Some of you will never be happy, will you? First it was "QQ I never get enough RP, I have to use my credit card" or second it was "QQ, there's never enough RP earned in the game"...
I couldn't agree with this more.
If someone was handing out $5.00 bills on the corner, many players would complain because it wasn't $10.00 bills... To complain about a company like PWE giving precious unbound RP out for free is pretty foolish. Be grateful, shut your trap, and take it. If you don't like it you don't have to participate. You do not NEED any piece of equipment above epic for PVE. I managed to do this in only a couple of days farming HE's. If you want legendary, well... it stands to reason you are going to have to pay.
I complain about how they implement things in this game a ton, but I WILL NEVER complain about free unbound RP. Nor should anyone else.
My first reaction when I saw the amount of RPs you could make with IWD HEs now was that it was way too much and ppl would farm it and make lots of AD from it. But a bit of reflection about the situation of new players that just turned 70 and had gotten hold of their artifact weapons and maybe a 70s belt changed that view.
Before they made that kind of RP available to us, new players were stuck with no AD, no RP, no chance to run epic dungeons unless they got out their credit card and bought lots of RP with real money. Now is the first time, those ppl could farm for RP at least and close the gap to us players that had lots of time building up resources.
After so many players quit the game after the release of mod 6 I am glad that the devs decided to give new players a chance. After all, they wont play until level 70 and then leave when they see that huge grind before them when they can see at least one way to make it more bearable.
Me personally, I like being able to maybe not only play my 2 main characters, but with time and some grinding have some of my alts back uop to speed again, so I can once again do some content with more of the different classes like I did prior to mod 6.
Except now that's all anyone is doing and it's adversely affecting other parts of the game. Such as skirmish/dungeon queues.
These comments right here makes me wish I could curse on the forums lol.
Explain why this is wrong on so many levels dates back pre mod 6. You had people who would ask for crazy high gear score (item level now) which excluded people who didn't have the BiS gear in some cases. Fast forward to now, you still have this same problem. People ask like 3k+ ilvl for dungeons that either have to be glitched, ran 2/3, or have the perfect storm of people on at the same time willing to spend sometime to finish the final boss legit.
So with the introduction with the RP in HE's in IWP/DV at least now people can start (somewhat) getting on equal playing field with at least some of the people that have BiS. I myself have said forget the dungeons until they fix it and just farm HE's for the amount of time spent in eCC etc.
Now this does have a bad side effect. People that need to get in there to get the seals to get gear are starting to feel the back lash of farming RP. Less people are wanting to run now they can farm for hours on end. Which I can't get mad at. The return investment on time is a lot better then what 50 seals a day for t2 armor? to afford one piece a week if you aren't trying to farm it everyday? Yeah no. that's too much time with not much return.
These comments right here makes me wish I could curse on the forums lol.
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Now this does have a bad side effect. People that need to get in there to get the seals to get gear are starting to feel the back lash of farming RP. Less people are wanting to run now they can farm for hours on end. Which I can't get mad at.
You're cursing at me and agreeing with me all in the same post?
Oh and FWIW, I don't have a problem with HE's dropping RP rewards, just don't take all the incentive away from running everything else.
"While it is possible to tank as a Justice or Light paladin, it is substantially harder, especially on longer fights where Holy Barrier and your other defensive feats get chances to kick in and contribute quite a bit of defensive power." - System Designer Gentlemancrush
This has to be one of the stupidest comments of all times.
we HAD free unbound RP in the form of DHEs. it got exploited by botters doing foundries. so instead of monitoring people doing foundries over and over and over, they put a longer ICD in the foundry. then someone found out died in the foundry reset the ICD so then you farm, die, far, die. instead of looking for that behavior they make it bound in and out of foundry. bound RP i'm cool with that it stops the botters from selling it in AH.
but then they release a bunch of new stuff that needs RP and we have no way to get it so there is a huge outcry in the community. so what do they do. they add RP to IWD, unbound. and now we are back to the same problem as the beginning, only worst. now we have the same botters running loops. but also lagging out IWD.
i predict the next fix for RP is it will be account bound from the HEs just like they did with the DHEs (to stop botters(or at least slow them down)). when all they should have done is increased the drop rate on DHEs to begin with and not started down this horrible fork.
So, just to be clear... you want no RP given out freely because your machine is lagging and there are exploiters? You're right. Let's make it so that all RP is BoA!!! No way to make AD for those folks out there that want to make AD. PWE had to do something to help the lower-geared players out and they at least now are able to get items up to epic quality.
