Cleric vs. Wizards
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Don't forget the warsoul hat, which also gives -3% channeling. There are a few on PWI, because that event was active for one week before they removed the NPC.Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »edit:
i forgot to add: rank 5 top has -3% channeling. so -97% is possible.
And apparently there's an event cape with -3% chan too, but that's part of the new challenge/rep system that isn't implemented here yet.
There might be a few other misc items with -3% channeling on them as well, I'd have to check the 1k streams forges again.0 -
OK, i was thinkin about the "competition" between those two. What is up with that? So this is what i ask you ppl, who do u think is better, and why. Also, whatever you say, im not gonna judge u no it or say anything more. As they say "If you can't beat em, join em"
in my opinion wizards are lots better because they have very strong magic attacks when a higher level and clerics are only useful for healing and there physical attack bonus doesnt really help beacause it has not have the defence like the barbarian plz do not take this in the wrong way any clerics but wizards are the better class in my opinion and are easier to control unlike clerics with the wingsb:coolb:cool0 -
Calliope - Heavens Tear wrote: »Don't forget the warsoul hat, which also gives -3% channeling. There are a few on PWI, because that event was active for one week before they removed the NPC.
And apparently there's an event cape with -3% chan too, but that's part of the new challenge/rep system that isn't implemented here yet.
There might be a few other misc items with -3% channeling on them as well, I'd have to check the 1k streams forges again.
if you're going to say that, then only cheaper in our server could have it. he's the only one in heaven's tear with it. i left it out because it's not obtainable, everything else is.0 -
Sirozurak - Lost City wrote: »in my opinion wizards are lots better because they have very strong magic attacks when a higher level and clerics are only useful for healing and there physical attack bonus doesnt really help beacause it has not have the defence like the barbarian plz do not take this in the wrong way any clerics but wizards are the better class in my opinion and are easier to control unlike clerics with the wingsb:coolb:cool
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Aww some cry babies think im a troll b:sadWe're MysticAve my name is not Dave
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Should take it as a compliment, apparently some people think you can't be as dumb as you make yourself look.Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »Aww some cry babies think im a troll b:sadWondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0 -
Sirozurak - Lost City wrote: »in my opinion wizards are lots better because they have very strong magic attacks when a higher level and clerics are only useful for healing and there physical attack bonus doesnt really help beacause it has not have the defence like the barbarian plz do not take this in the wrong way any clerics but wizards are the better class in my opinion and are easier to control unlike clerics with the wingsb:coolb:cool
Right, wizards are DD class, and clerics are support. Clerics, however, have the upper advantage with plume shot. NO, wizards are NOT barbarians, therefore you have low pdef. Please support your argument with facts.0 -
Mysticlifex - Heavens Tear wrote: »Aww some cry babies think im a troll b:sad
You're not, you're just a baddie who wants to seem tough, yet all you do is spew bs without supporting your opinion. Nice.0 -
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Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »^it doesn't actually do that, that's not a real picture lol. u still have cast times, u just have no channeling.
why isnt it real? its mentioned a fair bit on chinese servers as a bug that bypasses casting animation. i know what sutra is, and that isnt what 100% channeling looks like.
from what the guide says, channeling items
weapon -6
glove - 6
pend - 12
belt - 12
ring - 12
ring - 12
rank armor 6
frost helm 3
frost cape 3
hell spark - 25
obviously those items are gonna take a lifetime to obtain which is why theres supposed to be only a few able to do it.0 -
because i've witnessed it. -99% isn't going to magically kill all animations while -100% doesn't. u would have to bypass the animations with a 3rd party, and i doubt u would want to after spending 5 years getting the items.
have u ever used sutra? i'm sure u have, it sure is fun to use. it's like using sutra with a slight lag of .1 seconds. the annoying kind that kills a perfect 5 hit combo0 -
Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »because i've witnessed it. -99% isn't going to magically kill all animations while -100% doesn't. u would have to bypass the animations with a 3rd party, and i doubt u would want to after spending 5 years getting the items.
have u ever used sutra? i'm sure u have, it sure is fun to use. it's like using sutra with a slight lag of .1 seconds. the annoying kind that kills a perfect 5 hit combo
witnessed what?
