Lack of personal responsibility
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Their response...
"How would you like me to find you and kill you in real life punk?"
I took a screen shot, told them I had and told them to enjoy their ban.
I would have done the same.Anyway this 'friend' tried for 20 minutes or so to get me to admit that it was my fault, and that I was responsible for her 'friend' making the threat. And there fore that I was liable for her friends behavior.
One of the final statements they made was this...
'It doesn't matter what anyone says, they shouldn't get banned for it"
Now to the point of this topic.
Each person is responsible for what they say. It doesn't matter if God himself pushes you to say something, YOU are responsible for your own actions.
This is very true. But I do believe you play the game (and propably other games) long enough to know you can't expect that kind of understanding from the younger players. They just haven't found their own feet yet in real life and that is why they are not very self-contained ingame as well. You can't tell me you expect a kid to understand they are responsible for their own action when they can't even get their quests done alone without crying all day long on all chats about absolutely any obstacle they face...You are obviously a child that has not yet been taught by your parents personal responsibility for your own actions. You should be removed from your parents because they have obviously failed in their duty as a parent in teaching you this.
Just because the parents didn't teach their kid enough independence (yet) does not mean they are bad parents. Also you know nothing about the life of the person you argued with and the removal of kids is not a topic that you should talk easy about. Was a bit over the top...Cervantia BM 100 / Calivthel Cleric 101 / Davinella Archer 9x
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »"How would you like me to find you and kill you in real life punk?"
I took a screen shot, told them I had and told them to enjoy their ban.
That's how serious you take online threats.b:shocked0 -
Pot_Head - Harshlands wrote: »That's how serious you take online threats.b:shocked
Ze INTERNET...she iz SRS BSNS.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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internet....I meant cyber world, sorry, sorry.b:surrenderKonariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ze INTERNET...she iz SRS BSNS.0 -
In response to the first post... uh....
You really should have just stuffed a cotton ball in it when they kept at you like that. There is such a thing called a blacklist and considering you are on a PvE server you don't have to worry about being on their KoS list later. You could have prevented the whole escalation by shutting up and walking away but no, you did what just about any kid does on any game, you fought back, thinking that being a jerk and demoralizing them would shut them up and you would walk away with a victory stamp.
You are both at fault in the ToS for being verbally abusive to one another.
Loot has a timer on it, this is true, if it times out and the person who dropped it is half a mile away, by all means pick it up. If the person who killed the mob is standing on it they may be trying to open up a slot to get it.
Summary, OP could have done their part and just stopped responding. You could have sat there and waited for them to say something stupid, but if I were the GM looking over what happened you would both be in trouble.
EDIT: Thought I should put this in here just to clarify because the ToS on the website applies to the games as well as the whole website.
Under #10 User Content part A
"User Content that is unlawful, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, indecent, lewd, suggestive, harassing, threatening, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, abusive, inflammatory, fraudulent or otherwise objectionable;"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok so i'm on my Sin helping my wife while we are looking for a particular mob. Another character is running around killing things, and not picking up their loot. My wife picks up the stuff (obviously the loot timer has expired) and this other player calls my wife a Thief (wrong move) for picking up loot that is 'free for all'.
Now.. as most of you know, most of the mobs in the new TB area don't agro unless you smack them, and they don't normally have a group agro response. Such was the case here, I could whack-a-mob right next to it's brother and it's brother wouldn't agro.. so there was no mob agro excuse for not picking up their loot right away if they wanted it.
Being nice, I first said that once the loot timer was up, the loot was free for anyone to pick up (this is simple truth), I didn't figure I needed to explain more than that. Except.. the individual kept saying my wife was stealing from her. (again... not smart on their part).
I stopped being so nice. I told them again, that once the loot timer expired loot was free for anyone to pick up, so quit crying about it.
They said it was their loot etc etc ad nauseum...
I got a little meaner.
I told them again.. once the loot timer was up, loot was fair game and to stop being a baby about it. To quit whining.
They told me to Go Away.
I told them and here I quote myself exactly...
"Why Should I? Just because you can't handle the truth?"
"Whine some more baby"
Their response...
"How would you like me to find you and kill you in real life punk?"
I took a screen shot, told them I had and told them to enjoy their ban.
Now here is where it gets interesting...
A few minutes later I get a PM ostensibly from this persons 'friend' trying to blame me for her friend making threats. Trying to say that I egged her on, and goaded her into her making the threat, and that it was MY fault her friend made the threat.
Now understand here, at NO TIME did I make ANY threat of ANY KIND to this person, either to mess with them in game, or out of game. I just called them a whinny baby (that is literally the worst I said to them) and that they couldn't handle the truth about the loot timers.
Anyway this 'friend' tried for 20 minutes or so to get me to admit that it was my fault, and that I was responsible for her 'friend' making the threat. And there fore that I was liable for her friends behavior.
One of the final statements they made was this...
'It doesn't matter what anyone says, they shouldn't get banned for it"
Now to the point of this topic.
Each person is responsible for what they say. It doesn't matter if God himself pushes you to say something, YOU are responsible for your own actions. Nobody else 'makes' you do or say anything.
At no time in this conversation with either of these 'people' did I say anything more than calling them a crybaby. Whiner. And that they were unable to handle the truth. Yet they somehow feel it is MY responsibility for THEIR behavior.
You know.. when I was a kid, it was fairly well explained to me (I had trouble sitting down more than once) that I was responsible for my own behavior. That if another kid did something I knew they were not supposed to do, and helped them with it anyway, it wasn't the other kids fault I did wrong. It was my own.
I'm not going to name names here. But I have this to say to you little whining crybaby. The only person that can make you do anything, is yourself. You are obviously a child that has not yet been taught by your parents personal responsibility for your own actions. You should be removed from your parents because they have obviously failed in their duty as a parent in teaching you this.
