Anniversary Pack Discussion

BanexOfxEvil - Sanctuary

DemonFox - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Great job PWI! Not only for blatantly money grubbing at your players, but for once again completely avoiding the whole situation by sticking all the criticism threads into 1 easily deletable-ignorable thread!

couldnt agree more with this

in my opinion... gms arnt even gonna read this.. there just gonna delete the whole thread when its time...

prove me wrong gms and reply to some of us here =]

and here i used to think they cared about our opinions(and dont even bother saying u care.. theres a poll right now and 88.8889%(376/423) of the voters said: "no"...<

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see that word right there gms.. you guys seem to have trouble noticing it.. its outlined clearly this time..)?
there all greedy now.... when this event is over i wont be surprised if i log on to find this once good game desolated
i actually expected this to happen.. it always ends up happening in f2p mmos.....

Divine_One - Dreamweaver

This is like you want to tell ppl go away if you dont want to pay... This is Epic fail ... and tell me why ppl go play other games instead of this one.. maybe because GM's Care about players ? I really liked this game but now there isn't point to play anymore ... its not pay to play but its pay to live in game... thanks for making PWi **** b:cry b:bye

Theia - Dreamweaver

Welcome to "Vent Thread"! Please release your anger here, we dont care anyway!!! b:angry

150+ posts and not even ONE reply from GM's???

Whats the point in this thread anyway? b:surrender

StormHydra - Sanctuary

Pirate_Pete - Harshlands wrote: »

* stumbles into thread*

Have any of ya land lubbers seen my buried treasure?? YARR!

* stumbles out of thread*

lol...............

Isala - Sanctuary

Theia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Welcome to "Vent Thread"! Please release your anger here, we dont care anyway!!! b:angry

150+ posts and not even ONE reply from GM's???

Whats the point in this thread anyway? b:surrender

Because they want to herd all the players in here like sheep, so people think they're being listened to. Er.... I mean... Baaaaaa! Baaaa!

Anjiru - Sanctuary

*Voices constructive criticism just like last month and in the "genie resets are gone without warning"-thread*

Like it still matters anyway.

Soul_Thunder - Sanctuary

ok, let's try and develop a well sustained argument with some constructive criticisms and opinions, like you ask for.

firstly, i gotta establish my ground that i am not a fan of the anniversary pack. hell, i don't like them one bit, as i am sure a lot of players do. but that aside, let's look at some reasons for this, instead of the QQ.

1. in any mmorpg, there is something that you work for. for most game, pwi included, we, as players, work for the ever impressive, flashy endgame gears. this gives us players something to aim for, to work towards, to be motivated to sit through the hours of instances raids so we can get the mats, money and other things, so we can get the impressive gears. however, with the anniversary packs, with the end game gears that are easily more powerful than the gears that are obtained via the game mechanisms, this element has been taken out of the game. what is the point of sitting through TTs, FF and other instances, when you can get more powerful and flashy gears from the cash shop?

2. let's think about this one for a minute? what good does the gears from the packs do? yes, they are powerful and awesome looking, but really think about the reason why you wanted to get flashy gears in the first place? so you can feel special, you can be one of the kind and you can get powerful. however, with the introduction of the anni pack gears, what reasons are left?
--you will not feel special, because, from what i can see, close to all high lvl player carry at least one piece of those gears, so how is that special?
--you will not be one of the kind because heaps of people have the same gears as you.
--you will not be powerful with everyone having the same gear.

3. this is aimed for the devs of pwe. think about what anni pack brings to you? yes your gold sale may be at an all time high, but, i bet a lot of the sales are made from those couple of people who blow hundreds of dollars every week anyway. but instead, think about what you are loosing.
--with the gears in the packs, people can get end game gears without sitting through the game. they get to the end goal a lot faster, then what? for most players, they'll just leave. you will loose a lot of players and that will translate into lose of gold sell.
--with the sky high gold price created by the packs, those people who get their cs item via in game coin will just get fed up and leave the game. you'll loose on player base, also, with this kind of players gone, who will buy the gold that is bought and sold by other players? with no one to buy their gold, who will still spend as much money in the game and how will you sustain your zen sell and your income?
--you will not only loose on the currently player base, you will also loose on the future potential player base as well. how do we know about a game? we know it from the word of mouth from people who is playing/has played the game before. we know it from our friends, from site reviews. how are you suppose to attract new players if their friends and the reviewers hold a sour attitude towards this game? of course, this also leads to a decrease of your zen sell from potential gamers.