I'm sure there will be less botters too because YOU found the magic answer that has eluded thousands! That simplistic answer must have took many months of tossing sleepless at night. If you've paid attention to mod 6, botters farming aquamarines is so inconsequential compared to the multitude of broken classes and game mechanics the need to address.
DHEs should have been left as they were, Account bound RP.
RP should have NEVER been added to HEs. adding them to missions, i'm cool with you can only do a mission once a day so no farming them.
they SHOULD have monitored foundry use and made a few examples of the botters.
and i didn't find the answer. the other 100's of people in the forum that have said the same thing have found it. i'm beginning to think you went to the same reading comprehension class as the cryptic employees.
and your suggestion to make all RP BoA is exactly what they had already done with DHEs. they didn't need to go down this fork. thats the point i was making. they had a fix. they just needed to stay the course.
now go flip a burger, there's someone at the window
ok i got rid of my answer because i felt i was being too rude. so ill leave it at this. we need more rp than the daily missions could give.it isnt enough. we need millions of rp actually for artifacts alone we need 10 mil per artifact to get bis. and for equipment we need 4.6 mil per artifact equip. thats way too much to not be able to farm them endlessly.
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treesclimberMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,161Arc User
edited June 2015
I agree, too many people, too much lag i am not aware if icewind pass has those rewards too but both there and in WOD there should be theese rewards, split the people and add a peridot to final reward in HE's in mod 6 zones.
DHEs should have been left as they were, Account bound RP.
RP should have NEVER been added to HEs. adding them to missions, i'm cool with you can only do a mission once a day so no farming them.
they SHOULD have monitored foundry use and made a few examples of the botters.
and i didn't find the answer. the other 100's of people in the forum that have said the same thing have found it. i'm beginning to think you went to the same reading comprehension class as the cryptic employees.
and your suggestion to make all RP BoA is exactly what they had already done with DHEs. they didn't need to go down this fork. thats the point i was making. they had a fix. they just needed to stay the course.
now go flip a burger, there's someone at the window
Adding them to missions? Seriously? Some people don't enjoy questing. There are different types of players in the game. If anything, they need MORE unbound RP in the game or the difference between BiS players and others will be too big eventually.
Furthermore, my reading comprehension is just fine thank you. All I read right now is someone petulantly saying constantly "I told you so". Also, you sitting here insulting the developers of the very game you play is kind of hypocritical as that must make you pretty silly for still playing the game they created.
The anecdotal "100's of players" on the forums seem to be missing in this thread. Look you have your opinion and I have mine. I'm going to leave it at that.
Now I'm going to go back to my window because its obvious you pulled up.
dragoness10Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 780Arc User
edited June 2015
"It's too hard to refine things to Legendary or Mythic without spending RL money."
Insert solution of refinement drops in HE.
"It's too hard to do IWD due to the refinement drops."
Insert some other solution.
"It's wrong because now THIS thing doesn't work THIS way I envisioned."
How about instead of just diagnosing a problem with a complaint you analyse it, and make a constructive suggestion as a solution?
I do have one suggestion as a solution to this "new problem" - Keep the refinement drops to only moderate or higher encounters, and only if X amount of time OR healing OR damage is done at the encounter. That may also help some of the previous problems on people merely skimming HE for minimal rewards.
" I tried to figure out the enigma that was you, and then I realized mastering Wild Magic was easier." - Old Wizard in Waterdeep
"Why is it dragons only use ketchup? I'd like a little wasabi please. Us silvers like a variety of condiments."
"Don't call them foolish mortals. One, they don't learn from it. Two, It just ticks them off." - An Ancient Red Dragon
I do have one suggestion as a solution to this "new problem" - Keep the refinement drops to only moderate or higher encounters, and only if X amount of time OR healing OR damage is done at the encounter. That may also help some of the previous problems on people merely skimming HE for minimal rewards.
This could help for sure. I'd be open to having Major HE's only drop RP as well. The RP from these could be as much say 25k, depending on a players involvement. That means you would need a certain amount of contribution as opposed to just kind of being there. Either way though, any form of free RP is good news.
DHEs should have been left as they were, Account bound RP.
RP should have NEVER been added to HEs. adding them to missions, i'm cool with you can only do a mission once a day so no farming them.
they SHOULD have monitored foundry use and made a few examples of the botters.
and i didn't find the answer. the other 100's of people in the forum that have said the same thing have found it. i'm beginning to think you went to the same reading comprehension class as the cryptic employees.
and your suggestion to make all RP BoA is exactly what they had already done with DHEs. they didn't need to go down this fork. thats the point i was making. they had a fix. they just needed to stay the course.
now go flip a burger, there's someone at the window
'Some people don't enjoy questing' lol?? Why the h ell are they playing this game then? It's a game based on D&D!!