~Saitada
wow some people really take this game a bit to serious. an irl threat over pixels drops b:laugh not to mention a threat like that is illegal and can be reported to the police if someone really wanted to push the issue.
i had a guy threaten to come to my house and **** me irl. even got specific on exactly what he would do to me. yes i ticketed it but nothing was done.
i really hope that GM s start to enforce TOS on these sorts of people. there is no need for someone with that little control over their emotions to be playing on here.the good Starr0 -
it would be nice if you could have just submitted the ticket and not have wrote this thread. thx that is all, bye.0
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Apperently you don't know how to read. I never touched anything and the person in question was no where near the drops, they had gone on to kill other creatures. Then when my wife went and picked up the drops, they started calling my wife a thief.
Personal responsibility also means reading, and comprehending what you have read, something you just failed to do in it's entirety. What this means of course is that you, like the person I posted about, are an idiot.
~S
Interesting, I did not write that you personally picked up anything and if the other person was nowhere near, then how did they know your wife was picking up drops?
But the facts are simple -
your wife's behavior was annoying a child (you refer to the person as a kid so I will assume you are correct)
you/your wife do not stop your behavior
you target your name calling towards a child (not many adults would be offended by "cry baby" or "whiner")
It is clear to me that you deliberately antagonized a person who, in your own mind, is a child. If that is not bullying then I don't know what is. I am sure as an adult you put a lot of thought into what you were typing as opposed to this child.
It was your personal responsibility as an adult to defuse the situation. Instead you want to claim victory for outwitting a kid. You should be proud - trying to hurt some kid by calling them a cry baby.
All this for what? Drops that neither you nor your wife created. Oh well, anything to "win" a winless game.
So, go ahead and call me another name, that and your behavior towards this kid succinctly sums up the person you are.0 -
Someone once told me they were going to find me IRL, rip out my entrails, and strangle with my own spine until I was unrecognizable by my own family.
And as far as this particular occurrence goes, Yeah you were perfectly in your right to take the drops. But the best responce to an attitude from another player is a little "LOL" with your own squad, followed by you just keepin with what you were doing0 -
when i run into types like that ingame, i just go to another area with the same mobs, or come back later.....time for them to take a ...
b:chucklePegasi - Lost City wrote: »In response to the first post... uh....
You really should have just stuffed a cotton ball in it when they kept at you like that. There is such a thing called a blacklist and considering you are on a PvE server you don't have to worry about being on their KoS list later. You could have prevented the whole escalation by shutting up and walking away but no, you did what just about any kid does on any game, you fought back, thinking that being a jerk and demoralizing them would shut them up and you would walk away with a victory stamp.
You are both at fault in the ToS for being verbally abusive to one another.
Loot has a timer on it, this is true, if it times out and the person who dropped it is half a mile away, by all means pick it up. If the person who killed the mob is standing on it they may be trying to open up a slot to get it.
Summary, OP could have done their part and just stopped responding. You could have sat there and waited for them to say something stupid, but if I were the GM looking over what happened you would both be in trouble.
EDIT: Thought I should put this in here just to clarify because the ToS on the website applies to the games as well as the whole website.
Under #10 User Content part A
"User Content that is unlawful, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, indecent, lewd, suggestive, harassing, threatening, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, abusive, inflammatory, fraudulent or otherwise objectionable;"[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Calain - Dreamweaver wrote: »Interesting, I did not write that you personally picked up anything and if the other person was nowhere near, then how did they know your wife was picking up drops?
But the facts are simple -
your wife's behavior was annoying a child (you refer to the person as a kid so I will assume you are correct)
you/your wife do not stop your behavior
you target your name calling towards a child (not many adults would be offended by "cry baby" or "whiner")
It is clear to me that you deliberately antagonized a person who, in your own mind, is a child. If that is not bullying then I don't know what is. I am sure as an adult you put a lot of thought into what you were typing as opposed to this child.
It was your personal responsibility as an adult to defuse the situation. Instead you want to claim victory for outwitting a kid. You should be proud - trying to hurt some kid by calling them a cry baby.
All this for what? Drops that neither you nor your wife created. Oh well, anything to "win" a winless game.
So, go ahead and call me another name, that and your behavior towards this kid succinctly sums up the person you are.
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok so i'm on my Sin helping my wife while we are looking for a particular mob. Another character is running around killing things, and not picking up their loot. My wife picks up the stuff (obviously the loot timer has expired) and this other player calls my wife a Thief (wrong move) for picking up loot that is 'free for all'.
Now.. as most of you know, most of the mobs in the new TB area don't agro unless you smack them, and they don't normally have a group agro response. Such was the case here, I could whack-a-mob right next to it's brother and it's brother wouldn't agro.. so there was no mob agro excuse for not picking up their loot right away if they wanted it.
Being nice, I first said that once the loot timer was up, the loot was free for anyone to pick up (this is simple truth), I didn't figure I needed to explain more than that. Except.. the individual kept saying my wife was stealing from her. (again... not smart on their part).
I stopped being so nice. I told them again, that once the loot timer expired loot was free for anyone to pick up, so quit crying about it.
They said it was their loot etc etc ad nauseum...
I got a little meaner.
I told them again.. once the loot timer was up, loot was fair game and to stop being a baby about it. To quit whining.
They told me to Go Away.
I told them and here I quote myself exactly...
"Why Should I? Just because you can't handle the truth?"
"Whine some more baby"
Their response...
"How would you like me to find you and kill you in real life punk?"
I took a screen shot, told them I had and told them to enjoy their ban.
Now here is where it gets interesting...
A few minutes later I get a PM ostensibly from this persons 'friend' trying to blame me for her friend making threats. Trying to say that I egged her on, and goaded her into her making the threat, and that it was MY fault her friend made the threat.
