Dragon Orb Ocean

Centetric - Lost City

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

b:chuckle
*sniff* Ok..... b:sad *sniff*

ish a cookies

Kireina - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Except that it would cost you 1000s of dollars to do so.

yea xD

Foltern - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

^ Everything you said is not new (no offense)...we all know this.

We were just discussing the 10* orbs being 80% off (basically)...

No. Not everyone knows that.

Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »

I believe the dragon orb sale is not to make profit on level 10 orbs. The purpose for that is to solicit the orbs below that.

Regards

han112

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

Why the hell is a Dragon Orb Oceab (refine from 9 --> 10) ONLY 75 gold?

WITH the current dragon orb sale, its apox 246 gold for a Dragon Orb Ocean using 1* orbs (1370 of them).

Why so cheap? Does PWI want everyone walking around with +10 weapons now? b:shocked

sooo cheap dang u millionair i bet :O give me 10 orbs then pls i think its wayyyyyyyy to expensive and ye would be cool having more strong ppl in game kinda weird why so cheap why so expensive hehe just a pixel u willing put 75 bucks down for it? not me b:pleased

RedsRose - Lost City

Centetric - Lost City wrote: »

ish a cookies

b:cute

Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »

No. Not everyone knows that.

"Most" of us do....this is not the first time we have dealt with this type of issue...*cough* Anni Packs *cough*....

10* orbs is same concept but this is a refine issue that is HUGE for higher levels when dealing with end-game gear....

We alrdy have quite a few +12/8jun on this server...now all armor will be +12...how can the non-cs'ers and light cs'ers keep up?

(once again throwing stuff out there.....)

han112 wrote: »

sooo cheap dang u millionair i bet :O give me 10 orbs then pls i think its wayyyyyyyy to expensive and ye would be cool having more strong ppl in game kinda weird why so cheap why so expensive hehe just a pixel u willing put 75 bucks down for it? not me b:pleased

If you calculate a 10* orb is usually a few hundred $$'s

Foltern - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

b:cute

"Most" of us do....this is not the first time we have dealt with this type of issue...*cough* Anni Packs *cough*....

I said it for the individuals who don't and continue to believe the game is going under or everyone is quitting or people who continually complain about packs.

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

10* orbs is same concept but this is a refine issue that is HUGE for higher levels when dealing with end-game gear....

We alrdy have quite a few +12/8jun on this server...now all armor will be +12...how can the non-cs'ers and light cs'ers keep up?

Well, I play on the sanctuary server which is designated for pve. This is not the case on Sanctuary. They can keep up if they invest.

Regards

RedsRose - Lost City

Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, I play on the sanctuary server which is designated for pve. This is not the case on Sanctuary. They can keep up if they invest.

Regards

How many 8jun/+12 weapons do you have on Sanc?


And of course PvE can keep up........

<---- stopping there because it will turn into PvE versus PvP and I do not have the energy to argue about it.

Besides...If I was your level (if that is your main) I MIGHT think the same way you are...might....

Foltern - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

How many 8jun/+12 weapons do you have on Sanc?


And of course PvE can keep up........

<---- stopping there because it will turn into PvE versus PvP and I do not have the energy to argue about it.

Besides...If I was your level (if that is your main) I MIGHT think the same way you are...might....

./End. Have a good day.

Regards

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

So, there were complains PW did not care about the users and things costed too much.

PW gives them a 80% +10 orb sale

Now there are complains that PW is making things too cheap....

And we expect PW to do anything about what we post besides laughing at us? (not saying they are laughing, but I am laughing as I read the same people that complained how things were getting too expensive now complaining that a sale item is too cheap).

RedsRose - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So, there were complains PW did not care about the users and things costed too much.

PW gives them a 80% +10 orb sale

Now there are complains that PW is making things too cheap....