Sorry, my apologies if you enjoy Mod 6 questing. Fair enough. They removed many of the dungeons I enjoy running, so recently I've been doing a lot of GG and enjoying it (that's not questing). Please stop pushing your perceptions of the game on people who like to do other things than quest over and over.
Seriously, people, can you even read? No one's complaining about RP drops, we're complaining about how it was implemented! I swear, the more I read the forums, the sadder it makes me about the future of humankind. Maybe we deserve the Matrix.
No I read just fine. Making it BoA/BoP would kill a major way of making AD for some people.
If you don't like the way its implemented. Then don't do HE's unless you are a glutton for punishment.
i've been running the HE's all day with slight lag but nothing that makes the game unplayable and the 20 to 30 people i was with seemed to be playing fine too , as for getting rid of the RP rewards from HE's and only rewarding them for weeklys , no thanks , some of us want to level up our gear this century thanks.
AMEN. Without decent drops, and the occasional 2x RP weekends, my chances of getting any artifact to even orange are the same as trying to solo Tiamat.
which is what the DHEs are for. i'm not saying get rid of being able to farm RP. i'm saying go back to the way it was before. it was better. and leave it all as bound. anything to stop the bots from making money in the AH. no money means no incentive to stay.
in the big picture i'm agreeing with you. we need RP, a lot of it. thats why i do IWD for 4-6 hours every day. i sit in my lazyboy, bottle of scotch, laptop, and the TV. and for 4-6 hours i run around in a circle. and when that wears on me, i write articles about how boring it is in about 20 blogs online, one of which is syndicated. so i'm down the RP needs. i'm just not happy how the devs approach the distribution process.
they had a solution. the solution was open to abuse. they started fixing that abuse then when they just about had it, they dumped it and went another route thats open to the same original abuse, and causes performance issues. it was a bad fork of a process. and its not the only time its happened. it would be nice if there were an overall software architect looking at this but it seems like there are pockets of coders working without communication with each other. which leads to duplication of effort, bugs where powers have unintended interactions and plain old broken code. but i digress.
DHE's were good, IWD is bad. go back to DHE's for mass farming by individuals, add RP to ALL missions in the 60-70 zones. then everyone is happy, and no one zone gets a lag hit as people will spread out
i agree but then how am i supposed to make ad to buy my greater mark of potencys. sure i can get them from dread ring but the odds are so low with my luck being terrible id never get my artifacts up. i agree we need more bound stuff. but my opinion (this is the reason i was banned from legit) the bot fight is endless it will never end when you have farming like this. just make it so people wont feel the need to buy from the bots and you wont have a problem. bots are here to stay until that happens and there nothing we can do about it. and then i got banned cause a mod thought that was wrong.
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urlord283Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,084Arc User
AMEN. Without decent drops, and the occasional 2x RP weekends, my chances of getting any artifact to even orange are the same as trying to solo Tiamat.
A big part of the lag problem was probably the paladin Prism feedback loop, and gentlemancrush has fixed it. Should be in a patch "soon".
I am sick of people blaming class mechanics on everything . . . I have done the gauntlet tons of times and I have no lag what so ever on both my 3yr old laptop and my new PC . . . maybe some of you should stop *****ing and look really hard at your computers and think about updating your own hardware!
Second: cryptic is giving us all these extra RP ways because they did a 360 and gave us new weapons which seem harder to refine once you pass epic instead of upping the old ones to 120 RP LVL and 2 Mod6 has caused them to hemorrhage money from players being frustrated with the game as is, so they are trying to entice people any way they can with out it costing them a dime!
These forums are full of BS threads like this one, no wonder the greater majority of players stay ignorant of game changes because of all the conjecture and rumor mongering that goes on in here :P
These forums are full of BS threads like this one, no wonder the greater majority of players stay ignorant of game changes because of all the conjecture and rumor mongering that goes on in here :P
This^^^^^^^ so much. Too much of this happens. Hence why a lot of people do stay away. But what sucks, we need people here to say something about what's going on. If not then the devs will think everything's ok.
I am sick of people blaming class mechanics on everything . . . I have done the gauntlet tons of times and I have no lag what so ever on both my 3yr old laptop and my new PC . . . maybe some of you should stop *****ing and look really hard at your computers and think about updating your own hardware!
My hardware is more than strong enough to run this game with a high frame rate at all times. You're just lucky you haven't been bit by the Prism loop is all I can say.
