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burkaanc
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its clear that either our advocate doesnt do *** or devs ignore GWF
No issues were fixed with mod5, we need a different advocate, all we got is some useless changes to instigator and silence from Devs
Is there any objective reason to play GWF in mod5 ?
No issues were fixed with mod5, we need a different advocate, all we got is some useless changes to instigator and silence from Devs
Is there any objective reason to play GWF in mod5 ?
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He should be life-sentenced to play gwf class only. No SW alt, no HR alt, no DC alt, nothing. Only gwfs. And having to actually play it. Actually trying to get into dungeon groups, actually trying to skirmish the shores, actually trying to pvp. six hours a day 24/7
I can see why people are easily mistaken, but this thread actual means you are not understanding the concept of advocates. That's why I thought the whole thing was a bad one to start with. Because both the advocate and the community expect him to influence the direction of the class. Threads like this are already overstepping boundaries in my eyes, it's only a secretary job.
So it's also completely irrelevant that the GWF one kept silent.
The class advocate passively collects feedback, not actively.
His job doesn't entitle him to reveal himself to the public, right. But he should have. Especially since basically no changes were made to GWF.
Now look through the feedback from GWFs. Most of them angry, non-constructive threads popping up because we're being ignored by the devs and our advocate being silent like a rock doesn't help it either. If the GWF advocate revealed himself and asked for our feedback then everything would have went smoothly.
Now instead he made so much more work for himself by having to dig through all the trash posts. Not to mention the GWF community is annoyed for not knowing if our feedback even reaches someone or not.
As a side note, look how quickly Devs reacted to CW cries when they received a brief nerf! Putting one class above others and not explaining as to why is more or less enraging.
If I was an advocate, I really wouldn't know whether or not I'd reveal to the public, because I don't want to get spammed by PMs saying "Oh my, I just got roflstomped by a HR and nobody is taking me to DD anymore, ****ing DO SOMETHING FOR OUR CLASS!"
You think that's not happening, you can bet it is! Because players don't get the idea behind the advocate system.
Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. Nothing has changed for GWFs and it's the advocates fault? Hell no!
No lobbyist. Secretary. He does not have any more power in terms of balancing than my toe nails.
Nothing prevents one from making a new forum account for public relations like that, now does it? And if devs ignore GWFs AND our GWF advocate ignores us too then what do you expect us to do? To sit quetly and endure the beating? Doesn't work that way.
The Advocate has and should have no greater facility for their opinion to impact upon the decision-making of the Developers than anyone else.
I use my thread as a means of trying to make it easier for myself in providing one place where my fellow GF players can provide their feedback. There are a lot of threads that an Advocate must trawl through to ensure they find as much feedback as has been provided and having it spread all over the place really does make it difficult to ensure all feedback has been collected (as i found out this week
I can understand the difficulty you might be experiencing with not knowing if all the feedback has been submitted and in a form in which it was intended as there seems to be a lack of transparency with which the community can cross-check. I'm glad i post publicly what i submit to the development team as the community helps to ensure I haven't accidentally made a mistake and overlooked something, particularly as i view all GF feedback is important.
This isn't by any means a requirement of being an Advocate and it is a personal choice and one that doesn't really make too much of a difference.
I initially considered whether to take public responsibility for the role and it was close. For me, i take pride in my class and it is important to me that i do my best for it and that meant standing up, taking whatever criticism came my way and doing what i could.
I can't ascribe that personal choice to anyone else and i don't think it appropriate for others to either. The GWF thread can get pretty 'heated' and, if i didn't want people abusing me, i'd consider not revealing myself as the advocate either.
Surprisingly though, I'm extremely lucky to have some really, really, awesome players that are my GF buddies and we all seem to genuinely care about our class and are prepared and able to work together to try and make our class better. Due to that, I've received a lot less public and private criticism of my role and 'responsibility' for the class than i initially expected and it's certainly made my job a lot more enjoyable.
Don't get me wrong, the role does require a fair bit of work and, considering GFs got left out of it this Mod, i'm sure my workload has been significantly less than other classes! If i'd had to do the same work as other Advocates and try to publicly communicate with my class, i'm not sure i'd be able to find the time!