And we expect PW to do anything about what we post besides laughing at us? (not saying they are laughing, but I am laughing as I read the same people that complained how things were getting too expensive now complaining that a sale item is too cheap).

b:chuckle

I do not mind it being "cheap"....I personally think it is more odd them anything. To tell you the truth I think there are quite a few people who would have paid well over 75Gold for this Orb.

(Personally...meh...need to get more in-game since Gold prices are out of control again b:surrender)

Miss_Tika - Lost City

I agree with what Foltern said... But.


There are many other ways to generate income on a game like this. Making items that people need to earn and work they way up to can be instantly bought now. There is really no point to this game anymore, what is there to do? All the cash shoppers stand around looking for then next best thing to cash shop, with no real purpose. There is no goals in PWI anymore, and because of sales like this, is MAKING the game go down hill.

PWI was so lively a few months ago. We all went over the huge Anniversary pack crisis pretty well. Alot of people quit but alot of people enjoyed it. This +10 orb thing is just ridiculous, no matter how much it "invests in the PWI income"

As much as I enjoy this game, I hate it at the same time

EDIT: One more thing. There is a difference to spending $15-20 a month on a game. But $100s to $1000s just to enjoy all these amazing sales in PWI? Come on..

Foltern - Sanctuary

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

I agree with what Foltern said... But.


There are many other ways to generate income on a game like this. Making items that people need to earn and work they way up to can be instantly bought now. There is really no point to this game anymore, what is there to do? All the cash shoppers stand around looking for then next best thing to cash shop, with no real purpose. There is no goals in PWI anymore, and because of sales like this, is MAKING the game go down hill.

PWI was so lively a few months ago. We all went over the huge Anniversary pack crisis pretty well. Alot of people quit but alot of people enjoyed it. This +10 orb thing is just ridiculous, no matter how much it "invests in the PWI income"

As much as I enjoy this game, I hate it at the same time

EDIT: One more thing. There is a difference to spending $15-20 a month on a game. But $100s to $1000s just to enjoy all these amazing sales in PWI? Come on..

Hmm. I remember game culture before the major sales and it was a lot nicer in my opinion. I do think the atmosphere has declined and has not improved and it has paved the way for a lot of people to level quickly without thought, skill or intelligence. There is good news, the sale is not permanent and packs won't stay forever, it will end. During the inception of the sales, I retired my healer because I no longer enjoyed the class and it was not fun anymore. The sale enabled me to make a new char and invest money in that one which made the game fun for me. with some nice shards, sockets and I got a free lobster mount. I never had a mount before. It was a nice gift for spending a few dollars which was going to buy cash shop items anyway regardless of the sale. With exception to the shards. My healer had bad gear and I was determined to have better shards on this char. I invest my fair share in the game, But I do not have time to spend hours and days into farming and reselling. So it still makes the game more fun for me either way.

I was not having fun with my healer and I was ready to quit the game. Instead I made the game fun for myself again. I found a new way to do it. I do not spend wads of cash on the game. I purchase charms, tele's and such. some people have a different income and can afford to spend thousands of dollars. Some people make thousands of dollars a week, but investing it into PW is not priority.

I do notice there are people leveling using scrolls, carrying lunar weapons and all sorts of things you RARELY ever saw before the sale. for myself only, I try not to concern myself with what other people are doing or spending their money on.

I play the game solo, I have no faction members in my faction. I focus on myelf and what ways I can make the game fun for me and I take from it what I want. It seems to me the players interested in pvp are the people who are scroll leveling and buying packs and wearing +10 gear. That is where a lot of PWI's profit comes from PVP and those are a large marketing target.

I myself am getting a bit frustrated with the condition of the game the new culture and the economy and am considering quitting in the near future because of that. However, let's not forget that business and profit is no respector of morals or persons, it is what it is and always will be in this type of business. It's a shame to love playing the game and investing a real part of your life in it, only to have to cut the fun short for various in game reasons. We do have that choice and we can always take out money somewhere else if we don't like it.

Regards.

