How do CWs get to GS of 16k+?

pointsman · September 2014

So with the 2xRP weekend I managed to get all my enchants to at least Rank 8, and one to Rank 9. I have 3 purple artifacts, one of which is Level 91, and a purple Artifact Weapon at rank 35. And my GS is just barely above 16k. And I see CW's here posting their GS's at 18k-19k! How can this be done? Even if I had Rank 10's, they would only add about 500 to my GS; I have the Minor Grand neck and rings, but even if I had the Ancient jewelry, again that would only raise my GS by about 150. I don't see how it's possible to go another 3000 GS higher. Any tips? I don't want to pad GS just for the sake of padding GS, but I also don't want to overlook an important way to improve my character. Is it all about the Artifact Belt?

inthere23 · September 2014

Companions can also raise your GS

hfgtfsdfs · September 2014

inthere23 wrote: »

Companions can also raise your GS

No they cant?

aulduron · September 2014

I'm 17K and have no stat giving companions, no purple artifact weapon and no artifact belt. I have full boons expect for the last two in ToD, full HV with one armor kit, R8s and 9s, 3 purple artifacts, Grand and Ancient jewelry, slotted gemmed clothes and 2/2 set bonus on MH/OH.

wixxgs1cht · September 2014

hfgtfsdfs wrote: »

No they cant?

Wrong .

valencay · September 2014

So i did some math based on my cw. I'm full rank 7 with 2/2 MC&VT 64 dc arti, 63 waters, 60 cw arti. level 35 artifact weapon, no belt and no 4th ToD boon. If I assume rank 10's lv 100 artifacts and artifact belt+4th boon i get 20650 gs (up from 17100 i now have)
you can also switch one of the class artifact for the heart of the red dragon for additional 450 gs

crixus8000 · September 2014

Companions, boons, better gear, reinforcement kits, higher enchants and legendary artifacs, plus the black ice gear is popular and gives highest stats = highest gs out of all sets atm.

The companions that give stat bonuses like 100 power is an instant 100 gs. Some artifacts also give more gs than others depending on the stats. If one artifact gives say power, crit and armor pen and another gives power, crit and stamina gain then the first one will give more gs because stats like stamina gain don't contribute to gs.

Atm all classes can reach 20k gs if maxed out and gwf class gets a little more gs than others so they can reach 20-23k around

crazymikee · September 2014

boons boons boons

truelokaster · September 2014

hfgtfsdfs wrote: »

No they cant?

Companions stat bonuses can add/increase your gear score, the augmentation bonuses from companions do not.

letojarred1 · September 2014

saw some cw with 12k power! :eek: and a well balanced stat.
I bet he hits like a whale in PVE.

jayrad8 · September 2014

Prestidigitation, if you don't use it already, should give you around 480 gs more if you are at 16k.

Boons is a big factor, both in how many you have and which ones you take -- taking the 700 hp in the Sharandar line, 250 recovery in the IWD line, or 250 arp in Dread Ring will increase your gs while the other option at those tiers will not.

Enchants is another factor -- you will get another offense slot at the legendary weapon level (+300 gs if r10) and could upgrade 8 of your r8s to r10 (+640 gs) and your 1 r9 to r10 (+40 gs). Additionally, if you use enchants like brutal, cruel, savage, etc. those give 330 gs at r10 instead of 300.

Artifacts are probably the biggest factor in my opinion, legendary artifacts get a +50 bonus to each stat when upgraded from level 99, so that's a guaranteed 300 gs increase alone. Depending on the artifact, if you use one where the third stat is a utility bonus (inc healing, stamina/ap gain, etc.) it is not increasing your gs like a raw stat would.

From the information given, you could get a bare minimum of 1280 more gs by upgrading your enchants/artifacts and artifact weapon. Using an artifact belt would be a big boost too, mainly at legendary.

sprawlfx · September 2014

hfgtfsdfs wrote: »

No they cant?

They absolutely can and do.. Kind of surprised to see you say that. Augments only increase it by a small handful of points, but others that have stat bonuses raise it right on up, as others have said.

pointsman · September 2014

Well there is no way that I will ever be able to get R10's or get my artifacts to legendary. I'll be lucky if I can get them all to rank 90 like my one artifact is. My second-highest one is currently at level 71. And I'll probably never see an artifact belt either. I'll keep working on my artifact weapon I guess, even though it's the Magic Missile one and not the Chilling Cloud one. (Can't seem to get a gem to drop again to try a third time.)

