Idk why you guys have a problem with gs there is a handfull of players that can play they classes well. and as you say high gs doesnt mean they know what they do but at least you know he may played this game for a view hours or has big money i like the gs for stuff like tiamat i'm tired of whiping with pugs since every one can join the fight with his twink or fresh lvl 60...
Black Turtle TryhartzIV
Deadpool // HR
Shakur // Tr
TL;DR: Gear Score is an abused number that often leads to prejudice and bigotry against those who have a low GS number. It should be removed from the game, and players ought to be judged based on their competence, not their Gear Score.
This has become a real problem in raids like Tiamat, when players conclude that the reason for a failed raid is "low GS" by some members of the raid. There are even people who insist that a 15k GS should be a minimum, which is absurd - a DC wearing full High Prophet (T1) gear (the best gear for a debuff DC), all Mod 1/Mod 2 boons, and full Rank 7's will have a GS of around 14k. It is astounding to think that some players would want to exclude this 14k High Prophet DC from the raid in favor of a DC that has worse gear but padded stats, all in the name of having characters with bigger GS numbers "assist" them in victory in the raid.
At the extreme, some players use GS to harshly judge players with a low number, and accuse them of being leeches, parasites, idiots, or worse. This is just outright bigotry, but it is enabled by the "GS culture" that pervades this game, where the presumption is that high GS means better player.
Personally I am against hiding Gear score/gear for numerous reasons.
Why should a 10/11k gs being able to hide their gear score/gear when they are standing at the entrance of the Temple?
You have pretty much answered your own question...
I am not against 14/15k gs players who entering the Temple when they have made some decent effort to be able to perform in a decent way which means proper gear, proper enchanting’s, proper Artifacts and companions loaded.
But what do I see quite often by inspecting these 10/11k gs players (and can prove it with dozens of screenshot's) is Green gear which can be found in Sharandar, blue gear and eventually purple HAMSTER from AH added to reach the requested gear score, r3/4 enchantments if enchantments at all (mostly wrong too but who cares), only the Artifact which comes from Black dagger ruins and no sigil from IWD..
These combined facts are telling me that these players have skipped Sharandar, Dread ring and IWD and goes straight to the Temple as soon they have reached 60 in a few days, where they inspecting high geared players, watching them when they enter and follow them in in an attempt to get easy changes on gear they do not deserve.
I do not judge the 14/15k gs players because I can see if they have actually putted some effort and have earned the right to be there.
But I do Judge those 10/11k gs players decked out in ****ty gear trying to follow those (as it is called) GS Elitists and I call them Leeches and Parasites.... Does that makes me a GS Elitist (or Snob)? Yes, and I’m **** proud of what I have achieved thus far. I have finished Sharandar, Dreadring and IWD... Have all my Boons, Proper Enchanting’s, choices of Artifacts and companions. This have made me a 24k gs Tank with 71k hp thus far. So, let me be a GS Elitist because I know where I am coming from.
People are defending those 10/11k gs players and they all say... “GS doesn’t tell anything, skill is important (they think). Well, the fact is that even (if) they have a ton of skills they simply don’t succeed just for the simple fact that they have no resists at all which forcing me to activate KV when running up the ramps to intercept 50% of their incoming damage and turn it off at Head… And even then I have seen them dropping like flies... These are the ones who are ruining the runs of players who have decent gear.
These things have forced me to get a full set of T2 gear from AH (so I am not interesting enough when I am being inspected and swap gear inside), these things have forced me to make fake runs to the Temple door and instead of entering I change WoD instance to lure them into entering the Temple just to avoid that these Leeches are jumping on my back.
With this being said…
Developers made a big mistake by letting WoD comes alive as it is now at this point, No boon requirements, no campaign and a whopping 10k gs to enter WoD and the Temple. They should simply fix this by implementing a boon and campaign requirement as we have with IWD.
Therefore it’s my personal opinion (for entering the Temple) to get 2 full boons (Sharandar or Dreadring) and IWD, that way the players who have been gone through these two automatically have the desired gs (14k+) and playing skills for entering the Temple.
I have much respect for those 10/11 k gs players on LFG channel who actually work on their gear upgrades by running the needed dungeons to get their gear together, those are the ones who I help quite often with pleasure to get them through these dungeons so they get the gear upgrades they need.
IMHO it’s not needed for being able to hide your gs and gear other than being able to hide ****ty gear in the Temple for other players.
Let me be a GS Snob or Elitist… Im **** proud of it.
Personally I am against hiding Gear score/gear for numerous reasons.
Why should a 10/11k gs being able to hide their gear score/gear when they are standing at the entrance of the Temple?