Regardless of all this though, the time of us Advocates is drawing to a close and, as a class, you'll have the opportunity to have someone new working for you. Perhaps you should be thankful for what you do have now and hope you don't get a worse Advocate for the next one!
And thanks for the positive feedback on my efforts guys. I appreciate it!
It's clear you don't have a clue what the Advocate system was about or how it worked. The Advocate was a *secretary* whose only job what to take what you say in the forums and wipe away the 90% garbage-mouth to make it more readable in a summary format. Nothing more, nothing less.
They had zero influence on anything that happens to, or for the class they advocate for.
Nothing wrong with crying and whining about anything, but at least know that what you complain about is actually something you should be complaining about.
Either way, your complaint is moot - now that Mod 5 is released, a new Advocate will be chosen to become the new secretary of rants and the extremely rare rave.
No, but the class advocate is not the person to turn your anger towards.
Start treat them differently already. PWE and the advocate are not the same institution. Devs ignoring you = bad. Advocate ignoring you = whatever. I get this whole advocate system is bound to be misleading and I wasn't a great fan of it from the start.
it is simple - there were a ton of feedback given about GWF issues(though thanks to a certain mod the GWF feedback thread is here http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?160621-The-Can-%28Unproductive-Posts%29&p=9463521#post9463521 , hopefully akro dealt with the situation)
so if there is some big issues with a class, and there is a ton of feedback given the fault is either at advocate or dev side
doubt ppl would blame advocate if he said what he did(that is if he did actually do something) and devs just ignored him/her, but the result is that GWF sucks *** for mod5, just like it was whole mod4(if you dont count the stupid intimidation "fix")
Regarding the first sentence in my original comment I rest my case.
Either way, your thread is too late: Mod 5 is released, existing class advocates are now vacated from their "positions".
What exactly is wrong with GWF's? GWF's are killin it in PvP & PvE. 18k+ damage from an attack that doesn't physically touch me lol(Come and Get It).
I think it is especially funny that the sum total Mod 5 changes for GF are capping KV, but apparently having an advocate who does all their work in public totally equals getting more attention from the devs.
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Yeah... You mention one feat and it's supposed to cover all the holes in GWF gameplay? Let me give you a brief summary of what is wrong with GWF:
Instigator - needs to take hits but has the worst survivability of the 3 specs...
Destroyer - poor survivability, poor burst,, needs to keep a billion of stacks to deal damage which expire within moments...
Sentinel - 0 damage from other sources excluding intimidation, a rather poor survivability for a secondary off-tank, intimidation having no cap for base damage (making lowbies hit far too low with intimidation and making BiS players able to 1 shot everything), poor threat generation...
GWF as a whole: useless at-wills (sure strike hitting for less than my lvl 40 GF. reaping strike? threatening rush with 9s cooldown? bugged wicked strike?),no prone encounters (and stun gets deflected), nerfed unstoppable, unresponsive sprint, poor base damage, no utility skills. And etc etc.
how about
GWF being squishy melee class without any immunity frames(its easy to get hit by random dungeon trash for 10~15k through that pathetic leftover of Unstoppable and having 20k~25k hp that hurts, not even talking about 1shots through unstoppable)
Low damage without stacks and mediocre damage with stacks if u dont believe run with a good SW, ull see how low GWF damage is(i havent compared Intimidate damage, that is higher, but i feel it as a borderline exploit that shouldnt work as it is)
Stupid stacks system most GWF players hate, stacks about double GWF damage, that shows how pathetic the base damage is. ive hit 7k IBS on random solo content mobs, i have 10k power and legendary weapon(and enough arp) by the time GWF builds up the stacks mobs are dead, and its really annoying in solo content that you do no damage til u build up those stacks
Unstoppable is made the way that GWF should run with as few HP as he can get by, making anything more tanky than a glass cannon lose a lot of unstoppable uptime, making tank builds useless in pve
Instigator still useless even after those halfarsed changes
no good mark options for swordmaster DPS
Wicked strike still rubberbands
sprint is so unresponsive that it feels like you are using mail pigeons for an internet connection
+1. Good riddance.
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