4. after all, this game is marketed as a f2p game. i have played heaps of f2p games before, and non of which had such a huge emphasis on the cash shop, however, those games are still going, the companies are still making money. so what is so different about pwi? if the other companies can do that, i am sure you guys can as well. if a game is marketed as f2p, then a player should be able to get through the game without the use of cash shop items, they will just be a luxury after all. however, is that possible with the content of pwi? battle pets are put into such an emphasis to the point that high lvl venos without battle pets have significantly less opportunity to get into parties; you will not survive a lot of the game content, eg, TT, RB, TW etc, if you don't have a charm. there are of course much more elements to this, but i'm just naming a couple.

if you were to make the a f2p game having such emphasis on cash shop items, you are forcing the players to spend real life money and that just goes against f2p to start of with. also, let's be honest, cash shop items are not cheap any way, so you'll end up spending more on this game than you would in a p2p game. at least in a p2p game, the content are free for all, everyone has the same opportunity to get to the end. so why would people still play this game?

in conclusion, don't just focus on the immediate gains you get from these sales, rather think about the future of the game. after all, happy players make a game better, happy players attract more players into the game, happy players will stay and recharge zen, happy players will increase your income.

Progrinder - Dreamweaver

Really don't know what you want doing this thread... Seeing that no, the majority of the player did not wanted to see those back?b:surrender

Divine_One - Dreamweaver

Hell Yea !

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear

LOL make a thread like this AFTER you re-add the pack.Talk about shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

IF you had seriously cared about players views you would have opened this thread BEFORE re-adding them, but then you knew the answer you would get didnt you ??

This thread is nothing more than a PR exercise "Lets give the players 1 place where they can vent and QQ ........................ then we can ignore them all at once".

If you were going to add another pack atleast could have waited a few days then released the Halloween pack (or have we got that to look forward to aswell) and pretended there was a reason for it, other than what it is now a blatant attempt to suck as much $ from people as possible

Note: You knew how bad the Duke's red spam was last time and changed it with a patch.... so why o why did you not even have the smarts to turn off the red spam this time.... (starts to wonder if anyone there really has a clue)

Myralis - Sanctuary

Only thoughts: Are you insane...?

Wont charge zen anytime soon.
If gold stays at 400k one, fine bite me.
Not up for giving real money for that **** then lol

Hayyel - Lost City

Soul_thunder, i thank you for the awesome comment. b:kiss

Just wonder if this will ever get read or they will just delete it when they get bored of it.

Xeian - Dreamweaver

aparently.. "they think no means yes, and get lose means take me I'm yours" (quote herc. disney movie)

Soul_Thunder - Sanctuary

Hayyel - Lost City wrote: »

Soul_thunder, i thank you for the awesome comment. b:kiss

Just wonder if this will ever get read or they will just delete it when they get bored of it.

b:cute thank you, glad someone actually read it though

Hayyel - Lost City

Soul_Thunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:cute thank you, glad someone actually read it though

b:chuckleb:laugh i actually stopped grinding and went to a SZ when i seen the long post

Soul_Thunder - Sanctuary

lol i got kinda sick of my chat window getting horribly spammed by Duke with his devil red message, so i thought i might just take the time and express a bitb:laugh

for all of us that are complaining about Duke, he's there so the Devs can make us see how many packs were sold. he's also there to show us the "awesome stuff" you can obtain from those packs, so you feel the urge to buy some pack yourselves. in the end, it's just another money making tool of pwe >.<

if you actually look at the names of the players, you'll notice they are mostly just that handful of the same players.
"popular player demand"...yeh right

Hayyel - Lost City

actually i dont even know why i still bother grinding... not as if i could afford anything. so yeah, this thread, even if no gm would read it, at least got my interest.

just makes me sad that they do as if they care, even tho they dont. well, anyways, shows how naive we, mere human beings are.... like when you believed your parents, the only way to gain respect is to be honest. i wish they would at least admit why did they bring them back, and not just give us sum bs. b:surrender

LordPangu - Harshlands

Man, things were starting to head in a good way in harshlands with the revival of TW and pvp. Dolls were becoming affordable and Charms aswell.

Why in the fk they had to put anni packs back to make one more time the gold inflate and make everything complete **** again? Who said we needed the packs back if more then 80% of the ppl on EVERY SERVER were agaisnt t?