You have pretty much answered your own question...
I am not against 14/15k gs players who entering the Temple when they have made some decent effort to be able to perform in a decent way which means proper gear, proper enchanting’s, proper Artifacts and companions loaded.
But what do I see quite often by inspecting these 10/11k gs players (and can prove it with dozens of screenshot's) is Green gear which can be found in Sharandar, blue gear and eventually purple HAMSTER from AH added to reach the requested gear score, r3/4 enchantments if enchantments at all (mostly wrong too but who cares), only the Artifact which comes from Black dagger ruins and no sigil from IWD..
These combined facts are telling me that these players have skipped Sharandar, Dread ring and IWD and goes straight to the Temple as soon they have reached 60 in a few days, where they inspecting high geared players, watching them when they enter and follow them in in an attempt to get easy changes on gear they do not deserve.
I do not judge the 14/15k gs players because I can see if they have actually putted some effort and have earned the right to be there.
But I do Judge those 10/11k gs players decked out in ****ty gear trying to follow those (as it is called) GS Elitists and I call them Leeches and Parasites.... Does that makes me a GS Elitist (or Snob)? Yes, and I’m **** proud of what I have achieved thus far. I have finished Sharandar, Dreadring and IWD... Have all my Boons, Proper Enchanting’s, choices of Artifacts and companions. This have made me a 24k gs Tank with 71k hp thus far. So, let me be a GS Elitist because I know where I am coming from.
People are defending those 10/11k gs players and they all say... “GS doesn’t tell anything, skill is important (they think). Well, the fact is that even (if) they have a ton of skills they simply don’t succeed just for the simple fact that they have no resists at all which forcing me to activate KV when running up the ramps to intercept 50% of their incoming damage and turn it off at Head… And even then I have seen them dropping like flies... These are the ones who are ruining the runs of players who have decent gear.
These things have forced me to get a full set of T2 gear from AH (so I am not interesting enough when I am being inspected and swap gear inside), these things have forced me to make fake runs to the Temple door and instead of entering I change WoD instance to lure them into entering the Temple just to avoid that these Leeches are jumping on my back.
With this being said…
Developers made a big mistake by letting WoD comes alive as it is now at this point, No boon requirements, no campaign and a whopping 10k gs to enter WoD and the Temple. They should simply fix this by implementing a boon and campaign requirement as we have with IWD.
Therefore it’s my personal opinion (for entering the Temple) to get 2 full boons (Sharandar or Dreadring) and IWD, that way the players who have been gone through these two automatically have the desired gs (14k+) and playing skills for entering the Temple.
I have much respect for those 10/11 k gs players on LFG channel who actually work on their gear upgrades by running the needed dungeons to get their gear together, those are the ones who I help quite often with pleasure to get them through these dungeons so they get the gear upgrades they need.
IMHO it’s not needed for being able to hide your gs and gear other than being able to hide ****ty gear in the Temple for other players.
Let me be a GS Snob or Elitist… Im **** proud of it.
I totaly agree with you and full suport everything you said ty
Lets face it GS is not perfect but nothing is. If we compare it to real life, and say that a 20K GS is the same as somebody who is a director or senior partner of a company and a 4K GS is the intern, it starts to make sense. A director does not usually hang out and do things with interns and the same is true of the game.
I went to Tiamat with a TR leadership mule, I pushed over 10k GS. He ranked 9th in the final ranking. My conclusion is not, that you do have to get rid of GS or, that 10k is enough, but that there are many bad players and a few good ones who carry the fight (I am not talking about my 10k GS TR).
I played the TR for 2 weeks and pushed it over 16k GS. Granted, most players are not around since beta and can just buy some stuff to gear their chars up, but I did NOT speed up boons, I did not slap on some artefact belt and necklace, I use class artefacts, enchantements and gear I farmed, bought or had in my vault.
The TR is a pet project. I geared him up out of boredom. If your char is a toon, you can reach 14-15k GS in a few weeks, maybe a month, if you do the dailies. If it is your FIRST and ONLY char, it will take longer, but when I look at the ppl entering Tiamat I have to say, that at last half of them are either clueless, lazy or trolls feeding of other ppls effort, bc I cant belive, that half of the players in the game reached lvl 60 less than a month ago.
If you have 16k GS and are a bad player, you are a bad player. Maybe you should ask some expirienced ones for help or read the forum. If you have a GS of 10k and you are fine with it, good for you. If you are playing for month, still sitting on your 10k GS and you enter Tiamat, complaining about high GS players using que times you are a leecher complaining about other ppl, bc they dont want to do your work.
IMO the concept behind Tiamat is flawed and there are a lot of ppl exploiting this.
