PvP- Cleric vs ??

Disappear - Lost City

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

yea yea.. Ive only been to 3-4 TWs

and your right, we lost the TW because of me, cause you know 1 7x cleric makes all the difference in TW. vs 20-25 lvl 9x's

You know, that sarcasm isn't even accurate. in fact, it's true.

Every little bit helps, the purify after Death in TW Works, Heals, and buffs make a difference to, yes, a 7x EP makes a ton of difference when a mage is trying to pull of Sage Bids.

As time goes on, you become more of a damage dealer. By level 80 you should be oneshotting archers with most of your crits, you can do tons of damage to warriors and werebeasts, and even robe priests take a pretty nasty chunk of damage from your sandstorms.
Pandora Posted that.

Kniraven - Lost City

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

yeah, like someone is just staying there and waiting to get cycloned/WT to death.
Nice.

Next please.

...
Both are decently long ranged atk's and after the tempest it really wont take very many sparked wield thunder/cyclones from a decently refined weapon to kill the barb.

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

not to be an ****, but go hit 95+, then come talk to meb:shutup. you really cant comment on end game pvp at level 83.

a single zerk or crit and i can one shot the most powerful cleric on my server. pdef/hp ratio wise. barbs shouldnt be dieing 1v1 to anyone except

1:EXTREMELY geared 101 wizard (crit/pdef based)
2:EXTREMELY GOOD/GEARED 95+ veno. (AA OR LA) (this only happens sometimes, if you plan ur rebuffs + ToP correctly, ull be fine.) Purge, amp spark+ 0pdef + nix = GG barb.

Sure you can, if they're not shelled when you hit.
I could do that too,
not to be an ****, but come to a PvP server where the clerics have spent their entire time lvl30+ honing their timing, fighting, and defending themselves, then come talk to meb:shutup You can't really comment on end game PvP when you spent over half your game time in safe mode.

b:surrender That may have been a little rude, but felt the need to discredit through adhominem attack fallacy in response to your own.

RedsRose - Lost City

Disappear - Lost City wrote: »

Amour deals 77740 damage.

to redsrose
GG

Your a noob....LOL!!

I even said it in WC that it was from boss in 3-3. That same boss one-shotted Amour a few times. Go to 3-3 then talk to me about this...LOL.

I have to say though some good laughs out of that boss b:victory

Get your facts straight...Zzzzzzzzz...and learn not to exaggerate. Besides IF Amour had hit me for that I am sure she would have posted something b:chuckle

That would have been epic imo.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

looks like hes making up stuff to start drama.. again.

*shocked*

Maiya - Lost City

Disappear - Lost City wrote: »

Non Factor b:chuckle
Nagare lost their land to Harvester
Harvester
Harvester

Nagare recruiting 7x?
7x mage :P
7x could qualifiy for Nagare but I'd rather join Harvester,(obv never will) I mean, clearly you lost your land to them.

Now look at Yellowflash. New CQ!
:O
Silly Non-factor Nagare.

I don't know what you're trying to imply here. A ton of people thought we would lose the first week that Harvester attacked us. I wasn't even sure how the hell we won 3 times in a row.

Just because you qualify doesn't mean you would get in.

He's coming back in a few weeks. He's on his alt in Nagare till he brings his BM back.

And we never considered ourselves factor in the first place, so yeah.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

we are the factor of nonfactors, hows that?b:cute

Belliall - Dreamweaver

Honestly cleric is perfect "Duel class".
Its good against any class but in duels.
PvP not so well for clericsb:surrender
Cause they are very slow, have long channeling and they are mostly arcane= weak phys def, so very easily die in PvP. But in duel they rockb:victory

Silver - Dreamweaver

Again, anyone who believes Clerics suck at pvp plz click the X in the RED box on the upper right hand corner of the screen because you odviously have no clue how to play the game.

Kniraven - Lost City

Silver - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Again, anyone who believes Clerics suck at pvp plz click the X in the RED box on the upper right hand corner of the screen because you odviously have no clue how to play the game.

QFT
srsly.

asdfasdf33333

LOLOLOL level 73 cleric talking about endgame PvP

you fail and so does your class.

Lightaine - Dreamweaver

asdfasdf33333 wrote: »

LOLOLOL level 73 cleric talking about endgame PvP

you fail and so does your class.

Cool main bro.

