Myth Buster: make a veno to get rich....

Coraline - Lost City

I'll say this...I have a lvl 73 veno with a golem and I do make way more money on her than my archer. On archer, to grind efficiently for money i need a hp heiro, mp event pots, and whatever repairs i have, and arrows and i usually buy those 10k at a time which runs me 20k coin. I can use pot but i usually get ganked by mobs and it doesn't work out so well.

On my veno where i grind a lot, hardly any repairs. I use the mp pots that drop from the mobs in addition to my skills which i time correctly. like my archer, i dont have every skill max. Only the ones i need, like psn scarab, ironwood, healing one, mp one, fire thingy, umm wood mastery, and i have fox form, the psn aoe one(only lvl 3 or something) pass chi and soul transfusion. I can make about 200k an hour from drops and coins.

That is about the same i can do on my EA but, on my ea, i need to include the costs of heiros, the pots, and repair cost on my gear which run about 42k. On my veno, since i hardly get hit, my weapon repair bill is only about 10k at max..and thats being high. So i would say yeah, you can make a good profit on a veno compared to other classes but only really when you get to like the 50ish lvl range.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

Venos can solo tons of boss either in HH or not, cheapest grinding thanks to mp/hp transfer. PvP is easy if u don't fail, just get a pet, max bleed (sawfly works) and play smart. Soul transfusion is just OP, seriouslly.

I get it. You play a class that is easy like hell, OP in a lot of aspect and u can be independent. Let's tell everyone we fail so nowone else QQ's about our awesomeness..

I cannot comment on how much you fail or not fail, however, can you really say venos spend the least on skills?

And why wouln't a veno max blazing and frost scarab? They are the highest damage skills we have (once you include the DOT), and great for boss fighting.

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands

Event mp pots for grinding? Do u barrage everything?

Coraline - Lost City

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

You are a smart young man/woman. So veno is expensive but u can max skills that are just trash and nowone actually uses... makes senseb:chuckle
My veno only was purge and amp in fox form.. only thing u need in HH/Pvp

You're talking to the person who caught the rare polar bear pet only to not use it.

Zoe - Heavens Tear

Coraline - Lost City wrote: »

You're talking to the person who caught the rare polar bear pet only to not use it.

I also have a tabby plumdrop. 2 less rare pets for all of you greedy punks to try and sell.b:victory

My barb still makes more money than he uses when he grinds.

Coraline - Lost City

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

Event mp pots for grinding? Do u barrage everything?

No, i use stun a lot..well only once per mob. But when i get to like 200 mp, i use the 3k mp pots.

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I cannot comment on how much you fail or not fail, however, can you really say venos spend the least on skills?

Most profitable grinding is BMs, Archer, Clerics and Wizards. Venos are only more profitable at grinding than barbs.

What cheap? Cleric farming poison mobs. Want fast? Axe BM aoe grinding on pure physical mobs. And something in between? Archers and Wizards farming. Want slow and cheap? Venos, and slow and expenses off the roof? barb.

OK. I'am fail.. I have an archer, cleric, blademaster and a veno. The veno makes way more cash and without wasting anything.. sometimes even pots i get from mobs i send then to my bm so i can aoe. WITHOUT HERC/NIX
Not out fault u spend more time doing worthless math trying to prove a "wrong" point of view instead of learning to play ur classb:bye

Brael - Dreamweaver

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

You are a smart young man/woman. So veno is expensive but u can max skills that are just trash and nowone actually uses... makes senseb:chuckle
My veno only was purge and amp in fox form.. only thing u need in HH/Pvp

The only skills you *NEED* as a veno are heal pet and revive pet. That doesn't mean however that you can let the others slack. So you go fox and hit amp, congratulations on wasting 3.3 of every 31.5 seconds (with no channeling). That's 10.5% of the time you're doing nothing. With a small amount of channeling you can get in 3 skills during fox, which lets you do say befuddling mist, leech, and amp. That's almost as much damage as you get from nuking, plus you get the amp, and an additional 26 chi.

Yep, maxing fox skills is trash... sure. It's a good thing I wasn't in your squad, I never would have grouped with you again. Standing around doing nothing for 10.5% of your fights is roughly the equivalent of someone who does pay attention but AFK's for an entire boss. Drain on a squads resources is what that is.