I went to Tiamat with a TR leadership mule, I pushed over 10k GS. He ranked 9th in the final ranking. My conclusion is not, that you do have to get rid of GS or, that 10k is enough, but that there are many bad players and a few good ones who carry the fight (I am not talking about my 10k GS TR).
I played the TR for 2 weeks and pushed it over 16k GS. Granted, most players are not around since beta and can just buy some stuff to gear their chars up, but I did NOT speed up boons, I did not slap on some artefact belt and necklace, I use class artefacts, enchantements and gear I farmed, bought or had in my vault.
The TR is a pet project. I geared him up out of boredom. If your char is a toon, you can reach 14-15k GS in a few weeks, maybe a month, if you do the dailies. If it is your FIRST and ONLY char, it will take longer, but when I look at the ppl entering Tiamat I have to say, that at last half of them are either clueless, lazy or trolls feeding of other ppls effort, bc I cant belive, that half of the players in the game reached lvl 60 less than a month ago.
If you have 16k GS and are a bad player, you are a bad player. Maybe you should ask some expirienced ones for help or read the forum. If you have a GS of 10k and you are fine with it, good for you. If you are playing for month, still sitting on your 10k GS and you enter Tiamat, complaining about high GS players using que times you are a leecher complaining about other ppl, bc they dont want to do your work.
IMO the concept behind Tiamat is flawed and there are a lot of ppl exploiting this.
I see someone else seeing a ranking in tiamat and thinking it means anything
IT DOESNT
I know alot of people think that asking people to go and get boons ,gear and learn there class mechs is eliteism but we are only asking that they wait till they are ready and a 10k gs anything is not ready
I dare you to put together a 25 man 10k gs group and try tiamat
then you would see what we are upset about
I took my 10 k CW in Tiamat fight other day I was so happy to finally get there. Seemed really hard to get my GS up over the 10 k. Getting my first Boon helped Now people were complaining after on zone and Legit chat, that there were people there with low GS Haha.. I had a good chuckle at all the comments. Actually I thought I did really well protecting the clerics, I did not fall and basically saved it a bunch, because I do the best at control not so much DPS. But the heads were another issue, died a lot, but people were not using gems, so I died more than I should have and couldn't be very helpful there. Just shows GS does not mean a lot, you simply can't factor in critical things like build type, play style, how well you play, and such. Some high GS groups are the worst, and I seen low GS parties do better. Make too much of GS, great execution and hard work, teamwork, will always trump great talent and high GS that is not used properly.
I would leave GS the way it is, maybe tweak, improve, but make hidden. It should never be seen. People will try to calculate there own GS but I think it will die off this GS rating thing... solving a lot of problem. You might get message politely saying "Sorry, your player stats need to be improved to enter this instance or epic dungeon" or other ways of doing the basic requirement thing.
I took my 10 k CW in Tiamat fight other day I was so happy to finally get there. Seemed really hard to get my GS up over the 10 k. Getting my first Boon helped Now people were complaining after on zone and Legit chat, that there were people there with low GS Haha.. I had a good chuckle at all the comments. Actually I thought I did really well protecting the clerics, I did not fall and basically saved it a bunch, because I do the best at control not so much DPS. But the heads were another issue, died a lot, but people were not using gems, so I died more than I should have and couldn't be very helpful there. Just shows GS does not mean a lot, you simply can't factor in critical things like build type, play style, how well you play, and such. Some high GS groups are the worst, and I seen low GS parties do better. Make too much of GS, great execution and hard work, teamwork, will always trump great talent and high GS that is not used properly.
You died more than you should have, so all the time you were dead you were not there. So you were not helping!
I took my 10 k CW in Tiamat fight other day I was so happy to finally get there. Seemed really hard to get my GS up over the 10 k. Getting my first Boon helped Now people were complaining after on zone and Legit chat, that there were people there with low GS Haha.. I had a good chuckle at all the comments. Actually I thought I did really well protecting the clerics, I did not fall and basically saved it a bunch, because I do the best at control not so much DPS. But the heads were another issue, died a lot, but people were not using gems, so I died more than I should have and couldn't be very helpful there. Just shows GS does not mean a lot, you simply can't factor in critical things like build type, play style, how well you play, and such. Some high GS groups are the worst, and I seen low GS parties do better. Make too much of GS, great execution and hard work, teamwork, will always trump great talent and high GS that is not used properly.
The only gems that are needed are green and blue. All other breaths should be survivable. 10kgs needs perfect play in a coordinated party, (read premade) which of course can't happen in the current set up.