Onnorasid - Lost City

Clerics can beat any class handily, with the exception of barbs. Wizards, i've never lost a duel to, Bms, unless theyre typed to resist metal go down like sack o' bricks. Venos, sleep the nix and theyre useless. If archer is quick enough they win. All in all, unless you're in Harshlands or Lost City, yall shouldnt say nothin about PvP, because then you don't matter and I have no respect for your lame-**** server.b:shocked

HighlevelEA - Lost City

Onnorasid - Lost City wrote: »

Clerics can beat any class handily, with the exception of barbs. Wizards, i've never lost a duel to, Bms, unless theyre typed to resist metal go down like sack o' bricks. Venos, sleep the nix and theyre useless. If archer is quick enough they win. All in all, unless you're in Harshlands or Lost City, yall shouldnt say nothin about PvP, because then you don't matter and I have no respect for your lame-**** server.b:shocked

That was stupid.

Oneshotu - Lost City

/Radar/ - Lost City wrote: »

cleric > bm
cleric > wizard
cleric > veno
cleric = cleric
cleric < barb
cleric < archer

discuss and vote

I'm assuming charmed pvp and all players are pro.If this is the case then:And that they are all 9x

Cleric < BM
Cleric > Wizzard
Cleric =Cleric
Cleric < Barb
Cleric > archer

Kott - Sanctuary

cleric > bm
cleric > wizard
cleric > veno
cleric = cleric
cleric < barb
cleric < archer

PvP 1 vs 1? o.O What's that? Is it some new cashshop item? They probly haven't released it on our server yet cause I never heard of it.

Seriously... I used to switch on pk during wq just for the heck of not being bored to death. If a single player noticed me, they run b:sad If they don't, is only because they have 1 or 2 non-pk mode guildies right next to them, who I doubt would just stand & watch as their friend is getting killed.

& SP or West gate 1 vs 1... b:surrender U're serious...?

InvokerMage - Lost City

cleric = bm
cleric < wizard
cleric < veno (nix)
cleric = cleric
cleric < barb
cleric < archer

Onnorasid - Lost City

and for all u people who felt the need to put down cleric=cleric, L.O.L

LaTrappe - Lost City

I think you'll find any class can kill any other class, Its dependant on 3 things which i shall explain -

Skill - I use this term loosely since well, it is a video game It's not like a real skill like playing a musical instrument or being able to unicycle on a thread over a pool of angry crocodiles. Having said that you need to know how to time your skills.

Gear - I dont care how good you are, a guy with a +1 weapon will never kill the guy with +12 armor in a fight, just how it goes.

Luck - Probably the most important element in this game, that spiked crit you hit someone with under perfect circumstances for 70k dmg.... yeah felt good to get lucky didnt it?

From these 3 things I like to think anyone can kill anyone under the right conditions, assuming the two classes are geared on a par with each other.
Barbs can get hit hard enough to have heiros bypassed under perfect circumstances by eps, Blademasters too, Archers are squishy for eps mostly, Venos are a challange but the nix can easily be overcome as can bleed, wizards and other clerics can be over come too under the right circumstances.

Kniraven - Lost City

Kott - Sanctuary wrote: »

PvP 1 vs 1? o.O What's that? Is it some new cashshop item? They probly haven't released it on our server yet cause I never heard of it.

Seriously... I used to switch on pk during wq just for the heck of not being bored to death. If a single player noticed me, they run b:sad If they don't, is only because they have 1 or 2 non-pk mode guildies right next to them, who I doubt would just stand & watch as their friend is getting killed.

& SP or West gate 1 vs 1... b:surrender U're serious...?

In Lost City, I get 1 vs 1 fights all the damn time. Trick is, after you kill the sucker you leave so they can't Q_Q to their guildies.

InvokerMage - Lost City wrote: »

cleric = bm
cleric < wizard
cleric < veno (nix)
cleric = cleric
cleric < barb
cleric < archer

Wow, you have a very low opinion when it comes to clerics. I'll tell you straight up, that while most clerics on our server have no fricken idea how to PvP and see their class as a support role, I know quite a few that time their moves wonderfully and will kick a BM or Barb's **** any day of the week. Heavy Venos, they totally own.

LaTrappe - Lost City wrote: »

I think you'll find any class can kill any other class, Its dependant on 3 things which i shall explain -

Skill - I use this term loosely since well, it is a video game It's not like a real skill like playing a musical instrument or being able to unicycle on a thread over a pool of angry crocodiles. Having said that you need to know how to time your skills.