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

Not out fault u spend more time doing worthless math trying to prove a "wrong" point of view instead of learning to play ur classb:bye

Not our fault you make baseless claims, then resort to insults when those claims are proven very inaccurate. Oh, you know that 2.9 million less in skills (total) venos pay compared to wizards?
Putting slow 5 on my Armored Bear cost 1,850,000.
Putting bash 5 on my Herc cost 1,000,000.
Putting FR 5 on my Nix cost 950,000.
Putting bash 5 on my Magmite cost 600,000.
Putting toxic mist 5 on my Magmite cost 1,100,000.
Putting tough 5 on my Magmite cost 1,250,000.
Putting threaten 5 on my Magmite cost 1,550,000.
Putting icicle 5 on my Scorpion cost 900,000.
Putting toxic mist 5 on my Scorpion cost 1,000,000.
Putting bash 5 on my Scorpion cost 800,000.
Putting tough 5 on my Marksman cost 1,250,000.

That's 12,250,000 and I'm purposefully excluding rare skills from this as that gets into the same territory as book prices rather than training costs. I also didn't include all of my pets, only the ones that see the most use. For reference that puts Veno's at 1935330 coin below a 3 skill tree BM. Including my plumpfish would put the total for Veno's above a 3 skill BM. Yep, we're the cheapest class when it comes to learning skills.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

OK. I'am fail.. I have an archer, cleric, blademaster and a veno. The veno makes way more cash and without wasting anything.. sometimes even pots i get from mobs i send then to my bm so i can aoe. WITHOUT HERC/NIX
Not out fault u spend more time doing worthless math trying to prove a "wrong" point of view instead of learning to play ur classb:bye

As I said, I cannot comment on how much a fail you are or not, since I do not know you. I will not tell you to learn to play your class either, since, as above, I do not know you to be able to say that you endeed do not know how to play.

However, you keep avoiding the facts. Can you tell me once again how do venos have the least expenses in skills? And why is it wrong for someone to actualy give you the totals to max skills that shows venos are not the cheapest?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

i sense a lock

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands

Zoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I also have a tabby plumdrop. 2 less rare pets for all of you greedy punks to try and sell.b:victory

My barb still makes more money than he uses when he grinds.

GZ ?

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The only skills you *NEED* as a veno are heal pet and revive pet. That doesn't mean however that you can let the others slack. So you go fox and hit amp, congratulations on wasting 3.3 of every 31.5 seconds (with no channeling). That's 10.5% of the time you're doing nothing. With a small amount of channeling you can get in 3 skills during fox, which lets you do say befuddling mist, leech, and amp. That's almost as much damage as you get from nuking, plus you get the amp, and an additional 26 chi.

Yep, maxing fox skills is trash... sure. It's a good thing I wasn't in your squad, I never would have grouped with you again. Standing around doing nothing for 10.5% of your fights is roughly the equivalent of someone who does pay attention but AFK's for an entire boss. Drain on a squads resources is what that is.

I have 3 skills in fox form (4 actually.. but one is a pre requisite). 2 curses amp and purge, and 1 attack skill befudding mist.. I use it for heal macro in HH. Leech is kind of nice but worthless in pvp and in pve is not really needed.

Coraline - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As I said, I cannot comment on how much a fail you are or not, since I do not know you. I will not tell you to learn to play your class either, since, as above, I do not know you to be able to say that you endeed do not know how to play.

However, you keep avoiding the facts. Can you tell me once again how do venos have the least expenses in skills? And why is it wrong for someone to actualy give you the totals to max skills that shows venos are not the cheapest?

Its not wrong. He's looking at what skills most(almost all) venos max and use mostly which would be (im guessing) Psn scarab, Ironwood, pass chi, soul, healing, mp regen thing, maybe an aoe, amp, purge, maybe fox form, and wood mastery, and pet healing and pet revive. Except for the three venos i see here, I know of no other veno that has all maxed skills. I dont think hes focused on all of it. Its like when you do a school report about trains in the 1900's. Whats the point of looking at trains before and after that time period when its not needed in what you are talking about?