When you're running along smooth as silk and out of the blue your game becomes a slide show with "Prism" flashing over and over, then suddenly goes back to smooth as silk once the Prism effect has lapsed... guess what, that ain't hardware. If it were freezing on other things then I'd agree with you, but it's ONLY when Prism goes into it's loop. Nothing else.
Besides, if there wasn't a bug with Prism, then why did Crush state he found the problem and fixed it on the test server?
"While it is possible to tank as a Justice or Light paladin, it is substantially harder, especially on longer fights where Holy Barrier and your other defensive feats get chances to kick in and contribute quite a bit of defensive power." - System Designer Gentlemancrush
I am sick of people blaming class mechanics on everything . . . I have done the gauntlet tons of times and I have no lag what so ever on both my 3yr old laptop and my new PC . . . maybe some of you should stop *****ing and look really hard at your computers and think about updating your own hardware!
Second: cryptic is giving us all these extra RP ways because they did a 360 and gave us new weapons which seem harder to refine once you pass epic instead of upping the old ones to 120 RP LVL and 2 Mod6 has caused them to hemorrhage money from players being frustrated with the game as is, so they are trying to entice people any way they can with out it costing them a dime!
These forums are full of BS threads like this one, no wonder the greater majority of players stay ignorant of game changes because of all the conjecture and rumor mongering that goes on in here :P
And personally I'm sick of people who pretend an issue doesn't exist purely because it doesn't happen to them. That's like saying I can walk across the street with my eyes closed and have never got run over therefore you can't get run over crossing the street. I've likely got much better hardware and have seen issues in this game. The whole fact that they reduced the astral seal effect months ago and now they've reworked it further if proof of that.
However I don't think RP drops should be nerfed, it actually makes it achievable for once and is the only thing in the game that is actually worth doing.
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I couldn't agree with this more.
If someone was handing out $5.00 bills on the corner, many players would complain because it wasn't $10.00 bills... To complain about a company like PWE giving precious unbound RP out for free is pretty foolish. Be grateful, shut your trap, and take it. If you don't like it you don't have to participate. You do not NEED any piece of equipment above epic for PVE. I managed to do this in only a couple of days farming HE's. If you want legendary, well... it stands to reason you are going to have to pay.
I complain about how they implement things in this game a ton, but I WILL NEVER complain about free unbound RP. Nor should anyone else.
Before they made that kind of RP available to us, new players were stuck with no AD, no RP, no chance to run epic dungeons unless they got out their credit card and bought lots of RP with real money. Now is the first time, those ppl could farm for RP at least and close the gap to us players that had lots of time building up resources.
After so many players quit the game after the release of mod 6 I am glad that the devs decided to give new players a chance. After all, they wont play until level 70 and then leave when they see that huge grind before them when they can see at least one way to make it more bearable.
Me personally, I like being able to maybe not only play my 2 main characters, but with time and some grinding have some of my alts back uop to speed again, so I can once again do some content with more of the different classes like I did prior to mod 6.
These comments right here makes me wish I could curse on the forums lol.
Explain why this is wrong on so many levels dates back pre mod 6. You had people who would ask for crazy high gear score (item level now) which excluded people who didn't have the BiS gear in some cases. Fast forward to now, you still have this same problem. People ask like 3k+ ilvl for dungeons that either have to be glitched, ran 2/3, or have the perfect storm of people on at the same time willing to spend sometime to finish the final boss legit.
So with the introduction with the RP in HE's in IWP/DV at least now people can start (somewhat) getting on equal playing field with at least some of the people that have BiS. I myself have said forget the dungeons until they fix it and just farm HE's for the amount of time spent in eCC etc.
Now this does have a bad side effect. People that need to get in there to get the seals to get gear are starting to feel the back lash of farming RP. Less people are wanting to run now they can farm for hours on end. Which I can't get mad at. The return investment on time is a lot better then what 50 seals a day for t2 armor? to afford one piece a week if you aren't trying to farm it everyday? Yeah no. that's too much time with not much return.
You're cursing at me and agreeing with me all in the same post?
Oh and FWIW, I don't have a problem with HE's dropping RP rewards, just don't take all the incentive away from running everything else.
So, just to be clear... you want no RP given out freely because your machine is lagging and there are exploiters? You're right. Let's make it so that all RP is BoA!!! No way to make AD for those folks out there that want to make AD. PWE had to do something to help the lower-geared players out and they at least now are able to get items up to epic quality.
I'm sure there will be less botters too because YOU found the magic answer that has eluded thousands! That simplistic answer must have took many months of tossing sleepless at night. If you've paid attention to mod 6, botters farming aquamarines is so inconsequential compared to the multitude of broken classes and game mechanics the need to address.
