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Lost City of Omu Preview Patch Notes: NW.95.20180212a.3 (Update 2018-02-23)
terramak
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Release Notes: NW.95.20180212a.3 - Posted 2018-02-23
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Release Notes: NW.95.20180212a.2 - Posted 2018-02-21
Content and Environment
Cradle of the Death God
Combat and Powers
Classes and Balance
Items and Economy
General
User Interface
Auction House
Art, Effects, and Audio
Audio
Other
Voice Chat
Content and Environment
Omu
- When all shrines are fully powered, players may still receive a small buff when invoking the shrines.
- The Envenomed Cache granted by Ras Nsi's treasure chest is now correctly bound on pickup, and can properly drop Masterwork resources again.
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Character Art
- Bulette mounts no longer shrink on Preview.
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- Voice chat should really be working again on Preview.
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Release Notes: NW.95.20180212a.2 - Posted 2018-02-21
Content and Environment
Cradle of the Death God
- Trickster God voices now better cut through surrounding audio.
- A choppy audio transition between rooms in a Temple repeatable quest has been addressed.
- Gladiator's Bounty: This quest now properly states, "Slay a Hunt Mark," rather than "Complete a Hunt."
- The strange sinking of various floor pieces in Omu has been addressed.
- The Tyrant should no longer run back and forth inexplicably while being attacked by players. For real this time.
- Ras Nsi now drops loot from a chest rather than directly.
- Known Issue: The new relic and masterwork profession resources have stopped dropping in this build. The fix is currently in testing.
- House of the Crocodile: Players no longer incorrectly spawn at the final campfire when dying early.
- Known Issue: There is visual flickering in the first room.
- The PvP leaderboard will reset upon the release of the Lost City of Omu.
Combat and Powers
Classes and Balance
- Great Weapon Fighter: Slam once again properly functions when no enemies are nearby, and now properly only deals one instance of damage when multiple enemies are nearby.
Items and Economy
General
- Stronghold Vouchers from the Underdark Campaign no longer incorrectly state that they can give Astral Diamond vouchers.
User Interface
Auction House
- Bid values no longer incorrectly turn to buyouts in the Auction House.
- Bidding no longer incorrectly buys out an auction.
- Salvaging now properly shows a "Rough Astral Diamonds gained" notification in the corner of the screen.
- Changing loadouts no longer crashes a map in certain cases.
- Loadouts may now properly be swapped while all Idle and Active Companion Slots are in use.
Art, Effects, and Audio
Audio
- Footstep audio for some bears has been restored.
- Various enemy audio has been improved or fixed.
Other
Voice Chat
- Voice chat should hopefully work again on Preview. If not in this build, the next.
- Another text localization pass has been made.
- Certain voice lines for Drufi in Fangbreaker Island are now properly audible when playing in the German locale.
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Although their reasoning went along the lines of, "Well if your class feature (Storm Spell) accounts for 25-33% of damage then we can't have that!". Well of course it counts for a significant proportion of our damage because all our other feats, features and encounters are working sub-par for current content. Can't beat their logic!: If the base damage of all other encounters, feats and features are already low, we can't let you have something that performs well!!! Wow...
From reddit:
Then what about Aura of Courage? Or certain GF powers? Hypocritical much ...
As players have already shown, their calculations are wrong. 'Mid-high' geared players will still get a nerf. The majority of SS CWs will get a nerf.
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Well, if the devs had had the decency to talk to the people that are screaming over this, they might have realized their estimates are completely hamstered. I thought the same thing they did until I actually tested it and found it was much worse. The proc rate has dropped dramatically, and even having high crit/severity doesn't make up for it. Everyone is assuming the SS offhand feature is what's causing the drop, but it's not! I'm not even using that (because I didn't realize it was bugged in our favor), and my proc rate is plummeting anyway.
SS Renegade with 85% crit% (+Chaos Magic), 132% severity, 25% CA.
AoE setup (CoI(Tab), IT, Dis, ST) in Kessel's:
Live:
Preview:
Equaling a proc rate drop of 30%, overall SS damage drop of ~8%.
Single target setup (CoI(Tab), RoE, Dis, CS) in the Cold Run "Out of Supplies" weekly:
Live:
Preview:
Equaling a proc rate drop of 31%, overall SS damage drop of 12%. (I know the sample size on this one is pretty small, but it's perfectly in line with the other results)
But please, do tell me more about how I'm not getting nerfed.
@terramak @asterdahl @balanced#2849
There has been plenty of feedback, ACT logs and arguments to the contrary. Guess we just chalk this one up as another failed ballance attempt.
LOVELY!!!I MY CW WAS WAITING FOR THIS CHANGE FOR 5 LONG YEARS !!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK AND RESOURCES WASTING ON NOTHING!!
(all drider server CW wait devs HUMSTER yet)
GG.
▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ ▇ █ Gankdalf The Icehole █ ▇ ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁
Sure, Storm Spell can deal 20-30% damage in some cases but this gets balanced out throughout the whole dungeon. In the end it deals 10-15%. You're forgetting that Storm Spell procs off of LOW DAMAGE dealing powers. It makes up for the damage we miss by using the low damage powers.
A power that clearly out performs its paragon alternative is Weapon Master's Strike. If your logic is to nerf/'balance' paragon powers, surely Weapon Master's Strike should be nerfed into the ground to perform more like Threatening Rush. HR's Thorned Roots deals a lot more damage than it 'should', and its not even a capstone. HR's Plant Growth is clearly over powered.