Now understand here, at NO TIME did I make ANY threat of ANY KIND to this person, either to mess with them in game, or out of game. I just called them a whinny baby (that is literally the worst I said to them) and that they couldn't handle the truth about the loot timers.
Anyway this 'friend' tried for 20 minutes or so to get me to admit that it was my fault, and that I was responsible for her 'friend' making the threat. And there fore that I was liable for her friends behavior.
One of the final statements they made was this...
'It doesn't matter what anyone says, they shouldn't get banned for it"
Now to the point of this topic.
Each person is responsible for what they say. It doesn't matter if God himself pushes you to say something, YOU are responsible for your own actions. Nobody else 'makes' you do or say anything.
At no time in this conversation with either of these 'people' did I say anything more than calling them a crybaby. Whiner. And that they were unable to handle the truth. Yet they somehow feel it is MY responsibility for THEIR behavior.
You know.. when I was a kid, it was fairly well explained to me (I had trouble sitting down more than once) that I was responsible for my own behavior. That if another kid did something I knew they were not supposed to do, and helped them with it anyway, it wasn't the other kids fault I did wrong. It was my own.
I'm not going to name names here. But I have this to say to you little whining crybaby. The only person that can make you do anything, is yourself. You are obviously a child that has not yet been taught by your parents personal responsibility for your own actions. You should be removed from your parents because they have obviously failed in their duty as a parent in teaching you this.
~Saitada
and this ladys and gentleman is why you play pvp servers b:laughALL SHALL FEAR MY WRATH AND MY.......SNUGGLES?b:puzzled0 -
Pegasi - Lost City wrote: »In response to the first post... uh....
You really should have just stuffed a cotton ball in it when they kept at you like that. There is such a thing called a blacklist and considering you are on a PvE server you don't have to worry about being on their KoS list later. You could have prevented the whole escalation by shutting up and walking away but no, you did what just about any kid does on any game, you fought back, thinking that being a jerk and demoralizing them would shut them up and you would walk away with a victory stamp.
You are both at fault in the ToS for being verbally abusive to one another.
Loot has a timer on it, this is true, if it times out and the person who dropped it is half a mile away, by all means pick it up. If the person who killed the mob is standing on it they may be trying to open up a slot to get it.
Summary, OP could have done their part and just stopped responding. You could have sat there and waited for them to say something stupid, but if I were the GM looking over what happened you would both be in trouble.
EDIT: Thought I should put this in here just to clarify because the ToS on the website applies to the games as well as the whole website.
Under #10 User Content part A
"User Content that is unlawful, libelous, defamatory, obscene, pornographic, indecent, lewd, suggestive, harassing, threatening, invasive of privacy or publicity rights, abusive, inflammatory, fraudulent or otherwise objectionable;"
^ This ^
Conclusion: Y'all need to grow up...I'm not there to make you survive in PWI, that's your job
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok so i'm on my Sin helping my wife while we are looking for a particular mob. Another character is running around killing things, and not picking up their loot. My wife picks up the stuff (obviously the loot timer has expired) and this other player calls my wife a Thief (wrong move) for picking up loot that is 'free for all'.
Now.. as most of you know, most of the mobs in the new TB area don't agro unless you smack them, and they don't normally have a group agro response. Such was the case here, I could whack-a-mob right next to it's brother and it's brother wouldn't agro.. so there was no mob agro excuse for not picking up their loot right away if they wanted it.
Being nice, I first said that once the loot timer was up, the loot was free for anyone to pick up (this is simple truth), I didn't figure I needed to explain more than that. Except.. the individual kept saying my wife was stealing from her. (again... not smart on their part).
I stopped being so nice. I told them again, that once the loot timer expired loot was free for anyone to pick up, so quit crying about it.
They said it was their loot etc etc ad nauseum...
I got a little meaner.
I told them again.. once the loot timer was up, loot was fair game and to stop being a baby about it. To quit whining.
They told me to Go Away.
I told them and here I quote myself exactly...
"Why Should I? Just because you can't handle the truth?"
"Whine some more baby"
Their response...
"How would you like me to find you and kill you in real life punk?"
I took a screen shot, told them I had and told them to enjoy their ban.
Now here is where it gets interesting...
A few minutes later I get a PM ostensibly from this persons 'friend' trying to blame me for her friend making threats. Trying to say that I egged her on, and goaded her into her making the threat, and that it was MY fault her friend made the threat.
Now understand here, at NO TIME did I make ANY threat of ANY KIND to this person, either to mess with them in game, or out of game. I just called them a whinny baby (that is literally the worst I said to them) and that they couldn't handle the truth about the loot timers.
Anyway this 'friend' tried for 20 minutes or so to get me to admit that it was my fault, and that I was responsible for her 'friend' making the threat. And there fore that I was liable for her friends behavior.
One of the final statements they made was this...
'It doesn't matter what anyone says, they shouldn't get banned for it"
Now to the point of this topic.
Each person is responsible for what they say. It doesn't matter if God himself pushes you to say something, YOU are responsible for your own actions. Nobody else 'makes' you do or say anything.
At no time in this conversation with either of these 'people' did I say anything more than calling them a crybaby. Whiner. And that they were unable to handle the truth. Yet they somehow feel it is MY responsibility for THEIR behavior.
You know.. when I was a kid, it was fairly well explained to me (I had trouble sitting down more than once) that I was responsible for my own behavior. That if another kid did something I knew they were not supposed to do, and helped them with it anyway, it wasn't the other kids fault I did wrong. It was my own.
I'm not going to name names here. But I have this to say to you little whining crybaby. The only person that can make you do anything, is yourself. You are obviously a child that has not yet been taught by your parents personal responsibility for your own actions. You should be removed from your parents because they have obviously failed in their duty as a parent in teaching you this.
~Saitada
As a veteran player, I would not even bother to argue and just move on. Why are you reasoning with them in the first place?
