Sage Archer or Demon Archer?

Elviron - Dreamweaver

@Cyanea
I would disagree on the weapon issue. Usually its common sense to couple the slower weapon ad harder hitting weapon with the path that increase speed and the faster and slower hitting weapon with the path that increases damage.

What most people say about demon archers is that their skills specifically increase the cirt percentage and the atk rate of the archer. Now irrespective of the weapon, then would be handy since more crits mean more damage and faster atk means faster dmg.

So take the the example of two archers who just used their respective culti stuns:-
Sage: The stun would give 1 second extra to deal damage to the target
Demon: Now For 10 seconds theres an additional 10% chance to do double damage

Which would you prefer? A similar scenario with Sharptooth except that you get a 4% extra hp reduction with the sage version.

Agreed sages do get better debuffs (basically they last longer) but when it comes to damage dealing the Demon would do it faster. That being said, I believe the chances of demon archers stealing aggro is higher when compared to sage archers.

In pvp its all about how fast you can deal the most amount of damage while in pve (especially boss hunts) its more on prolonged DPS. Hence most archers choose xbows for pvp (for the spikes with skills) since we dont really resort to a high amount of normal shots (unless ur a demon archer i guess) and slings/bows for pve (for the atk speed)

To each their own I guess. At this point, from a pve perspective, am unsure if I would like the longer lasting buffs/debuffs of the sage or the sudden crit and attack rate bursts of the demon.

PS: Definitely i cant take advantage of the crit boosts given by sharptooth and stun during grinds since those skills are rarely even used.

Illyana - Dreamweaver

Elviron - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@Cyanea
I would disagree on the weapon issue. Usually its common sense to couple the slower weapon ad harder hitting weapon with the path that increase speed and the faster and slower hitting weapon with the path that increases damage.

What most people say about demon archers is that their skills specifically increase the cirt percentage and the atk rate of the archer. Now irrespective of the weapon, then would be handy since more crits mean more damage and faster atk means faster dmg.

So take the the example of two archers who just used their respective culti stuns:-
Sage: The stun would give 1 second extra to deal damage to the target
Demon: Now For 10 seconds theres an additional 10% chance to do double damage

Which would you prefer? A similar scenario with Sharptooth except that you get a 4% extra hp reduction with the sage version.

Agreed sages do get better debuffs (basically they last longer) but when it comes to damage dealing the Demon would do it faster. That being said, I believe the chances of demon archers stealing aggro is higher when compared to sage archers.

In pvp its all about how fast you can deal the most amount of damage while in pve (especially boss hunts) its more on prolonged DPS. Hence most archers choose xbows for pvp (for the spikes with skills) since we dont really resort to a high amount of normal shots (unless ur a demon archer i guess) and slings/bows for pve (for the atk speed)

To each their own I guess. At this point, from a pve perspective, am unsure if I would like the longer lasting buffs/debuffs of the sage or the sudden crit and attack rate bursts of the demon.

PS: Definitely i cant take advantage of the crit boosts given by sharptooth and stun during grinds since those skills are rarely even used.

With all due respect, you do not have appropriate perspective (yet). Sage hits harder, but slower because it does not have quickshot and demon eruption. Especially with metal skills where negative hit interval and skills like quickshot play no role in DPS, the sage wins out.

PvP target wise, demons are naturally statted for taking out squishies due specifically to their quickshot proc and demon eruption. Pvp target wise, where hit intervals do not come into play, a sage will be better versus heavies as heavies approach you (metal tree, sage frost arrow), as opposed to clerics, Arcane venos and wizards who more often than not, run away.

On the whole, at least in a PvP sense, I can see how initially an 89-91 sage archer would be stronger than a comparably equipped demon archer. From 92+, demon archers are better at what they do. 95% of celestial archers are less than likely to get to make it to level 100.

At level 100, it is possible through extraordinary gear that a sage archer can become "better" than a demon archer, by virtue of a top end -hit interval fist or claw setup, as 5 hits a second are possible at close range without spark eruption & QS proc, giving a constant sage chain spark the advantage of always taking 33% damage less than their demon counterparts, not to mention being able to out-DD them with the added stronger sage blazing arrow buff. Arguably, the demon will still be better at taking out squishies in this case as most squishies are NOT killed with claws/fists but with ranged weapons.

As archers are first and foremost charged with being a DD, the more damage they can dishout (as long as they survive!) the better. It is impossible for a demon archer to out-DD a sage archer when factoring in sage sharpened tooth (used only once, instead of repeatedly) and sage fire buff on fists, even if you factor in additional crits.

