And I'm still amazed with the "you don't need legendary" argument. Yup... Go play Skyrim and sit at the city's entrance on guard duty the whole game, after all "you don't need to be the Dovahkiin"...
Really? 1000 +/- hit points makes or breaks the game for you?
It actually takes a lot of time or/and AD to level your equipment up to epic. Without paying real money, botting, buying AD from 3d party sites I mean.
But you don't NEED to get it there for it to be better than anything else is the game. But from what some people are posting here, you'd think they are totally useless until they're gold, which is simply not true. It's just a matter of "the best item" being "better".
Well that's only true for the belt imo. Having a purple artifact weapon is weak, you need a purple weapon set at least.
I always laugh at those blue weaponed, green belted newcomers with only one artifact. It's just fancy I guess.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited December 2014
A lot of weapon sets have a set bonus that is a stat increase to something the class is likely already deep into diminishing returns on (defense for GF, recovery for CW, etc.), whereas even the blue artifact weapon offers equivalent base damage and purple is higher. It is *not* weak, unless all you're looking at is the little drop in gear score.
Equipping even a green quality artifact off-hand will immediately make up for it as well, with a bigger set bonus.
The only weapon sets that offer something a bit different are the Black Ice ones, if you've been able to obtain them.
ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited December 2014
That's not true. Weapon Damage is your biggest contributor to overall damage, and the damage on Epic Artifacts exceeds that of any other in the game. And now when you pair it with an offhand (to get a set bonus), it's a no brainer.
And same with the belt. +1% or 2% to your primary attribute is a much bigger increase than anything another purple belt is going to give you, regardless of gem slots. And same with neck pieces. The AC for tanks or the +AP gain for DPS classes is pretty remarkable.
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It is *not* weak, unless all you're looking at is the little drop in gear score.
And this is the age old problem. People think a higher gearscore is always better. It's not.
A higher gearscore just means your total sum of stats is higher. It says nothing about the actual effectiveness of your character. It's also a reason why you have people performing subpar, even though they *think* the higher GS option is always better.
Even at Blue or Purple rank, the Artifact Equipment is pretty much BiS for everyone.
It takes 42k RP to get to Blue. 571k to Purple. Yes, it's a whopping 4.6 million to Legendary.
But you don't NEED to get it there for it to be better than anything else is the game. But from what some people are posting here, you'd think they are totally useless until they're gold, which is simply not true. It's just a matter of "the best item" being "better".
You failed to mention you get a "better" utility slot that won't give you that 300 power or 1200 hp. Yes, right. If you feel better losing 300 power or 1200 hp, then go tell the person in the mirror about it but I am afraid many players don't think so.
Artifact main and off hands are "better" with a moderate RP putting into them but you need to spend (or waste if something better come next module) 10 million AD to make them "better".
Yes, that is an annoyance but still not enough of one to get me to care about legendary artifact equipment.
Are you one of those who feel "better" using the less than "legendary" artifact belts and necks that give you lower stats and additional set bonus than cheap sets like the SoT set?
Are you one of those who feel "better" using the less than "legendary" artifact belts and necks that give you lower stats and additional set bonus than cheap sets like the SoT set?
I find it adequate for anything in-game.
On-topic: Considering all that's happened in past year in NW, economy looks positive.
On-topic: Considering all that's happened in past year in NW, economy looks positive.
Adequate? Artifact belts and necks are just not as good as many of the other counterpart pieces such as the SoT set if they are not at the legendary level.
Adequate? Artifact belts and necks are just not as good as many of the other counterpart pieces such as the SoT set if they are not at the legendary level.
Do I need them to complete anything? no. So yes they are adequate for anything in game.
You failed to mention you get a "better" utility slot that won't give you that 300 power or 1200 hp. Yes, right. If you feel better losing 300 power or 1200 hp, then go tell the person in the mirror about it but I am afraid many players don't think so.
Artifact main and off hands are "better" with a moderate RP putting into them but you need to spend (or waste if something better come next module) 10 million AD to make them "better".
