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rhoriangelus
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and let everyone know exactly what I think of this development.
Introducing rank 4 mounts? Acceptable. Making rank 4 mounts ONLY available in lockboxes? Unacceptable.
There is a HUGE difference between offering things that are just visuals (Metallic Dragonborn, old Legendary mounts) and offering things that are SIGNIFICANT advantages in lockboxes. This is NOT okay to do to your customer base.
If you're going to offer a rank 4 of mounts that grants 4000 movement speed and 140% speed? AND can be used in combat? You need to make it available to upgrade our own mounts to that level. EVEN if it ends up costing a couple million AD.
Neverwinter normally tries to keep an even playing field, and not let people ACTUALLY buy significant advantages over free players. Paying for stuff in Neverwinter is largely Quality of Life changes, getting things faster, grinding less.
This? This is pay to win, period.
Introducing rank 4 mounts? Acceptable. Making rank 4 mounts ONLY available in lockboxes? Unacceptable.
There is a HUGE difference between offering things that are just visuals (Metallic Dragonborn, old Legendary mounts) and offering things that are SIGNIFICANT advantages in lockboxes. This is NOT okay to do to your customer base.
If you're going to offer a rank 4 of mounts that grants 4000 movement speed and 140% speed? AND can be used in combat? You need to make it available to upgrade our own mounts to that level. EVEN if it ends up costing a couple million AD.
Neverwinter normally tries to keep an even playing field, and not let people ACTUALLY buy significant advantages over free players. Paying for stuff in Neverwinter is largely Quality of Life changes, getting things faster, grinding less.
This? This is pay to win, period.
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Agree.
This is THE DUMBEST thing to ever be released. I would even say its DUMBER than artifact equipment, which has CLEARLY been a massive flop decision.
They need to REMOVE the +4000 speed bonus. NOT allow the mount to have its "activation" work in PVP and now its only benefit is 140% movement. THAT is fine.
Either that or allow a new upgrade tone you can buy to upgrade ALL other mounts to also get this +4000 movement, active bonus etc.
They're curious what we think? We think that we want a game that at least tries to be fair, and this isn't the way to do it.
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Unless you ALSO give all par for par.
epic mounts ALL have a stat bonus (im ok with the movement speed)
Legendary have both xtra speed and stat bonus
This is the ONLY small chance of making it acceptable.
I WOULDN'T have bought a account wide mount if you did this at the start!
and slam goes my wallet again. You guys, I just dont even know what to say some days.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?948911-First-look-to-the-Armored-Giant-Strider
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?948921-The-New-Legendary-Armored-Strider-is-a-140-Speed-Mount-not-110
I sincerely hope they're actually listening and not going to push through with it because the idea is somebody's baby. Adding more functionality to all mounts would be GREAT. Adding special functionality to one or two specific exclusive mounts is TERRIBLE.
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Don't bother hoping: it's coming and they aren't going to hold it back nor will they change it; it's officially announced now.
I never, ever thought I'd see myself typing this: but the stink of "pay-to-win" is starting to creep into the picture. I am NOT saying that's what this is. And the only way to avoid that appearance and also placate the player-base is to also offer equivalent mounts in the Zen Market, which I believe they will do eventually. And (this is a very hopeful "and") offer some way of upgrading Epic Mounts to Legendary versions - at least with the 140% mounted and +10% unmounted speeds. And that upgrade needs to be purchased with Astral Diamonds, not Zen.
However, I know better than to hold my breath on it.
And if something is dumber than artifact equipment, then I think nothing else needs to be said. There should at the very least be tomes to upgrade our current mounts.
Second, the movement speed buff. This is ******* important, because never has a mount actually given you a stat boost of any kind. This is a problem, because it means these striders are going to be required if you max things out, and that's not cool for a lockbox mount because they have intentionally limited supply. Easy way to solve it is to include the movement speed bonus in with the rank increase book.
Finally, the in-combat attack. Now, looking at Lazalia's video, it's a decently powerful attack (75% of her transcendent vorpal critical hits, while not being critical itself), it has a minute long cooldown assuming you're not leaving combat. That? That is very cool. I'd say that's probably the one part of these Striders we don't have to proliferate to other mounts, with one exception. Legendary Mounts. the people who have these are few and far between, and it'd actually add something to them to have in-combat abilities like this. We already have an attack animation for the Armored Bulette, for instance, seeing as bulettes are monsters you can face off against in Reclamation Rock.
