Lack of personal responsibility

Saitada - Sanctuary

Ok so i'm on my Sin helping my wife while we are looking for a particular mob. Another character is running around killing things, and not picking up their loot. My wife picks up the stuff (obviously the loot timer has expired) and this other player calls my wife a Thief (wrong move) for picking up loot that is 'free for all'.

Now.. as most of you know, most of the mobs in the new TB area don't agro unless you smack them, and they don't normally have a group agro response. Such was the case here, I could whack-a-mob right next to it's brother and it's brother wouldn't agro.. so there was no mob agro excuse for not picking up their loot right away if they wanted it.

Being nice, I first said that once the loot timer was up, the loot was free for anyone to pick up (this is simple truth), I didn't figure I needed to explain more than that. Except.. the individual kept saying my wife was stealing from her. (again... not smart on their part).

I stopped being so nice. I told them again, that once the loot timer expired loot was free for anyone to pick up, so quit crying about it.

They said it was their loot etc etc ad nauseum...

I got a little meaner.

I told them again.. once the loot timer was up, loot was fair game and to stop being a baby about it. To quit whining.

They told me to Go Away.

I told them and here I quote myself exactly...

"Why Should I? Just because you can't handle the truth?"
"Whine some more baby"

Their response...

"How would you like me to find you and kill you in real life punk?"

I took a screen shot, told them I had and told them to enjoy their ban.

Now here is where it gets interesting...

A few minutes later I get a PM ostensibly from this persons 'friend' trying to blame me for her friend making threats. Trying to say that I egged her on, and goaded her into her making the threat, and that it was MY fault her friend made the threat.

Now understand here, at NO TIME did I make ANY threat of ANY KIND to this person, either to mess with them in game, or out of game. I just called them a whinny baby (that is literally the worst I said to them) and that they couldn't handle the truth about the loot timers.

Anyway this 'friend' tried for 20 minutes or so to get me to admit that it was my fault, and that I was responsible for her 'friend' making the threat. And there fore that I was liable for her friends behavior.

One of the final statements they made was this...

'It doesn't matter what anyone says, they shouldn't get banned for it"

Now to the point of this topic.

Each person is responsible for what they say. It doesn't matter if God himself pushes you to say something, YOU are responsible for your own actions. Nobody else 'makes' you do or say anything.

At no time in this conversation with either of these 'people' did I say anything more than calling them a crybaby. Whiner. And that they were unable to handle the truth. Yet they somehow feel it is MY responsibility for THEIR behavior.

You know.. when I was a kid, it was fairly well explained to me (I had trouble sitting down more than once) that I was responsible for my own behavior. That if another kid did something I knew they were not supposed to do, and helped them with it anyway, it wasn't the other kids fault I did wrong. It was my own.

I'm not going to name names here. But I have this to say to you little whining crybaby. The only person that can make you do anything, is yourself. You are obviously a child that has not yet been taught by your parents personal responsibility for your own actions. You should be removed from your parents because they have obviously failed in their duty as a parent in teaching you this.

~Saitada

Xanthir - Sanctuary

LOL ahahahhahaah.

That's a really freakin stupid person, to threaten you 'in real life' then try to avoid getting banned lol. Some people really don't think, do they?

Airyll - Dreamweaver

You know, I was surprised at how very rich my sin became as I ran around picking up the loot everybody else neglects to pick up. Really, I made an easy 60k with little if any effort at all. And people complain about not having any money, pah.

This aside, +1 to the OP.

If I say something, I will take responsibility for it whether I turn out wrong, right, stupid, smart or something else entirely.

Although I wouldn't go so far as to say the parents failed - it could just be that this person remained ignorant of whatever their parents taught them. So perhaps, +1 to this post if we exclude that last bit.

'It doesn't matter what anyone says, they shouldn't get banned for it"

If they really think that I want to know what planet they've been living on for the span of their life, because I doubt it was this one.

Panthalassa - Dreamweaver

Smack that noob so hard his head spins backwards and snaps. b:laugh

Tatuaje - Lost City

Sounds pretty much like a 13 year old playing the game and acts like they are some tough person.

Until the Ban card comes out and they start crying and say that its not their fault.

All I can say is, that's why I am glad I play on a PvP server.

*I agree, it is the fail of the parents in this situation. With the internet how it is now I find many parents are just ignorant to what their children are up to.