The only gems that are needed are green and blue. All other breaths should be survivable. 10kgs needs perfect play in a coordinated party, (read premade) which of course can't happen in the current set up.
I took my 10 k CW in Tiamat fight other day I was so happy to finally get there. Seemed really hard to get my GS up over the 10 k. Getting my first Boon helped Now people were complaining after on zone and Legit chat, that there were people there with low GS Haha.. I had a good chuckle at all the comments. Actually I thought I did really well protecting the clerics, I did not fall and basically saved it a bunch, because I do the best at control not so much DPS. But the heads were another issue, died a lot, but people were not using gems, so I died more than I should have and couldn't be very helpful there. Just shows GS does not mean a lot, you simply can't factor in critical things like build type, play style, how well you play, and such. Some high GS groups are the worst, and I seen low GS parties do better. Make too much of GS, great execution and hard work, teamwork, will always trump great talent and high GS that is not used properly.
This is exactly the issue in Tiamat... lacking resists which comes from decent gear.
Even without the Gem casting you should be able to survive this if you had?.. and again.. Decent gear, Enchantings, Artifacts and companions.
As you said by yourself.. youre proud on getting your first boon, but what about the boons you get in Sharandar, Dreadring and IWD? I bet you have noone of them
There comes a time where you cannot find a back anymore where you can jump on..
I see someone else seeing a ranking in tiamat and thinking it means anything
IT DOESNT
I know alot of people think that asking people to go and get boons ,gear and learn there class mechs is eliteism but we are only asking that they wait till they are ready and a 10k gs anything is not ready
I dare you to put together a 25 man 10k gs group and try tiamat
then you would see what we are upset about
Did you read my post? I said, that there are a lot of WORSE players running Tiamat, than my TR and, that 6-12 ppl have to carry the rest to victory, MY TR NOT INCLUDED.
I went on, to say, that I geared him up to 16k+ in two weeks and, that I dont understand, why half of the players are going there with low GS.
I play since beta, and I outdpsed 15k CWs with a bad build with a 6k leadership CW toon. GS is not everything blabla.., BUT I do more dmg, control/ buff, debuff heal etc. with better geared chars, so the WORST char I play has 16k+ GS, two at 19k and my mains with 7+ legendaries, 5+ epic companions, all R9+, perf. enchants etc. have ~22-23k GS.
Did you read my post? I said, that there are a lot of WORSE players running Tiamat, than my TR and, that 6-12 ppl have to carry the rest to victory, MY TR NOT INCLUDED.
I went on, to say, that I geared him up to 16k+ in two weeks and, that I dont understand, why half of the players are going there with low GS.
I play since beta, and I outdpsed 15k CWs with a bad build with a 6k leadership CW toon. GS is not everything blabla.., BUT I do more dmg, control/ buff, debuff heal etc. with better geared chars, so the WORST char I play has 16k+ GS, two at 19k and my mains with 7+ legendaries, 5+ epic companions, all R9+, perf. enchants etc. have ~22-23k GS.
great but what about the other 15 scrubs riding on the backs of the guys that paid there dues
I agree I should be more leveled but I didn't do as bad as some higher GS I'm sure and lots others were dying because no one picked up gems for what ever reason.. people left instance why leave? Lame... I won't go back in there till I got more boons but it was interesting I did better than I thought I would and I had guts to tough it, this is learning process were all learning, communication is key and yes its been talked a lot about nothing new there. If you were winning all the time you be whining it's too easy. Tough it out maybe you see someone that is brave to try and fail, instead of being cowardly and leave. I have won in Tiamat and could have been AFK and still won (and yes people do that all the time). Just don't leave.. suck it up
I still dare anyone to put together a 10 raid group of 25 10ks and go to tiamat!!
It wont work and everyone knows it.
This wil never happen because then they have to admit that they shouldn't belong there yet
Me (and some others) have asked this a couple of times, I even have challanged the complete Dev team (include moderators) to get in there with 10k gs toons (no proper gear, no proper enchanting, no proper artifact and companions) and disable their god mode.
Asked them to make a livestream of that event to prove all the players that they are capable in defeating Tiamat. but that will not happen because they might have a big change that they will lose their creditbillity about the real facts which is playing in Tiamat.
Tiamat is just a failed mod and they do not do anything to fix it
great but what about the other 15 scrubs riding on the backs of the guys that paid there dues
Why do you all get so upset that low GS people are being carried by high GS people? That is the case in ANY party, any dungeon, any skirmish, any group play at all. Why should Tiamat be any different?
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toxicwolfieMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 41Arc User
edited January 2015
The only place GS is or ever will be a problem is in PvP.And removing it wouldn't help that anyway.If this was about removing the overload slots or making so there was only one gear.Then maybe.