Yes. If you understand the mechanics of the game, you'll know that in many cases, the abilities of the Artifact Equipment are better than 300 power or 1200 hp. Which, isn't actually a good comparison, either.
If someone is rich enough to be slotting R10's, getting their Artifact gear to Legendary ain't a problem. So in your example, it's probably more accurate to compare the loss of an R6 or R7.
Again, more hyperbole from you.
EDIT: A R10 Radiant enchantment is currently 2.6 to 3 million AD on the AH right now
Do I need them to complete anything? no. So yes they are adequate for anything in game.
So are the cheap T2 or T2 sets. Since we don't need legendary artifact and artifact gear to complete anything, they are a 200k set is enough for anyting in game. Let's not buy any expensive gear, particularly the artifact <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and don't refine them and let all the RP sellers go bankrupt.
So are the cheap T2 or T2 sets. Since we don't need legendary artifact and artifact gear to complete anything, they are a 200k set is enough for anyting in game. Let's not buy any expensive gear, particularly the artifact <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and don't refine them and let all the RP sellers go bankrupt.
You nailed it.
Im advocating a change in a players thought process. Pretty much get your t2 set, some major rings. And your ready to tackle anything this game has thrown out there in PVE. (so far)
Im advocating a change in a players thought process. Pretty much get your t2 set, some major rings. And your ready to tackle anything this game has thrown out there in PVE. (so far)
The "thought process" has actually become an implementation in the game already. When the artifact belt <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> was a fresh idea not many players paid any attention at their stats and cost of refinement but now everybody and his mom is getting it they realize they are really not novelty items but some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> far inferior to what they already have unless they are willing to (but realistically not financially capable of) waste more than 10 million AD per to make them legendary.
As it stands now, many players realized the only main and off hands are the only artifact equipment pieces worthy to get unless they have and are willing to spend 10 million AD per otherwise. And that brings to the point... what else are there to keep the players once when they get the Linu's favors to buy the off hand.
Are you one of those who feel "better" using the less than "legendary" artifact belts and necks that give you lower stats and additional set bonus than cheap sets like the SoT set?
No. I'm one of those that finds utility slots less interesting and after a point less useful than offense or defense slots.
I'm not a min/maxer so I don't care much about what's going to perhaps give me the best stats.
No. I'm one of those that finds utility slots less interesting and after a point less useful than offense or defence slots.
I'm not a min/maxer so I don't care much about what's going to perhaps give me the best stats.
It is not a matter whether you care about what's going to give you the best stats, it is, for a fact, you are better off with your cheap T2 necks and belts or jewelry set than the impractical artifact necks and belts if you don't have 10 million AD per to make them legendary.
It is not a matter whether you care about what's going to give you the best stats, it is, for a fact, you are better off with your cheap T2 necks and belts or jewelry set than the impractical artifact necks and belts if you don't have 10 million AD per to make them legendary.
I disagree, it's completely a matter of whether I care or not. Gaming is throw away entertainment for me, I'm playing how I want to. I've even gone oppressor with my CW .
I have an artifact belt for each of my 7 characters 'because I can'. I had one drop, they were fairly cheap on the AH and the 2xRP event(s) allowed them to be upgraded to epic with a 50% reduction in hassle. I don't plan on going near the artifact necklace or set bonus associated with it but that's mostly because the low drop rate means I'm unlikely to get one and I'm kind of over refining at this point. I will be sticking with my basic jewellery unless the new personalised stuff becomes more common and affordable.
I disagree, it's completely a matter of whether I care or not. Gaming is throw away entertainment for me, I'm playing how I want to. I've even gone oppressor with my CW .
I have an artifact belt for each of my 7 characters 'because I can'. I had one drop, they were fairly cheap on the AH and the 2xRP event(s) allowed them to be upgraded to epic with a 50% reduction in hassle. I don't plan on going near the artifact necklace or set bonus associated with it but that's mostly because the low drop rate means I'm unlikely to get one and I'm kind of over refining at this point. I will be sticking with my basic jewellery unless the new personalised stuff becomes more common and affordable.
