My main is CW (an average I must say - g.vorp+l.sf) , but after reading trough various CW feedback and our (CW) whining about EVERY SINGLE THING that can counter CW, this video made me laugh.
tbh this TR seems to be really scilled from chocolate shoppe (as far as I can see)
so a scilled CW, who posted some fancy videos stomping other classes with ease, meets his masterclass
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seventhpillarMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
edited May 2015
So... this proc's on atwills and hits that much? Hmmm but shadowy is bad. I'd trade shadowy for something similar to this. I can live without stealth as well if I can slot a 4th encounter that changes my powers and allows me to add DR. Just saying...
It seems like everyone wants to kill TR to oblivion. I'll be willing to give up a lot of things including stealth. Give us good tools to be successful, don't just say blah blah blah nerf nerf nerf, wahh stealth wahh.
Things I would give up/change
- Stealth = Replace with 4th slot like CW. Alow us to slot ITC and while slotted, it gives us the same DR the shield does and reverts when not hit. No more stealth right? Can't hide.
- Replace piercing damage and give us passive that crits, like storm spell. Increase our damage because we are now fully in the open. No more stealth remember?
Or maybe, allow us to tab like HR, 6 rotation and return daze to scoundrel. We can't hide no more anyway.
perhaps give us a tab mechanic with a meter, when held, we deflect attacks, but more effective than tank because we are squisher.
... possibilities are endless but don't nerf it to the ground and not give anything in return.
tbh this TR seems to be really scilled from chocolate shoppe (as far as I can see)
so a scilled CW, who posted some fancy videos stomping other classes with ease, meets his masterclass
Ok so gwf and hr together with cw met ther masterclass in form of 1 Tr.
You put any other class up against 3 of those and see what happens.
You but any class up against 2 Trs and see what happens and yet its ok for you shameless Trs that one Tr can handle not only 2 and 3 at the same time.
L2p sure kiss my sweet behind broken **** is broken **** Tr piercing is making a mockery out of pvp and together with this redicules fight in hide+itc madness the hole Tr class has become a joke in pvp....
Seems like some players still do not get that Storm Spell must be toned down a lot too... DEVs stated already back on mod2/3 that "passive damage must not crit at all" (one of main reasons to nerf "Deep Gash" into oblivion) but seems like this "rule" is only applied to GWF-class... Anyway, the problem with "piercing damage" and, on this case, Shadowy Opportunity is the fact that each CoS can hit for 10k of unmitigable damage per hit, allowing TRs killing all other classes in 10 or 12 ranged AT-WILL hits.
10k? maybe when you're 4k item lvl hitting some newbes with lvling gear. I can record on parse on a dumy in pvp room and you will see how much in reality CoS does from a stealth and how quickly it burn the stealth.
Players who complain about TR are clueless, because they dont realize that it's gear which is making the difference not the abilities itself. There's plenty of other things which is broken for real in pvp. Take a look at DC filling players AP bar to full every 3s, or Paladins with 20s 100% dmg reduction for 5 players. No matter how much dmg you deal you will never kill them as they can refresh the combo all the time.
TR's who dont have BIS gear are nearly obsolote already, because of all the healing and shield that's going on in this module.
Ok so gwf and hr together with cw met ther masterclass in form of 1 Tr.
You put any other class up against 3 of those and see what happens.
You but any class up against 2 Trs and see what happens and yet its ok for you shameless Trs that one Tr can handle not only 2 and 3 at the same time.
L2p sure kiss my sweet behind broken **** is broken **** Tr piercing is making a mockery out of pvp and together with this redicules fight in hide+itc madness the hole Tr class has become a joke in pvp....
The hate is obvious..