If they complains that you are stealing, let them qqmoar in the forums or whatever. If a GM ever pms you, just tell him you picked up the loot, and move on already.
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*sighs* I see from some of the responses here that there are many people who seem to thing it is ok to make threats to others just because your on the Internet. That people who do that shouldn't be held responsible for their behavior. Some of you even implied that if I take such threats seriously something must be wrong with me...
Without going into any great details, both my wife and I have dealt with people who have made threats like this over the internet, and then acted to back them up. I've shoved a shotgun in ones face when he showed up on my door step and begged him to make a move that would allow me to use it while we waited for the Police to get there.
If you think for one second I wouldn't have blown his head off. You better think again. The individual (from a forum I ran) tracked me down using publicly available information, and came to my house thinking he was going to 'kick that old guys ****' for banning him from my forums for threatening to **** women from my forums. He was 17 and is still in prison 10 years later and will be for another 20 or so before he 'might' get a chance at parole (seems he actually carried through with his threats more than once, and did in fact assault a couple women from other forums he went too).
So do I take these types of threats seriously? Yes I do, regardless of what they are over. Did I goad this individual into making such an over the top threat? No I did not. They made the choice to make such an over the top threat over being called a baby and a whiner, when they were acting like a baby and a whiner.
As I said, I tried to explain to them about the loot timers nicely (more than once actually, before I stopped trying so nice about it), figuring they were new and didn't know. They got nasty with me and continued to call my wife a thief for picking up their drops when they were no where near the drops (i.e. my wife was on one side of where lucius the whatsit walks around, and they were on the other side of it killing mobs). They apparently saw drops gone then ran around and started calling people thieves (not just my wife btw).
I'm not real particular about people calling me names. I have a think skin, but disrespect my wife and we have issues.
For you people who think I started the issue, you need to read more carefully. For you who think I was responsible for the other persons behavior.. seriously? Your mentally handicapped and should stop licking windows, Windex is bad for you ok?. Causes brain damage and you can't afford any more.. you have too much already.
How I am on the forums, loud, rude and brash, is almost totally different than how I am in game. I am far more helpful in game, more tolerant up to a point with how people act, and less inclined to get pissy with people over their nasty behavior. It is a game after all, and I don't particularly have time to suffer the stupidities of idiots while I play it. I'm there to have fun, not engage in a war of wits with unarmed idiots.
Those who know me in game, know me well enough to know I keep my word. If I say I am going to do something, I do it. If I promise to help someone I keep the promise. If I am asked for help and have the time I am always happy to help where I can regardless of who is asking for the most part.
I go out of my way to explain game mechanics to people to help them learn how to play better, and even explain to players nicely about KSing etc and why it's not really very nice or good to do if they are doing it. Usually I get positive responses and my friends list is over flowing, but occasionally, I get responses like the one I posted about that just leave me scratching my head wondering wtf the person was thinking.
So for you who think I am responsible for another players bad behavior...
Your idiots and your thinking is why we have people suing others for falling down on their property because they couldn't be assed to look where they were walking and wining. Your type of thinking is a plague on this world, and I personally wish you would just wake up and pull your head out of your asses.
For those of you who agree that the person in question was over the top and such behavior should not be acceptable at all, it's nice to see some people who use their brains in this world, it really is.
This planet has gone to far over in blaming others for our own actions, pointing the finger and refusing to take responsibility for our own actions and behaviors. Unlike some, I do take responsibility for my actions. If my bad behavior nets me a ban, or I break a rule and get a ban, I accept my punishment for my bad behavior (I point out to my recent ban for breaking the forum rules inadvertently.. hadn't meant to break them, but I did, and had no issues with my ban for it. I broke the rules, I suffered the consequences, nuff said). So take responsibility for your own behavior. Nobody 'makes' you do anything. You choose to do it.
Oh and one last thing here. I have no problem with letting people know where I live and what I look like. If they are dumb enough to come pay me a visit, they deserve exactly what they get from it.
~Saitada0 -
Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »*sighs* I see from some of the responses here that there are many people who seem to thing it is ok to make threats to others just because your on the Internet. That people who do that shouldn't be held responsible for their behavior. Some of you even implied that if I take such threats seriously something must be wrong with me...
Without going into any great details, both my wife and I have dealt with people who have made threats like this over the internet, and then acted to back them up. I've shoved a shotgun in ones face when he showed up on my door step and begged him to make a move that would allow me to use it while we waited for the Police to get there.
If you think for one second I wouldn't have blown his head off. You better think again. The individual (from a forum I ran) tracked me down using publicly available information, and came to my house thinking he was going to 'kick that old guys ****' for banning him from my forums for threatening to **** women from my forums. He was 17 and is still in prison 10 years later and will be for another 20 or so before he 'might' get a chance at parole (seems he actually carried through with his threats more than once, and did in fact assault a couple women from other forums he went too).
So do I take these types of threats seriously? Yes I do, regardless of what they are over. Did I goad this individual into making such an over the top threat? No I did not. They made the choice to make such an over the top threat over being called a baby and a whiner, when they were acting like a baby and a whiner.
As I said, I tried to explain to them about the loot timers nicely (more than once actually, before I stopped trying so nice about it), figuring they were new and didn't know. They got nasty with me and continued to call my wife a thief for picking up their drops when they were no where near the drops (i.e. my wife was on one side of where lucius the whatsit walks around, and they were on the other side of it killing mobs). They apparently saw drops gone then ran around and started calling people thieves (not just my wife btw).
I'm not real particular about people calling me names. I have a think skin, but disrespect my wife and we have issues.
For you people who think I started the issue, you need to read more carefully. For you who think I was responsible for the other persons behavior.. seriously? Your mentally handicapped and should stop licking windows, Windex is bad for you ok?. Causes brain damage and you can't afford any more.. you have too much already.
