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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Oh yeah, forgot about Lefthand, he sorta disappeared into the shadows @.@ Tshogun had to quit due to surgery i think? :c

    edit: Why didn't anyone think of going fist when packs first came out anyways? Doesn't seem like anything new came out and all of a sudden fist BM is the new rage

    Because we had to show them how they work, that they work, what needs to be done, and why it will all work. Ya really think the BM masses will think? They had axe vit forced into their mind to do their thinking for them, they needed us fist BMs to do the same thinking for them again before making the switch. When was originality a major part of PWI? :)

    EDIT: Just remembered that Nef did have a fist BM using AoS back in October 2008. We used to joke around while I grinded on my old main and split the foxwing supreme spawns at etherblade while grinding our levels. Can't remember his name, but was one of the guys who gave Nef a good name all the way back when. He was in the top 10 list for player level at the time as well.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

    :NOTE: These signatures are to forever immortalize, how stupid people can be.
  • Accel - Raging Tide
    Accel - Raging Tide Posts: 673 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Because we had to show them how they work, that they work, what needs to be done, and why it will all work. Ya really think the BM masses will think? They had axe vit forced into their mind to do their thinking for them, they needed us fist BMs to do the same thinking for them again before making the switch. When was originality a major part of PWI? :)

    Meh, I saw fist BMs on a private server hitting 5 aps which was insane. They had other equipment that gave - interval but yeah it was pretty insane b:shocked
    You can't see me b:avoid.
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Meh, I saw fist BMs on a private server hitting 5 aps which was insane. They had other equipment that gave - interval but yeah it was pretty insane b:shocked

    Lol? Who needs priv serv. didn't FrostKiller hit 5atk rate a bit ago?

    ._. I still haven't seen it in action QQ
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • HolyInferno - Sanctuary
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary Posts: 767 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Lefthand was one of the first fist BMs, and I used to talk to him about them pretty frequently. Even wrote the str/dex damage comparison on legendary forums sometime in Dec 08 I think. Magnate was a fist BM who came after Left though.

    I'm usually hesitant about declaring firsts or what not but...

    Wasn't _Ami the/one of the the first fist BMs? He used to tell me about how he read on the MY-EN forums about how the best DPS char in game was fist so he chose to go fist. Also, how Sinangel ridiculed him about being a fist bm in a fb39 long ago and shut him up by out tanking him and beating him in a duel.

    Old memories creeping back in. shrug idk :P
    b:bye you were all swell peoples
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'm usually hesitant about declaring firsts or what not but...

    Wasn't _Ami the/one of the the first fist BMs? He used to tell me about how he read on the MY-EN forums about how the best DPS char in game was fist so he chose to go fist. Also, how Sinangel ridiculed him about being a fist bm in a fb39 long ago and shut him up by out tanking him and beating him in a duel.

    Old memories creeping back in. shrug idk :P

    Ami went back and forth on which weapon they used. First met them in static group and they were using some other weapon. When we did our FB69 tabs, they ended up using Dark Flashes later on to help Sinanju and I out by getting some extra self-healing and DPS on the bosses. Then later on they got a pair of 3* dual swords with a nice damage debuff proc that they used alot in TT runs. Don't know if they ever went serious fist after I moved, but Ami was more using whichever weapon they currently had good stats on than a fist BM.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

    :NOTE: These signatures are to forever immortalize, how stupid people can be.
  • HolyInferno - Sanctuary
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary Posts: 767 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ami went back and forth on which weapon they used. First met them in static group and they were using some other weapon. When we did our FB69 tabs, they ended up using Dark Flashes later on to help Sinanju and I out by getting some extra self-healing and DPS on the bosses. Then later on they got a pair of 3* dual swords with a nice damage debuff proc that they used alot in TT runs. Don't know if they ever went serious fist after I moved, but Ami was more using whichever weapon they currently had good stats on than a fist BM.

    Ah, now I remember. Ami was like a jack of all trades when it came to weapons, but I always assumed his main focus was around the fists , seeing as his built was designed to hold fists. It's just that any other weapon he used (swords, even unicorn bow) was merely because it fit into his build. Regardless, I do find it pretty funny how so few back then even considered fists, facing ridcule from all other BMs and then suddenly, its the new rage >.>
    b:bye you were all swell peoples
  • Accel - Raging Tide
    Accel - Raging Tide Posts: 673 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Lol? Who needs priv serv. didn't FrostKiller hit 5atk rate a bit ago?