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

My veno only was purge and amp in fox form.. only thing u need in HH/Pvp

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

I have 3 skills in fox form (4 actually.. but one is a pre requisite). 2 curses amp and purge, and 1 attack skill befudding mist.. I use it for heal macro in HH. Leech is kind of nice but worthless in pvp and in pve is not really needed.

So you learned your 2 other skills while you were posting? First post you claim to only have 2 skills, than you somehow have 4 now? If this thread keeps going, will the number of skills you have in fox form keep growing as well?

See, math is actualy useful, so you can tell the difference between 2 skills and 4 skills.

Coraline - Lost City wrote: »

Its not wrong. He's looking at what skills most(almost all) venos max and use mostly which would be (im guessing) Psn scarab, Ironwood, pass chi, soul, healing, mp regen thing, maybe an aoe, amp, purge, maybe fox form, and wood mastery, and pet healing and pet revive. Except for the three venos i see here, I know of no other veno that has all maxed skills. I dont think hes focused on all of it. Its like when you do a school report about trains in the 1900's. Whats the point of looking at trains before and after that time period when its not needed in what you are talking about?

But if you compared the costs of maxing a BM ultimate skills and a Cleric ultimate skills, shouldn't you also use the same standards for the veno, instead of saying "venos only max one skill"? He actualy mentioned the veno skill by name, while leaving the ultimate skills for the cleric and bm as a generic statement.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I cannot comment on how much you fail or not fail, however, can you really say venos spend the least on skills?

And why wouln't a veno max blazing and frost scarab? They are the highest damage skills we have (once you include the DOT), and great for boss fighting.

So you preach Venomancers lvl all spells to 10? Now preach us how useful is Consume Spirit for you as a caster. Even better: what's the lvl of your Malefic Crush?

Like Zoe said, Soul Transfusion is excellent. It makes my veno use no MP potions at all. Not sure about you...

Saitada - Sanctuary

Coraline - Lost City wrote: »

Its not wrong. He's looking at what skills most(almost all) venos max and use mostly which would be (im guessing) Psn scarab, Ironwood, pass chi, soul, healing, mp regen thing, maybe an aoe, amp, purge, maybe fox form, and wood mastery, and pet healing and pet revive. Except for the three venos i see here, I know of no other veno that has all maxed skills. I dont think hes focused on all of it. Its like when you do a school report about trains in the 1900's. Whats the point of looking at trains before and after that time period when its not needed in what you are talking about?

<---- Points at self. I have mine maxed or almost maxed and am working at making them. I have genies I feed my xp into and save the SP and coin for maxing the skillz.

It's a fair chance that more Veno's work at maxing all their skills than might at first be thought.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

<---- Points at self. I have mine maxed or almost maxed and am working at making them. I have genies I feed my xp into and save the SP and coin for maxing the skillz.

It's a fair chance that more Veno's work at maxing all their skills than might at first be thought.

Is there a possibility that they gain SP faster with kill rate?

Brael - Dreamweaver

Coraline - Lost City wrote: »

Its not wrong. He's looking at what skills most(almost all) venos max and use mostly which would be (im guessing) Psn scarab, Ironwood, pass chi, soul, healing, mp regen thing, maybe an aoe, amp, purge, maybe fox form, and wood mastery, and pet healing and pet revive. Except for the three venos i see here, I know of no other veno that has all maxed skills. I dont think hes focused on all of it. Its like when you do a school report about trains in the 1900's. Whats the point of looking at trains before and after that time period when its not needed in what you are talking about?

So the argument is, veno's have the second highest potential costs (it's probably possible to be highest, but seems unlikely) second only to BM's which have insane costs should they max all four weapon skill trees but in reality veno's are the cheapest because they only max the skills he says veno's should max?

By that logic, I would be able to say, veno's spend one thousand times more on skills than any other class, and simply say other classes don't need to train anything once they've spent 86k on skills.

It's broken logic because it's simply ignoring any of the facts that don't agree with a predefined opinion.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So you preach Venomancers lvl all spells to 10? Now preach us how useful is Consume Spirit for you as a caster. Even better: what's the lvl of your Malefic Crush?

Like Zoe said, Soul Transfusion is excellent. It makes my veno use no MP potions at all. Not sure about you...