In short, it is a complicated story. Choose your celestial path in accordance with how you play the game and how devoted you are to making it to 100+ end game (end-game includes top equipment/skills).

Quilue - Sanctuary

but archer is pretty much a PvP class. i don't think it's very meaningful to be making your choice based on how well either path can solo a boss with fists endgame, assuming 8jun gear equipped. bloodvow is not that terrible either. that aside, i've admitted for a long time that sage has advantages against heavies.

on a completely unrelated note, demons like greed, pleasure, and other emotions. sages are like dead wood. read the demon/sage npcs for more details.

Illyana - Dreamweaver

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

but archer is pretty much a PvP class. i don't think it's very meaningful to be making your choice based on how well either path can solo a boss with fists endgame, assuming 8jun gear equipped. bloodvow is not that terrible either. that aside, i've admitted for a long time that sage has advantages against heavies.

on a completely unrelated note, demons like greed, pleasure, and other emotions. sages are like dead wood. read the demon/sage npcs for more details.

Archer is a PvP class; but it is also a very good PvE class. Sage isn't better than demon, demon isn't better than sage... they're purely different. A sage archer is capable of the most DPS out of any class/path in the game.

I would say that 90% of archers are better served by being a demon; the other 10% either do not make it passed level 92 or end up getting all end-game gear passed level 99.

Illyana - Dreamweaver

Well, it appears as if they're taking the ability for archers to use fists in the Chinese versions... b:surrender

Quilue - Sanctuary

and adding daggers right? AND ADDING DAGGERS RIGHT??? *shakes Illyana frantically*

you have a link btw?

Illyana - Dreamweaver

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

and adding daggers right? AND ADDING DAGGERS RIGHT??? *shakes Illyana frantically*

you have a link btw?

No daggers from what I'm told. This is a friend of a friend who plays on the Chinese servers; evidently it happened over night. The only class that is allowed to equip a claw or a fist is going to be a BM.

Legerity - Sanctuary

Illyana - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No daggers from what I'm told. This is a friend of a friend who plays on the Chinese servers; evidently it happened over night. The only class that is allowed to equip a claw or a fist is going to be a BM.

o.o ... Good thing I didn't waste coin on restat and lunar claws/TT100 fists.

If it ever happens to PWI, I wonder what happens to Archers who have fists/claws bound.

Illyana - Dreamweaver

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

o.o ... Good thing I didn't waste coin on restat and lunar claws/TT100 fists.

If it ever happens to PWI, I wonder what happens to Archers who have fists/claws bound.

I dunno... I know a lot of people who paid money to restat and buy/upgrade claws/fists. There would have to be some kind of reimbursement or there would be some seriously pissed off people.

Legerity - Sanctuary

Illyana - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I dunno... I know a lot of people who paid money to restat and buy/upgrade claws/fists. There would have to be some kind of reimbursement or there would be some seriously pissed off people.

I don't think there will be reimburstments.

PWI caring about people being P.O'd? I redirect you to the packs being thrown in the AH since Sept '09.

Their easy way out would probably make them unbind and put it in their inventory.

Legerity - Sanctuary

Cyanea - Lost City wrote: »

I have repeatedly tested sage take aim being interrupted by my opponent moving out of my range (i have sage take aim and sage winged blessing on my pwi archer alt).

I have never once seen it go into cooldown from being interrupted by my opponent having gone out of range.

I think your skill goes into cooldown from an actual skill interrupt, not because "they are out of range".

DrkLordZ - Sanctuary

niiba wrote: »

So, I kinda want to know which path is better for an archer...and also, which skills are basically useless to get, depending of the path you choose?

Go demon if your serious about this game. Go sage just for the laughs when anyone you talk to makes a conversation about Demon being better then sage.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

DrkLordZ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Go demon if your serious about this game. Go sage just for the laughs when anyone you talk to makes a conversation about Demon being better then sage.

i think he have enough time XD

here everybody say alot thing, mostly from 1side experience, but everybody must decide alone and later cant blame others

Chaotiic - Lost City

Cyanea - Lost City wrote: »

That has never happened any time I have been interrupted.

If anyone has had this happen to them (when skill gets interrupted it goes into cooldown) please tell me which skill they had this happen to them on? I would like to see if I can reproduce this effect.

Used wingspan in an fb but the barb pulled the mob off as i was casting, didnt attack got an interupt from out of range and went into cooldown. happened yesterday