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Something needs to be done about TRs
daimyon
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 49
I think everyone has thought it after spending any amount of time in PVP. It feels like there is no point to playing PVP unless you're a rogue. Almost every game I play in, half or more players are rogues.
The major issue is that you don't even get a fighting chance against Trickster Rogues. They stealth in, and in one move, you're at 50% health or less. From then, you're dazed until you die. And before you say, "just see them coming and dodge the assassination," let us remember that they can easily restealth and do it again in very rapid succession.
Maybe they are meant to do a ton of single target DPS in PVE, but it's not translating very well into PVP.
The major issue is that you don't even get a fighting chance against Trickster Rogues. They stealth in, and in one move, you're at 50% health or less. From then, you're dazed until you die. And before you say, "just see them coming and dodge the assassination," let us remember that they can easily restealth and do it again in very rapid succession.
Maybe they are meant to do a ton of single target DPS in PVE, but it's not translating very well into PVP.
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Guy in my guild just posted this. It's pretty broken atm.
Divine 60 Spellstorm Control Wizard
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Maybe... Just mayyyybe.. They are meant to do a lot of single target DPS in PvP also.
It's not dps it's ****ing broken opener damage.
No they were never meant to be this strong.
The only reason they are like this is because on the PC version they have made changes based on end game content.
TR's are broken because they made no balance changes for the xbox version which is currently filled with new players and fresh low rated gear.
(i'm talking about level 60 here)
Or do you honestly believe taking 90% damage off of a target is fair (with one skill).
I'm also talking about Lvl60 PVP.
I do believe it's fair, once people have a high pool of HP and Tenacity it won't be as bad but even still, if a TR that is geared hits a lower geared player, they deserve to die.
I feel like they need to have that 1 shot hard damaging Power for the simple fact they are suppose to be the "Assassins" of the game and in order to assassinate someone with 30,000 life they better hit f***ing hard.. You nerf the Rogue and he starts slapping people for 5,000 damage that will be ridiculous.. LOL come on man, learn to dodge.
You would think that, playing a rogue yourself.
Yup and you would spam OP NERFZ OHEMGEE because you got steamrolled and you don't play one yourself.
If you "just see them coming and dodge the assassination" then you won't get hit.
Oh, they re-stealthed and they want to do it again? GREAT! Your evade is off CD, so, uh, DODGE again?
I suggest you spend more time practicing your dodging than complaining on the forums.
You probably shouldn't have said anything because you look like an idiot.
I don't care if they are Stealthed or not, you can still dodge them regardless.
If you have been playing since release on PC and don't know this, then you need to uninstall and probably never play a single video game ever again in your life.
I got tired of being 1-shotted by other Rogues so I now bait them into swinging first and then I "DODGE" them and return the favor. ((MIND YOU THEY ARE STEALTH WHEN THEY ARE SWINGING FIRST))
You could probably be less vulgar and offensive because typing cuss words does not prove your point any better. It actually makes you look like a dumb *** to be honest.
PSS- I just saw your name and didn't realize it at first, no wonder you act like a child.
twitch.tv/xx_alucard
Folks that are saying that this is "fine" and everyone else should adjust to their lopsided playing field are clearly in denial and only offer conjecture in defense of their huge advantage.
An adjustment to the class is inevitable.
Pyx - LvL 60 PvP AC DC Retired
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I agree that lashing blade should be able to instakill the undergeared or squishy. I think that lashing blade should be left exactly like it was in mod 5. However, I will point out that maybe telling this guy to simply dodge may not be the best advise if he plays anything that is not a rogue. Not everyone has that kind of mobility. Though you are right, there are plenty of ways all classes can prevent themselves from being instakilled by us without whining for nerfs and there are lots of ways to locate a rogue while it is in stealth(its actually pretty easy). A tank of equal gs can't be instakilled with lashing blade anyway because of hp/defense or in the case of gfs, a shield(there are some rare rogue exceptions but that's like less than 1% of rogues). A warlock has a harder time than the other classes(probably because they need their class buffed bad) avoiding rogue instakills but I've had my *** kicked by skilled sw on numerous occasions in spite of it. An hr actually has several ways to avoid the rogue instakill such as powers that hold you still, ranged damage, and very good mobility. cws can when played right just immobilize, freeze, pick you up and strangle you, ect, so that rogue may not be able to lay a finger on that cw before the cw kills him. And cws can teleport which requires skill on the rogue's part to learn how to counter. No class in my opinion was op in mod 5 by itself, only skilled, well built, and/or well geared members of a class were op against anybody. And that was a good thing, you could still become op(not a problem since all classes have that capability) but when facing an equally skilled member of any class, that match will be pretty darn fair.
