Magipurrs, Magipurrs, Magipurrs... still crying, as always. People can check your post history, btw. [rofl]
Buff CW, nerf all other classes because you want to stand your ground against everything. That's your post history summed up.
Can you show me in a quote what I was crying about please?
Well first of all I did not have any intetion to make some point of another. Especially on leaderboard that is before mod 5 release with changes. Yet it is a fact no matter how you try to deny it - different people made another result in leaderboard with same game in same mod.
So what is your intention of bringing them up then if you aren't going to discuss the class rankings on the leaderboard? Just got bored and decided to post the Russian leaderboard then? Cool.
Also calling them skillless fails since " you cannot make that assumption unless we've had several cross-server matches between multiple teams. "
Good job on catching the ironic statement. I specifically made that false stupid assumption to make a point that your other assumptions are stupid as well.
Now at least we both agree making assumptions based on that data alone is stupid.
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I assume you are trying to make a point that their players are somehow more skilled than the top end players here? If you are then I'd say you cannot make that assumption unless we've had several cross-server matches between multiple teams.
I have seen plenty of Russian teams in action in pvp (not in NW mind you) and it's not pretty for the ones facing them let me tell you. They seem to live and breathe pvp so it goes without saying that they would be pretty darn good at it. I would wager that they would wipe the floor with the best Dragon has to offer. I would even pay good money to see it :cool:
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IMO the OPness of the HR come from the healing, I see the HRs healing back in 5-10 seconds, it's like WTF... while my GF is healing 1K... 3 seconds... 1K... etc... HRs heal like 3 times faster and because all the mobility and dodges they have you can't do a **** about this, the only way to counter a good HR as a GF (in my case) is gain enough AP until I have enough to make Crsescendo on them, then: ITF -> Crescendo -> AoD, now, if they heal back after they revive because of soulforged you are doomed.
This back and forth HR vs CW bickering really getting old, just as in the past CW vs GWF got old and so on.
It is interesting to notice that these things are an issue solely in the forums. When PvP people discuss class balance in PMvsPM or w/e, there is usually very fast consensus about what is OP and what is not and what should be modified.
I will leave you with a few examples of what people usually agree upon.
- HR is OP because of self-healing and DoT/piercing damage to the point where it makes all other classes irrelevant 1vs1
- CWs are OP in teamplay and a nightmare once you get CCed, as you will get burned real fast if their team is well coordinated. They are however universally recognized as priority targets and most of the time cannot hold their own when they find themselves in 1vs1 situations. It is to easy to hold down RoF and win, hence most PvPers would like to see the return of Shard as a mean to differentiate CWs based on skill
- Intimidation is OP, GWF overall, however, is not. It's a gimmick build few like and few GWF are able to play it because of gear and skill requirements. Still nobody likes one-shots so most people want it gone
- TR class is in such a bad place there are less than 5 players able to play it properly in PvP. Their node contesting and trolling capabilities are however OP and a good TR is probably the most important asset in a premade.
- SWs, while capable DPSers and node clearers, are in a very bad place overall and considered a weak class that would probably lose you the game if close.
Again, the hot debates on class balance are a thing of the forums for some reason, with many people obviously interested solely in defending/buffing their own turf. When people discuss this openly in a larger group, few have the audacity to make the claims you see on these forums, and the ones that do are getting laughed at mercilessly.
I think you actually got to the point here. Thing is that on Russian server I see way too more premades and team play. It is really easy to see in some vid on youtube. Most of people there play as a team. This give CW as example that chance to 1 rotation kill all or HR to survive that CW burst. 100% agree with you on SW point. 1 vs 1 against CW - no change. Unless CW is really low GS. Id say CW now in point where they can control and kill everything very good. But if they don't then they can be killed instead. This is really why most CW I think complain against HR or GF.
I have seen plenty of Russian teams in action in pvp (not in NW mind you) and it's not pretty for the ones facing them let me tell you. They seem to live and breathe pvp so it goes without saying that they would be pretty darn good at it. I would wager that they would wipe the floor with the best Dragon has to offer. I would even pay good money to see it :cool:
Well it is hard for OP people here not to cry and play word game on how CW are bad. Look at the dude above - he is even using phrases like " I specifically made that false stupid assumption to make a point " - well you don't use stupid false assumption to make a point. Just bad troll. Yet there is a significant difference in how majority of people play on both servers. I play here in premades and some team are really good teams. Yet I play in pug too and even if you have a good team - it is mostly cause 2 players are good and know what they are doing. Rather different on ru server. PvP is a culture there. I have many friend that play this games only for pvp. Don't know current state around NW there but spirit looks same) Here we have really skillful people too - like both sandstorms as HRs or godmod GF for example. Dam that guy wiped my HR on his shield so good lol. Yet I learned some stuff about GF from him too. Id really want to see good team from here vs good teams from there.
IMO the OPness of the HR come from the healing, I see the HRs healing back in 5-10 seconds, it's like WTF... while my GF is healing 1K... 3 seconds... 1K... etc... HRs heal like 3 times faster and because all the mobility and dodges they have you can't do a **** about this, the only way to counter a good HR as a GF (in my case) is gain enough AP until I have enough to make Crsescendo on them, then: ITF -> Crescendo -> AoD, now, if they heal back after they revive because of soulforged you are doomed.