10k? maybe when you're 4k item lvl hitting some newbes with lvling gear. I can record on parse on a dumy in pvp room and you will see how much in reality CoS does from a stealth and how quickly it burn the stealth.
oh yes the dummy deserves to be hated too
Seems like some players still do not get that Storm Spell must be toned down a lot too... DEVs stated already back on mod2/3 that "passive damage must not crit at all" (one of main reasons to nerf "Deep Gash" into oblivion) but seems like this "rule" is only applied to GWF-class... Anyway, the problem with "piercing damage" and, on this case, Shadowy Opportunity is the fact that each CoS can hit for 10k of unmitigable damage per hit, allowing TRs killing all other classes in 10 or 12 ranged AT-WILL hits.
The numbers you just mention is possible because of two things first 1.) the target dont have negation and have lower dr second 2.) If a TR combined Lurkers Assault with Invisible Infiltrator (Dagger Threat for WKs) coupled with the right enchantment(tinkerbell) and feat"s" (dont share) if these two conditions or even 75% of them is met then a spike damage is achievable but can you blame a TR if a DC provides a rapid AP refill?
Without the above mentioned a SO CoS is just a plain glaze over a donut I know alot of people love SO to be nerf and even removed because they love Negation so much.
Which also must be toned down and fixed too... Do not see your point here, defending broken mechanics over others while all them must go out from the game for good.
On a side note, as far as i know, while that TR struck me with 10k Shadowy Opportunity procs, he were not near "BiS" (not Transcends, not R12 but have Lostmauth's set) . The problem with Shadowy Opportunity is that it is affected by power, which means, that it can turn a, in example, 2k crit damage from CoS into a 12k damage where 10k damage is not mitigable. This, is just ludicrous, as ludicrous as things like CW's "Storm Spell" crits for 23k or a broken shield granting 25% DR for free; DCs healing for 120k heal while they are almost dead or, as yourself said, AP Generation due Gift of Haste; OP's "Sanctuary", "Divine Judgement", DoT, etc; Supposed 90k IBS (i never saw or made one from "straight" hit, but to a really debuffed target with less than 60% HP) or (again, i never saw this at all on PvP) supposed 30ks Weapon Master Strike [BTW: Raydan, i had sent an in-game email to your friend, but he never answered back]; HR's "lock to dead" Trapper build, where Ancient Roots can pierce some CC inmunities; GF's "Stunlock of death"; SW's "impossible to kill" bug; etc. And, again, all this stuff must be go out from the game for good IF we want a BALANCED PvP game.
one of my guildies with rank 9s has made almost 120k ibs hit before. he says he makes them all the time. but its a crit and he has a perfect vorpal.
He had there whole team just about standing there, ( i think there where 4 and they where in a bit of a panic LOL), and they almost killed him, but he survived, even if the other team did not have there **** together, that was pretty cool
Interesting, i don't see a tr in your line up, so that's means what? But if he plays the way you want him to, which is pretty funny, he will die, why would he do that when he has the means available to him that he does? Is that his fault? Not trying to be rude but i am a tr and i'm gonna do what ever it takes so my team wins. If playing that way means a win for us, so be it. And i also play a dc and love it, so i totally get it.
On that moment (and was 1v1, while contesting a node), i had N. Negation and 22% DR on Burning Duelist set + some artifacts level 90 artifacts. He had not Lurker Assault and he is (if he didnt respected) MI. So, something in your equation is weak (which is, your whole equation)
Again, from plain and straight crit attack?? i want to see it too as i asked Rayrdan's friend to do so. IF you mean vs a debuffed (not just by GWF, but by other classes like DC too) and mid to low HP pool target while the GWF is totally buffed (This is, all stacks up + Unstop + Powerful Challenger + Mark + (being generous here) Hidden Daggers' buff + other buffs + DC's Debuffs), then, Yes, a GWF can deal that amount of damage time to time.
You didnt understand my message, i told you he was able to reach 70k lostmauth procs.