RedsRose - Lost City

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

I agree with what Foltern said... But.


There are many other ways to generate income on a game like this. Making items that people need to earn and work they way up to can be instantly bought now. There is really no point to this game anymore, what is there to do? All the cash shoppers stand around looking for then next best thing to cash shop, with no real purpose. There is no goals in PWI anymore, and because of sales like this, is MAKING the game go down hill.

PWI was so lively a few months ago. We all went over the huge Anniversary pack crisis pretty well. Alot of people quit but alot of people enjoyed it. This +10 orb thing is just ridiculous, no matter how much it "invests in the PWI income"

As much as I enjoy this game, I hate it at the same time

EDIT: One more thing. There is a difference to spending $15-20 a month on a game. But $100s to $1000s just to enjoy all these amazing sales in PWI? Come on..

QFT +1 And I kinda agree......

remorhaz

Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hello. I would like to share my opinion. for all comments above and many people when it comes to PWI in general, Packs and a lot of other things. I recommend reading slowly and carefully if you choose to comment on this. Although most people can't or won't grasp the depth of the information below and will flame anyway after reading the first 4 sentences.

I think something is that is always important to remember I believe people often forget about or may not realize. PWI is definately a fun game to play. I have enjoyed it for many months. At the end of the day PWI is a business that monetizes on fun and high pressure sales. This is what generates income and pays the employees of the company. Software engineers, Marketing and research, Board of directors, Game masters and of course the notably exorbitant cost to pay for the fiber optic Internet bandwidth they run on the back end.

The game is of course free to play. They hope to proselytize as many users they can into paying customers. This is required to make a profit. Profit is the surplus of money after every bill is paid required to keep the business running. When it comes to packs, No mater what kind; rare pet, or anniversary packs or any other ones. The game economy is probably not taken into enormous consideration and is not the conclusive factor that will constitute a "Yes" or "No" to ordain a sale.

All items in the cash shop are meant to reward business investors; paying customers. The marketing and advertising department at PWI is very skilled. They are experts at what they are supposed to do which is to construct and deliver demand for in game items which will persuade users into buying them. Or in other words, investing in the company to make a profit. This applies to all items in the cash shop packs or otherwise. PWI is not greedy. It is a business which rewards paying customers, nothing more. If a person buys a mount, That is their reward for investing in the company and keeping the game alive. And PWI should reward paying customer if they want to remain in business. They are very good at what they do.

I believe the dragon orb sale is not to make profit on level 10 orbs. The purpose for that is to solicit the orbs below that. The profit comes from making it less expensive for you to own a level 10 weapon. If you pay top dollar, you have top quality gear. Some players have not spent one dollar on the game since they started it and they have hundreds of millions of in-game coin. Smart investors can do it easily. PWI is great at making regular users investors, but of course not everyone will invest money to keep the game going and PWI knows that. Players will not invest because they can't or they wont no matter what. But we are not talking about those users and PWI knows they can't make everyone an investor, After a certain point, Those users are not their concern.

That money you save refining to 10 seems really great and it seems like a one time deal. The idea I believe is to encourage you to refine to 9. PWI makes their target profit from that. They always have the need generate sales which are immediate profit and not long necessarily term. This is because PWI does not charge people a monthly fee for playing the game, their financial stability is not guaranteed it can only be predicted by money accepted from fast sales. Many players believe the game is "Going down hill" or that it will somehow cease to work because PWI is making money or because players can buy items instead of earning them. For people who have no problem investing in PWI as a business, You can think of who they might be, the game is not going downhill. It's more fun than ever. As long as PWI has enough players who will spend the required money to keep the business alive, the game will always be in operation and it will thrive and grow as it has done in the past from various sales.

Regards, SemperHacker

Hammer = foltern

i wish people in the sale omfgqqqqqqqmoarzorz threads could read this. im not happy about the packs either but bidness iz bidness.