I can't speak for who you asked that to, but mine is 10 of course. Why wouldn't it be? It's a good skill to have in rebirth. As for Consume Spirit, I've said that skill is great for a long time. It gets even better the higher you take it. 11% of my current hp for 450 mana is a great deal. When I get the sage one it goes to 10% for 475. Infact, my standard amp key is consume, then leech, then amp. Not maxing it would be well... silly.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is there a possibility that they gain SP faster with kill rate?

The ratio is still the same, 1 sp per 5 exp earned so the rate of spirit gained is proportional to the rate exp is gained. At lower levels venos do get exp faster than other classes, but as you get higher, that seems to change. From my own observation, in general it seems barbs are the fastest leveling characters on DW. They get up to the 70's or so slower, but the demand for them in high exp places such as gamma, delta, and frost is such that they can just do that stuff non stop and pass everyone up. Veno's don't experience quite the same demand, particularly for rebirth (though I do see shouts for veno's for frost rather often).

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands

Ok Ice you win. Four skills.. one people only get cause its needed for mist. Mist is awesome for heal macro. Other 2 are great for pve and pvp.

This are the skill i have, call me fail call me wahtever.. i do just fine


I only maxed (and most venos i know) this skill:

heal pet
venomous scarab
fire scarab (lvl 4)
ironwood
noxious gas (lvl 7)
lucky scarab (must have in pvp)
summer sprint
both brambles
metaboli(can't spell it right) boost
natures grace
leading hand (1 lvl skill)
amp
mist (lvl 5)
purge
fox form
soul tranfusion (1 lvl skill)
and
both masterys


Only ultimate i use is bramble to lure or pvp. I have parasitic nova at lvl 2 just for the lolz.. not worth 2 spark imo

You only max all ur skills cause u want too and u can afford it (but ye venos dont make cash.. venos are junk right?). Telling me u maxing malefic crush is like getting lvl 10 vicious arrow... pointless in so many ways

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So you preach Venomancers lvl all spells to 10? Now preach us how useful is Consume Spirit for you as a caster. Even better: what's the lvl of your Malefic Crush?

Like Zoe said, Soul Transfusion is excellent. It makes my veno use no MP potions at all. Not sure about you...

My malific crush is at level 3 at the moment, since I need to use my SPs for other things first. Eventualy it will go to level 10 as well, since it does come in handy when I am already in fox form and need a second AOE skill.

Soul is a great skill, I never claimed it was not, I use it all the time, but I also chug pots like a drunken sailor, since we use tons of mps as well, if we are trying to maximize damage.

I actualy do recommend venos to ultimaly max every skill, specialy if they have the SPs and the money. Why wouldn't you max your skills if you have the money and sps to do it? Obviously they should max skills in order of importance to them, not randomly.

Frost scarab is the veno's highest damage skill, followed by blazing scarab. Why wouldn't I tell a veno to max those sooner or later? They come in very handy at high levels, specialy when fighting bosses. Their usability is somewhat limited in grinding, since the DOT portion of the skill would have to run its course in order to make it worth it, but on bosses, you know for sure the skill DOT portion will run its course.

Fox skills round up your character. There are times when you are better off in fox form, due to the physical AOEs or random Physical damage. Since you are already in fox form, might as well maximize the damage you do while in it.

Of all the skills I have, the only one I really cannot figure out a use for in pve is crush vigor... but at least it only has 1 level. For pvp it may have a use, specialy once you get it to sage. And for demon venos, that skill is like free spark, so it can be useful in pve and pvp.

@Lustxxx - I have followed a similar order to upgrade my skills, although I also got soul degeneration in the mix, since it comes in handy in TWs sometimes, and against certain bosses, and max blazing and frost scarab. Of the regular skills, I am trying to get the SPs to max nova next, since it is very useful for RBs, together with noxious and fox form myriad.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

However, you keep avoiding the facts. Can you tell me once again how do venos have the least expenses in skills? And why is it wrong for someone to actualy give you the totals to max skills that shows venos are not the cheapest?

A veno's skills are not cheaper than other classes but a veno is not as reliant on skills to do damage as say a wizard or BM since the pet is responsible for a good amount of the damage. I have seen nix venos grind from the air on ground mobs using nothing but heal pet.

Compare the MP cost of these comparable skills to see how cheap Heal Pet is.

Max Heal Pet: 95MP
Heal your pet, restoring 540 HP plus 30% of your magic attack.