The real problem is it's to easy to become OP.And they just keep adding new ways to power up.Not sure why,since mobs aren't getting any harder aside from some bosses.My level 60 CW can use two skills to kill most zone mobs and i'm only rocking a 12k GS.And the gear i'm using is the grim PvP set.
Why do you all get so upset that low GS people are being carried by high GS people? That is the case in ANY party, any dungeon, any skirmish, any group play at all. Why should Tiamat be any different?
I have no problem caring a few at a time but thats not whats happening
Ther are too manny 10ks in there to be caried by us higher end players
Not saying individual hiding GS. GS it's still there doing what it should be doing. Just not visible to each other. The mechanics and entrance requirements still doing what they do.
I think sounds like the 10 k GS score is a bit low, it should allow for factoring in of a few more boons, like you said those resistances are important. I'm not developer or project coordinator you will have to ask them there thinking behind the low GS score required and no other campaign completion.
Is it worth it to whine so much? A lot of you have figured out ways around this already...
Why didn't you use one either? If no one used one there, that means you didn't use one either, that means you didn't help the situation there either.
I did use mine quite faithfully, there just wasn't enough people doing it. So lot of people dying. Maybe it was a group just of newer players. You seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions about things.
This is exactly the issue in Tiamat... lacking resists which comes from decent gear.
Even without the Gem casting you should be able to survive this if you had?.. and again.. Decent gear, Enchantings, Artifacts and companions.
As you said by yourself.. youre proud on getting your first boon, but what about the boons you get in Sharandar, Dreadring and IWD? I bet you have noone of them
There comes a time where you cannot find a back anymore where you can jump on..
Sidenote, youre a disgrace for the Legit channel
I don't know about you, but I was under the assumption that Legit is not supposed to factor in gear score, just good team work.. and helping, sounds like...
I did use mine quite faithfully, there just wasn't enough people doing it. So lot of people dying. Maybe it was a group just of newer players. You seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions about things.
You said you died a lot on the heads and that it was because no one used gems. Pretty basic reasoning on my part. 1+1=2
I don't know about you, but I was under the assumption that Legit is not supposed to factor in gear score, just good team work.. and helping, sounds like...
Legit is about joining when you are in a condition to join. Most people would say you were not. I think that 10k players could do it in a premade but not likely in a pug which is all that you can join. So even I'd say that it's unlikely you are ready until 12kgs.
I have no problem caring a few at a time but thats not whats happening
Ther are too manny 10ks in there to be caried by us higher end players
I agree there are some sponges, leeches, but truthfully I don't care about them. I just have fun. There are some great groups and people I play with and quite enjoying playing with them and slowly getting better. I have been a guild member for awhile now and it's great. People are really helpful and helped me and others out. It takes so long at least for me to improve and make a stronger more resilient player. I don't have gobs of money unfortunately. But it is what it is what it is. I have been disappointed with the Legit channel a few times, I detect a strong amount of this elite attitude there. Some of you are not what your preaching. But I come clean, over and all the Legit is very good and I have renewed faith..
Legit is about joining when you are in a condition to join. Most people would say you were not. I think that 10k players could do it in a premade but not likely in a pug which is all that you can join. So even I'd say that it's unlikely you are ready until 12kgs.
I won't argue anymore on this but I think what your saying is very obtuse.
I won't argue anymore on this but I think what your saying is very obtuse.
Not so much. In 10kgs run you're likely to need all the gems, you won't get them in a pug. You're likely to need the support of a cleric as your ls won't be high enough without them, you won't always have one. You're likely to need CW's and GF's to control the mobs around the clerics, you won't always have them. You're going to need to have your debuffs planned out well, you won't always get that. That's why I think 10kgs is perfectly reasonable as a premade party but unreasonable as a pug. At 12kgs you'll likely have more def, more hp, more ls. That means in addition to doing more damage you're going to be able to live longer, and not die. Remember you have zero dps while dead, and that's a major factor.
I agree there are some sponges, leeches, but truthfully I don't care about them. I just have fun. There are some great groups and people I play with and quite enjoying playing with them and slowly getting better. I have been a guild member for awhile now and it's great. People are really helpful and helped me and others out. It takes so long at least for me to improve and make a stronger more resilient player. I don't have gobs of money unfortunately. But it is what it is what it is. I have been disappointed with the Legit channel a few times, I detect a strong amount of this elite attitude there. Some of you are not what your preaching. But I come clean, over and all the Legit is very good and I have renewed faith..