Stephen Hawking would be proud.
I'm agree yet disagree. Yes it is taking away but at this point who cares?
Adding them to missions? Seriously? Some people don't enjoy questing. There are different types of players in the game. If anything, they need MORE unbound RP in the game or the difference between BiS players and others will be too big eventually.
Furthermore, my reading comprehension is just fine thank you. All I read right now is someone petulantly saying constantly "I told you so". Also, you sitting here insulting the developers of the very game you play is kind of hypocritical as that must make you pretty silly for still playing the game they created.
The anecdotal "100's of players" on the forums seem to be missing in this thread. Look you have your opinion and I have mine. I'm going to leave it at that.
Now I'm going to go back to my window because its obvious you pulled up.
Insert solution of refinement drops in HE.
"It's too hard to do IWD due to the refinement drops."
Insert some other solution.
"It's wrong because now THIS thing doesn't work THIS way I envisioned."
How about instead of just diagnosing a problem with a complaint you analyse it, and make a constructive suggestion as a solution?
I do have one suggestion as a solution to this "new problem" - Keep the refinement drops to only moderate or higher encounters, and only if X amount of time OR healing OR damage is done at the encounter. That may also help some of the previous problems on people merely skimming HE for minimal rewards.
"Why is it dragons only use ketchup? I'd like a little wasabi please. Us silvers like a variety of condiments."
"Don't call them foolish mortals. One, they don't learn from it. Two, It just ticks them off." - An Ancient Red Dragon
This could help for sure. I'd be open to having Major HE's only drop RP as well. The RP from these could be as much say 25k, depending on a players involvement. That means you would need a certain amount of contribution as opposed to just kind of being there. Either way though, any form of free RP is good news.
^^This^^ +1
Sorry, my apologies if you enjoy Mod 6 questing. Fair enough. They removed many of the dungeons I enjoy running, so recently I've been doing a lot of GG and enjoying it (that's not questing). Please stop pushing your perceptions of the game on people who like to do other things than quest over and over.
No I read just fine. Making it BoA/BoP would kill a major way of making AD for some people.
If you don't like the way its implemented. Then don't do HE's unless you are a glutton for punishment.
rflol... always. Nice one!
AMEN. Without decent drops, and the occasional 2x RP weekends, my chances of getting any artifact to even orange are the same as trying to solo Tiamat.
yep I agree
We begged for this now we have it
Move along folks
I am sick of people blaming class mechanics on everything . . . I have done the gauntlet tons of times and I have no lag what so ever on both my 3yr old laptop and my new PC . . . maybe some of you should stop *****ing and look really hard at your computers and think about updating your own hardware!
Second: cryptic is giving us all these extra RP ways because they did a 360 and gave us new weapons which seem harder to refine once you pass epic instead of upping the old ones to 120 RP LVL and 2 Mod6 has caused them to hemorrhage money from players being frustrated with the game as is, so they are trying to entice people any way they can with out it costing them a dime!
These forums are full of BS threads like this one, no wonder the greater majority of players stay ignorant of game changes because of all the conjecture and rumor mongering that goes on in here :P
This^^^^^^^ so much. Too much of this happens. Hence why a lot of people do stay away. But what sucks, we need people here to say something about what's going on. If not then the devs will think everything's ok.
My hardware is more than strong enough to run this game with a high frame rate at all times. You're just lucky you haven't been bit by the Prism loop is all I can say.
When you're running along smooth as silk and out of the blue your game becomes a slide show with "Prism" flashing over and over, then suddenly goes back to smooth as silk once the Prism effect has lapsed... guess what, that ain't hardware. If it were freezing on other things then I'd agree with you, but it's ONLY when Prism goes into it's loop. Nothing else.
Besides, if there wasn't a bug with Prism, then why did Crush state he found the problem and fixed it on the test server?
And personally I'm sick of people who pretend an issue doesn't exist purely because it doesn't happen to them. That's like saying I can walk across the street with my eyes closed and have never got run over therefore you can't get run over crossing the street. I've likely got much better hardware and have seen issues in this game. The whole fact that they reduced the astral seal effect months ago and now they've reworked it further if proof of that.
However I don't think RP drops should be nerfed, it actually makes it achievable for once and is the only thing in the game that is actually worth doing.
I for one. The post l60 quests are repetitive and unimaginative. They're chores, not fun. If you like ill thought out chores, then good for you.
People are avoiding those for other reasons. There's little reason to do them, that's the problem.