    ._. I still haven't seen it in action QQ

    Lol? I never said you needed priv servs, it's just that the first time I saw 5 aps was on a private server. Once Anni packs came out, 5 aps was available. Just nobody started doing it until recently.

    o BTW FrostKiller uses tt99 evasion ornas... b:laugh ez one shot kthx.
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ah, now I remember. Ami was like a jack of all trades when it came to weapons, but I always assumed his main focus was around the fists , seeing as his built was designed to hold fists. It's just that any other weapon he used (swords, even unicorn bow) was merely because it fit into his build. Regardless, I do find it pretty funny how so few back then even considered fists, facing ridcule from all other BMs and then suddenly, its the new rage >.>

    blahblahblah mr claw barb b:kiss
    You can't see me b:avoid.
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited March 2010

    o BTW FrostKiller uses tt99 evasion ornas... ez one shot kthx.

    Rofl yeah I saw that.

    The protection 99 orns + 2 LA parts works so much nicer for archers ._. to get -int
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I'll be honest, fists weren't all that great until the anni packs made interval equipment a lot more accessible.

    I just made LA99 boots and wrists myself, decided it wasn't worth the cost or time to remake LA99 chest and HA99 boots just for 18 stat points... the extra 1k p def loss from the chest makes it not worth spending 60m remaking another chest.

    by the way, why evasion ornaments? o_o they're useless P:
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  • Shandelzare - Sanctuary
    Shandelzare - Sanctuary Posts: 732 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Har har har , I explained myself once already & too lazy to do so again b:pleased .


    Shand was always a bully Q_Q .

    I'm enjoying it until I can no longer get fun TWs on the fishie server b:cute .

    Lol that won't be long give it a month or two.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'll be honest, fists weren't all that great until the anni packs made interval equipment a lot more accessible.

    I just made LA99 boots and wrists myself, decided it wasn't worth the cost or time to remake LA99 chest and HA99 boots just for 18 stat points... the extra 1k p def loss from the chest makes it not worth spending 60m remaking another chest.

    by the way, why evasion ornaments? o_o they're useless P:


    Rofl b:chuckle 2 pieces of LA 99 gear just like 2 of HA will give -.05int int bonus. So you can equip for example 2 HA arm, leggings + 2 eva LA ornaments so ul get 2x -.05 bonus
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • SpiritDivine - Sanctuary
    SpiritDivine - Sanctuary Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    SarahC - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Like possibly your faction I would presume?

    Why would you think so? Personally i do not have any claim for land or TW glory in PWI but like the PVE part of the game with for example instances. I feel to old for PK and the sort. (Not saying there should be an age cap for anyone else when doing PK just my personal feelings when thinking of myself in pk. That is why i picked a PVE server.)
    Strife_son - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why does any one faction have to hold the map in its entirety Spirit? You probably have no clue, but TW in this game used to be "fairly" dynamic when the map was colorful. The potential for shifting alliances and plots to remove a faction off the map is a lot more interesting than seeing the same thing happen week after week.

    Fact is, the TW system is horrible. As a friend of mine said to me last night. "If a faction can hold 50 lands and only have to defend 3 at any given weekend slot, there is no challenge. 200vs240 isn't even a real challenge."

    But yeah, god forbid trash-talkers (which Nef has 0 of ;] ) get a chance at making onto the map.

    A wise man once said that anyone who assumes someone else to be clueless is most likely clueless themself.

    I didnt say any one faction needs to hold the map but i did give my fair in the post that the most prominent trash talk factions would dominate the map if nef was gone as things stand now. I also put forward my hope that nicer factions could keep that from happening.

    I dont see how the TW system being bad got anything to do with me. It rather confuses your post as you said one faction doesnt need to hold the map and then you put forward an argument on why it is likely to happen.

    Nef has trash talkers too. As was stated by someone else even the nicest factions and nicest people can profile themself in that way from time to time. At least in some peoples eyes. But just cause noone is innocent does that mean that we all need to stand idle when people do things we do not agree with? I do not understand your point sorry. I cant hold, for example, your behaviour as something i dont like cause someone in Nef has trash talked at some point too?

    I might be an idealistic dreamer that hope for helpfulness and friendliness for everyone and seing something turn in opposite directions scares me.

