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Geas and Precedent:
thefabricant
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This is a thread about Geas and the precedent it sets in the game. Firstly, I do not believe that geas should be able to disable bosses, this has never been an option in any MMO and I don't see why this should change now. By having a single ability sith this power it sets the precedent that being able to stun bosses for 1 minute is ok, which is something that makes absolutely no sense.
However, assuming it is WAI, I then want to discuss the reasoning behind giving it to DC's. GEAS is undeniably a control ability and if it was the developer's idea that a control ability of this magnitude should exist, surely it belongs to the CW and not the DC. The so called primary function of the CW is control and the so called primary function of the DC is healing, so surely, if we intending to stick w7th this thematically then the CW should have the most powerful forms of control. By giving the DC a single ability with this power, it suggests that at the very least imprisonment should be as powerful and more realistically, that every single CW power should be able to CC bosses. Lets bear in mind that I am not advocating this idea at all, however that is the kind of precedent it sets. I see people in legit using geas and saying it is WAI, so, can I please get some feedback on this, is geas WAI and furthermore, is it intended for players to be able to CC a boss.
However, assuming it is WAI, I then want to discuss the reasoning behind giving it to DC's. GEAS is undeniably a control ability and if it was the developer's idea that a control ability of this magnitude should exist, surely it belongs to the CW and not the DC. The so called primary function of the CW is control and the so called primary function of the DC is healing, so surely, if we intending to stick w7th this thematically then the CW should have the most powerful forms of control. By giving the DC a single ability with this power, it suggests that at the very least imprisonment should be as powerful and more realistically, that every single CW power should be able to CC bosses. Lets bear in mind that I am not advocating this idea at all, however that is the kind of precedent it sets. I see people in legit using geas and saying it is WAI, so, can I please get some feedback on this, is geas WAI and furthermore, is it intended for players to be able to CC a boss.
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If control was only giving to only one class, people will start stacking there groups with more of the specific class, which in the end is unfair to the other classes, I for one are glad they took the initiative to add control to other classes in this manner.
Remember, this is the same person that complained in the Warlock thread that one person (who is being kept alive by everyone else, if it's the case, because the set in question doesn't add any HP so they'll be left with Mod 5 health) should not be able to kill a boss.
But yeah, how dare the devs give power to anyone but CWs. Hmm while we're at it, remove shocking execution from TR and pass it onto CW because hey, if you kill something it's totally controlled, besides, it's encroaching on the CW as the primary damagedealer in the game.
*sagenod*
And the lostmauth set should get a balance check because adding a straight 20% damage to anyone wearing it is absurd, given that getting rid of gear sets was one of the reason for the lvl cap increase.
That's for the current balance concerns in pve.
GWF is primary damage dealer or TR, not CW. Trust me, I know, I have all these classes and I know how to play them, only classes I claim ignorance on is HR or GF.
Thus, i expect geas being fixed. And if not i expect other skills at this level ignoring immunity as well (never tried imprisonment, will do tho). Anyway for the aforementioned precedent, i consider this geas effect malfunctioning and could even go as far as to call it cheating (eventually a cheat on other classes as it may lead to being it the requirement for some dungeon runs).
Now seriously: it's broken and it must be fixed.
Goddess, it's called sarcasm.
Besides, CW can pretty much match either of the two (Especially gwf) in terms of actual damage output, so yeah, so much for that distinction.
Use it to interrupt a boss thats about to do a charge up/aoe ability.
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Geas/Quest
Geas isn't CC. There's a precedent for it in D&D. It commands a target to follow some course of action, no matter who the target is.
Spot on, though Quest is the cleric version so in-game it should be called that.
Anyhow... yeah. How dare actual DnD break class roles XD. I mean, Geas is the reason nobody plays a CW anymo... Eh. I can't say this with a straight face.
In terms of what it does in this game, it is a CC. Furthermore, if we are going to go by DnD, then lets toss out all of the Non DnD spells that CW has and replace them with the spells they do have....Hmmmm, replace steal time with time stop, I would like summon planetar as well and I seem to remember meteor storm. Fireball would also be nice. Just because it exists in dnd doesn't mean you can justify putting it in here, I just pointed out 3 abilities that you can justify CW having as per dnd and yet you would be qqing that it would be ridiculous OP if CW had any of them. Anyhow, this hasn't got anything to do with any particular class being OP, it has got to do with the fact that the precedent geas sets is horrible and therefor it should respect CC immunity as whilst in DnD it might not strictly be a CC, what it does in this game is definitely CC. Also, if we going by what things do in DnD, imprisonment should be a one hit instant kill on a single target, lovely idea isn't that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ula8oi_M4Ww
wanna know my main defense? the devs arent going to fix it and you know it and this particular thing is WAI so buzz off. stop complaining about how its cheating and acting all high and mighty to everyone your on the same level on us no better no worse. stop acting like gods gift cause you dont cheat.btw if it was cheating the mods would delete the post.
I really am fed up about complainig threads that argue about broken things in this game
report it, if it is not intended to what it should do it will be fixed some day, the delay cryptic reacts to things like this is known to be unique
until than we will go on creatively to get arround with this buggy game full of oneshooting mobs in every corner
nearly every class has feads and broken stuff, some of them probably will never be fixed but in this special case ppl come here complain about cheating and game breaking bla bla..., only reason they do so is: they don´t play that class actually and want same bull**** for their class or they just grant things like this to no other classes and fear for their elevated position in terms of group mix-->CW
-->GWF/SW/Hunter as pure striker class have hard days since they can´t tank, can´t mass cc, can´t heal... only thing they can do is damage but CW does more..even saw a GF, probably damage specced, that dealt more damage than striker classes
so I really apreciate it giving this ability to the DC , in case of giving it to the CW most players would be unable to cope with all these OP broken encounters
With 384 Control bonus as my offhand feature, 450 control bonus on an artifact, Will'o'Wisp companion and Cantankerous Mage companion (both @ Epic), I still can't control a single minion for as long as the **** healer can control a boss?? This is working as intended?? This game is broken. So broken.
If this is the case. Then I think CWs deserve a 100k/sec heal.
He hasnt. You and most CWs focus yourself on melting everything. All classes have their cc, and cw has most of them in powers. But you wont slot orb, go opressor or unslot sudden storm or oppressive. Its fine, ok, but your complaining about having MORE control as DC (or anybody) isjust childish. As far I know most CWs thinking death is the best cc.
About Gaes, they fixed slam (into useless) so... But its a shame we are spam opp, smash everything. Things like gaes makes fight more funny, its something new.
any class with dodge can kite one already...so no need for geas.
of course you can i just said you can but it makes things easier.
Nice to know, since i havent dodge and being easy one-shotted as mail-geared warrior. Very funny then.
Re-read the post. Even spending MILLIONS on control pets and artifacts, slotting Orb of Imposition and speccing Oppressor, I still can't control a boss AT ALL. Zero control. NADA. NONE. I have 26 purple companions and 2 orange. I have tried every combination and every build possible NO MATTER THE COST and I still can't even freeze a boss past his ankles. But a cleric can completely control him?? WTF. Come back to this thread when you know what you are talking about.
Im talking about you - CW complaining about others CC. Gaes is like old slam, will be nerfed for sure. Btw posting about high iLv wont make you better player...
I can even kite it on my OP, which has 0 dodges, you just can't dps the boss while you doing it.