Gear - I dont care how good you are, a guy with a +1 weapon will never kill the guy with +12 armor in a fight, just how it goes.

Luck - Probably the most important element in this game, that spiked crit you hit someone with under perfect circumstances for 70k dmg.... yeah felt good to get lucky didnt it?

From these 3 things I like to think anyone can kill anyone under the right conditions, assuming the two classes are geared on a par with each other.
Barbs can get hit hard enough to have heiros bypassed under perfect circumstances by eps, Blademasters too, Archers are squishy for eps mostly, Venos are a challange but the nix can easily be overcome as can bleed, wizards and other clerics can be over come too under the right circumstances.

I agree 100%
Though in my personal opinion, Clerics and BMs need the most skill to press buttons in the correct order at the correct time =P Timing really is everything to those classes.

Ascii - Harshlands

Cleric = Cleric
It Depends who half healths who first then sleeps.

Cleric > Wizard
Endgame Wizards are the King of PvP's but in a 1 v 1 situation, class buffs ect clerics have a advantage.

Cleric < Barb
Hate to say it but when i fight barbs, the only time i kill is with a freak Crit of like 28k (Hello GoScrw) or i time the final hit carfully. Armageddon + Zerk or Crit and im dead. b:sad

Cleric > Veno W/O Nix
I say without becouse venomancer with a nix is a class of its own, but any other pet, sawfly, golem ect die too easily and a veno wont kill a cleric unless they streak crits or something.

Cleric < Veno with Nix
Even endgame Nixs are too much to cope. to survive the cleric needs to be packing everything anti nix, pills, genie skills ect. but weirdly enough the 2k bleed isnt what gets me its the attack speed, nix must have likea haxed interrupt rate. but yea bleed QQ nix QQ. b:cry

Cleric = Archer
its true archers arnt as scary as most make out to be endgame, they die in one or two hits for me but if ur caught off guard and u cant plume shell in time the got u.

Cleric > Blademaster
unless the blademaster is packing anti magic everything, i dont really find blademasters a fight, 90% i can oneshot on HL and the ones i cant die sooner or later, plume shell screws them over. but dont under estermate them, dragon + true emp in the air and your dead, no buts. b:surrender

RezzErection - Harshlands

so far its been

cleric > cleric..
cleric => veno
cleric > bm
cleric = barb
cleric >> wizard
cleric <= archer

Adroit - Lost City

RezzErection - Harshlands wrote: »

so far its been

cleric > cleric..
cleric => veno
cleric > bm
cleric = barb
cleric >> wizard
cleric <= archer

things will change later on.. im not scared of clerics anymore (not to say they cant beat me, but they would need way better gear than me. Their dmg is meh at late game, and BT is the ultimate hiero bypass skill (one shots alot of clerics, and those with alot of hp is pretty ez to get them to 50-60% hp then sleep and BT)

natw

Honestly clerics are the worst class for pvp. Not saying they are that horrible, they can win sometimes but their damage is not that good, their skills are (mostly defensive with very little attacks. They might get better at endgame (lvl 99+) once they have their lvl 11 weild thunder and tempest and their damage gets better. But right now, at lvl 90, this is how it goes for the cleric :

BM: all it takes is one HF or zerk crit when plume shell is down and the clerics are dead. Their magic marrow makes cleric damage about the same or less then theirs while they have more HP and stuns.

Barb: Their massive hp makes it almost impossible for cleric to kill them while they still dish out enough damage to kill the cleric (once they have zerk axes barbs can hit VERY hard).

Archer: The hp difference between archers and clerics really starts to show at 90+. Their hard, fast hitting physical damage is a cleric's worst nightmare. Clerics can hit hard enough to kill an archer but in most cases once the plume shell is gone it only takes a few seconds for the archer to take down the cleric.

Veno: The nixes hard hitting bleed damage is a pain for a cleric, where it can be purified away or reduced by plume shell the veno itself is not easy to beat. Their magic attacks still deal a good amount, enough to kill easy. Cleric is a very defensive class but veno can easily purge away all defenses. The cleric will often find itself to busy trying to defend from the purging, amping, pet and magic damage it won't get much of a chance to kill.

Wizard: Probally the easiest class for a cleric to face. Wizards do have blade tempest that can easily 1 hit a cleric but it takes long enough to cast that it's easy for the cleric to plume shell before it hits. Imo wizards and clerics are pretty evenly matched, both can kill the other. What makes the wizard better in pvp is their ability to take out other classes easier then a cleric can.