Sure you can play the game whatever way you like. If you are happy to spend millions of AD to make an artifact belt "epic" and don't care about its actual inferior effect than a cheap 200k SoT jewelry set gives you, go ahead and be my guest. It is your AD or real money if you pay for it. Likewise, someone can also use green gear forever in the game and have fun with it if they are happy to play the game that way.
Yes. If you understand the mechanics of the game, you'll know that in many cases, the abilities of the Artifact Equipment are better than 300 power or 1200 hp. Which, isn't actually a good comparison, either.
If someone is rich enough to be slotting R10's, getting their Artifact gear to Legendary ain't a problem. So in your example, it's probably more accurate to compare the loss of an R6 or R7.
Again, more hyperbole from you.
EDIT: A R10 Radiant enchantment is currently 2.6 to 3 million AD on the AH right now
Not most of the players are doing. Artifact Black Ice Cloak, artifact whatever belt are quite common but the majority still stick to the GWF, DC and whatever artifact. Most players consider the artifact gear set bonus not good enough to make them swap out their 3 piece standard artifacts.
Also, even R5 gives 120 power cost 2k each. R6 gives 150 powers cost 28k each. Those are enough to offset the stat mixed stat increase you get from the results of millions of AD you sink into an less than legendary artifact belt or neck already. And don't make me tell you you lose an additional 150 power, 150 def and 150 movement from just a 200k SoT set.
Furthermore, even R10 at 3 million per is only less than 30% of what it takes to make a green belt or neck legendary.
I think it would be great if dungeons now dropped all types of refining stones i.e. Sapphires, Aquamarines, Rubies, and all types of resonance stones. It would make refining all the artifact gear easier.
There are "new players" getting artifact gear in a couple of days? I'm new and I've been playing a lot for the past couple of months now. I still haven't gotten more than just the one artifact you get from the level 20 quest on any of my 4 characters. Although, actually, I did finally get a second one on my main cleric. Just another of the ones from the intro quest that I didn't have but it was really cool and it came from such an unexpected place: the chest at the end of Master of the Hunt during the skirmish event. I guess they have a really low drop rate practically anywhere?
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There are "new players" getting artifact gear in a couple of days? I'm new and I've been playing a lot for the past couple of months now. I still haven't gotten more than just the one artifact you get from the level 20 quest on any of my 4 characters. Although, actually, I did finally get a second one on my main cleric. Just another of the ones from the intro quest that I didn't have but it was really cool and it came from such an unexpected place: the chest at the end of Master of the Hunt during the skirmish event. I guess they have a really low drop rate practically anywhere?
Skirmishes have a small chance, and the arcane coffer at the end of the Dread Ring lairs can give you an artifact, (tiny chance, must have the highest tier gauntlet or a starmetal gauntlet).
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ambisinisterrMember, Neverwinter ModeratorPosts: 10,462Community Moderator
edited December 2014
You may be seeing class artifacts which can be claimed on every character owned by the account once unlocked. They are not "new players" but "new characters."
Once you get two characters eligible to go to Icewind Dale you will be able to obtain your own class artifacts.
I thought AH prices going down was a good thing for new players..?
Not really. New players are more inclined to sell whatever <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> they get to sell to pony up for some better stuff. Gear is cheap, that's about the only good thing for them but mounts, companions, bags, bank spaces etc remain unchanged in prices. That means, they are further away from getting their first mount, first purple pets, etc. The most problematic issue for the newbies are the RP prices plus the fact they can't sell the dragon hoard and fey blessing drops now. That's less income + exceptionally high refinement expenses.
The same problems actually apply to veteran players too but they are more geared and tooled to get more AD in game, but still, they are much worse in economic shape unless they are the bots and RP farmers who have years of stock of RP items.