How I am on the forums, loud, rude and brash, is almost totally different than how I am in game. I am far more helpful in game, more tolerant up to a point with how people act, and less inclined to get pissy with people over their nasty behavior. It is a game after all, and I don't particularly have time to suffer the stupidities of idiots while I play it. I'm there to have fun, not engage in a war of wits with unarmed idiots.
Those who know me in game, know me well enough to know I keep my word. If I say I am going to do something, I do it. If I promise to help someone I keep the promise. If I am asked for help and have the time I am always happy to help where I can regardless of who is asking for the most part.
I go out of my way to explain game mechanics to people to help them learn how to play better, and even explain to players nicely about KSing etc and why it's not really very nice or good to do if they are doing it. Usually I get positive responses and my friends list is over flowing, but occasionally, I get responses like the one I posted about that just leave me scratching my head wondering wtf the person was thinking.
So for you who think I am responsible for another players bad behavior...
Your idiots and your thinking is why we have people suing others for falling down on their property because they couldn't be assed to look where they were walking and wining. Your type of thinking is a plague on this world, and I personally wish you would just wake up and pull your head out of your asses.
For those of you who agree that the person in question was over the top and such behavior should not be acceptable at all, it's nice to see some people who use their brains in this world, it really is.
This planet has gone to far over in blaming others for our own actions, pointing the finger and refusing to take responsibility for our own actions and behaviors. Unlike some, I do take responsibility for my actions. If my bad behavior nets me a ban, or I break a rule and get a ban, I accept my punishment for my bad behavior (I point out to my recent ban for breaking the forum rules inadvertently.. hadn't meant to break them, but I did, and had no issues with my ban for it. I broke the rules, I suffered the consequences, nuff said). So take responsibility for your own behavior. Nobody 'makes' you do anything. You choose to do it.
Oh and one last thing here. I have no problem with letting people know where I live and what I look like. If they are dumb enough to come pay me a visit, they deserve exactly what they get from it.
~Saitada
This is very well put and I agree with it. ++Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, ambition inspired, and success achieved. --- Helen Keller
"For the people who love to complain, whine, cry, and moan over every little detail of their life. Build a bridge and get over it. Or I'll push you in the river you made."
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while I agree that there comes a day and age when one must own up to their actions, I still wonder why you felt as though (even from the start) you needed to justify your side of the story? Its pretty much irrelevant to the point that you're supposedly trying to make - that people should accept responsibility for their actions. In my opinion, its like you're screaming "I'm a victim! I did nothing to deserve this!" Regardless of whether or not you feel as though your actions warranted this threat (and I will honestly say that they do not, from what you have told us) you must realize something.. If the person is infact a child - you can't honestly expect them to simply say "oh, okay" and go on about their merry way.
This person, if they were a total newb to the game, may perhaps have been under the assumption that whatever dropped did belong to him, and that no one else would have been able to pick it up. That being said, he may likely have been of the mind that "hey, I'll go kill the mobs for this quest, then go pick up my drops". Of course this is merely speculation, but you can't yourself state positively otherwise. There's a plethora of reasons why a newbie would feel robbed if someone picked up their drops, namely one from my sister when she first started playing was the question "isn't it general etiquette to leave another player's drops alone if they are still in the vicinity" One would assume that if the world was made up of honest people that this would in fact happen. However, reality and game mechanics do prove otherwise. However, I can certainly see the kid being fully justified in calling someone a thief for taking "their drops" - be they in the area or not. After all, they are a newbie right?
Moving along, now. You stated that you calmly explained to him the game mechanics of drops. Very decent of you. Did either you or your wife offer to give them back to the person in good faith, with the future warning that if they keep on leaving drops, they will keep getting them taken? If not.. this further compels the person to label your wife a thief, especially in the mindset of a child. After all, would you not in real life shout that someone is a thief if they pocketed an item that you set down somewhere? Something which you put your own work into, that they did nothing to deserve, the person now profiting off your loss.
Now, at first you said simply "called my wife a thief (bad move)". Two things happened here. A) you've let your emotions get the best of you. As a respectable adult, you have the personal responsibility of keeping your emotions in line.
you've changed your story now. Whereas before it was made out to be "my wife", it is now "random people, not just my wife". I wonder what you, out of all the other people, did to be the one to get a death threat over the internet. We know by your own admission that you stooped to the level of a child and started name calling in like. Perhaps, just perhaps, do you think it at all possible that this may have been the thing that pushed the person, who was already irate, over the edge?
Now, I am not at all defending or justifying as right what the person said or did. I am, however, asking you to look at what your own part in this was. To take a look at what you could have done better, or could have not done - to avoid this entire situation. I'm sorry, but I don't exactly see you as being an innocent victim in this situation - considering the circumstances of what you have yourself told us. Yes, people do need to take responsibility for their actions - but I don't exactly see that long winded story as being the best way to go about getting that point across. Not when there's things you could have done better yourself. Best thing to do - ignore em and move along. You already took advantage of a game mechanic in order to do what, in the real world, would be called theft. Here, its a game. You're like never to meet the person in real life. Don't stress over some dude that is who knows where calling your wife a virtual thief. The headache of internet arguments just isn't worth it.
that or...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »*sighs* I see from some of the responses here that there are many people who seem to thing it is ok to make threats to others just because your on the Internet. That people who do that shouldn't be held responsible for their behavior. Some of you even implied that if I take such threats seriously something must be wrong with me...
Without going into any great details, both my wife and I have dealt with people who have made threats like this over the internet, and then acted to back them up. I've shoved a shotgun in ones face when he showed up on my door step and begged him to make a move that would allow me to use it while we waited for the Police to get there.
If you think for one second I wouldn't have blown his head off. You better think again. The individual (from a forum I ran) tracked me down using publicly available information, and came to my house thinking he was going to 'kick that old guys ****' for banning him from my forums for threatening to **** women from my forums. He was 17 and is still in prison 10 years later and will be for another 20 or so before he 'might' get a chance at parole (seems he actually carried through with his threats more than once, and did in fact assault a couple women from other forums he went too).