Last modules content for the skirmish and dungeon were 13k min requirement. The last content released that had such low requirements was mod 1 when we didn't have artifacts and artifact gear. So yeah, 10k was a mistake and you should work on your character on other content before attempting again imo. But you seem to have taken it as a learning experience and doing that anyway.
Why do you all get so upset that low GS people are being carried by high GS people? That is the case in ANY party, any dungeon, any skirmish, any group play at all. Why should Tiamat be any different?
People have more of a right to be upset at Tiamat's queueing system. Because there is none!
If this was just a regular dungeon, you have an option to queue with your friends, your guild, certain folks you pick in LFG or randomly like in any other Neverwinter dungeon or other MMOs.
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Deadpool // HR
Shakur // Tr
Personally I am against hiding Gear score/gear for numerous reasons.
Why should a 10/11k gs being able to hide their gear score/gear when they are standing at the entrance of the Temple?
You have pretty much answered your own question...
I am not against 14/15k gs players who entering the Temple when they have made some decent effort to be able to perform in a decent way which means proper gear, proper enchanting’s, proper Artifacts and companions loaded.
But what do I see quite often by inspecting these 10/11k gs players (and can prove it with dozens of screenshot's) is Green gear which can be found in Sharandar, blue gear and eventually purple HAMSTER from AH added to reach the requested gear score, r3/4 enchantments if enchantments at all (mostly wrong too but who cares), only the Artifact which comes from Black dagger ruins and no sigil from IWD..
These combined facts are telling me that these players have skipped Sharandar, Dread ring and IWD and goes straight to the Temple as soon they have reached 60 in a few days, where they inspecting high geared players, watching them when they enter and follow them in in an attempt to get easy changes on gear they do not deserve.
I do not judge the 14/15k gs players because I can see if they have actually putted some effort and have earned the right to be there.
But I do Judge those 10/11k gs players decked out in ****ty gear trying to follow those (as it is called) GS Elitists and I call them Leeches and Parasites.... Does that makes me a GS Elitist (or Snob)? Yes, and I’m **** proud of what I have achieved thus far. I have finished Sharandar, Dreadring and IWD... Have all my Boons, Proper Enchanting’s, choices of Artifacts and companions. This have made me a 24k gs Tank with 71k hp thus far. So, let me be a GS Elitist because I know where I am coming from.
People are defending those 10/11k gs players and they all say... “GS doesn’t tell anything, skill is important (they think). Well, the fact is that even (if) they have a ton of skills they simply don’t succeed just for the simple fact that they have no resists at all which forcing me to activate KV when running up the ramps to intercept 50% of their incoming damage and turn it off at Head… And even then I have seen them dropping like flies... These are the ones who are ruining the runs of players who have decent gear.
These things have forced me to get a full set of T2 gear from AH (so I am not interesting enough when I am being inspected and swap gear inside), these things have forced me to make fake runs to the Temple door and instead of entering I change WoD instance to lure them into entering the Temple just to avoid that these Leeches are jumping on my back.
With this being said…
Developers made a big mistake by letting WoD comes alive as it is now at this point, No boon requirements, no campaign and a whopping 10k gs to enter WoD and the Temple. They should simply fix this by implementing a boon and campaign requirement as we have with IWD.
Therefore it’s my personal opinion (for entering the Temple) to get 2 full boons (Sharandar or Dreadring) and IWD, that way the players who have been gone through these two automatically have the desired gs (14k+) and playing skills for entering the Temple.
I have much respect for those 10/11 k gs players on LFG channel who actually work on their gear upgrades by running the needed dungeons to get their gear together, those are the ones who I help quite often with pleasure to get them through these dungeons so they get the gear upgrades they need.
IMHO it’s not needed for being able to hide your gs and gear other than being able to hide ****ty gear in the Temple for other players.
Let me be a GS Snob or Elitist… Im **** proud of it.
Why should a 10/11k gs being able to hide their gear score/gear when they are standing at the entrance of the Temple?
You have pretty much answered your own question...
I am not against 14/15k gs players who entering the Temple when they have made some decent effort to be able to perform in a decent way which means proper gear, proper enchanting’s, proper Artifacts and companions loaded.
But what do I see quite often by inspecting these 10/11k gs players (and can prove it with dozens of screenshot's) is Green gear which can be found in Sharandar, blue gear and eventually purple HAMSTER from AH added to reach the requested gear score, r3/4 enchantments if enchantments at all (mostly wrong too but who cares), only the Artifact which comes from Black dagger ruins and no sigil from IWD..
These combined facts are telling me that these players have skipped Sharandar, Dread ring and IWD and goes straight to the Temple as soon they have reached 60 in a few days, where they inspecting high geared players, watching them when they enter and follow them in in an attempt to get easy changes on gear they do not deserve.