The new servers r already empty cause ALOT of ppl quit the game cause they just couldnt handle the economy on pwi. Now with the return of those packs when everything was starting to get a LITTLE better, more players lost the hope and i gotta say that whoever is on the MANAGEMENT department of pwi events and stuff is doing really bad decisions.

Bye bye and have a nice day b:bye

Sancrkf - Heavens Tear

WOOT I want 2 birthdays a year too!! b:laugh

b:surrender

Hayyel - Lost City

Or maybe they just ran out of idas for holloween and this is their way to make us forget bout it. guys... where are all the fun events, where even tho u couldnt get anything you still left happily, that at least you had a good time?

Soul_Thunder - Sanctuary

i have just gaven up lvling as well...

i actually stopped playing just before the last release of anni pack until every recently, mostly due to the sky high gold price makes it impossible to get the necessaries like charms.

i started this barb just this week, when i saw the gold prices started to go down, so thought i could come back to this game, after all it is a very nice game. what do i find? after just the one week of peace, just as the community starts to recover, they release this trouble causing item again! seriously what good, long term wise, do the pack bring?!

from this trend, it will be very interesting to see what they have in-stored for us when the tideborns come out. money bet that cash shop will play a huge part in it...

Bollocks - Dreamweaver

So, tell me please. What are we celebrating this time? b:lipcurl

Edit: Good point there Soul_Thunder. I wouldnt be suprised if those Tideborn require the nessasary cashshop items. Or maybe we just gave them an idea b:surrender

Hayyel - Lost City

Bollocks - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So, tell me please. What are we celebrating this time? b:lipcurl

the popular demand, my guess would be. anyways. it is the one week anniversary since the last stupid sell. b:surrender

Akamanah - Lost City

A question for the staff...what u guys wanna buy? I mean the last month with the money u got u could buy ferraries for the whole staff... wtf? If u guys want this game to be p2p than do it!!! cuz it's not like there's a big difference between pwi and let's say... wow?(i mean with the p2p stuff, maybe there the economy is more balanced). Well anyway putting that aside....any bets how long this game will last? I say it wont last more than 1 year.

Divine_One - Dreamweaver

NOT even ONE reply from GM's ? ... impressive,good way show how much you care about us... Thanks GM's ... this is really sad

Hayyel - Lost City

lol, if they would have really cared they would have asked about this like... idk... IN GAME? since most ppl dont even read forums anyway...

Xeian - Dreamweaver

"i actually stopped playing just before the last release of anni pack until every recently, mostly due to the sky high gold price makes it impossible to get the necessaries like charms."

necessaries? I have yet to use any non-pwe-handed charms. I grind lvls 12 higher and die very seldom

Soul_Thunder - Sanctuary

Akamanah - Lost City wrote: »

A question for the staff...what u guys wanna buy? I mean the last month with the money u got u could buy ferraries for the whole staff... wtf? If u guys want this game to be p2p than do it!!! cuz it's not like there's a big difference between pwi and let's say... wow?(i mean with the p2p stuff, maybe there the economy is more balanced). Well anyway putting that aside....any bets how long this game will last? I say it wont last more than 1 year.

it will makes a lot of difference actually. Wow is about 20 bucks per month? with that money, you have a fair play in the game to get everything that's available. in pwi, 20 bucks will get you 5 charms, which depends on what class are you, can be burnt through in just 5 days. also, you'd have to live through the fact that you will not have the access to a lot of the game content, or you'll have to work so much harder to achieve certain game status, all because you don't recharge zen.

Ferrari?! they can probably afford to buy a Lamborghini Reventon for each of their stuff; a beach-side mansion for everyone and everyday they can go their, turn up the music and pour champagne into the wide ocean just for fun...

Isala - Sanctuary

Xeian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

"i actually stopped playing just before the last release of anni pack until every recently, mostly due to the sky high gold price makes it impossible to get the necessaries like charms."

necessaries? I have yet to use any non-pwe-handed charms. I grind lvls 12 higher and die very seldom

Unless you're referring to an Alt, you're a Veno. We do stuff like that without even thinking.

Soul_Thunder - Sanctuary

Xeian - Dreamweaver wrote: »

"i actually stopped playing just before the last release of anni pack until every recently, mostly due to the sky high gold price makes it impossible to get the necessaries like charms."

necessaries? I have yet to use any non-pwe-handed charms. I grind lvls 12 higher and die very seldom

archer barrage, all cleric skills burn through mp charms very nicely.b:surrender