He does not pvp
For ibs crazy damages just talk to romanporter
On that moment (and was 1v1, while contesting a node), i had N. Negation and 22% DR on Burning Duelist set + some artifacts level 90 artifacts. He had not Lurker Assault and he is (if he didnt respected) MI. So, something in your equation is weak (which is, your whole equation)
Again, from plain and straight crit attack?? i want to see it too as i asked Rayrdan's friend to do so. IF you mean vs a debuffed (not just by GWF, but by other classes like DC too) and mid to low HP pool target while the GWF is totally buffed (This is, all stacks up + Unstop + Powerful Challenger + Mark + (being generous here) Hidden Daggers' buff + other buffs + DC's Debuffs), then, Yes, a GWF can deal that amount of damage time to time.
yeah im gonna try and get a friend to do it on a dummy for me. i dont know the details i believe it was jsut on regular mobs but it might be pvp. if i get a video ill post it
And, again, i want to see it. So, if you let him know to record a video about that on PvP vs normal geared PvP players, it would be really wonderful.
I think this is the key. I mean on my GWF (4600 item level) I can crit pvp with a perf vorpal for 60-80k routinely however that is against NON-tenacity players who think they can facetank a GWFs IBS.
Most good PVP players rarely let you build stacks up since they know how to use "shift" and ontop of that tenacity drops that crit down.
Against GOOD opponents a good IBS is in the 30-40k range. I can do 200k+ by myself on a dummy in PE.
Thus is the stupidity of GWFs atm tho, we have to use all the damage bonuses we have, by constantly attacking, to get super high numbers. So in REAL pvp it never works out. Players dodge, CC, you. Lose stacks, and lose damage.
Much different than getting to hide in stealth and spam a ranged at will which is 100% crit and easily deals 10k/hit without any stealth reveal....
This is why Shadowy Opportunity needs to be CHANGED to NOT deal piercing damage but just plain old regular damage.
Much different than getting to hide in stealth and spam a ranged at will which is 100% crit and easily deals 10k/hit without any stealth reveal....
I post this over and over but I'm getting the feeling that people are either too stupid to understand it or just don't bother trying.
TRs already have pretty gimped Stealth duration now. Nerfed stealth duration + no set bonus = pitiful stealth uptime unless you blow 2/3 of your encounters on stealth refills, spec into stealth duration feats, and go Sab. Unless you're somehow getting 10k'd by Gloaming Cut which seems stupidly unlikely.
Broken mechanics, broken class designs, lack of actual content, and over zealous, bronze-age moderation?
I post this over and over but I'm getting the feeling that people are either too stupid to understand it or just don't bother trying.
TRs already have pretty gimped Stealth duration now. Nerfed stealth duration + no set bonus = pitiful stealth uptime unless you blow 2/3 of your encounters on stealth refills, spec into stealth duration feats, and go Sab. Unless you're somehow getting 10k'd by Gloaming Cut which seems stupidly unlikely.
Or could it be that everybody else is right and that vidio after vidio after screenshots are not fake IMAGEN.
Post until your fingers bleed it dont change what is happening ingame atm, blind as a bat and ignorant as only a Tr on a crusade to keep OPness can be ...............
I post this over and over but I'm getting the feeling that people are either too stupid to understand it or just don't bother trying.
TRs already have pretty gimped Stealth duration now. Nerfed stealth duration + no set bonus = pitiful stealth uptime unless you blow 2/3 of your encounters on stealth refills, spec into stealth duration feats, and go Sab. Unless you're somehow getting 10k'd by Gloaming Cut which seems stupidly unlikely.
What u dont understand is DC arti at max is 1 min CD, plus AP gain neck. TR use LA then throw daggers, killing BiS GWF (and other players in few seconds) If u cant see that u are the stupid one
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seventhpillarMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
edited May 2015
Hmmm... for those who claim it hits so hard as 10K, I was never able to get anywhere near that number and I'm pretty good when it comes to gear. Sometimes makes me wonder if most who claims know what they are talking about. To back up my part, here is a log from my latest PVP session.
First, here are my stats.
Next, here is the shadowy log. And yes, my toon name is in the clear if you question my toon's stats, see me in PE. I'll dismiss and pet and remove actives.