I never said magically, i said it was a bug. If this bug doesnt exist then why is it talked about on other servers?
And yea i've used sutra, so i know what 99% should look like. I think we both agree that SS isnt what 99% looks like, since casting animation is bypassed in it. But im saying its a bug, and your saying its fake. Decent editing job on the gif if your right.0 -
i witnessed someone with -77% channeling use hell fury. it's like sutra, not an animation killing bug.
it's talked about on other servers, that's it. talked about. it's a myth, like snake in 1-2/1-3 where the hands are suppose to clap because other servers said that's what it does.0 -
and yet theres a lovely picture of this 'myth', but you can only explain it as fake.0
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Hidden - Lost City wrote: »and yet theres a lovely picture of this 'myth', but you can only explain it as fake.
it's the only way i can describe it, because i've witnessed people with that kind of channeling gear. it wouldn't make sense for this random to be able to do it and others unable, unless, he had something preventing the animations.
the man in the picture doesn't use the rank top either. so his channeling isn't that high anyways. the reason people say such a high -chan cancels channeling is because nobody can get there to test it outside of cn. someone in my-en has like -6x%, and they've been playing for over 4 years.0 -
I don't care about channeling. Wtf are the F7 and F8 skills that the mage uses?0
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f8 appears to look like the level 100 skill, but that's impossible to spam. it has the animation of morning dew. and if u watch, there's only 4 animations going on:
rock fall, glacial snare, gush, and morning dew being spammed throughout the gif. i don't get that.
but 5 hits. so unless he's doing damage with morning dew, he's like hacking or something lol. because whenever he uses it, the guard takes damage.0 -
It must be Exodus from Harshlands!!! Morning dew= 7x stronger than Ice Dragon for him, and frostblade will kill anybody 1 shot(except friends, it revives them ^^)
Btw Cleric>Mage = fact. Clerics were put in PWI to balance out the OPness of mages.
Mages cant beat clerics= fiction. crit luck ^^0 -
found out that f8 is demon morning dew. for some reason it changes the icon.0
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It's sad that Ayano and DirtyWiz don't put a foot in this forum.
Liessss b:sad ! I actually check forums allot,I'm just not interested in this current topic to post anything(oh wait ...I just did ,damn I fail b:cry ).
Wiziez are just for those who can endure the hardships/like to go against the odds.Pvping doesn't bother me,challenges = fun even tho a lil' improvement wouldn't hurt.On topic now:(wiz vs cleric) while u will burn sparks so many times in hopes of killing ,I only need 2 sparks and 20 chi to kill u and a certain right moment to use them,oh yea and I'm a "supposedly" weak against vit robe builds LA mage ,a pure mage would have an easier time vs u if it's build right of course.
Off topic: The main problem that I so hate is hard to get TTs mainly the 90s when archers are needed to max out sharp tooth,thus are favored over us,but that doesn't mean you can't do them,it's just more of a pain searching for them unless u got a really really really good veno friend that is willing to farm all your gears with u lol. This could also be called a challenge but it's a boring one >< and yes I'll admit I'm sorta jealous of clerics being such a needed pve class :P over me .0 -
The only benefit we bring into TT is... we can create pretty little blue circles around their weapons! Aside from that, archers really have a way better dps output than us..
Nothing beats 16% hp cut off instantly.. >_<0 -
Ayano-chan - Sanctuary wrote: »Off topic: The main problem that I so hate is hard to get TTs mainly the 90s when archers are needed to max out sharp tooth,thus are favored over us,but that doesn't mean you can't do them,it's just more of a pain searching for them unless u got a really really really good veno friend that is willing to farm all your gears with u lol. This could also be called a challenge but it's a boring one >< and yes I'll admit I'm sorta jealous of clerics being such a needed pve class :P over me .
Oh irony:)
I think RedSpeller was hoping You would explain everyone how awsome class wizards are.
Ok, no need to beat a dead horse. For those, who can't understand why for some of us wizards simply suck (no matter how well played they are) there is no hope.0 -
the only reason you think a wizard sucks is because you don't know how to play your class. if it was so damned awful, nobody would make one. shut up.0
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Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »the only reason you think a wizard sucks is because you don't know how to play your class.