As a quick rundown of animations it'd actually be fairly easy to introduce for mount attacks of other types: Horses would show up, rear, and then run over the target. No new animations needed, just splicing together old ones, and suddenly you've covered two of the above. The bulette could do the burrowing attack it does in Reclamation Rock, which has the same timeframe as the strider's attack there. The Emperor Beetle could let out a massive screech before flying off again. Tenser's Floating Disk? You summon a wizard for the disk anyways, why not make him attack? The rage drakes, once again, are an enemy you can fight and thus would be easy enough to rig an attack onto the mount.
No new animations are required for this stuff, just a bit of extra work, and it'd give an additional level of usefulness to older mounts, making people more likely to go out of their way to get ones that actually interest them. The worst thing they could possibly do is make the stats and attack exclusive to the Striders, with no way to advance your older mounts.
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Once enough players spend $ on lock boxes they will probably release some in the store for 5 or 6k Zen. Once enough players buy these they will probably release an upgrade book which you can use on your old mounts.
These sort of status symbols before, HAD nothing to do with in game play-ability.
this is pure and simple a p2w and money grab on the behest of the corporation.
You have miscalculated though, for giving us unbound RP, I purchased a pack with real life dollars.
for this garbage and nine hells thought it came from, you have closed it again.
Thank you actually.
I have a Small Forest Stag banked against a future druid class. That would also require an upgrade. And such is the price of vanity, and I was reconciled to that.
Aesthetic choices are ok to pay a premium for if you choose to. I have account-unlocked epic mounts which are good enough for the other 10 or so characters that I like to pretend I can keep vaguely playable.
I cannot, *absolutely cannot* envision affording a mount upgrade to Legendary for all of them.
If they don't do anything to balance out existing mounts, there's even less reason for anyone to ever buy one of the green or blue ones just because they like it.
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_Epic+ Legendary: 4000
_Blue:3000
_Green:2000
_White:1000
Also, tome to upgrade from rank 3 to 4 should be available to purchase, to make it fair to f2p players.
I actually like the idea of combat power of the mount, they should implement it to all mount in the future.
nothing new.. sad..
With one move you have made every single mount in the game subpar.
Exactly. Add a movement speed buff to every mount and the playerbase would be ecstatic, even if they're not all getting a super-buff. Make all legendary mounts run at 140% speed and introduce a variety of options for acquiring them including account-unlocks from the Zen shop and we might grizzle but we'll adjust.
I'd like to see a use in combat added to everything but it would take some time. I think it was Harnel who offered some suggestions for animations that could be incorporated. I'll add the panther pounce for any mount using the feline frame, and there are already attack animations for wolves as well. I don't know if there's anything for bears.
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And using mounts in combat... God, this is a MOUNT. You should MOUNT on it. And also show off in front of other players. Not use the poor creature just some doohchickey. What's next? Artifact mounts - and you need to feed it other mounts to upgrade?
I mean, this idea is awful. Simply awful.
Amen to that. Not giving mine up either -- no way, no how.
That said, I don't need this to shut my wallet. Last night sent me flying over the deep end with my SW in Spinward Rise. I'm waiting for tangible changes that tone the difficulty down and nothing less will suffice.
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If Devs dont want to hear players complain about this mount after released, make the bouns (11k damage and 4000 movement speed) only works in PvE, not PvP, also make every mount upgrade-able to legendary quality.
Artifact mount makes much more sense than artifact gear tho....
Also regardless everything this mount is really nice
In fact mount "refining" (or training) that slowly gives more and more +movement stat and could be done on all mounts would have made much more sense than this.
It's up to you if you are talking about the appearence of this mount - as a tiefling, I'd prfer to stick to my nightmare, no matter what the stats of this new mount are. But I think it's kinda wrong to force players who wants to stay competitive, to use only one mount. They should have made at least all legendary mounts better at once (even though there was information that no upgraded mounts are on the way. And then - poof! Everything except strider is outdated)