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kellemaniac
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Dear Community,
Since Modul 5 and the most recent start of Tiamat, nearly everything lost its value.
T1: dropps now by HE's in mass
T2: dropps now by Tiamat
Artefact gear: Belts drop like lvl 4 enchants and flood the market, cloaks can be bought with 15 Luna's favour, which requires around 15x times defeating Tiamat
What else is there soon to grind for?
About the belt prices at Mod 4, atleast guilds had a reason to exist to run some dungeons for profit. Now you must either pay zillions of ZEN to get decent enchants or have 10 characters to salvage Epic gear. No dungeon gives profit for a split run now and every newcomer can buy a "piece of rare artefact gear", which they cant even get close to purple, to nonexistent ways to grind AD to buy RP. Like 8/10 of players I see got a green belt.
I'd start with removing t1/t2 gear from HE's/Lostmauth/Tiamat and decreasing the drop of artefact belts/cloaks drastically.
Anymore ideas? If you won't jump on this train, this game will die. So stop dumb commentaries or flames, a new player shouldnt have any kind of artefact gear/t2 in a couple of days.
Since Modul 5 and the most recent start of Tiamat, nearly everything lost its value.
T1: dropps now by HE's in mass
T2: dropps now by Tiamat
Artefact gear: Belts drop like lvl 4 enchants and flood the market, cloaks can be bought with 15 Luna's favour, which requires around 15x times defeating Tiamat
What else is there soon to grind for?
About the belt prices at Mod 4, atleast guilds had a reason to exist to run some dungeons for profit. Now you must either pay zillions of ZEN to get decent enchants or have 10 characters to salvage Epic gear. No dungeon gives profit for a split run now and every newcomer can buy a "piece of rare artefact gear", which they cant even get close to purple, to nonexistent ways to grind AD to buy RP. Like 8/10 of players I see got a green belt.
I'd start with removing t1/t2 gear from HE's/Lostmauth/Tiamat and decreasing the drop of artefact belts/cloaks drastically.
Anymore ideas? If you won't jump on this train, this game will die. So stop dumb commentaries or flames, a new player shouldnt have any kind of artefact gear/t2 in a couple of days.
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Frankly, its been a long time coming.
I agree with this and only this.
It's not bad that everyone can get it, but it's bad that it became mundane. Unfortunately (or fortunately, who knows?) it's too late to change it right now.
About the T1 and T2... I think the dungeons's rewards should be replaced with something more interesting now, like companions or regular artifacts. This is what I can suggest.
We need:
We don't need:
Once we have an ample supply of encouraged and cheap repeat purchase AD sinks, the Economy will get far better for everyone.
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But this is what I like to do.
Edit- yes, there was a time we needed more sinks.. but mostly we needed the sinks we already had to be made more reasonable. We ended up getting a bit of both.. although more of one than needed and not enough of the other.
We have enough now. So lower the price of upgrading mounts/companions, or leave it alone for a little while, please.
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I agree. Wasn't directly responding to what you said, just that what you said set me thinkin'.
We've got two new AD sinks introduced with the lastest mod in the form of the Cube of Augmentation and Dragon Empire Treasure. Whether or not you view them as cheap is another thing but they are repeatable purchases, up to a point. If the ZAX is any reflection then the desirability of AD has gone up at the moment. We'll see where the conversion rate goes, that'll dictate whether any changes are made to shift the trend.
It should be harder to get into endgame content and endgame gear than it currently is. That is the only thing about this thread that is useful, IMO.
Edit- Don't take this as an attack.. it is not meant that way. It is just strongly felt opinion.
I took your original post to suggest that people are getting things too easily, and in some cases they are.
This latest post talks about things being too hard to rank up, and in ALL cases they are.
The accomplishment needs to be in the acquisition of such items. Ranking them up should just happen by playing the game. (Insert some dude's post about it being his idea for XP to be applied to ranking up artifacts.. haha)
I agree that new players should have to work for stuff. I contend that people that already have should not have the carpet snatched from under them. That is all.
Gear will have basically no value at all. We can all get gear now!
So what WILL have value?
A) Items from lockboxes (requires zen)
b) Items from zen store (requies zen)
c) RP
RP is theoretically farmable, but since the drop rate is awful and it would take hundreds of hours of boredom to get enough of it, we will buy botted RP until it runs out. then C becomes
C) RP- which requires zen.
So basically everything will be cheap except things that involve zen! It's good business, but is it good for the game? How long until people (maybe new people say) quit because nothing is obtainable without paying? Or what if they already spent their 100-200$ and they don't matter anymore?
I haven't followed prices of most things, but economy is rapidly crashing. Pretty soon everyone will be broke - all is going according to plan.
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At least I had cheap RP to refine my artifact:)
New players can easily get their artifact belts...but they will never be able to refine their belts to legendary unless they open their wallet to pay couple times more than the last mod xd
As it is now, with the prices as they are, when an average players does either 1 or 2, that leaves them totally broke to do the other. Instead, what should happen is an economy where players don't feel like they have to dump all their AD into one thing.
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You're missing a point here. What chem said is, there's no way for a newcommer to make AD to catch up to old playerbase. Things farmable in the past are losing value rapidly and there's nothing more worth farming to make AD. Only solution is to buy Zen with $$ and either exchange it for AD or buy something from Zen store and sell it on the AH for AD.