Lvl 10 IronHeart: 229.5 MP
Bless the target to recover 714 HP plus 30% of your base magic attack over 15 seconds.

Lvl 7 Blessing of the Purehearted: 190MP
Bless the target to recover 455 HP plus 28% of your base magic attack.

Coraline - Lost City

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So the argument is, veno's have the second highest potential costs (it's probably possible to be highest, but seems unlikely) second only to BM's which have insane costs should they max all four weapon skill trees but in reality veno's are the cheapest because they only max the skills he says veno's should max?

By that logic, I would be able to say, veno's spend one thousand times more on skills than any other class, and simply say other classes don't need to train anything once they've spent 86k on skills.

It's broken logic because it's simply ignoring any of the facts that don't agree with a predefined opinion.

I was trying to explain what he was seeing, unless i made that unclear which i have a tendency to do....

Brael - Dreamweaver

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

You only max all ur skills cause u want too and u can afford it (but ye venos dont make cash.. venos are junk right?). Telling me u maxing malefic crush is like getting lvl 10 vicious arrow... pointless in so many ways

Rebirth, wood immune mobs. There's a use, a rather good use.

I was trying to explain what he was seeing, unless i made that unclear which i have a tendency to do...

I know, I was pointing out how what he's seeing makes no sense what so ever.

Saitada - Sanctuary

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is there a possibility that they gain SP faster with kill rate?

I don't know about non-Herc using Veno's, but if I want a good bit of fast SP I go herd 8-10 Seaspray Bladewolfs together and let my Herc chew them up. I get a fair amount of SP per hour that way, not to mention DQ & drops (which I sell) and Coin and XP.

~S

Solandri - Heavens Tear

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Your expenses typically run higher than any other class? what are you? Heavy Armor?

Brael is arcane, but he's like me (I play a heavy veno btw) and likes to maximize the potential of a class. We're not the lazy spam three skills veno players everyone seems to complain about (those tend not to be rich anyway). We analyze, optimize, and maximize our characters' abilities. Consequently, we tend to blow through a ton of mana, coin, and exp testing out things and coming up with highly effective strategies.

In a hard 4 hour night of play, it's not unusual for me to rack up 40k-50k in weapon/armor repairs, use over 100k stamina on my genie (between pulling, debuffing, and self-healing, my genie with 85 mag is almost never at full energy), as well as burn through a dozen or two pots and powders as well as a few apoc items in emergencies. If I tried to do all the healing with charms as some people insist, I could easily burn through a quarter to half a gold guardian charm a night. None of which really matters to me because my cat shop easily makes several million a day.

(Both of us also happen to have fortunes well over 100 mil from merchanting, which is why I keep stressing that as The way to make money. A veno alt can help, but the biggest improvement to your bank balance will come from learning how to cat shop effectively. In fact I dunno why I'm even arguing about venos. Ask everyone who has over 100 mil how they make their money, and I guarantee you the vast majority will say by merchanting. But for some reason people would rather believe this myth about venos as the ticket to riches, instead of what rich people say about how they got rich. Venos certainly aren't bad at making cash, but they aren't the meal ticket people seem to think they are.)

and about mana usage...aside from the innate mana regen skill, you can soul transfuse and eat a hp pot (i'm assuming you have stacks of those like any other venos do), turning like 4k hp to 10k mp. i don't think any other class can do that. you still have it easier than Wiz or Cleric

If I want to, I can more than empty my veno's mana bar once a minute. It's a lot of work, and other party members tend to overwrite my Rainbow debuffs, so I don't do it that often. But in a good group I will. Of course in most good groups there's a cleric to top off my hp, which blunts the cost.

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

Event mp pots for grinding? Do u barrage everything?

It's more cost-effective to sell hp pots to NPCs, and use the money to buy chi for the genie (you have to be smart about this too though), and use genie heals. Jiaozi and Yuanxiao are also more cost-effective (more hp or mp per coin) than pots. So again you're better off selling the pots and using the money to buy those. Charms are the most profligate way to regenerate hp and mana. For mana, a charm costs more than 10x what herb yuanxio does per mana point restored. Guardian charms are better, but still 3x-5x more expensive per hp.