I do not judge the 14/15k gs players because I can see if they have actually putted some effort and have earned the right to be there.
But I do Judge those 10/11k gs players decked out in ****ty gear trying to follow those (as it is called) GS Elitists and I call them Leeches and Parasites.... Does that makes me a GS Elitist (or Snob)? Yes, and I’m **** proud of what I have achieved thus far. I have finished Sharandar, Dreadring and IWD... Have all my Boons, Proper Enchanting’s, choices of Artifacts and companions. This have made me a 24k gs Tank with 71k hp thus far. So, let me be a GS Elitist because I know where I am coming from.
People are defending those 10/11k gs players and they all say... “GS doesn’t tell anything, skill is important (they think). Well, the fact is that even (if) they have a ton of skills they simply don’t succeed just for the simple fact that they have no resists at all which forcing me to activate KV when running up the ramps to intercept 50% of their incoming damage and turn it off at Head… And even then I have seen them dropping like flies... These are the ones who are ruining the runs of players who have decent gear.
These things have forced me to get a full set of T2 gear from AH (so I am not interesting enough when I am being inspected and swap gear inside), these things have forced me to make fake runs to the Temple door and instead of entering I change WoD instance to lure them into entering the Temple just to avoid that these Leeches are jumping on my back.
With this being said…
Developers made a big mistake by letting WoD comes alive as it is now at this point, No boon requirements, no campaign and a whopping 10k gs to enter WoD and the Temple. They should simply fix this by implementing a boon and campaign requirement as we have with IWD.
Therefore it’s my personal opinion (for entering the Temple) to get 2 full boons (Sharandar or Dreadring) and IWD, that way the players who have been gone through these two automatically have the desired gs (14k+) and playing skills for entering the Temple.
I have much respect for those 10/11 k gs players on LFG channel who actually work on their gear upgrades by running the needed dungeons to get their gear together, those are the ones who I help quite often with pleasure to get them through these dungeons so they get the gear upgrades they need.
IMHO it’s not needed for being able to hide your gs and gear other than being able to hide ****ty gear in the Temple for other players.
Let me be a GS Snob or Elitist… Im **** proud of it.
I totaly agree with you and full suport everything you said ty
I played the TR for 2 weeks and pushed it over 16k GS. Granted, most players are not around since beta and can just buy some stuff to gear their chars up, but I did NOT speed up boons, I did not slap on some artefact belt and necklace, I use class artefacts, enchantements and gear I farmed, bought or had in my vault.
The TR is a pet project. I geared him up out of boredom. If your char is a toon, you can reach 14-15k GS in a few weeks, maybe a month, if you do the dailies. If it is your FIRST and ONLY char, it will take longer, but when I look at the ppl entering Tiamat I have to say, that at last half of them are either clueless, lazy or trolls feeding of other ppls effort, bc I cant belive, that half of the players in the game reached lvl 60 less than a month ago.
If you have 16k GS and are a bad player, you are a bad player. Maybe you should ask some expirienced ones for help or read the forum. If you have a GS of 10k and you are fine with it, good for you. If you are playing for month, still sitting on your 10k GS and you enter Tiamat, complaining about high GS players using que times you are a leecher complaining about other ppl, bc they dont want to do your work.
IMO the concept behind Tiamat is flawed and there are a lot of ppl exploiting this.
I see someone else seeing a ranking in tiamat and thinking it means anything
IT DOESNT
I know alot of people think that asking people to go and get boons ,gear and learn there class mechs is eliteism but we are only asking that they wait till they are ready and a 10k gs anything is not ready
I dare you to put together a 25 man 10k gs group and try tiamat
then you would see what we are upset about
I would leave GS the way it is, maybe tweak, improve, but make hidden. It should never be seen. People will try to calculate there own GS but I think it will die off this GS rating thing... solving a lot of problem. You might get message politely saying "Sorry, your player stats need to be improved to enter this instance or epic dungeon" or other ways of doing the basic requirement thing.
You died more than you should have, so all the time you were dead you were not there. So you were not helping!
The only gems that are needed are green and blue. All other breaths should be survivable. 10kgs needs perfect play in a coordinated party, (read premade) which of course can't happen in the current set up.
No one used blue or green gems lol
It wont work and everyone knows it.
This is exactly the issue in Tiamat... lacking resists which comes from decent gear.
Even without the Gem casting you should be able to survive this if you had?.. and again.. Decent gear, Enchantings, Artifacts and companions.
As you said by yourself.. youre proud on getting your first boon, but what about the boons you get in Sharandar, Dreadring and IWD? I bet you have noone of them
There comes a time where you cannot find a back anymore where you can jump on..