Foltern - Sanctuary

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

QFT +1 And I kinda agree......

There are players who make the goal of the game to acquire infinite wealth. Same as there are players who refine 5 gears to +8 for pvp. There are also players who genuinely enjoy the game, making friends, chatting and love being in factions. I believe it's the the type of player really. I know I havn't bought and resold anything since the sale. That is because to me as a person and a person in the game, money isn't everything. Especially inside PWI. Sure I could have made millions and millions many times. But I don't care really. I balance my gaming experience. I could buy and resell scroll of tome, lunar weapons, and other sale items and make millions by the boatload. I don't because I know that would ruin the fun for me. I know when to start and where to stop so the game remains fun for me. Those players can do whatever they like to make the game fun for them. I do what I need to do.

Regards

Miss_Tika - Lost City

Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hmm. I remember game culture before the major sales and it was a lot nicer in my opinion. I do think the atmosphere has declined and has not improved and it has paved the way for a lot of people to level quickly without thought, skill or intelligence. There is good news, the sale is not permanent and packs won't stay forever, it will end. During the inception of the sales, I retired my healer because I no longer enjoyed the class and it was not fun anymore. The sale enabled me to make a new char and invest money in that one which made the game fun for me. with some nice shards, sockets and I got a free lobster mount. I never had a mount before. It was a nice gift for spending a few dollars which was going to buy cash shop items anyway regardless of the sale. With exception to the shards. My healer had bad gear and I was determined to have better shards on this char. I invest my fair share in the game, But I do not have time to spend hours and days into farming and reselling. So it still makes the game more fun for me either way.

I was not having fun with my healer and I was ready to quit the game. Instead I made the game fun for myself again. I found a new way to do it. I do not spend wads of cash on the game. I purchase charms, tele's and such. some people have a different income and can afford to spend thousands of dollars. Some people make thousands of dollars a week, but investing it into PW is not priority.

I do notice there are people leveling using scrolls, carrying lunar weapons and all sorts of things you RARELY ever saw before the sale. for myself only, I try not to concern myself with what other people are doing or spending their money on.

I play the game solo, I have no faction members in my faction. I focus on myelf and what ways I can make the game fun for me and I take from it what I want. It seems to me the players interested in pvp are the people who are scroll leveling and buying packs and wearing +10 gear. That is where a lot of PWI's profit comes from PVP and those are a large marketing target.

I myself am getting a bit frustrated with the condition of the game the new culture and the economy and am considering quitting in the near future because of that. However, let's not forget that business and profit is no respector of morals or persons, it is what it is and always will be in this type of business. It's a shame to love playing the game and investing a real part of your life in it, only to have to cut the fun short for various in game reasons. We do have that choice and we can always take out money somewhere else if we don't like it.

Regards.

So ya, Packs enable people to level quickly and if you're lucky you can get a nice item (that people used to spend alot of time getting like Lunar stuff), or in this case, save up enough orbs to finally +10 something... which is now a quick buck.

You play the game solo and you dont PvP, so not to be rude but you dont understand what a level 100 on Lost City is coming from.

Also, it hasn't always been this type of business. As you said, there has been a culture change. The game was so different just even a few months ago... Fun and Fresh. People had things to do, people were excited, people were rarely bored. Now its just who can shop shop all those desirable items the best. Why oh Why did PWI change so drastically the past 4 or so months?

EDIT: I know you may not care personally about being "well geared" or "wealthy", but I'm talking generally here, especially on a pvP server.

RedsRose - Lost City

Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »

There are players who make the goal of the game to acquire infinite wealth. Same as there are players who refine 5 gears to +8 for pvp. There are also players who genuinely enjoy the game, making friends, chatting and love being in factions. I believe it's the the type of player really. I know I havn't bought and resold anything since the sale. That is because to me as a person and a person in the game, money isn't everything. Especially inside PWI. Sure I could have made millions and millions many times. But I don't care really. I balance my gaming experience. I could buy and resell scroll of tome, lunar weapons, and other sale items and make millions by the boatload. I don't because I know that would ruin the fun for me. I know when to start and where to stop so the game remains fun for me. Those players can do whatever they like to make the game fun for them. I do what I need to do.