Oh well.

asterotg · September 2014

pointsman wrote: »

Well there is no way that I will ever be able to get R10's or get my artifacts to legendary. I'll be lucky if I can get them all to rank 90 like my one artifact is. My second-highest one is currently at level 71. And I'll probably never see an artifact belt either. I'll keep working on my artifact weapon I guess, even though it's the Magic Missile one and not the Chilling Cloud one. (Can't seem to get a gem to drop again to try a third time.)

Oh well.

Just do Dread ring dailies, some PvP and the last two dragons. With some luck (dragons and DR) or some grind you will get Union artefacts (dragons and DR) or power (PvP). Upgrade them and use them to upgrade your artefacts. With some more PvP you can even unlock Union/stability artefaxts to upgrade your existing ones.

I used them to push 6 artefacts to lvl 99 on the refinement weekend.

pointsman · September 2014

asterotg wrote: »

Just do Dread ring dailies, some PvP and the last two dragons. With some luck (dragons and DR) or some grind you will get Union artefacts (dragons and DR) or power (PvP). Upgrade them and use them to upgrade your artefacts. With some more PvP you can even unlock Union/stability artefaxts to upgrade your existing ones.

I used them to push 6 artefacts to lvl 99 on the refinement weekend.

Oh I have the Eye of Lathanader artifact and I leveled it up to 60. That is one of my three artifacts that I am using. (It is very handy in the Epic Tuern skirmish. When I pug that skirmish, I find I have to use it at least once per run.) I had a Skull artifact and that was what I used to push my GWF artifact up to level 91. My third artifact is Lantern, and that is at level 71. But I am not at all interested in PVPing with this character, I only got the Skull artifact by farming GG dungeons, and I did most of that maybe 2 months ago when I had more time to spend. I may do more of that but I don't have a lot of time to spend anymore, I only get to play maybe 1 or 2 hours per day.

And I did farm the Rothe/WC dragons when Mod 4 first came out, I did it for several days. After all of the great successes but no belt I gave up trying to get the belt that way. Now I'm trying to do it via the skirmish when I have time. I'm not going to go back to Lostmauth until they fix the chest bug, I don't want to spend a fortune on Zen keys to get stuff from the Zen chest that I don't really want.

chemboy613 · September 2014

valencay wrote: »

So i did some math based on my cw. I'm full rank 7 with 2/2 MC&VT 64 dc arti, 63 waters, 60 cw arti. level 35 artifact weapon, no belt and no 4th ToD boon. If I assume rank 10's lv 100 artifacts and artifact belt+4th boon i get 20650 gs (up from 17100 i now have)
you can also switch one of the class artifact for the heart of the red dragon for additional 450 gs

2+2 MC + VT = fail dude. They simply aren't any good that way.

chemboy613 · September 2014

In case you are wondering here's me right now:

http://gateway.playneverwinter.com/#char(Makaria%20Fiendline@chemboy613)/charactersheet

18.1k

I have too much crit, just got artifact weapon, so i haven't re-balanced yet.

smulch · September 2014

A lot of those CWs are bad players padding a lot of useless stats.

You'll often see those guys in 2 2/4 sets or using the set that gives the highest GS possible (generally corrupted black ice).
They also use all kind of garbage artifacts, notably artifacts that gives regen, defense or deflection, as long as it gives 3 stats that increases GS.
They use companions that gives stats instead of the better alternatives.
They use pretidigitation (that feat suck, really).
They use padding enchants (black ice, draconic).
They use an epic belt instead of a blue belt that offer more offense. (ideally you want an artifact belt but it's not cheap).
They often use a jewelry set (which is freaking awful).
They usually have 2/2 weapon set. It's not bad but it's a lot of extra stats that you lose when you get the artifact weapon.

And the artifact weapon is bugged and gives 281 less GS than it should.

inthere23 · September 2014

My GS is 19.4k now but I can easily get it over 20k and maybe even 21k by switching from high viz to a combo of Dread Ring/Ily/Black Ice or Draconic and switched in my stat companions which are all purple.

valencay · September 2014

chemboy613 wrote: »

2+2 MC + VT = fail dude. They simply aren't any good that way.

they are good for me, ty for the interest but you should not care.

asterotg · September 2014

If you run with 2+ CWs, the guy with the 2/2 setbonuses has the HV boost with 900 extra power. So he gets a dmg boost. If he is the only CW it is bad for the group dps. He himself will still do fine.