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

Stop the math and the QQ's.. Venos can solo most of the game stop being creating pointless threads about "OMG VENOS BLOW.. I WISH I WAS A RICH ARCHER.."

The math shows that a good group playing through TT will make more mats per person per hour than a veno soloing it. Consequently I try as hard as I can to find other people to help on my TT runs, even though I could do them solo. If your complaint is that you can't find a good group, well that's not really the veno's fault, is it?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is there a possibility that they gain SP faster with kill rate?

I haven't leveled up my alts that high. But from what I've seen, I'd say all the other classes (except barb) have a faster kill rate than a veno. The catch is that they slow themselves down with downtime (a veno has little to no downtime). If they were willing to spend some money on minimizing downtime, and strategize about minimizing that cost, they'll surpass a veno's kill rate. As an example, BMs and clerics do this with AOE grinding.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Like Zoe said, Soul Transfusion is excellent. It makes my veno use no MP potions at all. Not sure about you...

ST is nice, but keep in mind that it just shifts your mp regen costs into hp regen. It's done at a favorable ratio (most venos have 1.5-2x as much mana as hp), but it's still an additional cost. At lower levels, Metabolic Boost and Nature's Grace is enough to keep you topped off. But at higher levels and especially once you get the Rainbow skills, there's just no way to keep up without resorting to external heals. The veno has the lowest mp regen cost, but also the highest hp regen cost of a non-tank. Like I said above, I burn through a ton of genie stamina keeping myself healed.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

A veno's skills are not cheaper than other classes but a veno is not as reliant on skills to do damage as say a wizard or BM since the pet is responsible for a good amount of the damage. I have seen nix venos grind from the air on ground mobs using nothing but heal pet.

Unless you have a phoenix, most of the pets only do about half to a third the DPS of the veno spells. My veno is a heavy build, and her spell DPS is nearly twice that of the best pet aside from the phoenix. So for most venos, the majority of their damage is from their spells, not their pets.

No argument with the rest of your post. I totally agree that if you exclude the Rainbows and maybe Lucky/Noxious, veno spells are extremely mana-efficient compared to other casters.

Saitada - Sanctuary

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands wrote: »

Ok Ice you win. Four skills.. one people only get cause its needed for mist. Mist is awesome for heal macro. Other 2 are great for pve and pvp.

This are the skill i have, call me fail call me wahtever.. i do just fine


I only maxed (and most venos i know) this skill:

heal pet
venomous scarab
fire scarab (lvl 4)
ironwood
noxious gas (lvl 7)
lucky scarab (must have in pvp)
summer sprint
both brambles
metaboli(can't spell it right) boost
natures grace
leading hand (1 lvl skill)
amp
mist (lvl 5)
purge
fox form
soul tranfusion (1 lvl skill)
and
both masterys


Only ultimate i use is bramble to lure or pvp. I have parasitic nova at lvl 2 just for the lolz.. not worth 2 spark imo

You only max all ur skills cause u want too and u can afford it (but ye venos dont make cash.. venos are junk right?). Telling me u maxing malefic crush is like getting lvl 10 vicious arrow... pointless in so many ways

Actually, I max all my skills not because I want to and can afford to, but because I USE ALL of them. Including all the foxform skills. Granted I don't use them all the time, but I do use them, so I max them all.

~S

Isala - Sanctuary

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually, I max all my skills not because I want to and can afford to, but because I USE ALL of them. Including all the foxform skills. Granted I don't use them all the time, but I do use them, so I max them all.

~S

This. I have almost maxed every single skill I have. And the only reason I haven't is because once I hit 79, I decided that the skills for that level were much more important. I use EVERY skill. Period. Even if I don't use it all the time, some skills need to be maxed because they get so much better once you hit Sage/Demon. Which I am getting damn close to.

You don't have to max anything that you don't use. I play a wizard alt. I could save a metric ton of money by not maxing out anything. Hell, all I have to do is set up a (loop)Gush/Pyrogram macro, and kill everything. Which, just for lulz, I've actually done. By that same token, I could only max Heal Pet on my Veno. Doesn't mean either is smart. So this BS of "OMG! U ONLY NEEDS TEH WON SKILLZ!!" is just that. BS. We don't max out skills only for ourselves, you noobs. We max them out and use them for our parties we end up with. A lot of the **** I have as a Veno is more important for my parties. Stunning Blow, which freezes mobs in place? Why bother with that, when I can just kite the mob long enough it stops trying to run? Lending Hand? Sure, like it does anything to use it on myself. Bramble Guard? Like that's effective on a class that isn't supposed to pull aggro.