No. It's not true. I think it sucks, because I can't satisfy my expectations playing it. Sure the problem may be with my expectations and sure It may be the case, that I don't know how to play, to satisfy them. but I'm not the only one. I asked a few questions here and in other threads and I didn't get a single satisfying answer, so it seems nobody knows how to play that class to satisfy my requirement. And the requirement is simple. The class should make sense in PvE too. Do You think it's over the top?
Now You can enlighten us how to play a wizard, so it has some unique role as a squad member in PvE no other class can perform equally well, or you can shut up yourself.
Ok wait. I got a few suggestions actually. Tanking some bosses, do some damage in zhen party cheaper than an archer and letting the squad get bonus beans at the beginning of rebirth order, but at the same time weakening the squad in comparison with the one including two archers.
I am not satisfied. Feel free to blame me.
Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »if it was so damned awful, nobody would make one.
You are wrong again. If it was so damned awful and everybody knew about it, nobody would make one. Now look at levels of people who complain. No not just mine. Look at others. I don't think they complained 30 levels ago. I didn't. Now they do. The problem is that it takes 70+ levels to realise a few things. And there is a difference between someone lvl 20 complaining about doing quests being too hard and someone lvl 70+ complaining about overall game design and class roles. You don't see a difference, do You?
And it's not "so damned awful" in the first place. I'm still playing. But it's frustrating enough to vent here. Feel free to scream "shut up".0 -
Weakening? How taking wiz instead of archer can weaken squad?Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok wait. I got a few suggestions actually. Tanking some bosses, do some damage in zhen party cheaper than an archer and letting the squad get bonus beans at the beginning of rebirth order, but at the same time weakening the squad in comparison with the one including two archers.--
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Rinnve - Lost City wrote: »Weakening? How taking wiz instead of archer can weaken squad?
That's what people write. Especially the guide on rebirth. According to it, squad with two archers is stronger than archer + wizard and the one with two wizards is doomed. I don't know how to interpret the numbers for archers in skill descriptions I can find on ecatomb, but it seems that equal level Barrage is stronger than DB. And most probably for a reason, so archers can pull agro form wizards and then loose it, when the mobs enter half damage zone around archers. That should cause mobs to go around.
But the most important, I think, is the fact, that DB does fire type damage and Barrage physical. And it's a huge difference. I don't want to get started on what I think about that game and class design. You can probably imagine
. All I can tell from my own experience is that increased defence mobs are not even in one forth as problematic for archers as fire type mobs in fire wave of rebirth for wizards. My guess is that squad with two wizards would simply get eaten by fire wave. In rebirth the difference in resistance to particular element between mobs of that element and other is huge, way bigger than elsewhere. 0 -
Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »the only reason you think a wizard sucks is because you don't know how to play your class. if it was so damned awful, nobody would make one. shut up.
b:sad Why come to the Wizzy forum and be all grumpy?
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the biggest reason people want an archer over a wizard in gv is his armour choice. there's a LOT of monsters coming at you all at once, and a lot of them deal physical damage. archers can take on that physical a lot easier because of their light armour, so guess what kind of wizard they'd want? that's right, a light armoured one.
and, on top of that, the monsters that come have random stats. like "increased life" and "increase magic resistance". if you've ever compared increased magic res to increased defense, you'll realize that the magic resistance is amplified to such an extent that magic is hitting null. you can still deal damage to increased defense mobs with physical, nerfing you about 25% less damage. magic feels like it's hitting almost 90% lower.
but, i rather have a combination of the 2; a 2nd cleric is all you need to make it work. and on the fire wave the wizard doesn't have to open zhen, he could just aoe with normal skills and single target some lol.0 -
You might want to compare Archer defense to Arcane Wizard defense. Assuming the wizard isn't ****.Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »the biggest reason people want an archer over a wizard in gv is his armour choice. there's a LOT of monsters coming at you all at once, and a lot of them deal physical damage. archers can take on that physical a lot easier because of their light armour, so guess what kind of wizard they'd want? that's right, a light armoured one.Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0
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