Shadowy is the last damaging/viable damage I have against highly geared players. For the record, I can't even kill an immortal DC no matter how I try, I just don't have enough damage. We are at stalemate until someone comes along. I'll be trying for ages and my HP just slowly trickles down as he/she just stands and smiles at me. I don't use LB, smokebomb or whatnot. SE is way too noisy that they just dodge it so I barely use it. In fact in my last 3 PVP sessions, never used it. It's slotted because it's the only daily that makes sense to have but oftentimes not used. If you hate all these damages, stealth, encounters, FFS as TR, we are sick and tired of the whining as well. Give us alternatives and keep us viable, then we can move on. But until you have some classes still broken, yet you whine about us (all the time it seems) and nothing is being done, then perhaps your whining will fall on deaf ears.
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seventhpillarMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
edited May 2015
Oh and just did another PVP session. Again, no 10K hits...hmmm what am I doing wrong?
^^ i get 10k hits all the time last mod jsut not this mod. mostly cause i havnt played tr this mod. i play hr and gwf and sw now. i love challenges
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seventhpillarMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 216Arc User
edited May 2015
Well, in that case, someone who hits 10K or higher, would love to see you post some screenshots similar to mine w/ stats so we can compare. Again, blindly complaining and not proving data, jumping the bandwagon for nerf etc, etc.. should just stop. Half of the time, the people that do whine do so loudly to keep attention from their own OP powers.
I prefer fighting TRs than CW, sticking in group solves rogue attacks but CW will melt you from afar long range broken class some even face my melee team and killed DC in fron of us.
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tbh this TR seems to be really scilled from chocolate shoppe (as far as I can see)
so a scilled CW, who posted some fancy videos stomping other classes with ease, meets his masterclass
So... this proc's on atwills and hits that much? Hmmm but shadowy is bad. I'd trade shadowy for something similar to this. I can live without stealth as well if I can slot a 4th encounter that changes my powers and allows me to add DR. Just saying...
It seems like everyone wants to kill TR to oblivion. I'll be willing to give up a lot of things including stealth. Give us good tools to be successful, don't just say blah blah blah nerf nerf nerf, wahh stealth wahh.
Things I would give up/change
- Stealth = Replace with 4th slot like CW. Alow us to slot ITC and while slotted, it gives us the same DR the shield does and reverts when not hit. No more stealth right? Can't hide.
- Replace piercing damage and give us passive that crits, like storm spell. Increase our damage because we are now fully in the open. No more stealth remember?
Or maybe, allow us to tab like HR, 6 rotation and return daze to scoundrel. We can't hide no more anyway.
perhaps give us a tab mechanic with a meter, when held, we deflect attacks, but more effective than tank because we are squisher.
... possibilities are endless but don't nerf it to the ground and not give anything in return.
Ok so gwf and hr together with cw met ther masterclass in form of 1 Tr.
You put any other class up against 3 of those and see what happens.
You but any class up against 2 Trs and see what happens and yet its ok for you shameless Trs that one Tr can handle not only 2 and 3 at the same time.
L2p sure kiss my sweet behind broken **** is broken **** Tr piercing is making a mockery out of pvp and together with this redicules fight in hide+itc madness the hole Tr class has become a joke in pvp....
10k? maybe when you're 4k item lvl hitting some newbes with lvling gear. I can record on parse on a dumy in pvp room and you will see how much in reality CoS does from a stealth and how quickly it burn the stealth.
Players who complain about TR are clueless, because they dont realize that it's gear which is making the difference not the abilities itself. There's plenty of other things which is broken for real in pvp. Take a look at DC filling players AP bar to full every 3s, or Paladins with 20s 100% dmg reduction for 5 players. No matter how much dmg you deal you will never kill them as they can refresh the combo all the time.
TR's who dont have BIS gear are nearly obsolote already, because of all the healing and shield that's going on in this module.
