cub. b:surrender

To OP: QQ moar plz.

Coraline - Lost City

Just have a plan when you tame pets. I wanted to tame a Kowlin for one of my friends as a gift. The first day I camped the spot, and when the kowlin was tamed by the other venos, I noted the time and went there the next day. I couldn't do it in the morning so that left the evenings open for me. I made the -channeling pots, I gave myself some lowbie -channeling gear and made sure my Tame pet was up to date. This was before genies so I couldn't use the genie skills. After a few days of failing I finally got one even though the one veno who kept getting it day after day had at least -30 channeling. I think the next week I sat there again for a Kowlin for myself.

Anyway, you just need to know the times and the locations. It helps a lot. If you just take the first day and see what time it is captured that makes sure you wont be late the following days.

Another thing that could help, I wanted to make an all class pig for this char and the same veno who was at the kowlin spawn, getting it day after day, was there. So after finding the time, the next day, I asked a few friends of mine to 'guard' me. Mini pk war happened while I tamed the pig. I haven't wanted to tame any other pets but yeah..I only asked them to come because I was sick of that veno.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Exact opposite, really.

There's a limited number of pets spawns, they spawn once every twelve hours.

It's not like you have to wander the wilderness looking for them - it's more turn up for the knitting circle, wait tensely for the exact moment, hit tame once it spawns - and watch someone else walk off with the pet.

Because yeah, there's some skill to the taming, but stats and gear matter too.

The rare pet tame thing just isn't any fun.

That means thousands of venos have 2 chances a day to get 1 rare pet. (except bunny) I'm not a veno but I do find it a bit aggressive that one person would sit there and constantly try and succeed every day twice a day. They need to redo this system.

The fact that it isn't fun anymore for many people to even try to get a rare pet also impinges on the fact that someone else is impeding another persons game play. Intentionally.

They could simply make it to where when you get the level of the required pet, you get that pet. But only 1. Then anyone who wants to get them to farm/make all class/sell them can do so without killing another persons game play.

This game should be about fun. It should not be about frustration or getting more money/pets than anyone else could get.

Vinat - Sanctuary wrote: »

if its the same person at the same spawn twice a day for over a month you can send a ticket

Yes, so they can ban/discipline that person for a day, then they'll rinse and repeat? I don't know what the "punishment" would be for this. But lets also pretend I showed up at the same rare pet spawn twice a day for a month trying to get(but failing) a rare pet. I'd be there the same amount of time, without getting anything. So reporting a person based on that, isn't really going to prove anything.

ChaoticTears - Harshlands wrote: »

Ask them nicely if they will let you tame one for your own personal use ..... if they refuse ... kill it

I actually agree with this. And if you are on a pk server and can kill the player, do that too. It is selfish of one person to be there all the time farming pets to sell to other venos. In the instance of wanting to make all class pets etc.. I get it, but its still selfish.

If I was a veno and saw the same person there all the time knowing they got the pet.. I'd kill it. I'd make it a mission to be there everytime to kill it since they wouldn't let me tame it.

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If I was a veno and saw the same person there all the time knowing they got the pet.. I'd kill it. I'd make it a mission to be there everytime to kill it since they wouldn't let me tame it.

+1.

If you can't get it kill it b:pleased.

Devinettie - Heavens Tear

I know I spent.. 2 months trying to get myself a wind walking piggie.. 2 months.. and for those 2 months.. about 2 mins before spawn.. the same person would log in.. either they would tame it.. 95% of the time.. Or.. if it was the 5% I would have the chance of getting it.. the person would kill it.. the same person.. every day.. 2 times a day... and as soon as it was tamed or killed she would log out.. Now.. explain how that is fair...

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary

Devinettie - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I know I spent.. 2 months trying to get myself a wind walking piggie.. 2 months.. and for those 2 months.. about 2 mins before spawn.. the same person would log in.. either they would tame it.. 95% of the time.. Or.. if it was the 5% I would have the chance of getting it.. the person would kill it.. the same person.. every day.. 2 times a day... and as soon as it was tamed or killed she would log out.. Now.. explain how that is fair...

Nothing is fair in life. Why the hell is bill gates so rich and Im so poor? Why are there such smart people in the world? b:bye

Marista - Lost City

The fact that there are people so bitter they would kill pets out of petty jealousy like this makes me very glad I'm on a PvP server and can kill them if they try. It honestly strikes me as a very childish reaction to being unwilling to put the effort into getting a luxury item.