I played with friends and no bootstrap. bootstrap being defined as purposely playing with people more uber than you which can substantially impact your impression of difficultly, and I can remember clearly how multiple of my friends and I got half million AD boots in FH which was our first big score and ticket to uber. The point being getting rich off drops wasn't even that exclusive a way to play, it just required some social organization and MMO sense.
I thought I had said everything I wanted to say about this, but I didn't realize how badly the t2 changes effected me until I finished my offhand. I thought the t2 changes would only impact new players. That I wouldn't care, but I didn't realize how t2 influenced me.... until I finished the Tiamat offhand and looked to return to old patterns. I suspect most people haven't even come to terms with it yet.
It used to be I would queue a t2 when I wanted to gamble on a score. That was the appeal, and now that I have some in game free time again. I thought time to do some dungeon delves again. Now with t2 gear from tiamat. Man.... I can't figure out what a PvE does when they are bored of tiamat and the daily grind. I am baffled. Like confused. The part that confuses me is it is not that the dev staff didn't have the resources to make more game. It is that they gutted a motivating reason to utilize the game they already had without replacing it with more game. t2 is a glorified foundry mission as far as rewards nowadays.
Confused... Is there a big t3 announcement coming?
I am salvaging most of the T2 drops I'm getting as many are below salvage value now. I remember working very hard to get T2 pieces. I guess this is one way for new players to catch up for Tiamat.
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Really? 1000 +/- hit points makes or breaks the game for you?
So? Getting the best in slot should take time.
I always laugh at those blue weaponed, green belted newcomers with only one artifact. It's just fancy I guess.
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Equipping even a green quality artifact off-hand will immediately make up for it as well, with a bigger set bonus.
The only weapon sets that offer something a bit different are the Black Ice ones, if you've been able to obtain them.
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And same with the belt. +1% or 2% to your primary attribute is a much bigger increase than anything another purple belt is going to give you, regardless of gem slots. And same with neck pieces. The AC for tanks or the +AP gain for DPS classes is pretty remarkable.
And this is the age old problem. People think a higher gearscore is always better. It's not.
A higher gearscore just means your total sum of stats is higher. It says nothing about the actual effectiveness of your character. It's also a reason why you have people performing subpar, even though they *think* the higher GS option is always better.
You failed to mention you get a "better" utility slot that won't give you that 300 power or 1200 hp. Yes, right. If you feel better losing 300 power or 1200 hp, then go tell the person in the mirror about it but I am afraid many players don't think so.
Artifact main and off hands are "better" with a moderate RP putting into them but you need to spend (or waste if something better come next module) 10 million AD to make them "better".
Yes, that is an annoyance but still not enough of one to get me to care about legendary artifact equipment.
Are you one of those who feel "better" using the less than "legendary" artifact belts and necks that give you lower stats and additional set bonus than cheap sets like the SoT set?
I find it adequate for anything in-game.
On-topic: Considering all that's happened in past year in NW, economy looks positive.
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Adequate? Artifact belts and necks are just not as good as many of the other counterpart pieces such as the SoT set if they are not at the legendary level.
Do I need them to complete anything? no. So yes they are adequate for anything in game.
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Yes. If you understand the mechanics of the game, you'll know that in many cases, the abilities of the Artifact Equipment are better than 300 power or 1200 hp. Which, isn't actually a good comparison, either.
If someone is rich enough to be slotting R10's, getting their Artifact gear to Legendary ain't a problem. So in your example, it's probably more accurate to compare the loss of an R6 or R7.
Again, more hyperbole from you.
EDIT: A R10 Radiant enchantment is currently 2.6 to 3 million AD on the AH right now
So are the cheap T2 or T2 sets. Since we don't need legendary artifact and artifact gear to complete anything, they are a 200k set is enough for anyting in game. Let's not buy any expensive gear, particularly the artifact <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and don't refine them and let all the RP sellers go bankrupt.
Im advocating a change in a players thought process. Pretty much get your t2 set, some major rings. And your ready to tackle anything this game has thrown out there in PVE. (so far)
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Do not go gentle into that good night.