So do I take these types of threats seriously? Yes I do, regardless of what they are over. Did I goad this individual into making such an over the top threat? No I did not. They made the choice to make such an over the top threat over being called a baby and a whiner, when they were acting like a baby and a whiner.
As I said, I tried to explain to them about the loot timers nicely (more than once actually, before I stopped trying so nice about it), figuring they were new and didn't know. They got nasty with me and continued to call my wife a thief for picking up their drops when they were no where near the drops (i.e. my wife was on one side of where lucius the whatsit walks around, and they were on the other side of it killing mobs). They apparently saw drops gone then ran around and started calling people thieves (not just my wife btw).
I'm not real particular about people calling me names. I have a think skin, but disrespect my wife and we have issues.
For you people who think I started the issue, you need to read more carefully. For you who think I was responsible for the other persons behavior.. seriously? Your mentally handicapped and should stop licking windows, Windex is bad for you ok?. Causes brain damage and you can't afford any more.. you have too much already.
How I am on the forums, loud, rude and brash, is almost totally different than how I am in game. I am far more helpful in game, more tolerant up to a point with how people act, and less inclined to get pissy with people over their nasty behavior. It is a game after all, and I don't particularly have time to suffer the stupidities of idiots while I play it. I'm there to have fun, not engage in a war of wits with unarmed idiots.
Those who know me in game, know me well enough to know I keep my word. If I say I am going to do something, I do it. If I promise to help someone I keep the promise. If I am asked for help and have the time I am always happy to help where I can regardless of who is asking for the most part.
I go out of my way to explain game mechanics to people to help them learn how to play better, and even explain to players nicely about KSing etc and why it's not really very nice or good to do if they are doing it. Usually I get positive responses and my friends list is over flowing, but occasionally, I get responses like the one I posted about that just leave me scratching my head wondering wtf the person was thinking.
So for you who think I am responsible for another players bad behavior...
Your idiots and your thinking is why we have people suing others for falling down on their property because they couldn't be assed to look where they were walking and wining. Your type of thinking is a plague on this world, and I personally wish you would just wake up and pull your head out of your asses.
For those of you who agree that the person in question was over the top and such behavior should not be acceptable at all, it's nice to see some people who use their brains in this world, it really is.
This planet has gone to far over in blaming others for our own actions, pointing the finger and refusing to take responsibility for our own actions and behaviors. Unlike some, I do take responsibility for my actions. If my bad behavior nets me a ban, or I break a rule and get a ban, I accept my punishment for my bad behavior (I point out to my recent ban for breaking the forum rules inadvertently.. hadn't meant to break them, but I did, and had no issues with my ban for it. I broke the rules, I suffered the consequences, nuff said). So take responsibility for your own behavior. Nobody 'makes' you do anything. You choose to do it.
Oh and one last thing here. I have no problem with letting people know where I live and what I look like. If they are dumb enough to come pay me a visit, they deserve exactly what they get from it.
~Saitada
this so called "adult" is still calling everyone idiots among other things.0 -
You, of all people dare be offended? I've seen you taunt people on this forum telling them they should cut their wrists, etc... to me that is the same as standing there and giving them a knife.
I do however; agree that when the timer runs out, its free for all. However; I do think its a cheap shot when someone is trying to kill 2 that have been aggro and they just can't pick their first drop up in time.
Whiners exist, so do crybabies. People who threaten others or encourage others to inflict bodily harm exist to.
Just .. you of all people to QQ about a threat.. I am amazed.0 -
Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »*sighs* I see from some of the responses here that there are many people who seem to thing it is ok to make threats to others just because your on the Internet. That people who do that shouldn't be held responsible for their behavior. Some of you even implied that if I take such threats seriously something must be wrong with me...
Without going into any great details, both my wife and I have dealt with people who have made threats like this over the internet, and then acted to back them up. I've shoved a shotgun in ones face when he showed up on my door step and begged him to make a move that would allow me to use it while we waited for the Police to get there.
- I think this is serious and both you and your wife (maybe) has attitude problems and the other party is just as bad. Perhaps, before starting another conflict the next time, move on instead of arguing with people which will inevitably, end up with another fight.
I dun see that it is worth it.
If you think for one second I wouldn't have blown his head off. You better think again. The individual (from a forum I ran) tracked me down using publicly available information, and came to my house thinking he was going to 'kick that old guys ****' for banning him from my forums for threatening to **** women from my forums. He was 17 and is still in prison 10 years later and will be for another 20 or so before he 'might' get a chance at parole (seems he actually carried through with his threats more than once, and did in fact assault a couple women from other forums he went too).
-If you have ignored blown his head off, you arent in any better position, one that pays violence with more violence. If I receive threads like this on my forums, I would have notified the authorities when the first threat comes.
So do I take these types of threats seriously? Yes I do, regardless of what they are over. Did I goad this individual into making such an over the top threat? No I did not. They made the choice to make such an over the top threat over being called a baby and a whiner, when they were acting like a baby and a whiner.
- In a way, you did goad them, as opposed to what you may say. By simply keeping your mouth shut and move on, you would have averted the whole incident. 3 times you have goaded them on or so I read.
As I said, I tried to explain to them about the loot timers nicely (more than once actually, before I stopped trying so nice about it), figuring they were new and didn't know. They got nasty with me and continued to call my wife a thief for picking up their drops when they were no where near the drops (i.e. my wife was on one side of where lucius the whatsit walks around, and they were on the other side of it killing mobs). They apparently saw drops gone then ran around and started calling people thieves (not just my wife btw).
- If someone doesn't get it on the first time, tell them that you will move on and submit a ticket to GM if it pleases them. And when you have somthing taken away from you, your first reaction would to call that person a thief too.