Also, now there is a genie skill that makes the caster immune to metal attacks. Immagine that when a cleric demon sparks or tries to tempest.

Again, not saying clerics are horrible at pvp... with the right gears and tactics they can be good I just think other classes are better. A lot depends on level too.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

natw wrote: »

Again, not saying clerics are horrible at pvp... with the right gears and tactics they can be good I just think other classes are better. A lot depends on level too PLAYER SKILLZ and general class knowledge.

there, fixed for you.

and BTW, once slept/sealed by a wizard u pretty much don't have a chance to escape a BT. That's why I added general class knowledge there, looks like you're missing some pretty basic stuff. And no, a BT will not 1 hit a vit cleric (not a lvl 10 one anyway unless it crits), but for sure will one hit every FAC clerics unless they have insane refines.

Miss_QQ - Lost City

Waterboy - Lost City wrote: »

players r both 90+

wiz -undine, gush,sleep, bt b:bye

barb - stun, both debuffs, perdition ur dead without shield/ cleric - dont feel like explainin cause its longb:chuckle

ea with demon qs will end u quickly w/o shield / ep - sleep, debuffs, 1 or 2 genie skills, tempest =dead ea

they did that to me.. and all i see is either 3 digits dmg or resist b:bye
WB's perd with Wiz's BT deal 3 digits is amazing
(no plume shell)

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver

RezzErection - Harshlands wrote: »

so far its been

cleric > cleric..
cleric => veno
cleric > bm
cleric = barb
cleric >> wizard
cleric <= archer

As far as cleric > bm, what lvl range are we talking about? Given that I'm on a PvE server, and that there are not nearly as many pkers, there are still no clerics on the server around my level that are > me. Sure, there are a few clerics in upper 90s with crazy gears from the anni packs who I hit under 1k each hit with no plume shield, but consider how sh*tty my gears are, I don't consider them to be in the same range.

When I stayed at 85 for a couple of months doing nothing but RB and PK, there was only 1 cleric under 90 that I couldn't beat. Until recently, clerics that triple sparks gave me some trouble, but now that I found out that Balance works during sleep, the sleep-debuff-EP-spark-thunder-dead combo doesn't work anymore. Nothing is stopping a cleric getting stun locked til shield's off. If they pop an anti stun pot, then red-sprint+tranq orb works nicely to keep me alive and ripping through their hp.

Teny - Heavens Tear

Cleric > Archer in most PvP scenarios.

I say most, not all.

Example Scenario:

You have your own Cleric buffs, you find a fully buffed archer, sleep him before he stuns you, debuff him, spark, attack and tick through their charm.
They Absolute Domain, your attacks are useless for a while.
As soon as AD wears off, they spark, more invincibility, during this time you'll be tempted to either stack heals or plume shell (don't plume without heavy mp recov items or a charm, preferably both).
But wait, there's more. Soul Shatter -> Debuffs you of plume shell and all buffs, crit twice and you're done.

Personally, besides a super gank or the above scenario, I never really have problems with archers. Although even without buffs if the SS works then all clerics will be in trouble, if the archer uses that immune to movement buffs and then SS hits, plume shell in cooldown and you get stunned, clerics are finished without some heavy apothecary/genie magic.

ShadowDrag - Lost City

Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

wizard > cleric

veno > cleric

cleric = cleric

barb > cleric

archer > cleric

bm > cleric



sorry, but thats how it goes. endgame with decent gears +7/+8, this is how it will turn out most of the time

Rofl...this 1 is totally wrong..but funny =P

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

/Radar/ - Lost City wrote: »

cleric < bm
cleric >>> wizard
cleric > veno
cleric = cleric
cleric = barb
cleric < archer

discuss and vote

At 6x duels (carebears ftw)

Ursa - Dreamweaver

ShadowDrag - Lost City wrote: »

Rofl...this 1 is totally wrong..but funny =P

a very skilled cleric might be able to turn the tide on few of those, but do not think ony at the spells cleric has, take into consideration the range also. A wizard can hit a cleric outside range, has blink to control the range and has seal/sleep to be able to launch a Tempest that will really really hurt a cleric. A 4 nukes sutra while sealed is a deadly(and prolly undined/poison/frenzy) spike dmg no matter what class you are.
Never underestimate the amount of damage a wizard can pull out in 5 secconds. True, u need to wait until 99 to have all the aces, but from 90 you can play at the big table and win.