The hate is obvious..
oh yes the dummy deserves to be hated too
The numbers you just mention is possible because of two things first 1.) the target dont have negation and have lower dr second 2.) If a TR combined Lurkers Assault with Invisible Infiltrator (Dagger Threat for WKs) coupled with the right enchantment(tinkerbell) and feat"s" (dont share) if these two conditions or even 75% of them is met then a spike damage is achievable but can you blame a TR if a DC provides a rapid AP refill?
Without the above mentioned a SO CoS is just a plain glaze over a donut I know alot of people love SO to be nerf and even removed because they love Negation so much.
and i'm sure shadowy opportunity is most of it since he is mostly in steatlh
No..those are mostly lostmauth procs.
correct a set bonus proc
Cheers, Execute
You didnt understand my message, i told you he was able to reach 70k lostmauth procs.
He does not pvp
For ibs crazy damages just talk to romanporter
We all know the biggest issues in PVP arrise from Piercing damage. Its has always been that way.
Its not unusal I seen pimp(romanporter) do 90k hit on a pal in circle with full hp. He does 70-90 Ibs all the time.....
yeah im gonna try and get a friend to do it on a dummy for me. i dont know the details i believe it was jsut on regular mobs but it might be pvp. if i get a video ill post it
I think this is the key. I mean on my GWF (4600 item level) I can crit pvp with a perf vorpal for 60-80k routinely however that is against NON-tenacity players who think they can facetank a GWFs IBS.
Most good PVP players rarely let you build stacks up since they know how to use "shift" and ontop of that tenacity drops that crit down.
Against GOOD opponents a good IBS is in the 30-40k range. I can do 200k+ by myself on a dummy in PE.
Thus is the stupidity of GWFs atm tho, we have to use all the damage bonuses we have, by constantly attacking, to get super high numbers. So in REAL pvp it never works out. Players dodge, CC, you. Lose stacks, and lose damage.
Much different than getting to hide in stealth and spam a ranged at will which is 100% crit and easily deals 10k/hit without any stealth reveal....
This is why Shadowy Opportunity needs to be CHANGED to NOT deal piercing damage but just plain old regular damage.
I post this over and over but I'm getting the feeling that people are either too stupid to understand it or just don't bother trying.
TRs already have pretty gimped Stealth duration now. Nerfed stealth duration + no set bonus = pitiful stealth uptime unless you blow 2/3 of your encounters on stealth refills, spec into stealth duration feats, and go Sab. Unless you're somehow getting 10k'd by Gloaming Cut which seems stupidly unlikely.
Go Cryptic!
PS - I quit.
Or could it be that everybody else is right and that vidio after vidio after screenshots are not fake IMAGEN.
Post until your fingers bleed it dont change what is happening ingame atm, blind as a bat and ignorant as only a Tr on a crusade to keep OPness can be ...............
What u dont understand is DC arti at max is 1 min CD, plus AP gain neck. TR use LA then throw daggers, killing BiS GWF (and other players in few seconds) If u cant see that u are the stupid one
First, here are my stats.
Next, here is the shadowy log. And yes, my toon name is in the clear if you question my toon's stats, see me in PE. I'll dismiss and pet and remove actives.
Shadowy is the last damaging/viable damage I have against highly geared players. For the record, I can't even kill an immortal DC no matter how I try, I just don't have enough damage. We are at stalemate until someone comes along. I'll be trying for ages and my HP just slowly trickles down as he/she just stands and smiles at me. I don't use LB, smokebomb or whatnot. SE is way too noisy that they just dodge it so I barely use it. In fact in my last 3 PVP sessions, never used it. It's slotted because it's the only daily that makes sense to have but oftentimes not used. If you hate all these damages, stealth, encounters, FFS as TR, we are sick and tired of the whining as well. Give us alternatives and keep us viable, then we can move on. But until you have some classes still broken, yet you whine about us (all the time it seems) and nothing is being done, then perhaps your whining will fall on deaf ears.
ohhhh last mod..... ohhhhhh! ho ho ho ho! fine story from a HR who wants his class fix (as if)