Psytrac - Raging Tide

can we gave saitada a "get of of jail free" card and let him have at the person? there are so many I'd just LOVE to do the same to..

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary

Well of course you goaded them on. Did a real good job of it too, I'd say. But so what? Goading isn't against the rules.

This reminds me of the argument commonly put forth by the idiot brigade portion of society. You know, the argument that goes something like people who wear expensive things deserve to be robbed, or people who say things they know others won't like deserve to be attacked, or people who look nice when they are alone deserve to be sexually assaulted, etc...

That's the idiot version of "personal responsibility", namely that you and I need to take personal responsibility for provoking their actions. There's no point in trying to explain to them they're wrong though, because they're idiots.

RainbowVidel - Sanctuary

I swear, I'll never understand the mentality of jerks like that. If you don't want others to pick up drops from mobs you killed, pick them up right away. Only takes a second or two. And blacklist FTW in case someone talks smack about it.

_vincent - Dreamweaver

You can tell they're a kid when they say "punk" b:chuckle.

Anyways, people should learn that if they can't blame others when it's their mistake and that it's best to just admit it.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear

I've seen Saitada's posts in the past. I'm sure he really aggravated the player to no end doing his best not to violate TOS.

Neither are most likely innocent in this case.

Tatuaje - Lost City

Here comes the screen post soon enough to prove Sait was innocent I am sure.

Why would Sait post a mini-series of a thread if he was an a$$ to the other player.

(Agreed Sait on the forums is outspoken. Does not mean he's like that in-game, I am quite nice and helpful in the game 100% of the time. b:sin)

Jonnykins - Dreamweaver

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've seen Saitada's posts in the past. I'm sure he really aggravated the player to no end doing his best not to violate TOS.

Neither are most likely innocent in this case.

I'm kinda siding with this dude sorta.

Just to say there is always two sides to the story and we've only read one

Calain - Dreamweaver

How funny, this thread is basically a long winded justification for taking another's drops and antagonizing the person into a rash action. Then, at the end you tell on that person because of an empty threat, trying to cause more harm.

Personal responsibility should have begun and ended with you. You were intentionally trying to harm another human being and for what.. drops you could easily get yourself. I would call that very clever bullying.

Guess I'm the only one that finds this double-talk about responsibility amusing.

FatherTed - Dreamweaver

Taking abandoned drops is no problem, imo. You get plenty of time to pick up your drops in this game, especially with aggro being screwy at the moment.

If someone complains, give them a quick - 'Even if they were yours, you should pick them up in time.' Anything beyond that is unneeded - just ignore them. If you continue to talk to them and insult them, then yes - you are antagonizing them. Not to justify the other guy's threats in any way. But childish name calling is never needed.

Was the OP in the wrong? Absolutely not. Could the OP have handled the situation in a more mature manner? Absolutely.

storehammy

Saitada.....why so mad?
you confoose teh hamster.
b:surrender

Saitada - Sanctuary

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've seen Saitada's posts in the past. I'm sure he really aggravated the player to no end doing his best not to violate TOS.

Neither are most likely innocent in this case.

Actually, in this particular case, I was exceptionally nice and at no time said anything more than what I described.

~S

Saitada - Sanctuary

Calain - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How funny, this thread is basically a long winded justification for taking another's drops and antagonizing the person into a rash action. Then, at the end you tell on that person because of an empty threat, trying to cause more harm.

Personal responsibility should have begun and ended with you. You were intentionally trying to harm another human being and for what.. drops you could easily get yourself. I would call that very clever bullying.

Guess I'm the only one that finds this double-talk about responsibility amusing.

Apperently you don't know how to read. I never touched anything and the person in question was no where near the drops, they had gone on to kill other creatures. Then when my wife went and picked up the drops, they started calling my wife a thief.

Personal responsibility also means reading, and comprehending what you have read, something you just failed to do in it's entirety. What this means of course is that you, like the person I posted about, are an idiot.

~S

storehammy

saitada~~~ b:surrender
you know just as well as me know.....that person be a moron.....
the drop timer is there......which means there be no excuse for leaving it like that......
b:surrender

La_Zorra - Sanctuary

Hey there,
FYI: I'm Saitada's wife, in real life, and I'm the one (well my Tideborn alt character) that got accused of being a thief by this whiny little baby of a player.