    Your friend, SpiritDivine
  • Strife_son - Sanctuary
    Strife_son - Sanctuary Posts: 1,217 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I remember a certain manly sounding veno/sin saying on vent that they would convince a well recognized BM on the server to restat magic and use a glaive or something, and the server would follow suit.

    Bandwagon, i r on et.

    Oh and the tt99 evasion belt isn't that bad. I'd give up a few hundred ele res for it's stats. But the evasion necklace is horrid. lose 5% hp and not bother to make it up in refines/sharding? Yikes~

    Working on my "Pan Gu, Creator" for my interval bonus. Get ready to eat your heart out "Love Up, And Down" users >D
  • Accel - Raging Tide
    Accel - Raging Tide Posts: 673 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I would not give up elemental res + other stats for 7-8 dex, 5-6 vit and 1 crit + useless stat b:shocked

    edit: strifey going for ghetto love up and down b:sin
    You can't see me b:avoid.
  • HolyInferno - Sanctuary
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary Posts: 767 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Strife_son - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I remember a certain manly sounding veno/sin saying on vent that they would convince a well recognized BM on the server to restat magic and use a glaive or something, and the server would follow suit.


    God damn ****_son. you hearing voices again?
    b:bye you were all swell peoples
  • Accel - Raging Tide
    Accel - Raging Tide Posts: 673 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    God damn ****_son. you hearing voices again?

    He forgot to include claw panda barbs b:dirty
    You can't see me b:avoid.
  • HolyInferno - Sanctuary
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary Posts: 767 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    He forgot to include claw panda barbs b:dirty

    that's just pro
    b:bye you were all swell peoples
  • Strife_son - Sanctuary
    Strife_son - Sanctuary Posts: 1,217 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »
    God damn ****_son. you hearing voices again?

    I blame the mescaline @_@

    Females with deep man voices telling me how to reform the server, must obey.

    *insert subliminal messages here*
  • Accel - Raging Tide
    Accel - Raging Tide Posts: 673 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Strife_son - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I blame the mescaline @_@

    Females with deep man voices telling me how to reform the server, must obey.

    *insert subliminal messages here*

    Must serve the female with deep manly voices b:dirty
    You can't see me b:avoid.
  • RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary
    RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Man...if only april fools was more exiting today....

    Like a fake map reset!

    They could even officially announce it!
    "Due to an unfortunate server error, the entire map has reset itself, we are sorry for the inconvenience!"

    Even make it biddable, but then reverse it like 2 hours before bidding closure time.
  • Stealthninja - Sanctuary
    Stealthninja - Sanctuary Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Man...if only april fools was more exiting today....

    Like a fake map reset!

    They could even officially announce it!
    "Due to an unfortunate server error, the entire map has reset itself, we are sorry for the inconvenience!"

    Even make it biddable, but then reverse it like 2 hours before bidding closure time.

    haha that would be funny
    but what would be better is if they didnt change the map back.. I wanna see all the nefs QQ XDDDD
  • Stealthninja - Sanctuary
    Stealthninja - Sanctuary Posts: 111 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Accel - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I think it was Kyosora, but that was when there was no interval gear and he got rocked by wizards b:chuckle

    edit: Legendary had TShogun and Magnate and dreadcrozz(didnt bother to spell his name correctly)

    that spelling is correct Kyosora. I know this cuz he just app'ed to my faction xD

    and its DreadCrozZ i think << freaking beast of a BM
    Magnate was good too and he even wore LA gear
  • Strife_son - Sanctuary
    Strife_son - Sanctuary Posts: 1,217 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Dread and Magnate both came in after Steel collapsed. Both were smexy good for fist bm's pre anni packs.
  • SarahC - Sanctuary
    SarahC - Sanctuary Posts: 223 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    SpiritDivine - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why would you think so? Personally i do not have any claim for land or TW glory in PWI but like the PVE part of the game with for example instances. I feel to old for PK and the sort. (Not saying there should be an age cap for anyone else when doing PK just my personal feelings when thinking of myself in pk. That is why i picked a PVE server.)

    You left your faction off the list, I had to assume sorry...rofl
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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Rofl b:chuckle 2 pieces of LA 99 gear just like 2 of HA will give -.05int int bonus. So you can equip for example 2 HA arm, leggings + 2 eva LA ornaments so ul get 2x -.05 bonus

    We've been mocking the BMs that use that BS cop-out of fists not being good until packs came out for much the same reason. First, fists became worth it starting at lvl 60 with AoS and DQ Bracers. And considering how much money the BMs of the time sunk into their other weapons and lower TT armors, they can't complain about the 5-6 mil cost of the bracers at that time. At 99 before packs, getting the proper gear set-up, fists are real dang awesome with demon spark, hitting 2.86 APS. The BMs who think that fists weren't good at the time never bothered getting the proper TT90 green for it, proving them once again liars in that they truly had no idea how fists worked. Otherwise they wouldn't have had to redo their armor after packs came out.