Singling out the CW class for 1 over performing power, is wrong. Other classes have way more problems than the CW have. Fix them first.
On the subject of CW performance, where is the compensation for the multi proc nerf?
@balanced#2849 and to any other developer doing class balancing.
We put lots of time and money into this game. Can you atleast come here and answer peoples questions about the CW nerfs?
If PW is concerned that SS will make up too large of a percent of the damage for a CW, how about boosting base damage for CW spells so CWs don't have to rely so heavy on processes? What is happening in Mod 13 is a significant nerf to processes off DoTs, with no increase to base damage. I just can't figure out how on earth this makes any sense.
Please consider taking a second hard look at this issue. It's bad enough that so many people will not take or play CWs these days in end game content. I'm on of the few lucky ones that does get to play right now. It would be a shame to loose more CWs.
Thank you,
Talia (16.7k CW)
Taragon (14.6k DC)
Tabbatha (15.8k OP)
Lets do the reasonable stuff - play Mod 13 for 2 weeks and then see where CW's are standing and readjust the builds.
With all the fixes to all the powers in all classes, the game is basically reset, lets see how all the classes interact. Lets have everybody play first and readjust.
If the changes break the class, I will be with everybody else, demanding correction. But I am not there yet.
Its an MMO and MMO's always change.
And its still just a game.....
EDIT : The question should be why did crptic say they will prevent the 1 dps meta in mod 13 when they make it easier
RIP Real Tiamat, RIP Real Demogorgon RIP real Temple of the spider. Why remove non bis content to give to bis players ????
FORCING the majority of your player base to play 4 mod old dungeons and trial will have a bad result on player base
Changes are getting so bad i would rather prefer no new changes (RIP ICE FISHING in winter fest)
You can't even properly explain nor give data to your "testing" for why the CW is being hit so hard with nerfs.
Doesn't it make it you wonder why NW has barely any streamers left and why people are quitting the game constantly? The game isn't growing because the devs make HAMSTER changes based on nothing and ignore the people who play the game daily and support them. I, for one, will never recommend this game to anyone or any game from the company. Its such a shame, I really enjoy the game but you can only take so much. We have provided so much feedback that you blatantly ignore so do not ever say on another stream you guys care about the players and feedback.
Not everyone is happy about there only being 2 options: GWF or support.
> who new the cw community was such a whiney group? anyone got cheese for them?
*Knew
If you are going to come in here with a feeble insult at least spell correctly.
The dot from survivor’s wraps will proc your reckless attacker feat. This means, whenever you use a daily you’re guaranteed max stacks from reckless attacker. The consistency these provide is why we only aim for 90% crit chance. This reckless attacker consistency far outweighs any stats gained from better gear.
There’s also a small trick you can use to get shield warrior’s wrath stacks in single target. If you use a daily, take a step back, then block for a second, you’ll guard the damage from your survivor wraps. This proc’s shield warrior’s wrath which is another 15% damage boost.
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It takes a while, but people eventually learn that the devs aren't listening, so whats left is to vent and attempt to continue the energy for the conversation instead of letting it be buried in new patch notes posts. If one posts a well researched, documented, corroborated logical and well worded post and leaves it at that.. nothing happens. The only thing that has in recent years gathered any (if minor) response are large scale revolts. Its sad, but its true.
Oh yes, and add me to the chorus of voice calling for a roll back on the CW changes that no one asked for. Especially when you have the likes of GWFs that get their damage boosts, get large amounts of damage from few skills, or GFs that have known dps production bugs to their play. Does that mean I want nerfs to other classes? No. But it does add context to the pointlessness of nerfing a class that was struggling to maintain relevance for anything other than a throw away support role in groups.
1) Don't do proper testing - what is calculated mathematically did not pan out in actual data collection
2) Ignore other classes' overperforming abilities/powers and target the CW specifically
3) Said they will do something about the lowered proc rate for certain enchantments for the CW, yet in the process debuff the CWs i.e. the opposite of what is intended, and in effect, a double nerf
4) Go ahead with the nerf despite numerous, tested and valid feedback
5) Apply "logic" to the CW and this nerf which does not make any sense
6) Actually said it was a nerf and went ahead with it anyway (even though we have told them the SS CW as a dps class is performing very average in comparison to other classes in mod 12b already)
Is the above whining? I think they are all valid points, not one of which a dev has really answered adequately.
Concerning your single target, why don't you try the new single target MoF Oppressor with Shatterstrike. Would be interresting to see how this compares to the current live single target setup.
@pterias thank you for gathering this data. What I can gather from it that SS hits harder but less often, its overall damage seems to be unchanged. On the other hand icy terrain got a big boost since it can hit frozen targets. I'd say your overall DPS was somewhat higher on preview but it's hard to say since durations aren't really reliable, sample sizes are different and several skills changed at the same time.
As @demolitioninc#2453 pointed out there may be new options available for single target damage where the fix to icy terrain won't change anything.
Wouldn't it be easy enough to at least scale back the change of 0.3 damage reduction to a lower value? Then a little more time could be taken before the next class rebalancing to decide how to strengthen other areas of the CW (if there's still such a set stance on SS being less of a main component for CWs damage.)