I was just farming mats while doing my quests, and there's lots and lots of loot laying around that other players just run off and leave after they've killed their mobs. I hate seeing it go to waste, so I pick it up, only AFTER they have moved on to another mob or area, and it's obvious that they are not picking their stuff up. I didn't even SEE this player, don't even know where he/she was. I tried to explain to them that I hadn't stolen anything from them, nor anyone else, but he/she just kept yelling in local chat about me being a thief, and generally acting like an idiot.

And Sai may be outspoken in the forums, but generally is NOT that way in games, unless someone starts something with him, or with me, or he sees that someone else is being bullied. He's actually very helpful to a lot of people, helping with their quests and FB's and such, or teaching someone how to play better.

Neither one of us suffers fools gladly, nor rudeness and bullying, and when this kid was screaming at me, and then threatened Sai, all that Sai said was that he was taking a screen-shot and reporting this kid, for threatening behavior. And yeah, after he had reminded this person that when people leave their loot laying around, someone else is probably gonna come along and pick it up, but this person just kept on having a major hissy-fit. So Sai told him/her to quit whining and acting like a crybaby.

You know what kid, grow up and start taking responsibility for your own ****, instead of slinging it around on other people, and trying to blame others for YOUR behavior! Yeah, and then his/her "friend" PM'd Sai and tried to backpedal and excuse his "friend's behavior. Yeah, we're not all as dumb as a box of frogs, kid.
Some of us are actually trying to play a decent game and have some fun in here!

Saitada - Sanctuary

storehammy wrote: »

saitada~~~ b:surrender
you know just as well as me know.....that person be a moron.....
the drop timer is there......which means there be no excuse for leaving it like that......
b:surrender

Yes I do, and I was very nice when I explained about the drop timer to them because I figured if they were upset about the loot being picked up, that they didn't know about the timer. I figured after telling them about it that they would have said something like "Oh I didn't know that" but instead they kept on with their tirade.

I Called them a baby, yes.. because they were acting like one. I called them a whiny baby yes.. because they were acting like one. I told them they were crying and whining because they couldn't handle that there was a loot timer. Which they were doing.

At no time did anything I said to them, warrant such an over the top response. An F-You, maybe (and I'd have laughed about it and not screen shotted them and reported them for it) But a threat like that? Naw. That is just to far over the top.

~S

p.s.

storehammy wrote: »

Saitada.....why so mad?
you confoose teh hamster.
b:surrender

Not mad in the least, I actually have been laughing about this the entire time because it's so over the top for all of 6 or 7 lines of discussion. Doesn't stop me from petitioning the behavior. People need to know that making that type of comment is not acceptable.

Dire_Straits - Raging Tide

I hope he player wasn't a phychic, they get a useful 1 minute attack buff and the player might just be trying to make the most of it.
We can't judge on who's brash who wasn't without whole conversation pictures. We can debate if its worth it to not pick up loot for the reason that killer might be taking advantage of a short term buff or take the loot as its timer is gone.

Crafty_Mama - Sanctuary

Calain - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How funny, this thread is basically a long winded justification for taking another's drops and antagonizing the person into a rash action. Then, at the end you tell on that person because of an empty threat, trying to cause more harm.

Personal responsibility should have begun and ended with you. You were intentionally trying to harm another human being and for what.. drops you could easily get yourself. I would call that very clever bullying.

Guess I'm the only one that finds this double-talk about responsibility amusing.

it wasn't im who picked the drops it was his wife.... and if you got drops you would pick it up it has a timer those who didnt kill the mob cnt just run up and take the loot so there is plenty of time to get their loot but if they didnt and continued to do whatever its only fair game.and that person has a mind of his own he doesnt have to say **** or take action hes responsible for himself. Bullying= picking on someone who can't fight back.... well it seems to me his wife was picking up loot he didnt care to get himself how is that bullying?

Tatuaje - Lost City

<wispers> I pick up drops if I notice a **** load of them lying around but only the ones that I know are good sale items like Oil. b:chuckle

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

La_Zorra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hey there,
FYI: I'm Saitada's wife, in real life, and I'm the one (well my Tideborn alt character) that got accused of being a thief by this whiny little baby of a player.