Regards

I am not arguing any of this. You have your opinions and that is that....yours are yours....

A few of us are looking at an overall picture and from a different view point...being this level is expensive!! Not saying no one else's is, but I am coming from what I know!!

And once again...PvP is more expensive imo..../end

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

Also, it hasn't always been this type of business. As you said, there has been a culture change. The game was so different just even a few months ago... Fun and Fresh. People had things to do, people were excited, people were rarely bored. Now its just who can shop shop all those desirable items the best. Why oh Why did PWI change so drastically the past 4 or so months?

EDIT: I know you may not care personally about being "well geared" or "wealthy", but I'm talking generally here, especially on a pvP server.

^

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

And once again...PvP is more expensive imo..../end
^

But isn't that the truth about all pvp.... even in RL... it always gets more expensive, and the ones with the most money, considering same skill, will always have an edge. This is an universal truth in all games, and RL.

A quick search on ebay will show you that even in games without a cash shop, people with money can always get what they want for cash.

Main reason I chose a pve server when playing a f2p game, specialy a game like pwi, where even on pve server you can still choose to pvp (you can pvp for the fun value of it, when one has spare cash:)

Miss_Tika - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But isn't that the truth about all pvp.... even in RL... it always gets more expensive, and the ones with the most money, considering same skill, will always have an edge. This is an universal truth in all games, and RL.

A quick search on ebay will show you that even in games without a cash shop, people with money can always get what they want for cash.

Okay why are you talking about account selling lol. That's not as common as someone cash shopping on a Game like this.

RedsRose - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

But isn't that the truth about all pvp.... even in RL... it always gets more expensive, and the ones with the most money, considering same skill, will always have an edge. This is an universal truth in all games, and RL.

A quick search on ebay will show you that even in games without a cash shop, people with money can always get what they want for cash.

Main reason I chose a pve server when playing a f2p game, specialy a game like pwi, where even on pve server you can still choose to pvp (you can pvp for the fun value of it, when one has spare cash:)

Not saying on ALL PvP...but LC is mad for CS b:chuckle


Oh and CS does NOT buy skill....ijs b:surrender

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

Okay why are you talking about account selling lol. That's not as common as someone cash shopping on a Game like this.

I am talking about item selling, and gold (in-game currency) selling. Look at that new game that is p2p... its flooded with gold bots annoucing gold sales... do you think they are doing it because it is not prevalent? Doa search for gold and that game from blizzard on ebay.... you will see how "common" it is...

RedsRose - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I am talking about item selling, and gold (in-game currency) selling. Look at that new game that is p2p... its flooded with gold bots annoucing gold sales... do you think they are doing it because it is not prevalent?

Meh...gold bots are in PWI as well....

Miss_Tika - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I am talking about item selling, and gold (in-game currency) selling. Look at that new game that is p2p... its flooded with gold bots annoucing gold sales... do you think they are doing it because it is not prevalent?

Ya i'm very familiar with RMT (real money traders). In game coin on a pay to play game is not like in game coin on a f2p game b:surrender

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Meh...gold bots are in PWI as well....

Why do you think that is? because, in every game, even p2p games, it really all boils down to money. People with money will always be able to get an edge (even if the edge is just not having to farm as much).

Foltern - Sanctuary

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

So ya, Packs enable people to level quickly and if you're lucky you can get a nice item (that people used to spend alot of time getting like Lunar stuff), or in this case, save up enough orbs to finally +10 something... which is now a quick buck.

You play the game solo and you dont PvP, so not to be rude but you dont understand what a level 100 on Lost City is coming from.