I'm not real particular about people calling me names. I have a think skin, but disrespect my wife and we have issues.
For you people who think I started the issue, you need to read more carefully. For you who think I was responsible for the other persons behavior.. seriously? Your mentally handicapped and should stop licking windows, Windex is bad for you ok?. Causes brain damage and you can't afford any more.. you have too much already.
How I am on the forums, loud, rude and brash, is almost totally different than how I am in game. I am far more helpful in game, more tolerant up to a point with how people act, and less inclined to get pissy with people over their nasty behavior. It is a game after all, and I don't particularly have time to suffer the stupidities of idiots while I play it. I'm there to have fun, not engage in a war of wits with unarmed idiots.
Those who know me in game, know me well enough to know I keep my word. If I say I am going to do something, I do it. If I promise to help someone I keep the promise. If I am asked for help and have the time I am always happy to help where I can regardless of who is asking for the most part.
I go out of my way to explain game mechanics to people to help them learn how to play better, and even explain to players nicely about KSing etc and why it's not really very nice or good to do if they are doing it. Usually I get positive responses and my friends list is over flowing, but occasionally, I get responses like the one I posted about that just leave me scratching my head wondering wtf the person was thinking.
So for you who think I am responsible for another players bad behavior...
Your idiots and your thinking is why we have people suing others for falling down on their property because they couldn't be assed to look where they were walking and wining. Your type of thinking is a plague on this world, and I personally wish you would just wake up and pull your head out of your asses.
For those of you who agree that the person in question was over the top and such behavior should not be acceptable at all, it's nice to see some people who use their brains in this world, it really is.
This planet has gone to far over in blaming others for our own actions, pointing the finger and refusing to take responsibility for our own actions and behaviors. Unlike some, I do take responsibility for my actions. If my bad behavior nets me a ban, or I break a rule and get a ban, I accept my punishment for my bad behavior (I point out to my recent ban for breaking the forum rules inadvertently.. hadn't meant to break them, but I did, and had no issues with my ban for it. I broke the rules, I suffered the consequences, nuff said). So take responsibility for your own behavior. Nobody 'makes' you do anything. You choose to do it.
Oh and one last thing here. I have no problem with letting people know where I live and what I look like. If they are dumb enough to come pay me a visit, they deserve exactly what they get from it.
~Saitada
- Seriously this whole chunk of text just shows you have anger management problems. It may stemmed from the fact from real life issues or you are having issues with life itself.
You are unable to let go and you feel the need to 'win' an arguement when someone starts one. This itself, is a problem which I believe, you have faced numerous times in life.
In the game, you thought you would escaped from confrontations, but little did you know, that virtual reality is like a depictation of real life.
I would really suggest you to seek help in real life, professional help.
For someone writing this chunk of text, thinking that the whole world is acting aginst them, has serious issue with life that they are unable to accept, resulting in low tolerance and a slight irritation could spark a chain reaction.
If you think that what I am saying here is c r a p, you are more than welcome to ignore it.
But if you recognize this issues and seek help, it's the first step to a better life. Good luck.
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heh ironic coming from sai...nevermind0
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You know, I'm backing Saitada 100% on this. There might have been some name calling involved, but sticks and stones. Death threats are another thing entirely.
From what I've read, the majority of the posts pretty much say that if you're made fun of at school, then it's ok to take an automatic weapon, a few clips of ammo, and go to town on your classmates.Also Known As: Sora_Kaiyou
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He's calling the idiots idiots, which is just fine. He is also pointing out that threats are threats, regardless of the forum or manner in which they are made. Especially since similar threats have come to fruition against him in the past.
Running your mouth on the internet is one thing, making threats against people's lives, or threats of inflicting harm against against them are more than trash talk.
the internet is something that exists in the real world, and things that happen on the internet can have real life consequences.
I agree 100% with Saitada, and so does the law.
If you cant act right with other people, then you should be removed from where other people are, be it a ban from the game in this case, or jail in real life, that's the way things work.
Or maybe Charles mason should have his sentence commuted because all he really did was say some disagreeable things, he could stay in your extra bedroom or garage right? It was just talk after all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »You, of all people dare be offended? I've seen you taunt people on this forum telling them they should cut their wrists, etc... to me that is the same as standing there and giving them a knife.
I do however; agree that when the timer runs out, its free for all. However; I do think its a cheap shot when someone is trying to kill 2 that have been aggro and they just can't pick their first drop up in time.
Whiners exist, so do crybabies. People who threaten others or encourage others to inflict bodily harm exist to.
Just .. you of all people to QQ about a threat.. I am amazed.
Not only have I told people they should slash their wrists, I have handed them a knife to do it with in real life. Yes. I said that. Friend of mine kept screaming he was going to kill himself because his life was just so terrible etc. I told him if it's so bad, here (handed him the knife) slash your wrists and end your misery, otherwise get off your **** and do something about it.
He is still alive. If he had slashed his wrists, oh well. The world would be less one more idiot and no great loss at that.
That is how I think. Cold? Nasty? Hateful? Maybe. But I don't suffer fools well and have little time to cater to some cry baby wanting to blame everyone else for their mistakes in life.
Anyway, I'm off to do other things. This thread has basically ran it's course and doesn't need any more of my attention. I have said what I wanted to say, and there is no need to keep repeating it to people who don't have the ability to grasp it.
~Saitada0 -
What we need to remember is that on the other side of the monitor is a very real person. A very real person who may very well have very real intentions to carry out a threat they make.
Just because the threat is pixels, that does not make it any less of a threat. When somebody yells a threat at you, all that threat is, is air. Do you take it any less seriously? I wouldn't think so.