    So yes, any BM saying they didn't go fist before packs came out because it wasn't good yet is lieing their **** off. Usually you can just go through their posts from before and see that they are contradicting themselves, but it's easier to just squeak their clown nose and continue on.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

    :NOTE: These signatures are to forever immortalize, how stupid people can be.
  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Rofl b:chuckle 2 pieces of LA 99 gear just like 2 of HA will give -.05int int bonus. So you can equip for example 2 HA arm, leggings + 2 eva LA ornaments so ul get 2x -.05 bonus

    I'm well aware it gives the interval bonus on ornaments too, but at what cost? Losing Mage Def/5% HP will get you one shot in TW. The benefits are outweighed by the survivability deficiencies involved.

    I'll admit I'm one of the newer fist users, I've always been a heavy Vit axe build, for the sole purpose of being a cat squad BM for the 18 or so months I've been TWing. What really pushed me to become hybrid fists/spear/axe was the inability to hold aggro against equal level archers.

    But at least from my POV, from my experience of PvPing, I had always been fond of Zerk axes with high spike damage and great crowd controlling abilities in TW ( which seemed like a good idea at the time) As always my own one man army against 10 steel/rebirth/NWO/legendary, I used all the resources I could muster to increase my survivability in HP/Defense with minimal consideration to damage output.

    With Lunar equipment and TT99 out of reach because the server had not caught up in levels yet, it was considered un-farmable and I did not invest any research in gears I had never imagined I would get later on. For example, I would never invest any time studying Warsoul EQ because I am confident I wouldn't be able to get it.

    For the time being, without unlimited finances, I've invested in a lot of temporary gears until the gears I am going can be more attainable.

    I don't disregard the strengths and weaknesses of the skills in each branch, but these days it seems a lot of people are judging people's player values based solely off gear. Even now, guilds pushing for gear requirements in recruitment further endorses the different trend I've been seeing around in measuring player's abilities.

    I hope people can appreciate the different capabilities each branch of weapons accomplish in fulfilling different respective fundamental advantages in their own ways. Just as we cannot judge a warrior's ability by the weapon they wield, but how they use it to their advantage.
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I hope people can appreciate the different capabilities each branch of weapons accomplish in fulfilling different respective fundamental advantages in their own ways. Just as we cannot judge a warrior's ability by the weapon they wield, but how they use it to their advantage.

    Lol.. but the weap they wield sure helps a lot...

    If I'd be responsible for recruiting into a TW guild, I wouldn't exactly have the time to test a person & his abilities in dif situations... I'd have to just primarily on gear (& hearsay :p but some ppl don't have a lot of that around them).
    I'm well aware it gives the interval bonus on ornaments too, but at what cost? Losing Mage Def/5% HP will get you one shot in TW. The benefits are outweighed by the survivability deficiencies involved.
    & why couldn't he just swap gear partially for tw? I swop ornaments/rings/gear pices/weaps/etc with dif bonuses a lot depending on the situation.
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  • TheDan - Sanctuary
    TheDan - Sanctuary Posts: 3,495 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    & why couldn't he just swap gear partially for tw? I swop ornaments/rings/gear pices/weaps/etc with dif bonuses a lot depending on the situation.

    "cannot perform action while dead." b:chuckle

    There's nothing saying you can't do it, my honest opinion is that it wouldn't be ideal, considering how squishy you'd be with like 2k mage def.

    I'm not here to tell anyone how to play their character though =P so whatever they do wouldn't really concern me :)
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  • Accel - Raging Tide
    Accel - Raging Tide Posts: 673 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Full HA means mag res isnt that high w/o marrow.. It gets worse when the ornaments you equip are evasion ornaments.. why not just get the 2 LA gears, increases your mag res and gives you your -interval :P
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    mmm, so like

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fafc6a6492d1de84

    or

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=da0cb1aca9c9dbda
    ?

    ugh why do evasion orns exist? you can't feel good about equipping evasion orns, it's so terrible.
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    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
    Qui: b:dirty

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