I dont use +stat pets, but some guys did the math and there is, besides the wild hunt rider (maybe skull) not one companion with a better dmg boost than the +300 power pet. Claiming, that ppl with 18k+ GS are doing something wrong is wrong itself, plain and simple. SOME may have bad stats to boost their GS. Most I have seen with really high GS have BIS equp with R 10 radiants, leg. artefacts, weapon, belt and epic companions.

vedran541 · September 2014

HAMSTER, i know

Its full PvP gear and rank 10s. Without campfire or any companions or pots or whatever

Im sure its possible to get higher with using 3x setbonus on rings, neck. And 2x setbonus on weapon and 2x setbonus on armor.
But i would not care too much about that if i were you

Unless you are 10k and struggling to get into dungeons, you might as well cheat a bit on your GS to get geared up properly using 2x set bonuses.

shadevp · September 2014

Prestidigitation on top of the high gear and boons...

pointsman · September 2014

smulch wrote: »

A lot of those CWs are bad players padding a lot of useless stats.

You'll often see those guys in 2 2/4 sets or using the set that gives the highest GS possible (generally corrupted black ice).
They also use all kind of garbage artifacts, notably artifacts that gives regen, defense or deflection, as long as it gives 3 stats that increases GS.
They use companions that gives stats instead of the better alternatives.
They use pretidigitation (that feat suck, really).
They use padding enchants (black ice, draconic).
They use an epic belt instead of a blue belt that offer more offense. (ideally you want an artifact belt but it's not cheap).
They often use a jewelry set (which is freaking awful).
They usually have 2/2 weapon set. It's not bad but it's a lot of extra stats that you lose when you get the artifact weapon.

And the artifact weapon is bugged and gives 281 less GS than it should.

Well the Shore jewelry set seems reasonably decent. +150 Power and +150 Defense is probably something most CWs could use. But yeah I think the Hrimnir set is probably just GS padding at least for CWs.

I have the Corrupted BI set but man that set just gives way too much Life Steal. About 2k if I recall. I would rather use the Draconic set which also gives a lot of lifesteal, just not that much.

pointsman · September 2014

vedran541 wrote: »

HAMSTER, i know

Its full PvP gear and rank 10s. Without campfire or any companions or pots or whatever

Im sure its possible to get higher with using 3x setbonus on rings, neck. And 2x setbonus on weapon and 2x setbonus on armor.
But i would not care too much about that if i were you

Unless you are 10k and struggling to get into dungeons, you might as well cheat a bit on your GS to get geared up properly using 2x set bonuses.

Yeah this is the kind of thing that I DON'T want to do. 20k GS and only 1.2k Recovery? Wow what a waste. That's like having a 20k TR and only 1.2k Crit.

smulch · September 2014

vedran541 wrote: »

HAMSTER, i know

Its full PvP gear and rank 10s. Without campfire or any companions or pots or whatever

Im sure its possible to get higher with using 3x setbonus on rings, neck. And 2x setbonus on weapon and 2x setbonus on armor.
But i would not care too much about that if i were you

Unless you are 10k and struggling to get into dungeons, you might as well cheat a bit on your GS to get geared up properly using 2x set bonuses.

And yet, you'd do a ton less damage than me with my 15.6k gs in a pve group.

smulch · September 2014

valencay wrote: »

they are good for me, ty for the interest but you should not care.

No, they aren't good for anyone. You think it's good because you don't know better.

smulch · September 2014

asterotg wrote: »

If you run with 2+ CWs, the guy with the 2/2 setbonuses has the HV boost with 900 extra power. So he gets a dmg boost. If he is the only CW it is bad for the group dps. He himself will still do fine.

I dont use +stat pets, but some guys did the math and there is, besides the wild hunt rider (maybe skull) not one companion with a better dmg boost than the +300 power pet. Claiming, that ppl with 18k+ GS are doing something wrong is wrong itself, plain and simple. SOME may have bad stats to boost their GS. Most I have seen with really high GS have BIS equp with R 10 radiants, leg. artefacts, weapon, belt and epic companions.

300 power pets are weak. If you have 50% dmg from power, it's only a 1.2% total dps increase

Wild hunt rider is better
Augment pet is better
Erinyes is better
Blink dog is probably better even if you aren't renegade
Intellect devourer might be better, heard it was/could be bugged
Laughing skull is better

I'm probably missing a pet in there that could be a better option too.

berzergera · September 2014

Easy. get 2x on all sets and dont care about setbonuses. just set bonuses that give you pure stats

chemboy613 · September 2014

valencay wrote: »

they are good for me, ty for the interest but you should not care.

It's just showing a lack of understanding of the mechanics of this game. 2+2 is the sign of a bad CW.

beckylunatic · September 2014

smulch wrote: »

They use padding enchants (black ice, draconic)

While you may view these as "padding", I find them extremely useful for boosting power and HP respectively. I simply don't have enough radiants to go around, and can frequently find a spot where the other stats on the enchant aren't wasted. Replacing one azure and one silvery on a character with two black ice enchants is an actual improvement. Some of us have to make do with what we have.

How do CWs get to GS of 16k+?

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