This is not really the topic of conversation here but Ill just say that unfortunately this is what HR have to survive. Not the mechanic I like personally. Other classes have other good survival technic or ways to one shot even HR. Yet you can not imagine how it is easier to have normal shift on even DC rather that need to use 2 HRs small shifts. TR new shift is really nice. I hope they just made it faster animation at the end than it is now on live.
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i really like how you guys say "well that guy it's good, that guy is great" when the thing you actually say it's "oh that guy it's playin a good broken class, that guys is great as the OP class" ...
it;s to early to determine and say that we are skillful. everyone is skillful while one shoting others, right? pff
until they balance classes out this game won't have SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL players.
and sayin they breathe PVP, come on we are talkin about RUSSIANS , not universal soldiers, they play the same as other internation player... who knows if they have any russian players that lurks on our forums to get out buggy builds etc.
BTW: who cares about shifting 10 meters or 5 meters at least you dont take damage.
the demien i never seen a guy who protects his class so much.. dont worry if you will ever play in mod5, i hope all TRs will make fun of you, i will even stalk your comments to see how you will QQ abouts TRs.
i really like how you guys say "well that guy it's good, that guy is great" when the thing you actually say it's "oh that guy it's playin a good broken class, that guys is great as the OP class" ...
lulz so true.
in pvp, players don't defeat you, but rather procs and DoTs.
thats why there's no such thing as TOP HR/CW/GWF etc.etc.
I have seen plenty of Russian teams in action in pvp (not in NW mind you) and it's not pretty for the ones facing them let me tell you. They seem to live and breathe pvp so it goes without saying that they would be pretty darn good at it. I would wager that they would wipe the floor with the best Dragon has to offer. I would even pay good money to see it :cool:
Do you have specific links? I'm not familiar with the language so I am unable to comprehensively scour all the matches. From the ones I saw though, my assumption is Chocolate Shoppe would win 1000-100 against any guild from Russia. The players I saw were pretty awful.
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Can you show me in a quote what I was crying about please?
So what is your intention of bringing them up then if you aren't going to discuss the class rankings on the leaderboard? Just got bored and decided to post the Russian leaderboard then? Cool.
Good job on catching the ironic statement. I specifically made that false stupid assumption to make a point that your other assumptions are stupid as well.
Now at least we both agree making assumptions based on that data alone is stupid.
I have seen plenty of Russian teams in action in pvp (not in NW mind you) and it's not pretty for the ones facing them let me tell you. They seem to live and breathe pvp so it goes without saying that they would be pretty darn good at it. I would wager that they would wipe the floor with the best Dragon has to offer. I would even pay good money to see it :cool:
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I think you actually got to the point here. Thing is that on Russian server I see way too more premades and team play. It is really easy to see in some vid on youtube. Most of people there play as a team. This give CW as example that chance to 1 rotation kill all or HR to survive that CW burst. 100% agree with you on SW point. 1 vs 1 against CW - no change. Unless CW is really low GS. Id say CW now in point where they can control and kill everything very good. But if they don't then they can be killed instead. This is really why most CW I think complain against HR or GF.
Well it is hard for OP people here not to cry and play word game on how CW are bad. Look at the dude above - he is even using phrases like " I specifically made that false stupid assumption to make a point " - well you don't use stupid false assumption to make a point. Just bad troll. Yet there is a significant difference in how majority of people play on both servers. I play here in premades and some team are really good teams. Yet I play in pug too and even if you have a good team - it is mostly cause 2 players are good and know what they are doing. Rather different on ru server. PvP is a culture there. I have many friend that play this games only for pvp. Don't know current state around NW there but spirit looks same) Here we have really skillful people too - like both sandstorms as HRs or godmod GF for example. Dam that guy wiped my HR on his shield so good lol. Yet I learned some stuff about GF from him too. Id really want to see good team from here vs good teams from there.
This is not really the topic of conversation here but Ill just say that unfortunately this is what HR have to survive. Not the mechanic I like personally. Other classes have other good survival technic or ways to one shot even HR. Yet you can not imagine how it is easier to have normal shift on even DC rather that need to use 2 HRs small shifts. TR new shift is really nice. I hope they just made it faster animation at the end than it is now on live.
it;s to early to determine and say that we are skillful. everyone is skillful while one shoting others, right? pff
until they balance classes out this game won't have SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL SKILL players.
and sayin they breathe PVP, come on we are talkin about RUSSIANS , not universal soldiers, they play the same as other internation player... who knows if they have any russian players that lurks on our forums to get out buggy builds etc.
BTW: who cares about shifting 10 meters or 5 meters at least you dont take damage.
the demien i never seen a guy who protects his class so much.. dont worry if you will ever play in mod5, i hope all TRs will make fun of you, i will even stalk your comments to see how you will QQ abouts TRs.
lulz so true.
in pvp, players don't defeat you, but rather procs and DoTs.
thats why there's no such thing as TOP HR/CW/GWF etc.etc.
Do you have specific links? I'm not familiar with the language so I am unable to comprehensively scour all the matches. From the ones I saw though, my assumption is Chocolate Shoppe would win 1000-100 against any guild from Russia. The players I saw were pretty awful.
New PVP situation on Russian server.(11.29.2014)
I think TR in second tree(scoundrel) is OP. They have CC, Steals, Damage, Mobility and CC break.
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Ahahaha i know that youtube guy