As for the moron who said Parasitic Nova is useless... You've never done Rebirth with an intelligent Veno, have you? Nova hits a large group of mobs, who then proceed to stand there and get slaughtered. With the Chi Aura, you can fire that faster than it actually cools down. So just shut up.

We've pointed out facts here. Cold hard facts. The richest people in this game ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY VENOS. A lot of them are Barbs, Archers, Clerics, or any of the other classes. Hell. Look at Sanctuary. The richest people on that entire server, to my knowledge, is a Barb, and an Archer. Why? It certainly wasn't from grinding, or running TT. It was from having money IRL... So if you're going to whine about the money making class, how about you point it in an actual intelligent direction, and whine about the Cashshop Class instead.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't know about non-Herc using Veno's, but if I want a good bit of fast SP I go herd 8-10 Seaspray Bladewolfs together and let my Herc chew them up. I get a fair amount of SP per hour that way, not to mention DQ & drops (which I sell) and Coin and XP.

~S

..............
b:puzzled
me wish me could herd 8-10 seaspray bladewolfies......and take no damage meself.
=(

how come no one mentions the solo "aoe" grind ability of venos on mobs at or higher then their level....
barbs can do it.....at a high repair cost...
bms can do it.....at a high repair cost....
wizards.....can't really do it (no....being 30 levels above the mobs don't count....).....probably going to die lols...or burn through a boatload of hp heal.
archers......probably can try but going to burn through hp
clerics =.....burn through insane amount of mp healing themselves...

o....hey..zmog....look...only venos can do it at a reasonable price (replace herc with a magmite.....me has seen it done before.....heck me has even seen venos use acepalectic death knights to do it too...).b:sweat
ya.....and look they get near no repair costs since only their weapon loses durability.....hp pots can substitute mp pots as well......b:surrender

well venos might not be "richer" but they certainly be cheaper to maintain.
Keyword be MAINTAIN. b:bye

_Lust_Xxx - Harshlands

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

You don't have to max anything that you don't use. I play a wizard alt. I could save a metric ton of money by not maxing out anything. Hell, all I have to do is set up a (loop)Gush/Pyrogram macro, and kill everything. Which, just for lulz, I've actually done. By that same token, I could only max Heal Pet on my Veno. Doesn't mean either is smart. So this BS of "OMG! U ONLY NEEDS TEH WON SKILLZ!!" is just that. BS. We don't max out skills only for ourselves, you noobs. We max them out and use them for our parties we end up with. A lot of the **** I have as a Veno is more important for my parties. Stunning Blow, which freezes mobs in place? Why bother with that, when I can just kite the mob long enough it stops trying to run?

ROFL. get a bm to stunlock. I think u talking about HH prob..

As for the moron who said Parasitic Nova is useless... You've never done Rebirth with an intelligent Veno, have you? Nova hits a large group of mobs, who then proceed to stand there and get slaughtered. With the Chi Aura, you can fire that faster than it actually cools down. So just shut up.

I get more exp solo without doing GV. I only plan on doing delta in couple of lvls for 3 map acess..
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And we are talking about making cash with grind/HH etc no with gold.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

how come no one mentions the solo "aoe" grind ability of venos on mobs at or higher then their level....

Because it is a waste of time.... You kill much faster in small groups, even 1v1 using a different pet. Herc AOE grinding is the perfect example of something a veno can do that is a total waste of time and effort. A Scorpion, or even a CMag with 3 attack skills, plus veno skills kill mobs faster taking on 1 or 2 at the time than you can possibly kill large groupd with herc only while spam healing. That is even more of the case if the veno uses a phoenix.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

Stunning Blow, which freezes mobs in place? Why bother with that, when I can just kite the mob long enough it stops trying to run?

You can save the aggro archer once... twice... or even more. But once you're out of sparks the aggro archer will die, some other squishy will get aggro and die too. And, of course, it's all veno's fault.

Note: I'm not being sarcastic. It happened to me more more than once.