I would actually be okay with that, and I play a CW. The difference between playing a CW and TR is that your build will make or break you as a CW. As a TR, you can pretty much own with very little effort. I've pretty much optimized my build and put up numbers that not many CW's can. I also see a ton of CW's pvping with a horrible build and it shows. And I can tell you playing a CW in pvp takes a lot more skill than playing a TR, and I hope people that have played both would agree.(I've played both)
Control Wizard
Shut up.
Problem with TR is they have no downsides. mobility damage and survivability, pending if they don't get grasped but even then all they do is spam their dodge and use Impossible to catch.
When I play a TR I get kinda sad when people dodge..... all I can think is.... guess I'll try again later. At which point I'll flee and try to one hit again.
fyi stop getting mad. You're probably new to this game and don't know how to play to the best of your ability.
I can tell you're new because your stupid join date is march2015.
New-to-mmo generation, this game has been out for a long time. Rouges are still the same.
So as arnold would say, "STOP WHINING":).
I just went through this thread and saw that I'm the only one with a join date of Mar 2015.. I hope you're not calling me out for complaining because not once did I complain about Rogues. I actually told everyone to just dodge. Soooo you can STFU.
While usually a touchy subject as PvP tends to be, this thread has been pretty peaceful.
Until you come in with your forum diarrhea spewing from your piehole telling people to shut up. Not sure who you think you are, but you bring no relevance at all to this topic. You must want to be flamed for your sheer rudeness and ignorance.
I read through your prior posts, as anyone can do, and its obvious you continually troll peoples threads with your ridiculous rude comments.
Its plainly obvious you have no real opinions on anything and they seem to change on the daily.
Here is a quote from one of your previous posts.
Quote: TR's Are so easy to kill. I rolled a CW and Obliterated one. Simply by knowing what he's guna try and do.
Problem is people are not learning fast enough. They see big numbers on them and they are like "**** op that TR must have killed me all on his own."
You say that....and now you come in here complaining about TR's?
Please continue posting.....so we can all point and laugh at your expense.
Cheers!
Hahahahah troll got put back under the bridge
Either your joking or you have no idea how the cleric is played. Either way you are wrong. The only way a DC can pull this off on xbox is if they are straight healing and buff spec or hella lucky.Also being fully empowered and have prophetic passive wich only works once every 60 seconds and it negates all damage for one hit, if they are straight healing then their damage output is severely hindered and they will still eventually die. I know this because i play a DC and pvp often unless the rouges are out in droves. Im more of a damage spec and can burn down folks pretty easy until my divinity meter goes dry then its game over unless i do like most of the rouges I have encountered do and run. I have full t1 and some t2 gear.working on a full set of pvp gear when i get the time.At my 25k hp i am one shot kill for most rouges. when it doesn't kill me outright the dude usually runs because i guess its just so surprising for them that i wasn't insta-killed that they don't know how to react. When im on a decent team im usually on top unless there is a half way decent rouge on the map. Its not cause we are op,its cause i took the time to learn the strengths and weakness of my particular build. And yes you might be able to get lucky and dodge at the right moment to avoid a one shot. But then another just pops out and kills you.
I play at least 8-12 matches per day and almost always the teams consist of at least 3 rouges on each side and sometimes more. I seen a rouge last week solo the dragon on epic mad dragon. Don't see this happen with any other class. Im not saying nerf them in pve, however 20-30k crit hits in pvp is ridiculous regardless of whether or not they are the "assassin" class. I suppose if they same thing was happening to rouges they wouldn't be so quick to say its fair. I personally would be happy with a cool down on the stealth that was long enough that when they missed they just couldn't run around the corner and re stealth to try for another one shot, at least that would give the illusion of fair play.
I have a thread here that asks "Trickster Rogue (Thief) in PvP" Any tips on how to beat them with a HUNTER
Thanks
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Playing as a rogue will definitely help. It will also make you realize how much easier pvp is being a rogue compared to other classes so don't take it too hard on yourself if you find yourself being bested by one. I made a rogue myself strictly for insight on the class.