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The "thought process" has actually become an implementation in the game already. When the artifact belt <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> was a fresh idea not many players paid any attention at their stats and cost of refinement but now everybody and his mom is getting it they realize they are really not novelty items but some <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> far inferior to what they already have unless they are willing to (but realistically not financially capable of) waste more than 10 million AD per to make them legendary.
As it stands now, many players realized the only main and off hands are the only artifact equipment pieces worthy to get unless they have and are willing to spend 10 million AD per otherwise. And that brings to the point... what else are there to keep the players once when they get the Linu's favors to buy the off hand.
No. I'm one of those that finds utility slots less interesting and after a point less useful than offense or defense slots.
I'm not a min/maxer so I don't care much about what's going to perhaps give me the best stats.
It is not a matter whether you care about what's going to give you the best stats, it is, for a fact, you are better off with your cheap T2 necks and belts or jewelry set than the impractical artifact necks and belts if you don't have 10 million AD per to make them legendary.
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Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
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I disagree, it's completely a matter of whether I care or not. Gaming is throw away entertainment for me, I'm playing how I want to. I've even gone oppressor with my CW
I have an artifact belt for each of my 7 characters 'because I can'. I had one drop, they were fairly cheap on the AH and the 2xRP event(s) allowed them to be upgraded to epic with a 50% reduction in hassle. I don't plan on going near the artifact necklace or set bonus associated with it but that's mostly because the low drop rate means I'm unlikely to get one and I'm kind of over refining at this point. I will be sticking with my basic jewellery unless the new personalised stuff becomes more common and affordable.
Sure you can play the game whatever way you like. If you are happy to spend millions of AD to make an artifact belt "epic" and don't care about its actual inferior effect than a cheap 200k SoT jewelry set gives you, go ahead and be my guest. It is your AD or real money if you pay for it. Likewise, someone can also use green gear forever in the game and have fun with it if they are happy to play the game that way.
Not most of the players are doing. Artifact Black Ice Cloak, artifact whatever belt are quite common but the majority still stick to the GWF, DC and whatever artifact. Most players consider the artifact gear set bonus not good enough to make them swap out their 3 piece standard artifacts.
Also, even R5 gives 120 power cost 2k each. R6 gives 150 powers cost 28k each. Those are enough to offset the stat mixed stat increase you get from the results of millions of AD you sink into an less than legendary artifact belt or neck already. And don't make me tell you you lose an additional 150 power, 150 def and 150 movement from just a 200k SoT set.
Furthermore, even R10 at 3 million per is only less than 30% of what it takes to make a green belt or neck legendary.
Skirmishes have a small chance, and the arcane coffer at the end of the Dread Ring lairs can give you an artifact, (tiny chance, must have the highest tier gauntlet or a starmetal gauntlet).
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Once you get two characters eligible to go to Icewind Dale you will be able to obtain your own class artifacts.
However this is all getting very much off topic.
Not really. New players are more inclined to sell whatever <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> they get to sell to pony up for some better stuff. Gear is cheap, that's about the only good thing for them but mounts, companions, bags, bank spaces etc remain unchanged in prices. That means, they are further away from getting their first mount, first purple pets, etc. The most problematic issue for the newbies are the RP prices plus the fact they can't sell the dragon hoard and fey blessing drops now. That's less income + exceptionally high refinement expenses.
The same problems actually apply to veteran players too but they are more geared and tooled to get more AD in game, but still, they are much worse in economic shape unless they are the bots and RP farmers who have years of stock of RP items.
Where is that now?
It used to be I would queue a t2 when I wanted to gamble on a score. That was the appeal, and now that I have some in game free time again. I thought time to do some dungeon delves again. Now with t2 gear from tiamat. Man.... I can't figure out what a PvE does when they are bored of tiamat and the daily grind. I am baffled. Like confused. The part that confuses me is it is not that the dev staff didn't have the resources to make more game. It is that they gutted a motivating reason to utilize the game they already had without replacing it with more game. t2 is a glorified foundry mission as far as rewards nowadays.
Confused... Is there a big t3 announcement coming?