Sidenote, youre a disgrace for the Legit channel
Did you read my post? I said, that there are a lot of WORSE players running Tiamat, than my TR and, that 6-12 ppl have to carry the rest to victory, MY TR NOT INCLUDED.
I went on, to say, that I geared him up to 16k+ in two weeks and, that I dont understand, why half of the players are going there with low GS.
I play since beta, and I outdpsed 15k CWs with a bad build with a 6k leadership CW toon. GS is not everything blabla.., BUT I do more dmg, control/ buff, debuff heal etc. with better geared chars, so the WORST char I play has 16k+ GS, two at 19k and my mains with 7+ legendaries, 5+ epic companions, all R9+, perf. enchants etc. have ~22-23k GS.
great but what about the other 15 scrubs riding on the backs of the guys that paid there dues
Why didn't you use one either? If no one used one there, that means you didn't use one either, that means you didn't help the situation there either.
This wil never happen because then they have to admit that they shouldn't belong there yet
Me (and some others) have asked this a couple of times, I even have challanged the complete Dev team (include moderators) to get in there with 10k gs toons (no proper gear, no proper enchanting, no proper artifact and companions) and disable their god mode.
Asked them to make a livestream of that event to prove all the players that they are capable in defeating Tiamat. but that will not happen because they might have a big change that they will lose their creditbillity about the real facts which is playing in Tiamat.
Tiamat is just a failed mod and they do not do anything to fix it
Why do you all get so upset that low GS people are being carried by high GS people? That is the case in ANY party, any dungeon, any skirmish, any group play at all. Why should Tiamat be any different?
The real problem is it's to easy to become OP.And they just keep adding new ways to power up.Not sure why,since mobs aren't getting any harder aside from some bosses.My level 60 CW can use two skills to kill most zone mobs and i'm only rocking a 12k GS.And the gear i'm using is the grim PvP set.
I have no problem caring a few at a time but thats not whats happening
Ther are too manny 10ks in there to be caried by us higher end players
I think sounds like the 10 k GS score is a bit low, it should allow for factoring in of a few more boons, like you said those resistances are important. I'm not developer or project coordinator you will have to ask them there thinking behind the low GS score required and no other campaign completion.
Is it worth it to whine so much? A lot of you have figured out ways around this already...
I did use mine quite faithfully, there just wasn't enough people doing it. So lot of people dying. Maybe it was a group just of newer players. You seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions about things.
I don't know about you, but I was under the assumption that Legit is not supposed to factor in gear score, just good team work.. and helping, sounds like...
You said you died a lot on the heads and that it was because no one used gems. Pretty basic reasoning on my part. 1+1=2
Legit is about joining when you are in a condition to join. Most people would say you were not. I think that 10k players could do it in a premade but not likely in a pug which is all that you can join. So even I'd say that it's unlikely you are ready until 12kgs.
I agree there are some sponges, leeches, but truthfully I don't care about them. I just have fun. There are some great groups and people I play with and quite enjoying playing with them and slowly getting better. I have been a guild member for awhile now and it's great. People are really helpful and helped me and others out. It takes so long at least for me to improve and make a stronger more resilient player. I don't have gobs of money unfortunately. But it is what it is what it is. I have been disappointed with the Legit channel a few times, I detect a strong amount of this elite attitude there. Some of you are not what your preaching. But I come clean, over and all the Legit is very good and I have renewed faith..
I won't argue anymore on this but I think what your saying is very obtuse.
Not so much. In 10kgs run you're likely to need all the gems, you won't get them in a pug. You're likely to need the support of a cleric as your ls won't be high enough without them, you won't always have one. You're likely to need CW's and GF's to control the mobs around the clerics, you won't always have them. You're going to need to have your debuffs planned out well, you won't always get that. That's why I think 10kgs is perfectly reasonable as a premade party but unreasonable as a pug. At 12kgs you'll likely have more def, more hp, more ls. That means in addition to doing more damage you're going to be able to live longer, and not die. Remember you have zero dps while dead, and that's a major factor.
Last modules content for the skirmish and dungeon were 13k min requirement. The last content released that had such low requirements was mod 1 when we didn't have artifacts and artifact gear. So yeah, 10k was a mistake and you should work on your character on other content before attempting again imo. But you seem to have taken it as a learning experience and doing that anyway.
People have more of a right to be upset at Tiamat's queueing system. Because there is none!
If this was just a regular dungeon, you have an option to queue with your friends, your guild, certain folks you pick in LFG or randomly like in any other Neverwinter dungeon or other MMOs.