I was just farming mats while doing my quests, and there's lots and lots of loot laying around that other players just run off and leave after they've killed their mobs. I hate seeing it go to waste, so I pick it up, only AFTER they have moved on to another mob or area, and it's obvious that they are not picking their stuff up. I didn't even SEE this player, don't even know where he/she was. I tried to explain to them that I hadn't stolen anything from them, nor anyone else, but he/she just kept yelling in local chat about me being a thief, and generally acting like an idiot.

And Sai may be outspoken in the forums, but generally is NOT that way in games, unless someone starts something with him, or with me, or he sees that someone else is being bullied. He's actually very helpful to a lot of people, helping with their quests and FB's and such, or teaching someone how to play better.

Neither one of us suffers fools gladly, nor rudeness and bullying, and when this kid was screaming at me, and then threatened Sai, all that Sai said was that he was taking a screen-shot and reporting this kid, for threatening behavior. And yeah, after he had reminded this person that when people leave their loot laying around, someone else is probably gonna come along and pick it up, but this person just kept on having a major hissy-fit. So Sai told him/her to quit whining and acting like a crybaby.

You know what kid, grow up and start taking responsibility for your own ****, instead of slinging it around on other people, and trying to blame others for YOUR behavior! Yeah, and then his/her "friend" PM'd Sai and tried to backpedal and excuse his "friend's behavior. Yeah, we're not all as dumb as a box of frogs, kid.
Some of us are actually trying to play a decent game and have some fun in here!

If what you say is true, and you really are Sai's IRL wife...you married a wise man. Sure, he's a little direct and rash sometimes...but damn it all, he gets his point across. Good show.

Anywho, +1 to yet another one of Sai's sense-making threads. I dunno what's been goin' on to make you less "angry-flamey" and more "angry-sense-making"...y...but I like it.

storehammy

b:beg
La_Zorra
convince Saitada to get a pet hamster.
b:beg
we need homes too.
=(

Saitada - Sanctuary

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If what you say is true, and you really are Sai's IRL wife...you married a wise man. Sure, he's a little direct and rash sometimes...but damn it all, he gets his point across. Good show.

Anywho, +1 to yet another one of Sai's sense-making threads. I dunno what's been goin' on to make you less "angry-flamey" and more "angry-sense-making"...y...but I like it.

Yeah she is my wife, we got Married in the 'Iao Valley Oct. 18th of this year. 3rd time for me. You know the saying third time is a charm? She is.

~S

p.s. I'm saving the fuel in my Flame Thrower for when it is really needed.. you know, conservation of energy and all that stuff lol.

Panthalassa - Dreamweaver

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

3rd time for me.

Not really something to brag about, but gratz? b:sweat

La_Zorra - Sanctuary

FYI: There was no one around even close to me when I was picking stuff up, and I never even SAW this guy. He just started yelling all his **** in local chat! I quite often do pick up stuff that people have gone off and LEFT, which I have already mentioned.......if you had actually bothered to read my whole post, and are capable of understanding it, you wouldn't be making excuses for him/her, by saying I should have waited LONGER 'cause, gee, they might be busy, or distracted. THERE WAS NO ONE THERE! Not trying to be rude, but it seems that some of you are not understanding my point, in that THERE WAS NO ONE AROUND ME, so how could I be more considerate of....who? Mr. Ghost?

And yes, I AM Sai's real-life wife, lol, and we live in Hawai'i ~

Saitada - Sanctuary

Panthalassa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not really something to brag about, but gratz? b:sweat

My first marriage I was young (26), and my wife cheated on me and got pregnant by the other man. That is a deal breaker for me.

My second wife is a very good woman, but our Religious differences were entirely to different and it left us basically accepting that we were just not meant to be (she is um.... exceptionally religious, I'm indifferent. Oil and water.)

My third wife, is the best person I can be with. She is my best friend. Confidant. Playmate. Lover. and even when we get grumpy with one another, we are laughing about it 30 seconds later. I can't think of anyone that I have ever known that has ever known more about me, and I her, and still wanted to be around each other.

She knows my deep, dirty, dark secrets. And I know hers! b:shocked

~Saitada

Tatuaje - Lost City

Good to hear a nice story Sait.

Lets stop it before it get derailed and a little NC17ish.

Lets hope your new wife is like Oil and you are like water. But in a much more happier way.

*see what you made me do....get all mind in the gutter like

Saitada - Sanctuary

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

Good to hear a nice story Sait.

Lets stop it before it get derailed and a little NC17ish.

lol. agreed.

~S