You can transfer AD to buy Zen and that makes every Zen store item obtainable w/o paying, sure, but first of all, you have to make AD to do so. Right now, there's no way to make amounts of AD required to go to Zen store for shopping. Unless you spend next half a year creating Leadership farm, you won't be able to catch up if you're new to the game, unless you throw your money at Cryptic. THAT'S the point.
Prior to Module 5, people were complaining about how big the gap between new and old players was, and how new players had "no chance" to be competitive because they were so far behind.
Now people are complaining that gear is dropping to easily, the T1/T2 sets (which are over 20 months old) are easy to get, and that your average player now has a shot at getting an artifact drop.
I think things are better than ever. Things aren't totally ridiculous on the AH, and it gives your average player who generates wealth and gets their items through actually playing the game a chance to get geared up and play the newest content. The players who are losing out are those who considered themselves the "elite" who farmed dungeons to get very rare BOE drops to sell on the AH, or who could play 24/7 and grind dungeons for Artifact drops, or had enough wealth to win on the key lottery.
I think the game is more playable than ever, especially for people who are mostly F2P, and I applaud Cryptic for the direction they've been going.
This is a myth. It never was the case. Your "average" player wasn't speed running CN to sell the Ancient drops. They weren't making money selling lockbox stuff, or anything else the "elite" players were doing to make AD. That's why the prices were so high on stuff last year. It's silly to think that something the "average" player can do is going to generate the kind of AD you're talking about. It just doesn't make sense.
But again, this is the smokescreen the elites use because THEY could make money doing that. If you ever see someone on this forum lamenting how they can't farm CN anymore for lots of AD, they don't care about the average player. They just want to see a return to the days where only THEY could make lots of AD and sell otherwise unobtainable gear to the average. They're the ones who want to see a return to this by-gone era.
The whole "oooh, new players can't compete" is just a strawman constructed by people who want to return to the days where the top 1% were the only ones who had access to the "best" and sold it to the everyman for big profits.
A new player can't. Unless they throw gobs of $ into Z to sell for AD, which is all perfectly fine if they want to do that. Alts on the other hand should be able to do that easily, else they can grind for it all again. Which is the lesser of two evils for you personally?
Supply.
Demand.
How one affects the other is what makes the economy what it is.
Your example of artifact belts: the Devs intentionally increased the drop rate, supply grows, demand remains the same or drops, prices go down. Supply affects demand = lower prices. No intention of insulting anyone's intellect, but there are some here who may not fully understand this mechanic of how economies work. And though it's a really simplified explanation, it's spot-on with regard to the example given.
The economy is finally returning to where it was a year ago. When the ZAX reach 300- to 350:1 ratio then we'll have finally arrived.
If I had just bought my T2 loot, and skipped the experience of playing through T1 and T2 of release Neverwinter with my friends, jumping straight to the modern "daily grind", I wouldn't have liked this game at all...
The #1 feature of NW is the initial T1/T2 dungeon crawl experience. What is the newbie min/max play right now? Go get coffers from WoD. Sell coffers. Buy T2 loot. I am just trying to figure out what I would do if I was a newbie today.
No wonder more and more players are attracted to solo and semi-solo content.
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I don't consider a level 60 to be a "new player". If the OP is referring to "new 60" player: meh. So they can, but beyond that what difference does it make to you (general 'you') really? The fact remains: supply, demand, it makes the economy go 'round. The example of Artifact belts is the perfect example.
So my original comment is still relevant in a truthful, accurate way.
This will continue in each module.
Post is invalid.
And you're welcome for doing my part in bringing down the Zen market starting at 2:30AM PST Friday Morning.
Instead of a "L2P" post, learn the economics side of things and you'll be much happier.
in the end every fresh lvl 60 will have BiS stuff since it will be dirt cheap and drop in piles, and then they will just log on to invoke(only f2p way to get ad since items are worth nothing) and do daily quests(at best)
only thing ppl will spend AD on will be zen to buy zen RP, then there will be 100 bil zen backlog and then cryptic can shut down the servers
the problem is that either items are gated by insanely low RNG chance or they flood the market since the skill/time gating for content doesnt exist, every derp can run any content in 15min tops for as many times a day he has time
so they added stupid refinement system so everybody isnt BiS the day they hit lvl 60
make hard content that can be completed 1/day/account and reward BoE stuff at reasonable rates - that should solve most problems with gear overflow
As for artifact belts. They were stupidly rare for something that starts out as a piece of rubbish and requires a tonne of resources and effort to gear up. Had they came legendary as someone else already said or there was a feasible non costly way to level them up (ie from only xp) then something closer (though preferably a little more achievable) to mod 4 drop rates would be acceptable. Unfortunately it's highly player unfriendly and so the drop rates and values are pretty fair I'd say.
i got my t2 set without any zen/keys/whatever. then it just took a guild that can run the content, had a lot of fun then, it was challenging, we wiped, tried different ways to do stuff. now there isnt anything fun left, everything is just a chore, spend x min doing that daily, then x min doing that, then run HE at 0.2~1fps, dungeons are so easy that i can do them with any pug that provides cannon fodder, cw's can solo about everything