Also, it hasn't always been this type of business. As you said, there has been a culture change. The game was so different just even a few months ago... Fun and Fresh. People had things to do, people were excited, people were rarely bored. Now its just who can shop shop all those desirable items the best. Why oh Why did PWI change so drastically the past 4 or so months?

EDIT: I know you may not care personally about being "well geared" or "wealthy", but I'm talking generally here, especially on a pvP server.

I understand completely. And your right, Perhaps I have no idea TRUELY where someone who is level 100 on a pvp server is coming from. What I can say is consider my opinion and what parts of it might be called fact as a whole nothing else.

I think that saying getting lunar gear for a quick buck is a bit of exaggeration. In all actuality PWI knows how large their client base is and how many user accounts they have. Using that data they can decide on an apropriate probability for getting nice items from packs to prevent too few or too many from entering the market.

I do see that more and more people are just setting up catshops with scam dq, items, scam tokens and the pack drops. The sale I believe was to generate income which I think we can all agree was succesful.

I do care plenty about being well geared. My information is here: http://www.youtube.com/FOLTERNPWI

My gear is very expensive in game and from gold. It is better sharded and more expensive than what most level 80 players are wearing if not level 90 players.

Overall, I think most the people are caught on alot of this because perhaps they feel that if they dont catshop, if they can't get packs or enough of them or if they cant get all the good stuff, they are at a serious crippling disadvantage which won't allow them to play or enjoy the game because other players are surpassing them financially as well as with gears and other ways too. If you enjoy pvp, Thats probably true. If you want to Pvp for fun and you don't care about competition and winning and you want to have fun doing it you can do it for free. If you like pvp and you want to win and you want to join a land owning faction, It is likely you will need to invest a lot of money.

No player is required to refine gear to +10. No player is required to catshop. Each player has to decide what makes the game fun for them and either quit the game or continue to play for those reasons or make new reasons.

Regards

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

Ya i'm very familiar with RMT (real money traders). In game coin on a pay to play game is not like in game coin on a f2p game b:surrender

They both let you purchase in-game items. And for people using cash to get them, it serves the same purpose. Skipping farming and being able to aquire the gear they want.

Besides my reply was specificaly to Roses "it is very expensive to pvp". Cash gives an edge in all games. That is a fact.

RedsRose - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why do you think that is? because, in every game, even p2p games, it really all boils down to money. People with money will always be able to get an edge (even if the edge is just not having to farm as much).

Money sells.....

Miss_Tika - Lost City

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

They both let you purchase in-game items. And for people using cash to get them, it serves the same purpose. Skipping farming and being able to aquire the gear they want.

Besides my reply was specificaly to Roses "it is very expensive to pvp" and the "cash shoppers have an edge". Cash gives an edge in all games. That is a fact.

Well duh. I dont think anyone is trying to argue that point.

Its that the current cash shop items are ruining the game.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Miss_Tika - Lost City wrote: »

Well duh. I dont think anyone is trying to argue that point.

Its that the current cash shop items are ruining the game.

Actualy, the double exp/drop/spirit events are doing more damage to the game than any packs will ever cause. Specially the double drops. This is the part that lots of people do not get.

perderocona

lol...

u can read on nwes... lots of companys invest milions to develops new games... sell only one dvd with the game for 50 dolars... and get high profit to start anothers game projects... soo...

why u think pwi need put box and try to get more then 200, 300 dolars for anyone here to make a profit or pay the cost of the game??

of course the game need a income money... but its need to be balanced and not agressive to the game...

u wanna waste 300 dolars on new 007 game for your ps3 with only the last mission with all guns?? lol of course no... u wanna a full game for u enjoy since the begin...

i love pw... its a cool game... but now its like another private server and not fun anymore...

Pandaberr - Lost City

CS items ARE supposed to give an edge.

I believe that.

But right now, with all the packs and what not.

Heavy CS'ers are being given swords.

While casual, to non-CS'ers are being given spoons.

I wonder who will win that fight.