When it comes to the original point of this topic, that threat did not need to be made and regardless of what caused it, it was a threat. An unreasonable one at that. To have somebody then try and say that nobody should be banned for such a thing is lunacy - if you threaten to kill somebody in real life they can report you to the police and they will treat you like you meant it. You learn this in school - if you threaten somebody you are dealt with. You are responsible for what you say.
This does of course mean that Sai did technically goad this other player. Not necessarily at first - but when the name calling started on both sides that is when the goading began.
The thing is, in relation to the original point of this thread, Sai has openly admitted the name calling, thus taking responsibility for what he said. He hasn't run around asking his friends to excuse him for what he said, unlike the other player. Responsibility has, mostly, been taken.
The whole thing could have been avoided if either of the two participants had just turned the other cheek, but sadly life isn't like that. To say if you had done this it would have been avoided is more pointless than I care to think about, because it's already done and over with. Although it's good advice for the future.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Not only have I told people they should slash their wrists, I have handed them a knife to do it with in real life.
~Saitada
you see .... This is the instigator. This is the person that makes people want to kill other people. This is pure evil.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
DollParts - Sanctuary wrote: »you see .... This is the instigator. This is the person that makes people want to kill other people. This is pure evil.
me has to disagree.
you do not understand teh concept of true evil.
b:avoid
although it exists in the more "modernized" parts of human society,
Me would highly suggest you travel more to other "3rd world countries" (is that term correct?)
as it can be found in a slightly clearer way. (yet not much clearer so me would understand if you do not grasp the concept at first.)
o.O
b:thanks
Me has already scanned Saitada's personality traits and tendencies....he be a decent person inside actually.
he merely has a more rough forceful way of getting his point across....which be a really good thing. b:thanks
(when used in the correct manner of course with the correct mindset.)hemoglobin: idk how the hell you can turn the word burrito into something sexual. perversion at its finest
b:shocked
Nastassiya - Sanctuary
A clone of MagicHamsta... wow. He's original but you're not.
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wow thats pretty good and yeah some people are just that way your always ganna have people like that anywhere you go and i love ur evil inside thats funnyb:pleased0
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DollParts - Sanctuary wrote: »you see .... This is the instigator. This is the person that makes people want to kill other people. This is pure evil.
DollParts, your obviously not a very intelligent person. You obviously have a singular lack of an ability to use the gray matter between your ears to think with, and you obviously don't take responsibility for your own actions because 'someone else made me you do it'.
You are much like the little crybaby I posted about. You are unable to take responsibility for your behavior or you assume others shouldn't be held accountable for their behavior.
Seeing as you decided to pull one line out of my post to attempt to make your point, let me explain to you that this friend of mine I am referring to, had been doing this for years just to get sympathy from others. He never made any attempts to change what he was doing, that kept making his life a living hell, but he was very vocal about claiming he was going to kill himself.
After YEARS of this and trying to get him to go get help, I finally had enough, and called his bluff. As I said, he is alive to this day (and actually doing very well). We are still friends, and he doesn't hesitate to tell me that had I not done as I did, he would never have gone to get help.
Of course there are a lot more details not included here, but regardless of the fine print, if he HAD slashed his wrists, I would have gotten him help immediately but if he had died, I wouldn't have mourned his death at all. He would have proven right there that he wasn't worth the time and effort I and many others had put into trying to get him help over the years.
Am I evil for handing him a knife when all he did was cry and scream and not make a single effort on his own behalf to help himself when me and his family bent over backwards trying to help him? No I don't think so at all. Cold and Callous maybe. Tough love isn't always 'nice' and 'feel good' and sometimes people need to have reality smack them hard in the face before they wake up and get a clue.
~Saitada0 -
SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »He's calling the idiots idiots, which is just fine. He is also pointing out that threats are threats, regardless of the forum or manner in which they are made. Especially since similar threats have come to fruition against him in the past.
Running your mouth on the internet is one thing, making threats against people's lives, or threats of inflicting harm against against them are more than trash talk.
the internet is something that exists in the real world, and things that happen on the internet can have real life consequences.
I agree 100% with Saitada, and so does the law.
If you cant act right with other people, then you should be removed from where other people are, be it a ban from the game in this case, or jail in real life, that's the way things work.
Or maybe Charles mason should have his sentence commuted because all he really did was say some disagreeable things, he could stay in your extra bedroom or garage right? It was just talk after all.
So when someone says in game: "I'm going to **** you" we should all submit a ticket and call 911? I mean how serious should you take people?
Just for reference, I don't agree with that term in a game either. But its a point for a fact reference here.Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Not only have I told people they should slash their wrists, I have handed them a knife to do it with in real life. Yes. I said that. Friend of mine kept screaming he was going to kill himself because his life was just so terrible etc. I told him if it's so bad, here (handed him the knife) slash your wrists and end your misery, otherwise get off your **** and do something about it.
He is still alive. If he had slashed his wrists, oh well. The world would be less one more idiot and no great loss at that.
That is how I think. Cold? Nasty? Hateful? Maybe. But I don't suffer fools well and have little time to cater to some cry baby wanting to blame everyone else for their mistakes in life.
Anyway, I'm off to do other things. This thread has basically ran it's course and doesn't need any more of my attention. I have said what I wanted to say, and there is no need to keep repeating it to people who don't have the ability to grasp it.
~Saitada
Or perhaps your off to do other things due to the fact that you are the same as the person you are crying about? You in the past have prided yourself on not caring what other people have to say, yet you care about this?
I dunno, I agree with a prior post; you are the instigator. You flame, and troll and sarcastically call people cupcake. I think you came to the wrong spot for any kind of confirmation of your rightful ridicule or pity. As most who have been here any amount of time know you, and quite well.DollParts - Sanctuary wrote: »you see .... This is the instigator. This is the person that makes people want to kill other people. This is pure evil.
The person in a prior quote who was defending Sai saying that there are people on the other side of this screen needs to in fact see this statement you quoted and realize what kind of person he (sai) also is.0
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